MACEDONIA IS THE NAME!

Pirgoi

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Macedonia is The name of northern GREECE Inhabited Buy Greeks for 3000 years,
You like it or not ILINDOSKILO
VASILIS

Ilinden

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Pirgopulos Lajnopulos.
Subject: Open letter to the world
Why is Macedonia not helped by the world powers?
On August 10, 1913 Macedonia was divided among Serbia, Greece, and
Bulgaria in the Bucharest Treaty. Since then the people of Macedonia
that are living under the Greek and Bulgarian governments have not had a

fair life. These Macedonian people do not have human rights under Greek
and Bulgarian law. Under the laws of these two countries the Macedonians

do not exist as a people. No other world power has stepped forward to
force the Greeks and Bulgarians to grant Macedonians the same rights
that others take for granted. No other world power came to Greece to
stop them from changing the first and last names of the Macedonians into

Greek in 1926. No one came forward to help the Macedonians when their
language was suppressed by the Greeks in 1936. The Macedonians do not
have their own schools, churches, television, radio, etc. in the
Macedonian language. They have no representatives in parliament. They
are persecuted for even speaking Macedonian in their own homes. Even
today, in the 21st century in Aegean Macedonia you are not allowed to
baptise a baby with a Macedonian name. Even today, when somebody dies
they are not allowed to have their cemetary marker written in
Macedonian. Since the Greek occupation of Aegean Macedonia inscriptions
were destroyed or overwritten in churches and icons, and on tombstones
by the Greeks. Nothing was sacred to them or out of bounds. According to

the Greeks everything Macedonian had to be wiped out.
The Greek are always saying "Macedonia, 4000 years Greek". Is this was
true then why did the Greeks delete this name of Macedonia and call the
land they now occupied New Territory in 1913? Later on Macedonia was
renamed Northern Greece and only recently have the Greeks started using
the word Macedonia again. If the Greeks are to be believed that
Macedonia was always theirs then why all the name changes, why stomp on
the Macedonian people? If the Macedonians living in Albania, Greece,
Bulgaria had been given the same human rights as the minorities living
in the Republic of Macedonia have then there would be a great deal more
peace in the Balkans today than ever before.
Even to this day the Greek lobby is working overtime. Take the problem
the Greeks have caused with the United Nations. Macedonia cannot use her

constitutional name "Republic of Macedonia". Macedonia has to use the
name chosen by the U.N. which is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Even now CNN, Reuters, Associated Press and other media do not use
'Macedonians' when writing about the people in the country. The people
are referred to as Slavs. Why is Slavs not used when speaking about
Russians, or Ukrainians, or Croatians, or Serbians, etc. Why, because
the Greeks aren't complaining about these nationalities. Here is a
little education for the media who use the word Slavs in place of
Macedonian. Slav is not a nationality, it is a language. This is true
for Latins such as Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, French and
Romanians. They speak a Latin language, they cannot all be referred to
as Latinos. The majority of the people living in Macedonia are
Macedonians. They should be referred to as such. The Greeks only have a
bone to pick with the Macedonians and this is because the Macedonians
living in Aegean Macedonia are not treated well by the Greek government.

And so the Greeks want to hide this fact from the rest of the world.
But, it is not a secret, people all over the world know about the
atrocities the Greeks have done to the Macedonians.
Only in the Republic of Macedonia are minorities treated with respect.
The Albanians and other minorities living in Macedonia have their own
schools, media, and right to worship in their own language. The
Albanians and other minorities also have representatives in the
government.
Ilinden the Macedonian

June R Harton

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Subject: Open letter to the world

The Fyrom Slavic majority West Bulgarians and no Macedeonia
was ever divided:

Look, the real Macedonia, and I can provide the actual descriptive
texts if you wish to review them:

http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html

http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa3.jpg

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Maps/mapSeq_Map01.html

http://crystalinks.com/mapgreeceancient.gif

The Dardanians, Paeonians, and Illyrians are shown below, and those
are the ancient inhabitants of the Fyrom area....NOT ancient
Macedonians:

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G01/A01/as0106.htm

http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa4.jpg

Please cease pushing the West Bulgarian propaganda of pretending they
are 'Macedonians':

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."

No Macedonia was divided:

European Turkey! Look:

Article 23 of the Berlin Treaty, 1878,
"The Sublime Porte is obliged to carefully implement the Organic Statute in
the island of Crete, introducing changes which would be assessed as
justified.
Analogous statutes adapted to local requirements, with the exception of the
tax exemption approved to Crete, will be equally introduced in the other
parts of European Turkey as well, which are not subject of particular
drawing up in this Treaty. The Sublime Porte is to engage special
commissions, composed to a great extent of local members, which
are to work out the details of the new statutes for each province.
The organization projects to be worked out by the commissions
will be submitted for examination to the Sublime Porte, which in
turn, before passing any of the acts, will request the opinion of the
European commission established for Eastern Rumelia."

And Rumelia from:
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/1/0,5716,66071+1,00.html
For fair use only

ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA

Rumelia

Turkish RUMELI, the former Ottoman possessions in the Balkans. The name
means "land of the Romans"--i.e., Byzantines. The Turks first began to make
conquests in the Balkans in the mid-14th century. The land was divided into
fiefs of various size that were administered by cavalry officers; local
notables who converted to Islam also shared in the administration. The
administrative configuration of Rumelia changed frequently until 1864, when
the unit of administrative division became defined as the province, or
vilayet, which was in turn divided into sancak (subprovinces). The Danube
vilayet was formed first, in 1864, followed by those of Janina (Ioannina)
and Salonika (Thessaloníki, in Greece) in 1867. Under the Treaty of Berlin
(1878), the Danube vilayet formed the independent state of Bulgaria under
Ottoman suzerainty; southern Bulgaria formed the autonomous province of
Eastern Rumelia with its capital at Philippopoli (Plovdiv); and western
Rumelia was divided into the Edirne, Salonika, and Monastir ils (provinces).
In 1885 Bulgaria annexed Eastern Rumelia, and by the Treaty of Bucharest
(1913), Monastir was ceded to Serbia and Salonika to Greece; only Edirne
remained under Ottoman rule.
In the 15th and 16th centuries Rumelia functioned as a reservoir of the
devsirme (levy of Christian boys), who held the highest posts in the
Ottoman army and government. Rumelia was also a centre of Ottoman Islamic
culture, which flourished in the religious schools (medreses) and mosques in
Üsküb, Istip (Stip), Prizren, Pristina, Monastir, and Edirne. Islamic mystic
brotherhoods found large followings in Bulgaria, Albania,
and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

The Greeks deleted the word
> Macedonia in 1913 and they named it New Territory. Later on Northern
> Greece and they only recently revived the name Macedonia.
> Ilinden the Macedonian

The false propaganda that you repeat above is part of the
Fyromian scam. It is completely false. When the Ottoman Turks
were driven out of the real area of ancient Macedonia by the
Macedonian and other Greeks in 1912/13 the area was called
Macedonia by the Greeks and all of the world from that time.

Greece formed the Directorate of Macedonia in 1913, the first
official use of the name Macedonia in the territory of Macedonia
since the disappearance of the Roman diocese.

http://truth.macedonia.gr/maps.html

"After the violent turmoil of the Balkan Wars, all was peaceful and quiet,
at least according to the report District Director of Langadhas had sent to
the prefect of Thessaloniki. And yet that same year (1914), the Ottoman
General Consulate of Salonika was protesting to the GOVERNOR GENERAL OF
MACEDONIA that a number of atrocities had been
committed against Muslims in the Langadhas district." pp.164

Anastasia N. Karakasidou, "Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood", Chicago, 1997

For those interested in historical details, the name of the first Governor
of Macedonia was Constantinos Raktivan who was placed in office by the Greek
gvt. in 1913.

http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/doc4.html

http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/doc9.html

http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/doc23.html

from: Spirit of Truth

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!

June R Harton

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The Fyrom Slavic majority are simply West Bulgarians and no Macedeonia

Bucephalus

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The mongol-slav is too scared to read the literature provided to him, as he
knows the truth hurts.

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Pirgoi

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STOP THE GARBAGE LINDEN

Dirty Harry

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> "Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3DA353D1...@sympatico.ca...
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>
> Subject: Open letter to the world
>
> The Fyrom Slavic majority are simply West Bulgarians and no Macedeonia
> was ever divided:

Open letter to the fictional world of the Grkomans:

I am on the committee that is building a new Macedonian Orthodox
Church in our area. Since my grandfather was instrumental in starting
the church (he brought our first priest here) I want our new facility
to have a "history room" which documents the families which have been
memebers over the years and where they are originally from. (50% of
the founding families were from Aegean Macedonia--their decendants,
however, suddenly became synthetic Greeks).

History will be documented and preserved for all to see. I will
personally donate the money to see to it.

Have a nice day.

demis

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Dirty Harry stop calling Aegean Macedonia the real Greek Macedonia and do
NOT SUPPORT some Greeks numbered on the finger of the one palm, that speaks
about Slavic dialect, etc.
You people must be very ignorant to claim 2,500,000 people (2 times more
than your country and if you take off the Albanians 500000 people PURE
BULGARIANS) for 5 people and one church------INSANE.
GET A LIFE bulgarski.

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Dorian West

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The fact that you will donate money to this lost cause gladdens my heart,
for it is truly necessary for idiots like you to exist so that people like
me can make money and live like kings at the expense of the gullible people
of your ilk.

I believe they did a survey in Macedonia and found 4,951 Mongolslavs there.
I suppose by your commie, atheist logic Macedonia belongs to these 4,951
triangle-headed Mongoloids.

When I went to Macedonia I didn't see and triangle-headed Mongoloids there.
Cross the border into FYROM and it hits you like a train - stumpy,
slit-eyed, Mongoloids that wannabe Macedonians. There is truly nothing more
pathetic and ludicrous.

BTW, why is a bunch of Asiatic atheists building a church? What do you know
of The Bible and the teachings of Christ? You're all basically dumb and
illiterate.

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George S. Tsapanos

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the DIRTY SKOPIAN wrote:

>Open letter to the fictional world of the Grkomans:
>>I am on the committee that is building a new Macedonian Orthodox
>Church in our area. Since my grandfather was instrumental in starting
>the church (he brought our first priest here) I want our new facility
>to have a "history room" which documents the families which have been
>memebers over the years and where they are originally from. (50% of
>the founding families were from Aegean Macedonia--their decendants,
>however, suddenly became synthetic Greeks).
>>History will be documented and preserved for all to see. I will

>personally donate the money to see to it..

DIRTY SKOPIAN
When your grandfather brought your first priest in here there was not and there
is not a "Makedonian" Church, so cut the idiocies and the bull-shit in here.
Second, those 50% of the Makedonians are trying to send you a message that they
were and are Hellenes, not like you who are a SLAVOBULGAR.
So.........cut the stupidities in here, and don't be ashamed to call yourself
by its REAL name.
Makedonian you were not and Makedonian you will be not.
Now......go and talk to Ilin-Den and his grandfather's ass in that mickey-mouse
language of yours and leave us alone to talk in the language of Phillip,
Alexander and Aristotelis.

Regards to all ..................L.
"Vlachs, The Autochthonous
Of the Hellenic Peninsula".

Yannis

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"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> History will be documented and preserved for all to see. I will
> personally donate the money to see to it.
> Have a nice day.

Bravo Piss!
Then ask them when their ancestors started to speak Slav and if you dare tell us
the answer !
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

Pirgoi

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Macedonia (historic region)

Macedonia is a historic region on the Balkan Peninsula of southeastern Europe.
It covers all of a country that is also called Macedonia, plus parts of
northern Greece and southwestern Bulgaria. The country of Macedonia has an area
of 9,928 square miles (25,713 square kilometers). Greek Macedonia covers 13,206
square miles (34,203 square kilometers), and Bulgarian Macedonia 2,502 square
miles (6,480 square kilometers). The region of Macedonia became powerful in
ancient times, when Macedonian leader Alexander the Great conquered much of
Asia and spread Macedonian and Greek culture throughout his empire.

The earliest known settlements in what is now Macedonia were villages
established about 6200 B.C. Many different peoples settled in the region over
the next several thousand years. The people living there eventually came to be
known as Macedones, and the region as Macedonia. The name Macedones comes from
the Greek word makednon, meaning high—a reference to the group's mountainous
homeland.

The first known rulers of the Macedonians were members of the Argead dynasty
(family of rulers), founded by King Perdiccas I about 650 B.C. During the 500's
and 400's B.C., the Argeads expanded Macedonian rule into nearby regions.

King Philip II, an Argead, continued this expansion and eventually invaded
central Greece. By 338 B.C., Philip controlled all of Greece. With these
acquisitions, Macedonia gained valuable natural resources.

Philip was assassinated in 336. His son, Alexander, became king. Crowned King
Alexander III, Philip's son became known as Alexander the Great. Alexander
conquered the Persian Empire, which stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to
India. The arts flourished under Alexander's rule. Macedonia also became
extremely wealthy after acquiring the riches of the defeated Persian Empire.

Alexander died in 323 B.C., without leaving a strong successor. Political unity
soon collapsed, as Macedonia's army generals divided up the empire.

Macedonia became a Roman province in the 140's B.C. When the Roman Empire split
apart in A.D. 395, Macedonia remained part of the East Roman, or Byzantine,
Empire. In the A.D. 500's, Slavs from eastern Europe raided, and settled in,
Macedonian towns. Bulgars from central Asia conquered Macedonia in the late
800's. In 1018, the Byzantine Empire regained control. The region came under
Serbian rule in the early 1300's. But in 1371, the Ottoman Empire conquered the
region. Macedonia remained part of the Ottoman Empire for more than 500 years.

By the late 1800's, the Ottoman Empire had begun to collapse. In 1878, Bulgaria
controlled Macedonia briefly. But most of Macedonia was returned to Ottoman
rule that same year.

At the end of the Second Balkan War (1913), Macedonia was divided among Serbia,
Greece, and Bulgaria. Serbian Macedonia became the Yugoslav republic of
Macedonia in 1946. The republic became an independent country in 1991.

Dirty Harry

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> The mongol-slav is too scared to read the literature provided to him, as he
> knows the truth hurts.

The grkoman, the descendant of TRAITORS who SOLD OUT their name and
heritage, adopts the revisionist history taught to him by his
occupiers.

You are not a Macedonian, you are a Greek.

We are the only Macedonians.

Have a nice day.

Yannis

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Oct 9, 2002, 1:26:44 PM10/9/02

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"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You are not a Macedonian, you are a Greek.

Macedonians were always Greeks

> We are the only Macedonians.
> Have a nice day.

You are just SlavoSkopians, ex Bugaris, ie Bulgarian renegades.
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

Ilinden

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Oct 9, 2002, 6:48:02 PM10/9/02

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Pirgopulos up your pipe..

Pirgoi wrote:

> STOP THE GARBAGE LINDEN

Dirty Harry

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No, Grkoman. We are from the Republic of Macedonia, you are not. You
are from an area loosely known as the province of Macedonia in Greece.
Therefore you are Macedonian nothing, you are Greek. Calling
yourself a Macedonian is as silly as someone from Detroit calling
themselves a Michaganian. I, on the other hand, am an ethnic
Macedonian from the Macedonian motherland where the indigenous
population is free to celebrate Macedonian customs, free to worship in
Macedonian churches, and learns the mother tongue in Macedonian
schools. I am a Macedonian--You are not.

Have a nice day.

June R Harton

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> I am on the committee that is building a new Macedonian Orthodox
> Church in our area.

Bwahahhahahhahhahahhahhahhahhaha

A self-committed atheist building a schismatic Church originally set up
by the commie-atheist Tito West Bulgarians who are falsely calling
themselves 'Macedonians' !

You are a riot, Bulgarian!

June R Harton

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> Macedonia (historic region)
> Macedonia is a historic region on the Balkan Peninsula of southeastern
Europe.
> It covers all of a country that is also called Macedonia, plus parts of
> northern Greece and southwestern Bulgaria. The country of Macedonia has an
area
> of 9,928 square miles (25,713 square kilometers). Greek Macedonia covers
13,206
> square miles (34,203 square kilometers), and Bulgarian Macedonia 2,502
square
> miles (6,480 square kilometers).

Ah, but that is all incorrect data probably planted by a West Bulgarian from
fyrom pretending that Fyrom has something to do with real Macedonia,
which, of course, it doesn't.

Here, the real Macedonia and I can provide the actual descriptive

texts if you wish to review them:

http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html

http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa3.jpg

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Maps/mapSeq_Map01.html

http://crystalinks.com/mapgreeceancient.gif

The Dardanians, Paeonians, and Illyrians are shown below, and those
are the ancient inhabitants of the Fyrom area....NOT ancient
Macedonians:

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G01/A01/as0106.htm

http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa4.jpg

So, neither do they have connection to real Macedonian Greeks nor
the real Macedonia in northern Greece. Any nonsense you read from
anywhere to the contrary is simply that.

June R Harton

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Oct 10, 2002, 1:45:41 AM10/10/02

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> Macedonia (historic region)

Here's some sites for you:

http://www.hri.org/docs/macque/

http://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~conster/

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/FAQ.html#Q1

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Maps/mapSeq_Map01.html

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/en/img_D16a.html

http://www.abest.com/~angelos/macfaq.html

http://www.abest.com/~angelos/history.html

http://www.abest.com/~angelos/affair.html#his1

http://www.forthnet.gr/EAAN/martis.htm

http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/index.html

http://www.anemos.com/Diaspora/macedonia/Macedonia_Index.html

http://www.anemos.com/Diaspora/macedonia/Macedonia_FAQ.html

from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!

.....The heart of Macedonia was always Greek

June R Harton

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Oct 10, 2002, 1:48:38 AM10/10/02

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> You are not a Macedonian, you are a Greek.
> We are the only Macedonians.

Bwahahahhahhahahhahhahhahhahahhahhahhahhahhaaha

We know exactly what kind of Macedonian you are Bulgarian:

The Name Macedonians

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."

from: Spirit of Truth

June R Harton

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>I, on the other hand, am an ethnic Macedonian

Bwahhahahhahhahhahhahhhahhahhahhahhahhahhhahaha

Here, folks, see just what type of 'Macedonian' that Bulgarian poster
really is:

http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."

from: Spirit of Truth

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Dirty Harry wrote:

> "June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:<Ww8p9.396$Bx6.22...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
> >

> > nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
> > mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
> > kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
>
> Amazing for a supposed "Greek" to have knowledge in a foreign tongue .......

Actually, he has no knowledge of either Greek or Macedonian or Bulgarian. He only knows English. He spams this stuff
from Bulgarian and Greek websites.

>
>
> Have a nice day.

Yannis

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Macedonians were always Greeks and never Slav or Slav speaking people. Calling
me Macedonian is like to call some one Bavarian in the meaning of German. Would
any German allow any Czech be named Bavarian?
If you really want to be Macedonian there is only one way: Act as a Macedonian
that is speak Greek and spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. The
mother tongue of Macedonians was always Greek.
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

Yannis

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"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:...

Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms, ways, heroes, gods, dialect, words
and spread Greek Language and Civilization to the world. Macedonians were always
Greeks.
Dear SlavoSkopians
If you really are Macedonians, descendants of Alexander the Great and his
fellows then please do what they did: Speak Greek Language and follow Greek
Civilization and join us to spread them to all the World.
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

Yannis

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"++" <arch...@erols.com> wrote:
> Actually, he has no knowledge of either Greek or Macedonian or Bulgarian. He
only knows English.
> He spams this stuff from Bulgarian and Greek websites.

Give a chance to you Galina. The truth is not a matter of mother tongue or the
language you speak. Otherwise there would be no chance for you to be liberated
from Tito-Kolishefskian propaganda.
The truth is not only in Greek. But so far it has not been written in
SlavoSkopian !!
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

WolfWolf

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Ilinden, did you know that in the 1970s Bulgaria forced her Turkish minority
(about 2 million) to change their names - or to emigrate?
Most of them emigrated to Turkey.
This year, the Bulgarian government has publicly apologized for the
injustice, has restablished minority rights for the remaining Turks and has
given guarantee for recovering lost property.
When will EU member Greece follow Bulgarian's example and stop her barbaric
policy of oppression?
Isn't it time for demanding - and enforcing - justice???

WolfWolf
The European

"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

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> Jovanche here are the original Macedonian names.
> THE NAMES OF 804 MACEDONIAN VILLAGES IN AEGEAN
> MACEDONIA,
> occupied by Greece in 1912, that have forcedly been changed from 1926
> and
> forward.
> Submitted by Lena Jankovski and Alex Bakratcheff
>
> Following the 1913 Treatry of Bucharest, the Macedonian place names
> that existed
> were gradually changed to Greek named, this included people's family
> and given
> names, and was called Hellenization.
> 1927 Greek Government Legislative Edict
> The Greek Government Gazette declared that "there are not any
> non-Greek people
> in Greece". This was part of a process whereby all the names of
> Macedonian
> villages, towns, regions, etc. were changed, together with the
> surnames of ethnic
> Macedonians, into Greek versions.
> 1934-1941 Military Dictatorship in Greece
> At its height, the Facists regime prohibits the speaking of
> Macedonian.
>
>
> MACEDONIAN NAME (District) Greek changed name
> --------------------------
> -------------------------
>
> Agova mahala (Ser) Adelfikon
> Ahil (Kostur)
> Agios Ahileos
> Aivatovo (Solun) Liti
> Ajtos Lerin)
> Aetos
> Akandzhaly (Kukush) Muries
> Alchak (Kukush) Hamilon
> Alistrat (Ser)
> Alistrati
> Apidija (Ser)
> Aposkep (Kostur) Aposkepos
> Arapli (Solun) Lehanokipos
> Armensko (Lerin) Alonas
> Arsen (Voden) Poliplatanon
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Babakjoj (Kukush) Mesja
> Babchor (Kostur) Pimenikon
> Baldzha (Solun) Melisohorion
> Banitza (Lerin) Vevi
> Banitza (Ser) Karie
> Barakli Dzhumaja (Ser) Valteron
> Barovitza (Kukush) Kastaneri
> Bejlik mahale (Ser) Valtotopi
> Bela Tzarkva (Kostur)
> Bel Kamen (Lerin) Drosopigi
> Belotintzi (Drama) Levkoija
> Ber (Solun) Veria (Imatja)
> Berishcha Ptelea
> Besvina (Kostur) Sfika
> Biraltzi (Kozhany) Perdikas
> Bitushe Parorion
> Bizovo Megaloplatanos
> Blatza (Kostur) Oksies
> Blatze Ahladia
> Bobishcha (Kostur) Vergas
> Boevo Katsanovo
> Bogatsko (Kostur) Agios Nikolaos
> Bojmitza (Kukush) Aksiupolis
> Boreshnitza Palestra
> Boriany Agios Atanasios
> Borislav Periklia
> Borovo Potami
> Bostandzievtzi (Kostur)
> Bozhetz (Voden) Atiras
> Brest (Kukush) Akrolimnion
> Breshcheny (Kostur) Kria Nera
> Breznitza (Kostur) Vatohorion
> Bruhovo Kokina Egri
> Buf Akrita
> Buf (Lerin) Bufi
> Bugarievo (Solum) Karavias
> Buk Paranestion
> Bukovik (Kostur) Oksia
> Bulamasli Akakies
> Bultishta Profitis Ilias
> Bumboki (Kostur) Makrohori
> Butkovo Kerkini
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Chavdar Psomotopi
> Chegan (Lerin) Meteora
> Chegan (Voden) Agios Atanasios
> Chekri (Voden) Paralimni
> Cherepljan (Ser) Tserepljani
> Chereshnitza (Kostur) Polikerason
> Chereshovo (Drama) Tisavros
> Chereshovo Pagoneri
> Cherkezkjoi (Lerin) Limnohori
> Cherkovian Klidohor
> Cherna reka (Kukush) Karpi
> Chernak Strotis
> Chernova Fitia
> Chernovishcha (Kostur) Mavrokampos
> Chetirok (Kostur) Mesopotamja
> Chichigaz (Voden) Stavrodromi
> Chiflik(Radogozhe)(Kostur) Triha
> Chirpishcha (Ser) Terpni
> Chor (Kozhany) Galatija
> Chuchuligovo (Ser) Anagenizis
> Chuguntzi (Kukush) Megali Sterna
> Chuka (Kostur) Puka
> Churilovo (Kostur) Tsirilovon
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Dabovo (Kukush) Valtotopi
> Dambeni (Kostur) Dendrohori
> Darovo Kehrokampos
> Dautli (Kukush) Ambelohori
> Debretz (Kozhany) Anarahi
> Demir Hisar (Ser) Sidirokastron (Sintiki)
> Dere Kalitea
> Dervent Akritodohori
> Dobrolishcha (Kostur) Kalohori
> Doksat (Drama) Doksaton
> Doleny (Kostur) Zevgostasi
> Dolni Poroj (Ser) Kato Poroja
> Dolno Drenoveny (Kostur) Kato Kranionas
> Dolno Garbali Kato Surmena
> Dolno Kalenik (Lerin) Kato Kaleniki
> Dolno Kleshtino Kato Klene
> Dolno Kotori (Lerin) Kato Idrusa
> Dolno Krushevo (Ser) Kato Kerdilion
> Dolno Kufalovo (Solun) Kufalja
> Dolno Nevoljani (Lerin) Valtonera
> Dolno Papratsko (Kostur) Kato Fterias
> Dolno Rodivo Kato Korifi
> Dovishta (Ser) Papas Emanuil
> Drachevo Levkotea
> Dragomantzi Apsalos
> Dragomir Vapsiohori
> Dragosh Zevgolatio
> Dragotin (Ser) Promahon
> DRAMA DRAMA
> Dramendzhik Drakontion
> Dranich Antifilipi
> Dranichevo (Kostur)
> Dravunishta Geraki
> Dremiglava Drimos
> Drenichevo (Kostur) Kranohori
> Drenoveny (Kostur) Kranionas
> Drenovo (Kostur) Glikoneri
> Drenovo (Ser) Dranovan
> Drenovo Monastiraki
> Dreveno Pili
> Drobishcha (Kostur) Daseri
> Druska Drosia
> Dudular (Solun) Djavata
> Dupjak (Kostur) Dispilion
> Durbanli (Kukush) Sinoron
> Durdanli (Kukush) Patohori
> Durgutli Nigdi
> Dutli Eleon
> Dzhuma (Kozhany) Amigdala
> Dzuma Migdala
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Egri Dere (Drama) Kalitea
> Ehatli Kavalaris
> Ekshi-su (Lerin) Ksino Nero
> Eleovo (Kostur) Lakia
> Eleshnitza (Ser) Fea Pitra
> Elshen (Ser) Karperi
> Embore (Kozhany) Enborion
> Enidzhe-Vardar (Voden) Janitza
> Enikjoi (Ser) Provatas
> Ezeretz (Kostur) Petropulaki
> Ezhovo (Ser) Dafni
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Fetishcha Pola Nera
> Fotinishcha (Kostur) Fotini
> Fotovishcha Valtohoro
> Frankovitza Ermakia
> Futzeli Semeli
> Fustani Evropos
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Gabresh (Kostur) Gavros
> Galishcha (Kostur) Omorfoklisia
> Garbasel Kastanies
> Gariptzi Hloronomos
> Garleni (Kostur) Hionaton
> Gaskarla Kalohori
> Gavalantsi (Kukush) Valtudi
> Gavrishcha Dorotea
> Gedi-Dermen Eptomili
> Georgolik (Kukush) Gorgopi
> Gerakartzi (Kukush) Gerakonos
> German (Ser) Shistolitos
> Gevsekli Rematia
> Gjulobasi Pikrolimni
> Gjumendzhe (Kukush) Gumenitza (Peonija)
> Gjumenich Stiva
> Gjundzheli Vamvakuza
> Gjupchevo Gipsohori
> Gjuredzhik (Drama) Granitis
> Gjuvezna Asiros
> Globoshchitza Kalohorio
> Gola Korifes
> Golem Besik Megali Volvi
> Golem Sevidrik Megalokampos
> Golema Livada (Voden) Megala Livadija
> Golishani (Voden) Levkadia
> Golo selo (Voden) Gimna
> Gorentzi (Kostur) Korisos
> Gorjantzi (Drama)
> Gorna Nushka Ano Dafnudi
> Gorni Kotor (Lerin) Ano Idrusa
> Gorni Metoh (Ser)
> Gorni Poroj (Ser) Ano Poroja
> Gorni Postular Ano Apostoli
> Gornitza Kalivrisi
> Gornichevo (Lerin) Keli
> Gorno Brodi (Ser) Ano Vrondu
> Gorno Drenoveny (Kostur) Ano Kranionas
> Gorno Garbali Ano Surmena
> Gorno Karadzhovo (Ser) Monoklisia
> Gorno Klestino Ano Klene
> Gorno Krushare Ekso Asladohori
> Gorno Krushovo (Ser) Ano Kerdilion
> Gorno Kufalovo (Solun) Kuflja
> Gorno Kumanichevo (Kostur)
> Gorno Nevoljani (Lerin) Skopja
> Gorno Papratsko (Kostur) Ano Fterias
> Gorno Pozharsko (Voden) Ano Lutraki
> Gorno Rodivo (Voden) Ano Korifi
> Gorno Selo Ano Vermion
> Gosno (Kostur)
> Govlishta Krokos
> Gradishte Kiros
> Gradobor (Solun) Gradeboin
> Gradobor Nikopolis
> Grache (Kostur) Ftelia
> Gramos (Kostur) Gramos
> Granichevo Krioneri
> Grazhden Vronteron
> Grazhdino (Kostur) Vronderon
> Gropino Voltolivado
> Gugovo (Voden) Viritja
> Gulintzi (Lerin) Rodonas
> Gurbesh Agriosikia
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Hadzhi-bejlik Vironia
> Hadzhi-bajramli Teodosia
> Hadzhik Filiros
> Hajderli (Kozhany) Klitos
> Harava Polikilon
> Harbino (Kozhany) Ftelionas
> Harman-kjoi Stadmos
> Harsovo Herson
> Hasanovo (Lerin) Mesohori
> Haznatar Hrizohorafa
> Hedzik Fikiros
> Hodzhovo Karidia
> Holeva Amision
> Homandos (Ser)
> Hristos (Ser) Hristos
> Hrupishcha (Kostur) Argos Orestikon
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Ilezli Inoi
> Ilidzhievo (Solun)
> Indzes Eratni
> Ineli (Kozhany) Anatolikon
> Ineovo Avrini
> Ishirli Platanotopos
> Istrane Perasma
> Izbishcha (Drama) Agriokerasia
> Izglibe (Kostur) Poria
> Izvor (Kukush) Pigi
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Jadzilar Ksilokeratia
> Janchishcha (Solun) Janisa
> Janes Metaliko
> Janikia Askos
> Janovene (Kostur) Janohori
> Janozli Karpofonom
> Jaramzli Ajdonia
> Javor Diamezon
> Javoreny (Voden) Platani
> Javornitza Nea Kuklina
> Juklemes (Kozhany) Farangi
> Jundzhular Kimina
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Kabasnitza (Lerin) Proti
> Kadinovo (Voden) Galatas
> Kajachaly Triadi
> Kajali Vrahia
> Kajljari (Kozhany) Ptolemajs (Eordeja)
> Kalapot (Drama) Paleon Kalapoti
> Kalenik (Lerin)
> Kalevishcha (Kostur) Kali Vrisi
> Kalinovo (Kukush) Sutojaneika
> Kaljany Eani
> Kamareto (Ser) Kamaroti
> Kamenik Petrias
> Kamila (Ser) Ano Kamili
> Kandza Aniksia
> Kapinjany Eksaplatanos
> Kara-bej Karna
> Kara-bunar (Kukush) Mavroneri
> Kara-bunar (Solun) Angelofrori
> Kara-bunar (Kozhany) Mavropigi
> Kara-Chali (Solun) Mavrodendri
> Kara-Chali (Drama) Mavrovatos
> Kara-Chali (Ser) Kaliroj
> Kara-chukali Kardia
> Karadzha Evangelizmos
> Karadzha-kjoi (Solun) Kartera
> Karadzha-kjoi (Drama) Tolos
> Karadzhova Elafohori
> Karagatz Mavrodendri
> Kara-ilar Drepanon
> Kara-kjoj Kalegiri
> Kara-kjoj (Drama) Katafiton
> Kara-mahala Koronia
> Karamanli Agios Kozmos
> Karandzhilari Zarkadia
> Kara-sule (Kukush) Polikastron
> Kara-tepe Mavrolofos
> Karchishta Polianemon
> Karchovo Koridohori
> Kardzhalar Adendron
> Karilova Zardadion
> Karladovo Milias
> Karlakovo Mikropolis
> Karli-kjoi (Ser) Hionohoron
> Karpeny (Kostur)
> Katranitza (Kozhany) Pirgi
> Katun Dipotama
> Kavadzhik Levkadi
> Kavakli (Drama) Egiros
> Kavakli (Kukush) Perintos
> Kavakli (Ser) Levkonas
> KAVALA KAVALA
> Kazanovo Kotili
> Kesedzhi Chiflik (Ser) Sidirohorion
> Kiklova Kastanies
> Kirech-kjoi (Solun) Azevstohorion
> Kjospekli (Ser) Skutari
> Klabuchishta Poliplatanos
> Kladorobi (Lerin) Kladorahi
> Klepushna (Ser) Agriani
> Klishali Prositis
> Klisura (Kostur) Klisura
> Kobalishte (Drama) Kokinoja
> Kochan Rizana
> Kochana Perea
> Kochany Kostani
> Kokova Polidendri
> Kolaritza Manjaki
> Kolibi (Kukush) Skinite
> Komarjan Kimaria
> Komen (Kozhany) Komanos
> Kondorbi (Kostur)
> Konitza Pevki
> Konikovo Stiba
> Konomlady (Kostur) Makrohori
> Konsko Talakini
> Konuj (Kozhany) Elos
> Korchak Mirini
> Koriten (Kukush) Ksirohori
> Kormishta (Ser) Kormista
> Kornishor (Voden) Kromni
> Kosinetz (Kostur) Jeropigi
> Kosinovo Polipetron
> KOSTUR KASTORIA
> Kosturadzhe (Kostur) Ksifonia
> KOZHANY KOZANY
> Kozhusany Filotia
> Kozlukjoi (Kozhany) Kariohori
> Kramtza Mezovunos
> Kranishta Dendrari
> Krastali Korona
> Krechovo Agios Jorgios
> Krepeshino (Lerin) Atrapos
> Kriva (Kukush) Grivas
> Krontzelevo (Voden) Kerasies
> Krushari Ampelies
> Krushoradi (Lerin) Ahlada
> Krushovo (Ser) Ahladohorion
> Kuchkari Galini
> Kuchkoveny (Lerin) Perazma
> KUKUSH KILKIS
> Kula Paleokastron
> Kulakija Halastra
> Kumanich (Drama) Dasaton
> Kumanichevo (Kostur) Litia
> Kumli (Ser) Amudja
> Kurchishcha (Kostur) Polianemon
> Kurchovo (Ser) Karidohori (Liebra)
> Kushinovo (Kukush) Polipetron
> Kushovo Kokina
> Kutlesh Vergina
> Kula Paleokastron
> Kutuger Halastra
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Labanitza (Kostur) Agios Dimitrios
> Ladza Terma
> Lanki Mikrolimni
> Lagino (Lerin) Triandafilia
> Lagadina (Solun) Litokastron (Langadas)
> Lakavigtza Mikromilia
> Langa (Kozhany) Milohori
> Latrovo Hortero
> Lazheny (Lerin) Mesonisi
> Lebishevo (Kostur) Aila
> Lehovo (Ser) Krasohori
> Lelovo (Kukush) Agios Antonios
> Lembed Evkarpia
> LERIN FLORINA
> Leskovetz (Lerin) Leptokaries
> Leskovo Tria Elata
> Lestan Farasinon
> Leveny Vasiludi
> Liban Skaloti
> Libanovo Eginion
> Libjahovo (Drama)
> Lichishta (Kostur) Polikarpos
> Likovan Ksilopolis
> Likovishta Likojani
> Lipintzi (Kozhany) Azvestopetra
> Lipush (Ser) Filira
> Lise Ohiron
> Ljubetino (Lerin) Pedinon
> Ljumnitza Skra
> Loshnitza (Kostur) Germas
> Lovcha (Drama) Kalikarpon
> Lovcha (Ser) Akrohori
> Lozanovo Palefiton
> Lozitza Mezolofos
> Ludovo (Kostur) Kria Nera
> Luguntzi (Voden) Langadia
> Lukovich Sotira
> Lunki (Kostur) Mikro Limno
> Luvrade (Kostur) Skieron
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Machukovo (Kukush) Evzoni
> Mahala (Lerin) Tropeuhos
> Mahaledzik Milorema
> Malak Besik Mikra Volvi
> Malesh (Ser) Vamvakja
> Malko-Osmanli Kosmiti
> Malovtzi Hilioluston
> Mangila (Mogila) (Kostur) Ano Perivoli
> Manjak (Kostur) Manjaki
> Marchishcha (Kostur) Kato Perivoli
> Markoveny (Kostur) Markohori
> Mavrovo (Solun) Mavruda
> Mavrovo (Kostur) Mavrohori
> Mech Mezi
> Medovo (Kostur) Milionas
> Melnikich (Ser) Melenikitzion
> Menteseli Eli
> Mentesli Moshuia
> Merjan Ligaria
> Mertatevo Ksirotopos
> Mesely Drias
> Mesimer (Voden) Mesimeri
> Mezdurek Melisurgio
> Mijalovo (Kukush) Mihalitzi
> Milovo Megali Gefira
> Mirovo Eliniko
> Mokreny (Kostur) Variko
> Mokro Polikrinos
> Morafca Antigonia
> Morartzi (Kukush)
> Mramor Kapetanudi
> Mrsna Gonimon
> Munchino Lekani
> Munuhy Mavrotalasa
> Muralar Pelagros
> Muralti Skopos
> Murodonli Mirovliton
> Mursali Monokaridia
> Musacali Aetofolia
> Muselim Aedonokastron
> Muska Kudunia
> Mutulovo Metaksohori
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Negochany Niri
> Negovan (Lerin) Flamburion
> Negush Nausa
> Nered (Lerin) Polipotamon
> Nesram (Nestram)(Kostur) Nestorion
> Nestime (Kostur) Nastimon
> Neukazy (Lerin) Neohoraki
> Neveska (Lerin) Nimfeon
> Nevoleny (Lerin) Skopia
> Nevoleny Vamvaria
> Nigoslav Nikoklia
> Nigrita (Ser) Nigrita (Visaltija)
> Nisia (Voden) Nision
> Nivitza (Kostur) Psarades
> Novi Grad (Lerin) Ve Gora
> Novoseltzi Joromilos
> Novo Selo (Kostur) Korfula
> Novo Selo (Solun) Nehorion
> Novo Selo (Solun) Neohoruda
> Novoseljany (Kostur) Nea Komi
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Obor Aravizos
> Obsirena Etnikon
> Oktzilar Toksote
> Oladzhak Platamon
> Olishcha (Kostur) Melisotopos
> Omotzko (Kostur) Livadotopos
> Opaja (Kostur) Opaja
> Orchovitza Pevkodazos
> Organdzhi (Drama) Organzi
> Organdzilar Sapeon
> Orizartzi (Kukush) Rizia
> Orizari (Voden) Rizarion (Rizo)
> Orljak (Ser) Strimonikon
> Orman (Kostur) Kato-Levki
> Ormanli (Drama) Polikarpos
> Ormanli (Ser) Dasohori
> Ormanovo Dasero
> Orovnik (Kostur) Karie
> Orovo (Kostur) Piksos
> Osheny (Kostur) Inoi
> Oshchima (Kostur) Trigonon
> Osin Argangelos
> Osljani Agios Fotini
> Oslovo Panagitza
> Osmanitza Kalos Agros
> Osmanli (Pravishta) Hrisokastron
> Osmanli (Haldiki) Neromilos
> Osnichani (Kostur) Kastanofiton
> Ostitza Mikromilia
> Ostima Trigonon
> Ostrovo (Voden) Arnisa
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Palior (Kozhany) Fufa
> Palmes Kastanusa
> Papdia (Lerin) Papagja
> Papli (Kostur) Levkonas
> Paprat Pontokerasia
> Pastrovo Kalikrunon
> Patele (Lerin) Agios Panteleimon
> Patele Pontokerasia
> Patichino Patima
> Pataros (Kukush) Drosaton
> Pazarlar Agora
> Pazarli (Haldiki) Dikorfon
> Pazarli (Kukush) Melansion
> Pejkovo Agios Markoc
> Pejzanovo (Solun) Azevstohorion
> Pelkati Monopili
> Pernovali Agia Ekaterini
> Pesjak (Kostur) Amudara
> Pesochnitza (Lerin) Amohorion
> Petersko (Lerin) Petras
> Petgas (Kukush) Pentalofos
> Petoritza Hrizohori
> Petrovo (Kukush) Agios Petros
> Pilkadi (Kostur) Monopilon
> Pilorik (Voden) Pilorigi
> Piskopija (Voden) Episkopi
> Pisoder (Kostur) Pisoderion
> Planitza Fiska
> Plashnichevo Kria Vrisi
> Pleshevitza (Lerin) Kolhiki
> Plevna (Drama) Petrusa
> Plugar (Voden) Ludias
> Pochep (Voden) Margarita
> Pod (Voden) Podos
> Podgorjany Podohorion
> Poljany Polikarpi
> Ponor (Kozhany)
> Popli (Lerin) Lefkonas
> Popolzhany (Lerin) Papajanis
> Popovo (Kukush) Miriofiton
> Porna Gazoros
> Postol (Voden) Pela (Agio Apostoli)
> Potores Agia Kiriaki
> Pozdivishcha (Kostur) Halara
> Pozhari (Solun) Kefalohori
> Prahna Aspro
> Pravishte (Kavala) Elefteropolis (Pamgeon)
> Prebadishte Sosandra
> Prekopana (Kostur)
> Prekopana (Lerin) Perikopi
> Presechen (Drama) Protzani
> Pribojna Vunohoron
> Prosenik (Ser) Skotusa
> Prosochen Pirsopolis
> Provishta Palekomi
> Pselsko Kipseli
> Psore (Kostur) Ipsilon
> Puljovo Termopigi
> Purlida Konhilia
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Radigoze Agia Ana
> Radomir (Kukush) Asvestario
> Radovishta Rodjani
> Radovo Haropo
> Radunishta (Kozhany) Krio Vrisi
> Ragjan Vati
> Rahmanli (Kukush) Antigoni
> Rahmanli (Lerin) Eleuza
> Rahmanli (Kozhany) Galina
> Rahovitza Marmaras
> Rahovo (Solun) Rahia
> Rahovo (Drama) Mezorahi
> Rajkovche (Ser) Kapnotopos
> Rakistan Katahloron
> Rakita (Kozhany) Olimpias
> Radovo Krateron
> Ramel Rahona
> Ramna (Kukush) Monoliti
> Ramna (Voden) Omalon
> Ramna (Kozhany) Omalon
> Ranislav Agati
> Rantzi (Kozhany) Ermakja
> Rapes Drepani
> Rasovo Limon
> Ravenia Makriplagi
> Ravitza Kalifiton
> Ravna (Ser) Isoma
> Razenik Haradra
> Rehimli Mezia
> Resen Sitaria
> Resilovo Haritomeni
> Retini Riakon
> Revany (Kostur) Dipotamja
> Rizovo Rizo
> Rjamentzi (Ser)
> Robovo Rodonas
> Rudari (Kostur) Ekalitea
> Rudino Aloras
> Rulja (Kostur) Katohori
> Rumbi Lemos
> Rum-Saret Vromosiria
> Rupel (Ser) Klidion
> Rupishcha (Kostur)
> Rusinovo (Drama) Ksantogia
> Rusovo Makroliti
> Ruzheny Rizohori
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Sabotsko (Voden) Ardeja (Almopija)
> Sachishcha (Kozhany) Sjatista
> Sadina Karavi
> Sakaftza Evadohori
> Sakulevo Marina
> Salamanli Galikos
> Salpovo (Kozhany) Ardasa
> Samar (Voden) Samari
> Samokovo Domatia
> Saratzi Falara
> Saradza Valtohori
> Saraj Sholarion
> Sarajli Palatianon
> Sarakinovo (Lerin) Sarakini
> Sara-pazar (Kukush) Antofiton
> Sarashaban Hrisopolis
> Sari-gjol (Kukush) Kriston
> Sarmusakli (Ser) Pendapolis
> Sarmusalari Kokinohori
> Savek (Ser) Vamvakofiton
> Sborsko (Voden) Revkoton
> Sehovo (Kukush) Idomeni
> Seljany Mezorena
> Semasi (Kostur) Kremaston
> Sendelchevo Sandali
> Seneleli Rodokipos
> SER SERES
> Seremeti Fanarion
> Serermli Kserovrisi
> Seslovo (Kukush) Sevaston
> Setina (Lerin) Skopos
> Setoma (Kostur) Kefalari
> Sevendekli Eptalofon
> Severjany Vorino
> Sfiltzi Hromion
> Shakovitza (Kostur)
> Shekerki (Kukush) Zaharaton
> Sheshtevo (Kostur) Sidirohori
> Shilinos (Ser) Sfelinos
> Shijak (Kostur) Komninades
> Shkrapar (Kostur)
> Shlimnishcha (Kostur) Milica
> Shljopintsi (Kukush) Dogani
> Shtarkovo (Kostur) Plati
> Sicevo Sidirohori
> Siderova Mezovuni
> Singelevo (Ser)
> Sivry Nea Mahala
> Skrizhevo (Ser) Skopia
> Slatina (Kostur) Hrisi
> Slatina (Voden) Hrisi
> Sliveny (Kostur) Koromilia
> Smol (Kukush) Mikron Dasos
> Smurdesh (Kostur) Kristalopigi
> Snicheny (Kostur)
> Sokol (Ser) Sikja
> Sokolovo Parapotomos
> SOLUN THESSALONIKI
> Sosuri Nimfi
> Spantzi (Lerin) Fanos
> Spantzi (Kukush) Latomi
> Spatjovo (Ser) Kimesis
> Spirlitovo Plagiari
> Sporlita Elefina
> Srebreny (Lerin) Asproija
> Starchishta (Drama) Peritorion
> Starichany (Kostur) Lakomata
> Statitza (Kostur) Melas
> Stavros (Solun) Stavros
> Stavrovo Stavrodromi
> Stensko (Kostur) Stena
> Straishta Ida
> Strezovo (Kukush) Argirupolis
> Strupino Likostomon
> Subas-Kjoj Neon Suli
> Sufilar (Halkidiki) Angelohori
> Sufilar (Kavala) Angelohori
> Suha-banja (Tashino ezero) Paliotros
> Suha-banja (Ser) Ksilotros
> Suho (Solun) Sohos
> Sujudzuk Lima
> Sulovo Amaranta
> Surlevo (Kukush) Amaranda
> Surovichevo (Lerin) Amindeon
> Sveta Marina (Ber) Agia Marina
> Sveta Nedelja (Kostur) Agia Kiriaki
> Sveta Petka (Lerin) Agia Paraskevi
> Sveti Atanas (Drama) Agios Atanasios
> Sveti Ilija (Voden) Profitis Ilias
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Tagramishevo Idromilos
> Tarlis (Drama) Vatitopos
> Tarlis Sidirohori
> Tarnaa (Kostur)
> Tarnovo (Kostur) Ankatoton
> Tarsje (Kostur) Trivunon
> Tehovo (Voden) Karadjas
> Tekelievo (Solun) Sindos
> Tekri Paralimni
> Tekri-Vermisly Kserorevma
> Telkili Petralona
> Tikisli Talasia
> Tikveny (Kostur) Kalokinton
> Tiolishcha (Kostur) Tihion
> Todorak (Kukush)
> Tohova Palionelines
> Toilar Peristeri
> Toma Avgo
> Toptzi Gefira
> Topchilar Agios Dimitrios
> Topljany Jorgjani
> Topola Kiriaki
> Topoljan (Ser) Hrisos
> Topchievo (Solun) Gerifa
> Topolovo Nea Tiroloi
> Tranka (Ser) Damaskinon
> Trebeno (Kozhany) Kardja
> Treboletz Tripolis
> Trepishcha (Kozhany) Agios Hristoforos
> Tresino (Voden) Ormai
> Trifulchevo Trifili
> Trihovishcha Kamiohori
> Tuhol (Kostur) Pevkos
> Tukovo Leptokaria
> Tumba (Ser) Neos Skopos
> Tumba (Kukush) Tumba
> Tumba Emvolos
> Turbesh (Ser) Makriotisa
> Turcheli Trakiko
> Tukitza Trias
> Turje (Kostur) Korifi
> Turmanli Rodonia
> Tursko selo Milopotamos
> Tushilovo (Kukush) Statis
> Tusin (Voden) Aetohiri
> Tzakoni (Kostur)
> Tzarmarinovo (Voden) Marina
> Tzarvishta (Ser) Kapnofiton
> Tzerovo (Lerin) Klidi
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Udzhana (Kozhany) Komninon
> Ugurli Peristereon
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Vadrishta (Kukush) Kambohorion
> Vadrishta (Voden) Palea Milotopos
> Vadrishta Milotopos
> Valchshta Domeron
> Valgatzi (Kukush) Kambohorion
> Valkojanovo (Voden) Liki
> Valkovo Hrisokefolos
> Vambel (Kostur) Mosohori
> Varbeny (Lerin) Itja
> Varbnik (Kostur)
> Varlankza Agroniri
> Vartokop (Voden) Skidra
> Vartolom Agios Vartolomeos
> Vardarovtzi Aksiohori
> Vardino Limnotopos
> Vates Nea Epivate
> Vatilak (Solun) Vatilakon
> Vazheny Sevastia
> Vazme (Drama) Eksohori
> Veldziler Dimaros
> Velishti Levkopigi
> Verzhjany Kato Psihiko
> Vetrina Neo Petrici
> Veshtitza (Solun) Angelohorion
> Veznik (Ser) Monikon
> Vidulushche (Kostur)
> Vichishcha (Kostur)
> Vineny (Kostur) Pili
> Virlan Anavrito
> Vishen (Ser) Visjani
> Visheny (Kostur) Vissinia
> Visochan Ksiropotamos
> Visoka Osa
> Vitachishta (Ser) Vitasta
> Vitan (Kostur) Votani
> Vitivjany Polifiton
> Vitovo Delta
> Vladikovo Oropedion
> Vladovo (Voden) Agras
> VODEN EDESSA
> Vojvodina (Kozhany) Spilia
> Volak (Drama) Volaks
> Volchishta (Ser) Domiros
> Volchishta Idoea
> Volovot Nea Santa
> Voronos Kikomidinon
> Vosova Sfikia
> Voshtarany (Lerin) Meliti
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Zabardeny (Kostur) Melantion
> Zabardeny (Lerin) Lofi
> Zagoricheny (Kostur) Vasilias
> Zahartzi Tagarades
> Zarnovo (Drama) Kato Nevrokopion
> Zarovo (Solun) Nikopolis
> Zdraltza (Kostur) Ampelokipi
> Zdravik Draviskos
> Zeleniche (Lerin) Sklitron
> Zhelegozhe (Kostur) Pentavrison
> Zhelevo (Kostur) Andartikon
> Zhelin (Kostur) Heliodendron
> Zhensko (Kukush) Ginekokastron
> Zherveny (Kostur) Agios Antonios
> Zhupanishcha (Kostur) Anolevki
> Zhuzheltzy (Kostur) Spilea
> Ziljahovo Nea Zihni
> Ziljahovo (Ser) Filidos
> Zimbjul mahala Pevkolofos
> Zorbatovo (Solun) Mikro Monastiri
> Zulitza Spitea
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> May god have mercy on their souls...Th Greek Papades...
>
> NEW STATESMAN:
>
> August 20 2000
>
> The ayatollah replaces Zorba
> by Helena Smith
>
> A row over identity cards is giving the powerful Orthodox priests of
> Greece a chance to exploit a dangerous
> nationalism, reports Helena Smith
>
> Strange things are going on in Greece. The country is wrestling with
> an identity crisis and the Eastern Orthodox
> Church, feeling wronged, appears to have gone mad.
>
> Where you think you spot a priest, you invariably discover an activist
> - men in black with stovepipe hats denouncing
> the "dark forces" behind Athens's unusually progressive government.
> The enlightened call them Orthodox
> ayatollahs.
>
> It's worrying stuff, the sort of thing that might make Pericles really
> writhe in his grave. The cause of such rancour?
> The removal of any reference to religion on civilian identity cards.
> For a country in which 97 per cent of the
> population is Christian and Eastern Orthodox, it would seem an
> innocuous enough move. But in Greece - the
> European Union's only Orthodox state - it has had an unexpectedly
> explosive effect: all at once, Hellenes have had
> to ask themselves who, and what, they want to be. And they are doing
> it in a way that is not showing them in the
> best of lights.
>
> Greece's spiritual leaders - the self-styled protectors of Hellenism
> through 400 years of Ottoman rule - retain an
> influence on civil life unknown in any other part of the west: they
> officiate at the swearing-in of governments, the
> inauguration of public and private projects and the blessing of
> private homes. In recognition of those close ties,
> clerics receive state salaries. In their view, the Greeks are caught
> up in their toughest fight yet to remain a cut above
> the rest; to preserve their Christian Byzantine roots from the "meat
> grinder" that is the EU.
>
> Drop religious affiliation from identity cards - originally introduced
> by a military dictatorship in the late 1930s - and,
> the clerics argue, you sound the death knell of a single nation state.
>
> The Greek prime minister, Costas Simitis, has tried to counter all
> this by insisting that the reform brings Greece into
> line with its European partners, and that "the declaration of one's
> religious affiliation is not only discriminatory, but
> offensive. It insults the right of every individual to privacy and
> religious freedom."
>
> The Church, however, remains adamant. Greece's bearded clerics regard
> the "identity crisis" as the sort of thing that
> could drag the nation into "civil war". In June, more than a million
> Greeks (one-tenth of the population) flocked to
> hear Archbishop Christodoulos, the Church Primate, denounce the
> measure as the first step in a sinister plot to
> de-Hellenise Greece. "Our faith is the foundation of our identity. If
> you abolish one, you abolish the other," the
> archbishop thundered, as the crowd of rumbustious flag-wavers cheered.
> The scenes were reminiscent of the
> fundamentalist fervour that once ran riot in Iran.
>
> Increasingly, human rights groups have begun to wonder whether Greece
> is a nice place, after all. Over the past ten
> years, Athens has been repeatedly condemned by the European Court of
> Human Rights for violations involving all of
> its religious minorities. Away from the warm, taverna-terraced
> beaches, fun-loving Zorbas and tourist-trampled
> temples, Greeks treat those who dare to be different with red-hot
> contempt.
>
> Try being a Jew, Catholic, Muslim or Protestant, and you will not get
> far - as the ranks of the Civil Service,
> diplomatic corps and army so amply prove. Try being an immigrant, and
> you are viewed as the reason for
> unemployment and crime. Try mentioning ethnic minorities - officially,
> they do not exist, bar communities of
> Muslims and Roma - and you may be labelled "sick in the mind", to
> quote Theodore Pangalos, the country's feisty
> former foreign minister. Try taking a different tack in public on the
> country's so-called "national issues", the ones
> involving Turkey and other neighbours, and it is likely that you will
> be branded a traitor.
>
> "Modern Greece is an ethno-nationalist state par excellence," writes
> the commentator Takis Michas in his
> forthcoming book, Ethnic Totalitarianism. "'Others' are viewed as a
> source of potential danger to the national
> sovereignty and territorial integrity of Greece."
>
> Twenty-six years after the collapse of the colonels, the fracas over
> the identity cards smacks of "the Greece of
> Christian Greeks", the rebarbative slogan that those petty officers
> used to give their rotten regime an acceptable
> allure. It also proves that liberty and equality, the values that
> drive democracy, are still in short supply in this, the
> birthplace of democracy.
>
> I write this with a heavy heart. I am not a "mishellene", a
> Greek-hater, although I know I will be cast as one when
> this comes out. I have happily lived in and reported from Greece for
> the past 14 years. I think I can say that it is a
> magical place with some magical people.
>
> The problem is that there are two Greeces: one that is western,
> modern, open, reform-minded, civic, competitive,
> risk-taking and international; and one that is eastern, traditional,
> parochial, phobic, unskilled and introverted.
>
> The country, mercifully, is now in the hands of the former. But they
> are a minority - a "group of angels in a sea of
> devils", as one wry observer recently put it. The political spectrum
> is replete with members of the "other" Greece,
> who see civic society, with all its talk of fundamental freedoms, as
> reeking of anti-nationalism.
>
> The present identity crisis has shown how far there is to go if the
> twain are to meet. Greece's troublesome priests
> show no sign of backing down soon. Archbishop Christodoulos may say he
> does not want to turn his flock into
> "fanatics", but he has seen that demagoguery works. Indeed, his
> fighting spirit has sent shivers down the spine of the
> governing Socialists.
>
> The "eastern" Greeks, who support the archbishop's stand, can still
> relate to the notorious declaration of the
> Byzantine commander Loukas Notaras (uttered days before the sacking of
> Constantinople in 1453) that it would be
> better to see the Turkish turban in the city than the Roman cardinal's
> mitre. For these people, civic society is still a
> dirty word. They believe that they have nothing to gain from
> globalisation, least of all the punishing reforms
> required to take the nation into Euroland's new economic order.
> Passions are clearly on the rise. In the Church, the
> easterners see the embodiment of Greece's defensive national identity,
> the only bulwark left against the creation of
> a threatening, multi- cultural, open society.
>
> "There is a very big underdog coalition from which the Church can draw
> its strength - Greeks who feel very insecure
> about the phenomenal pace of change in this country," says Professor
> Nikiforos Diamantouros, Greece's ombudsman
> and a political scientist.
>
> Many Greeks are now praying that the identity crisis will eventually
> lead to a full separation of the secular and
> ecclesiastical spheres. "This, I hope, will be the beginning of the
> formal separation of church and state," says Nikos
> Dimou, the author of the bestselling book The Misery of Being Greek.
> "The Church is the wealthiest institution in this
> country, and it has far too much control. Greeks vote according to
> church dioceses, the constitution is in the name of
> the Holy Trinity and, even if they want to, they cannot die without it
> because the Church has ensured that civil
> burials don't exist."
>
> There have already been calls by bishops for civil disobedience. As
> the government prepares to print the new ID
> cards, the Orthodox Church, clearly girding its loins for battle, says
> it will encourage people not to take possession of
> them.
>
> Come 1 September, churchmen will begin collecting millions of
> signatures for an "informal referendum" on the
> issue.
>
> Every European state is afflicted to some degree by the twin evils of
> populism and racism. As the only country in the
> EU not to border another member state, Greece differs only in the way
> that it perceives its own watertight identity. It
> remains the EU's poorest member, badly in need of crucial economic and
> social reforms. Within the 15-nation bloc,
> Greece still has the biggest labour force of civil servants and
> small-time self-employed.
>
> The Greeks have experienced more years of authoritarian, right-wing
> rule than perhaps any other nation on the
> Continent. The generation born since the restoration of real liberty
> in 1974 is the first never to have experienced
> war, civil strife or major economic convulsions. Understandably, it
> feels more secure - as the unprecedented
> enthusiasm for recent rapprochement between Athens and Ankara has
> shown.
>
> Now that the identity crisis is out in the open, and with this new
> generation in mind, it is hoped that the Greeks will
> finally be able to accept the idea that their own homogeneity is a
> myth. Already, taboos have been lifted, not least
> around the once sacred subject of the role of their Church.
>
> There are few who are saying such things aloud. But, one way or
> another, good may come of the madness.
>
> Helena Smith has been awarded a Nieman Fellowship at Harvard
> University for her coverage of Greece and the
> Balkans as the Athens-based correspondent for the Guardian and the
> Observer.
>
>
>
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>
> David Howarth ! ......Greek barbarity as depicted in his book called
> the "Greek Adventure"
>
>
> The truth which lies behind Greece's slanders against Turkey in the
> presence of the world is that they aim to plunder
> Aegean, Cypriot and Turkish lands. Yes! In the year 2000, Greece is
> still living with the "Megali Idea" dream.
>
> Now let us take a look at GREEK BARBARITY.
>
> The Greeks cannot endure books that show them in a bad light. One of
> the books that make them furious is the
> "Greek Adventure" written by the English author David Howarth. Howarth
> examined the 1821 revolution on the scene
> of the event and wrote this book after examining one by one the books,
> articles and journals written by British,
> Italian, French and German officers and journalists after returning to
> their respective countries.
>
> The true events recorded in David Howarth's book "Greek Adventure" are
> disgraceful and loathsome.
>
> Those who read below the several paragraphs extracted from the book in
> question, which divulges Greek barbarity
> to the world in the clearest terms, will acquire ample knowledge about
> what the Greeks are.
>
> "In the summer of 1821, rebellion against the Turks erupted against
> the Turks. The conflagration spread so rapidly
> that no one can say where, why and by whom the first Turks were
> killed. According to official records, the rebellion
> was first led by the Church. The first cause of the war could be
> described as a religious and sacred war.
>
> Bishop Germanos of Patras called the populace to arms by raising his
> cross. In those days, Patras was a prosperous
> and beautiful city. It was open to the outside world and a large
> number of Turks lived there along with the Greeks.
> On hearing that a crowd of people from the mountains was approaching,
> they withdrew to the city castle to defend
> themselves. Even before Bishop Germanos and the insurgents arrived in
> the city, Muslims and Greeks had begun
> killing each other in the streets. The Greeks welcomed Germanos as a
> saviour. The new arrivals had already begun
> looting the homes of the Turks. The insurgents erected a cross in the
> main square of the city with a ceremony. The
> words uttered by their leaders were: "Peace to Christians, respect to
> consuls and death to Turks!"
>
> Events followed the same course in the Peloponnese. The Greeks had
> risen all over the peninsula and murdered
> their neighbours the Turks. They had done this perhaps in the name of
> Christianity or freedom, but above all else
> they had done it to despoil the Turks, to take revenge and because of
> the Church's jealousy and personal
> vengeance.
>
> Once the massacres had begun they did not need to search for a reason.
> They were all thirsty for blood, that was
> why they were murdering. It was known that in the month of March of
> that year, 25 thousand Muslim families were
> living outside the cities in the Peloponnese and were occupied in
> farming. In April, as the Easter celebrations were
> continuing, not a single individual of these people was left alive.
> The corpses were left among the flowers in the
> fields, on soil warmed by the Spring sun. With the arrival of Summer
> heat, they rotted away.
>
> This frenzied genocide perpetrated by Germanos and the other Church
> leaders had caused horror. Throughout the
> war, other leaders joined Germanos and were madly applauded.
>
> Kolokotronis was also a leader sought by the peasants and the nobles.
> He had made his wealth selling horses to the
> British army. In return for his services, the British had awarded him
> the rank of major. When Kolokotronis joined the
> uprising he was fifty years old. He commanded a 6,000-strong special
> unit. His first battle ended in fiasco. His troops
> were routed by a Turkish cavalry force of 500. Kolokotronis ran along
> with his men, and he ran so fast that he left his
> weapons behind.
>
> It was a tradition of the Greeks to run when the course of battle
> turned against them. The Greeks neither adopted a
> battle order like the European armies nor fought face to face with
> their enemy. The first thing they sought in order
> fight was someplace behind which they could defend themselves; this
> would generally be a boulder. And if they
> couldn't find one, they would build themselves a small wall of rocks,
> behind which they would seek safety, and then
> start firing. As they fought, they shouted obscenities at their enemy,
> uttered words of contempt at them and derided
> them. As they fired, they held their weapons at the hip and as they
> pulled the trigger they closed their eyes and
> averted their faces. They could therefore kill only a few of their
> enemies and when a random bullet killed someone,
> they forgot they were in a battle and ran to the dead person to rob
> him, emptied his pockets and then severed his
> head from his body. The economic resources of the revolutionaries were
> the robberies and plunders carried out by
> their chiefs.
>
> The city of Monenvasia fell five months after the outbreak of the
> rebellion. This city and its castle were built on
> sharps cliffs rising from the sea. The Turks living in the city; the
> soldiers, state officials and traders and their families,
> and the other Turks from the nearby villages, had sought refuge in the
> castle. There was terrible starvation. Their
> only food was sea moss and plants. They even sallied forth desperately
> from the castle at night to capture and bring
> back a corpse. They knew the tragedy awaiting them if they surrendered
> to the Greeks. The Greek bandits were
> waiting patiently to slaughter and rape the Turks and plunder their
> properties. The Greeks declared to the Turks
> besieged in the castle that if they surrendered their lives would be
> spared. The priests even promised them that if
> they surrendered they would be put on boats and sent to the Turkish
> coast. Only 500 Turks were put on the boats.
> These 500 Turks never set foot on any land and nothing has been heard
> of their fate. As for the thousands of Turks
> left in the castle, as soon as the gate was opened, they were set on
> by the Greeks, were slaughtered and their
> possessions plundered.
>
> This is the truth about the victory announced in Europe as "The Greek
> Miracle." It was not the triumph of Greek arms
> and Christianity in the sense understood by the Europeans.
>
> The second fortress to fall was that of Navarone. The Turks had been
> promised that if they surrendered they would
> be taken to the North African coast and set free. The Greek who made
> the agreement boasted to an English colonel
> that: "The agreement had a single copy and I have torn it up. No one
> can claim any rights now." The Turks opened
> the castle gates, either because they believed this promise or because
> they had no other way out.
>
> The Greeks immediately rushed in and massacred all the inhabitants of
> the city numbering some two thousand. A
> priest who witnessed the event later recounted how the women were
> undressed, taken to the seashore where they
> were raped then drowned; how children were beaten to death or killed
> by knocking them against rocks. Greeks
> greatly enjoyed cutting off the arms and legs of their victims.
> Foreigners who visited Navarone months later found it
> hard to endure the stench of corpses that permeated the whole city and
> saw dogs, rats and crows feed on corpses
> along the castle walls whose arms and legs had been cut off. As for
> the Greeks, in order to demonstrate their power
> to the visiting foreigners, they told them the numbers of the Turks
> they had killed and how they had killed them; they
> also presented the visitors with the Turkish boys and girls they were
> keeping in the ruins. They had spared the lives
> of these children, naked and mad with fear, to satisfy their sexual
> appetites.
>
> Some twenty Europeans witnessed the barbarity of the Greeks as they
> attacked the fortress of Tripolitsa. One of them
> was Colonel Thomas Gordon from Scotland. The Colonel was a sensible,
> experienced and honest soldier and knew
> Greek well. He found the events he witnessed at Tripolitsa so
> horrifying that he wanted these disgraceful events to
> be remembered to eternity. Even today, it would be better if the
> stories the witnesses have recounted were not
> repeated. I think saying this much should be sufficient. Within two
> days not a soul was left alive in the city where ten
> thousand Turks had been living. Most of them had been murdered by
> cutting off their heads, arms and legs.
> Following this massacre, thousands of Greeks returned to their
> villages to hide the plunder which had by their
> standards made them rich. The price of slaves had dropped so low that
> no one wanted to own them. Because no
> one had buried the dead, an unbearable stench permeated the whole
> city, the drinking water was contaminated
> and a cholera epidemic broke out.
>
> "PHILOTIMO" is a Greek word. It means "Honourable" and it is an ethnic
> title for the Greeks. The Greeks have, until
> the recent past in any event, conducted their lives on two levels: one
> of them being the normal world where we all
> live, and the other the dream world of ideals they themselves created.
> The first of them is the life of reality they lived
> in, the other the world of dreams created by themselves. A Greek may
> reject the facts and events known, seen and
> believed by everyone and may insist that they had never been or
> occurred. For example, it is this characteristic of
> the Greeks which make them exalt and praise bandits and raise them to
> the level of courageous knights, the
> defenders of noble Greek traditions. In fact, they all know by
> experience that the bandits and pirates they have
> presented as national heroes were in reality mangy, filthy, insatiable
> and hardened thieves. But the fact is that for
> the Greek, these two aspects are of equal value.
>
> When a Greek's "Philotimo" is in question, he can never accept the
> facts as they are. As Lord Byron has said, "The
> Greeks lack the capacity to comprehend reality. Every Greek has an
> exaggerated opinion about Greeks."
>
> A traveller like me who has an open mind cannot help but feel
> admiration for them. This may be a result of
> sensitivity. In the face of their amenability I felt myself indebted
> to the Greeks. I thought about what the cause might
> have been that had all of a sudden turned their ancestors into
> monsters one hundred and fifty years ago. The
> general explanation for this was the hatred they felt for the Turks
> after living for centuries under Turkish oppression.
> They had avenged themselves. But I think something else lies behind
> the event. Turkish rule, as is known, was not
> bad. Hatred cannot be an excuse for turning into monsters. I think the
> cause is just the opposite of what it is thought
> to be. Once the Greeks loved the Turks very much. They had been under
> the influence of the Turks for 350 years.
> The only thing that separated them from the Turks was the Church. In
> spite of being Christians, the Greeks had
> remained more oriental than western in their traditions and behaviour
> . I don't think that even today they have rid
> themselves of the influence of the Turks.
>
> Only a handful of foreigners lived in Greece at the time of the 1821
> revolution. Therefore Europe did not know what
> was happening in Greece. Because the reports sent outside Greece were
> written by enlightened romantics who had
> not taken part in the war, they were penned to reflect the Greeks'
> ideals. Therefore as the Europeans condemned
> the Turks, they were unaware that it was the Greeks who were
> perpetrating barbarities and had started the
> slaughter. While all foreign countries recognised the Greeks as
> citizens of the Ottoman Empire, the European public
> applauded them as Christians heroically waging war against Muslims.
>
> The reason for the European's siding with the Greeks was not only
> their being Christian; it was also their history. In
> those days, education was classically orientated. Language, philosophy
> and ancient Greek arts were the foundation
> of this education. Meanwhile, a group of people known as the
> "Philhellenes" was guiding the Europeans' beliefs
> about Greeks onto a wrong path. These Philhellenes comprised scholars
> of classical literature, idealists, poets and
> conservative and romantic politicians who had spread all over Europe.
> They were spreading all around them a new
> ethnic concept the Greeks had never even thought of. According to
> them, the Greeks were the progeny of ancient
> Greeks and maintained invisibly the intelligence and heroism of the
> ancients.
>
> For five whole years, the Philhellenes not only died for this
> delusion, they also spent vast amounts of money. This
> idea championed by the Philhellenes has never been correct. The
> present day Greeks are as close to the ancient
> Greeks as are the present day English to the Saxons. The blood of both
> nations has been mixed and adulterated by
> migrations and invasions over thousands of years. The ancestors of the
> modern Greeks, even if we discount the
> Turks, were the Romans, Albanians, Goths, Venetians and Slavs.
>
> There is no doubt that the genius of ancient Greek forms the
> foundation of European culture, but this genius was
> virtually forgotten in Greece. The Greeks did not want to remember it.
> When they looked back, they only saw the
> Byzantine Empire and prided themselves on that.
>
> The Greek revolutionaries' capture of the Turkish garrison in Corinth
> is also a black stain on Greek history. The
> fortress rose on the hills behind the city. The siege of the fortress
> lasted a long time. The Turkish families who had
> gathered in the castle were suffering horribly from hunger and thirst.
> As in Navarone and Tripolitsa, the Greeks had
> promised the Turks that if they surrendered the fortress, they would
> be ferried across to the Anatolian coast. The
> Turks, having no other option, accepted the offer and when they left
> the castle to go to the coast, a new chapter was
> added to the book of horrors. The Greeks, setting upon the defenceless
> people, slaughtered everyone except the
> young boys and girls. They did not harm the young ones because of
> their evil lust and their intention of selling them.
>
> This cruel, bloodthirsty genocide by the Greeks was also extremely
> idiotic. As an Italian by the name of Brengeri
> wrote in his memoirs, "One incident is sufficient to make one
> understand a lot of things..." On his way to Corinth,
> Brengeri comes across a murdered Turk. A little further on are the
> man's wife and baby in a wretched condition. To
> help the starving woman and her baby Brengeri collects a few pennies
> from his companions and hands them to the
> woman. Brengeri leaves the woman and he has not gone a hundred meters
> along the road when he hears two
> gunshots. When he looks back, he sees that Greek rowdies who had seen
> him hand the money to the woman have
> murdered the woman and her baby to rob her of the money.
>
> Brengeri is one of several foreigners who witnessed the genocide in
> Corinth. Brengeri watched with disgust as a
> Turkish family of a man, his wife, two children and their servants,
> who had been cornered, were murdered by the
> Greeks in his presence. Before killing the children's mother, the
> Greeks tore the veil off the woman's face to see
> what she looked like. When Brengeri pled with the Greeks to release
> the woman, he was told: "Give us fifty piastres
> and we'll release her." Leaving his companions with the Greeks and the
> woman, Brengeri went to a grocer he knew
> and borrowed the fifty piastres to give to the Greeks. Then the Greeks
> said: "We'll hand her to you but naked," and
> stripped the woman naked before releasing her. Hundreds more Turkish
> women were thus sold to foreigners by the
> Greek bandits.
>
> The Acropolis in Athens was the most renowned of the citadels in
> Greece. For more than a year, 1150 Turks had
> been forgotten and left to their fate among the ruins of this sacred
> temple. No one bothered these wretched people
> but for the "Greek Admirers" force set up by Europeans who admired the
> Greeks. The "Philhellenes", who wanted to
> capture the Temple of Acropolis, the treasure house of Greek
> civilisation, from the Turks and hand it to the Greeks,
> attacked the citadel one night but were routed. When the Turks looked
> below from the Acropolis, they could see
> people prepared to cut their throats with pleasure.
>
> It was lack of water that defeated this handful of Turks whom no siege
> or orderly assault had been able to vanquish.
> The winter of 1821 had been unusually dry. The cisterns cut out of
> rocks had dried up. By June, the Turks did not
> have a drop of water to drink. Taking advantage of this, the Greeks
> set down their conditions for the capitulation of
> the citadel. What they demanded was that the Turks leave their arms
> and half of their money to the Greeks; in return
> they would be allowed to board ships and go to Turkey.
>
> When on 22 June 1822 the gates of castle opened, those who came out
> were not warriors but wretched people
> begging, "A drop of water...a drop of water.." and trying to crawl.
> Only 180 of them were men of an arms-bearing
> age. The rest were made up of the elderly, the crippled and women and
> children from neighbouring villages who
> had sought refuge in the castle. There were no ships waiting to take
> them away. The Turkish captives were put in
> the courtyard of Hadrian's Temple on the slope of the Acropolis. No
> one bothered them there for two days. Then the
> attack of Greek rowdies began. They threw the Turks out of the places
> where they had hidden and began to chase
> them in the streets. 400 people, most of them made up of ill and weak
> women, were murdered. Those who survived
> were taken under protection by the foreign consuls in Athens.
>
> In the ten-year period from 1821 to 1832, events continued to occur at
> the same speed. Much Turkish blood was shed
> on the Greek peninsula. The events might have been viewed from a
> different perspective if the blood shed was the
> blood of only the Turkish soldier. A soldier fights and he either
> kills or dies, that is his duty. But if the shed blood
> belongs to helpless people such as women, children and the elderly,
> then it is called a "massacre" or "butchery" We
> learn from foreign sources that the Greeks carried out not just
> butcheries but mass butcheries. And again the same
> sources write how the Greeks deceived world public opinion into
> swallowing their butcheries as a triumph of Greece
> and Christianity.
>
> As Greece accuses the Macedonians, Albanians, Bulgarians and Turks of
> barbarity, it should not forget that it owes
> them a debt of blood.
>
> The Greeks ruthlessly murdered tens of thousands of Turks, Bulgarians,
> Albanians and Macedonians with the aim of
> adding the Balkans and Anatolia to their borders. They may have
> forgotten these murders that they committed, but
> cannot delete the fact from the pages of history.
>
> If we were to turn these pages and transfer Hellenism's mass murders
> to our pages, we would have to write volumes
> of books.
>
> All the same, let us recall a few of them:
>
> On 4th July 1913 during the 2nd Balkan War, the Greeks attacked
> Kilkish. The city was defenceless with only women,
> children and the elderly present. The first targets attacked by the
> Greek artillery were the orphanage and the
> hospital. The greater part of the children and patients in these two
> buildings died in the shelling. Meanwhile, the
> Greek troops who had occupied the city looted and burned the houses
> and murdered their occupants, just like they
> did in Anatolia, Macedonia, Albania and Cyprus.
>
> During this occupation, they raided forty villages, burned down 4,725
> houses and bayoneted to death 74 people,
> eleven of them babies and most of the rest women and elderly people.
>
> In the village of Akangeli they had occupied, the Greeks told some 400
> villagers that they would transport them to
> some other place, took them to the forest where they murdered them and
> then stole their money and other
> valuables.
>
> In the Bulgarian villages they attacked, Greek troops not only
> murdered anyone they came across but also raped the
> women and stole their money. According to official records, in three
> days Greek troops slaughtered 365 Bulgarians
> and Muslim Turks.
>
> In the presence of a group of foreign journalists, Greek troops
> gathered two hundred Bulgarians of Macedonian
> origin in a square where they murdered them, they then loaded the
> corpses onto lorries and carried them to the
> forest where they buried them in a mass.
>
> Also included in the report prepared by the "Carnegie Foundation
> Research Centre" on these mass murders
> committed by the Greeks are also excerpts from letters sent to their
> families by the Greek soldiers who had
> committed these murders.
>
> Here are a few of them:
>
> · "Here in the villages we occupy, we kill all the Bulgarians, not
> caring whether they are women or children."
>
> · "Under the orders we have been given, we kill every Bulgarian we
> come across and burn their houses."
>
> · "The orders are to the effect that we should kill them by cutting
> their throats and burn their houses. We obey these
> orders."
>
> · "We bayoneted every Bulgarian we captured and cut off his head."
>
> · "Of the 1200 Bulgarians we captured in Negrita, only 41 who were in
> prison stayed alive."
>
> · "We did not leave a single Bulgarian alive in every place we passed
> through; we exterminated them."
>
> · "We gouged out the eyes of five Bulgarians we had captured, and they
> still would not die."
>
> The following excerpts, taken from books written by Greek officers who
> in 1919 attempted to occupy Turkish lands,
> reveal in very clear terms what the Greeks are in their own words.
>
> Excerpts from Nikos Vasilikos's book "The War Diary":
>
> · "Akcakoy is surrendering. A dreadful scene." P.72
>
> · "The Turkish villages on our route are being subjected to real
> disasters." P.74
>
> · "All the Turkish villages on the plain are being burned by Greek
> troops. With the passage of Greek forces through
> these places, all sides are being illuminated with the light of
> civilisation (flames)" p.108
>
> · "All the villages are burning furiously. In order not to get
> roasted, the occupants of the villages are running out of
> their homes like rats." P.113
>
> · "Afyon is being abandoned to the flames." P. 175
>
> · "We are rapidly advancing to the village of Burnaz. The village was
> set on fire amid the maledictions of the Turkish
> ladies running about naked in the gardens to escape the fire."
>
> · "We arrive at a town burning from one end to the other." P.187
>
> · "Large numbers of Turks are being killed along the route. One of us
> advancing in the van put the muzzle of his
> weapon against the Turk's neck and when he fired, the Turk's head flew
> fifteen meters away." P.181
>
>
>
> N.VASILIKOS, "Dairy", p.57
>
> "We are given the task of guards in the transportation of 150 Turkish
> captives. All along the route, the cavalry troops
> are tormenting the captives; some of them are striking the captives
> with rifle butts and whips. The captives' attempts
> to protect themselves by hiding in each other's arms present a
> dreadful picture. It is as if they are trying to turn into a
> single body. Many of them pass out as we advance and we make the
> others carry the ones that faint."
>
> P.APOSTOLIDES: We read the following lines in pages 20-21 of his book
> "MY Recollections 1900-1969".
>
> "The elderly, the women and children had hidden in the mosque. Some of
> our soldiers became aware of this.
> Because they lacked courage like all worthless people, they were
> afraid of the crowd and therefore did not dare
> force the door of the mosque to rape the women. They started a fire by
> throwing dry grass they had collected from
> here and there through the windows. The people inside began to come
> out, choking with the smoke. It was then that
> those worthless wretches aimed at the women, the children and the
> elderly and murdered them. Some others
> related to me how they had seen the application of another method of
> infernal torture. Very large nails were driven
> into the ground. The plaited hair of the women were passed around
> these nails, so that the women, unable to move,
> were raped in groups.
>
> An instance of Greek barbarity witnessed by historian Arnold Toynbee
> is told on page 298 of his book "The Western
> Problem".
>
> "At 13.00 on Friday, the 24th of June 1921, three days before the
> Greeks evacuated Izmit, the men of two Turkish
> quarters called Bahcecesme and Tepekhane were taken to the cemetery
> and shot in groups. I was present when on
> 29th June two of the graves were opened. I saw that the arms of the
> corpses were tied behind them. Some 60
> corpses were estimated to be in those graves. A total of around 300
> people were missing."
>
> The Greek has shown his barbarity everywhere he has gone, as it
> happened in Cyprus in 1974...
>
> According to an official report published in the British "The
> Guardian" newspaper on 2nd April 1988, 25 Turks in
> hospital went missing from their hospital beds during the July 1974
> events. According to the report prepared on the
> findings of British intelligence officer Lieutenant Martin Packard,
> the Turkish patients had their throats cut by the
> Greek Cypriot nurses, their corpses were loaded onto a lorry and taken
> to a farm in the north of the city, where their
> flesh was separated from their bones, ground in a mincing machine and
> thrown into the sewers.
>
> Another instance is the horrifying event Salahi Hilal, who is still
> alive today, went through. This is how Salahi Hilal,
> whose flesh was cut with a knife and his blood sucked, relates Greek
> cruelty:
>
> "The Greeks and Greek Cypriots who had captured me began to cut my
> arms and the fleshy parts of my shoulders
> with the daggers they had pulled from their belts. Meanwhile a Greek
> officer approached them and asked the Greek
> Cypriots, "Is there anyone among you who hasn't drunk Turkish blood?"
> Some of them shouted, "We haven't,"
> whereupon ten to fifteen people along with the Greek officer began
> licking the blood oozing from the cuts on my
> arms and shoulders. I was about to pass out when I was taken outside,
> I saw a friend of mine captive in their hands.
> His legs and arms were tied. Then a Greek Cypriot pulled the safety
> pin from the grenade he had taken from his belt
> and threw the bomb at the Turkish soldier. My poor friend was blown to
> pieces. I didn't want to live any more."
>
> The Tsamourian Albanians whose lands were occupied by Greeks should
> not be forgotten either.
>
> The genocide movement whose aim was the ethnic cleansing of the
> Tsamourian Albanians began on 27th June
> 1944. 2900 young and elderly men, 214 women and 96 children were
> murdered by the EDES bands commanded by
> General Napoleon ZERVAS; 745 women were raped, 76 women abducted, 32
> children under the age of three put to
> the sword, 68 villages razed to the ground and 5800 houses and places
> of worship destroyed.
>
> The Greek has always kept low in the presence of the powerful but put
> on a show of strength only in the presence of
> the weak.
>
> This is the true blood-smeared face of the Greeks who think that they
> will gain something by deceiving the world
> with lies in order to present the Turks as "Barbarians".
>
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>
> BORZA
> Historian and Professor Eugene Borza who is credited as "Macedonian
> specialist" by the American Philological
> Association, and who have done extensive studies regarding the
> ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians, had also
> presented in-depth analysis on the modern Greek position which claims
> that the ancient Macedonians "were Greek".
> In his In the Shadow of Olympus (p.91-92) Borza writes:
>
> "Thus, long before there was a sufficient ancient evidence to argue
> about the ethnic identity--as revealed by
> language--of the ancient Macedonians, there emerged a "Greek" position
> claiming that the Macedonian language
> was Greek, and that thus the inhabitants were Greek."
>
> The modern Greeks have therefore, developed a position that the
> Macedonians were Greek, long before there was
> sufficient ancient evidence to argue about their ethnicity. Yet
> although modern historiography had long abandoned
> this prematurely established "Greek" position, modern Greeks are still
> its most zealous defenders despite the
> overwhelming evidence available today, which overwhelmingly shows that
> the Macedonians were not Greeks but a
> distinct nation. Borza continues:
>
> "For example, recent work describes the funerary stelae found in the
> tumulus covering the royal tombs at Vergina.
> These stelae date from the fourth and early third centuries, and the
> preponderance of names are Greek. The
> excavator of Vergina, Manolis Andronikos, in a useful summary of the
> epigraphic evidence, writes: "In the most
> unambivalent way this evidence confirms the opinion of those
> historians who maintain that the Macedonians were a
> Greek tribe, like all the others who lived on Greek territory, and
> shows that the theory that they were of Illyrian or
> Thracian descent and were hellenized by Philip and Alexander rests on
> no objective criteria." Manolis Andronikos
> Vergina:The Royal Tombs, 83-85."
>
> Here is Borza's answer to the Greek archeologist Manolis Andronikos:
>
> "This argument is true enough only as far as it goes. It neglects that
> the hellenization of the Macedonians might
> have occurred earlier then the age of Philip and Alexander, and can
> not therefore serve as a means of proving the
> Macedonians were a Greek tribe."
>
> Indeed, not only Andronakis was obviously wrong to conclude that the
> Macedonians were Greek, but also notice
> how the Greek archeologist does not point that the Macedonians might
> have been a separate nation. Instead he
> prefers to call it if not Greek, either Illyrian or Thracian, two
> ancient nations that can not be associated with the
> Balkans politics surrounding Greece, resulted from the 1913 partition
> of Macedonia (see below). Also notice how
> Andronikos used the term "like all the others who lived on Greek
> territory". It's like he wants to convince the reader
> that Macedonia has always been a "Greek territory", which is exactly
> what he uses as a base for his inaccurate
> conclusion.
>
> Another Greek writer, Michael Sakellariou, in his Macedonia 4000 years
> of Greek History, 44-63 (quite questionable
> of accuracy title to begin with), "proves" that the "Macedonians were
> Greek" although he purposely avoided all
> evidence that does not suit such conclusion. Borza has a line for him
> as well:
>
> "It is indicative of the strength of Badian's case that his critics
> have succeeded only in nit-picking: e.g., Sakellariou,
> Macedonia, 534-35 nn. 52.53" (Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus p.96.)
>
> Borza is talking about Ernst Badian from Harvard University who in his
> extensive research Greeks and Macedonians
> presented all evidence and soundly concluded that the Macedonians were
> distinct nation from the Greeks, which
> neither considered themselves to be Greeks nor were considered by the
> Greeks to be Greek. That is precisely what
> the Greek writer Sakellariou had completely and purposely avoided, and
> lacking any base for a well-balanced
> criticism, choused instead to nit-pick Badian's argument.
>
> We can see a trend among the Greek scholars (Andronicos, Martis,
> Daskalakis, Kallaris, and Sakellariou) who
> desperately want to show the world that the Macedonians "were Greeks",
> though unsuccessfully. Martis' Falsification
> of Macedonian History was handed out to the foreign journalists in
> Greece and translated into many languages.
> Sakellariou's Macedonia 4000 years of Greek History was even donated
> for free to the libraries throughout the United
> States. This exposes a well-developed propaganda strategy, to
> influence all those unaware that the "Macedonians
> were Greek." Yet the Greeks are showing the world that the
> "Macedonians were Greek" by avoiding all ancient and
> modern evidence that does not suit their purpose, and in that process
> they try to pass books so full of historical errors
> and distortions:
>
> "The fullest statement of the "Greek" position, and also the most
> detailed study of the Macedonian language, is by
> Kallaris, Les anciens Macidoniens, esp. 2: 488-531, in which alleged
> Greek elements in the Macedonian language
> are examined exhaustively. A more chauvinistic (and less persuasive)
> point of view can be found in Daskalakis,
> Hellenism, esp. pts. 2. and 3. The most blatant account is that of
> Martis (The Falsification of Macedonian History).
> This book, written by a former Minister for Northern Greece, is an
> polemical anti-Yugoslav tract so full of historical
> errors and distortions that the prize awarded it by the Academy of
> Athens serves only to reduce confidence in the
> scientific judgment of that venerable society of scholars. The most
> sensible and scholarly Greek position is that laid
> out by Sakellariou, in Macedonia, 44-63. Lest it seem, however, that
> the "Greek" position is held only by modem
> Greeks" - (Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus p.91)
>
> It is ironical that the book of the former Greek politician Nicolas
> Martis is named The Falsification of Macedonian
> History, when in fact he is the one who is falsifying the history of
> Macedonia with his historical errors and distortions.
> It is worrisome that the students of the countries who have nothing to
> do with the modern Greek politics, must be
> exposed to the Greek historical fabrications against one of the most
> dynamic powers of the ancient times - the
> Macedonians. But why is Greece doing this, what is behind it, why do
> they steal the history of the ancient
> Macedonians, and attempt to appropriate it as theirs?
>
> The answer lays in the year of 1913 when Macedonia was partitioned
> after the Balkan wars and Greece swallowed
> the biggest part - 51%. There was nothing in Macedonia then that
> connected that land with Greece, apart from the
> small 10% Greek minority scattered in southern Macedonia among the
> overwhelming majority of Macedonians who
> lived throughout the country (for complete statistical evidence see
> the "Macedonian-Greek Conflict"). Since in 1913 it
> acquired foreign territory populated by non-Greeks, Greece had to
> provide a link that would justify its claim on that
> half of Macedonia. That is exactly why the Greeks claim that the
> ancient Macedonians "were Greek", so that if in
> ancient times there was a Greek tribe (Macedonians) living in
> Macedonia, then that land therefore is Greek (just like
> Andronikos points above). What is not disputable however, is that
> since 1913 till today, the modern Greek state
> continues to oppress the ethnic Macedonians who now find themselves
> living in Greece (see Human Rights Watch,
> Amnesty International evidenced in the "Macedonians in Greece"). The
> other northern part of Macedonia, today's
> Republic of Macedonia, broke out of Yugoslavia and became independent
> in 1991. That brought addition fuel to the
> Greek nationalists who are afraid now that one part of the ethnic
> Macedonian nation is independent, the partition of
> 1913 can be seen as illegal, which could lead to eventual loss of
> their Greek Macedonian part and subsequent
> reunification of one Macedonia. That is exactly why they claim that
> there is no modern Macedonian nation, not in
> Greece not anywhere, and continue to deny the basic human rights of
> their Macedonian minority through politics
> filled with paranoia, politics which without the revision of the
> ancient history could not breathe.
> Ilinden the Macedonian

June R Harton

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Oct 11, 2002, 2:40:59 AM10/11/02

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" "Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3DA62F48...@sympatico.ca...
> > Jovanche here are the original Macedonian names.
> > THE NAMES OF 804 MACEDONIAN VILLAGES

Here, folks, he is actually a Bulgarian and talking about Bulgarians:

June R Harton

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Oct 11, 2002, 2:41:00 AM10/11/02

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"Yannis" <mak...@vip.gr> wrote in message

news:ao4otq$nkd$7...@usenet.otenet.gr...
Gail Schneider

> "++" <arch...@erols.com> wrote:
> > Actually, he has no knowledge of either Greek or Macedonian or
Bulgarian. He
> only knows English.

Actually, as usual, you are talking about things you have zero knowledge of,
Gail.

:)

> > He spams

And, Gail, I never spam...simply expose the falsehoods you post as false.

> this stuff from Bulgarian and Greek websites.
> Give a chance to you Galina. The truth is not a matter of mother tongue or
the
> language you speak. Otherwise there would be no chance for you to be
liberated
> from Tito-Kolishefskian propaganda.
> The truth is not only in Greek. But so far it has not been written in
> SlavoSkopian !!
> Yannis
> Macedonia, Greece

Actually, it is in their Bulgarian below, Yannis:

The Name Macedonians

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,

nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."

from: Spirit of Truth

Yannis

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"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote:...
> Jovanche zoshto si drvo nedelkano? Zoshto nemash um vo glavata? Zoshto se rodi
> prosti? Zoshto imash golema prazna glava? This is Macedonian bre Tsigan.
> Ilinden

What is Macedonian above bre tikvar ? Why Bulgarians do understand your
writings ?
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

Yannis

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Oct 11, 2002, 8:00:18 AM10/11/02

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"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote:...

> Jovanche here are the original Macedonian names.

> THE NAMES OF 804 MACEDONIAN VILLAGES IN AEGEAN
> MACEDONIA,
> occupied by Greece in 1912, that have forcedly been changed from 1926
> and forward.
> Submitted by Lena Jankovski and Alex Bakratcheff

............................................

Ilindenova, what name do you prefer? Amyntaion or Sorovic, Ptolemais or Kajlar,
Vevi or Banitsa, Olympias or Rakita, Filotas or ....., Amfaxitis or, Axios or
Vardar, Edessa or Voden, Aliakmon or ....
Prove your Macedonian feelings !!
As a rappers of history and peoples' names, you, members of SlavoSkopian
propaganda machine, changed the meaning of the term Macedonia and now you say
that Rakita is Macedonian but not Olympias !!!. Dear Ilindenova, aisixtir !!!
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece

Ilinden

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Oct 11, 2002, 11:39:36 AM10/11/02

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Wolf Wolf the Turkogreki or Ftcogians and the Turkotatars from Bulgaria (Moesia)
are uncivilized people, what kind of human rights do the Macedonians have in
Pirin and Aegean Macedonia?
Ilinden the Macedonian

Yannis

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Oct 11, 2002, 4:27:44 PM10/11/02

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"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote:...
> Abre Jovanche, can you please write in your mother tongue litle Turkish,
Turkish is
> a very nice language, I like the Turkish people.
> Ilinden

Are you hiding again like an ostrich ?? ( Dear Ilindenova, stay kior, this
will help you to live, don't read below !!)
Here !!

Ilindenova, what name do you prefer? Amyntaion or Sorovic, Ptolemais or Kajlar,

Vevi or Banitsa, Olympias or Rakita, Filotas or ....., Amfaxitis or...., Axios

or
Vardar, Edessa or Voden, Aliakmon or ....
Prove your Macedonian feelings !!

As rappers of history and peoples' names, you, members of SlavoSkopian