FR:LYNGOS RE: TODAY'S MAKEDONIANS

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George S. Tsapanos

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A beautifull autumnal night in 1944 a ""NEW ETHNICITY"" was born in Europe.
It's adherents were armed to their teeth, with History and knowledge of their
identity, and well aware of their intentions and dreams past and future.
They are the ""MAKEDONIANS"" from SKOPIA.
At the same time after the ""FEDERATIVE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA" we
now have the ""FORMER YUGOSLAVIAN REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA"".
These famous ""Makedonians"" have nothing MAKEDONIAN. Their Polish names are
ending in --OFSKI-- and --EFSKI--.
Antonofski, Mitrofski, Petrofski, Koliosefski, and similar ones. Their language
a close dialect of the Bulgarian and/or Greek it depends of how how far to the
East or West, they stay.

They used to deny any connection with Alexander the Great and his father
Philippos, then they decided that they were DIRECT descendants from them, but
lately they flirt more and more with some SLAV ETHNICS.
It reminds us the times of 1912, when the Bulgars made all the Pomacks and
Turks living in their land,of Bulgarian blood .
Matter of fact those days, in order for these newcomers in the new Christian
Orthodox Religion not to forget their names, they were writing their names in a
piece of paper and they were asking them to carry it and read it all day, until
they learn it.

That November of 1944 some of our people arrived from Monastiri and Skopia in
Thessaloniki, to tell us all about this ""NEW"" state.
They said that the ""Makedonian masses"" in SKOPIA were yelling in the
streets......Soloun........Soloun.............Soloun.............and they were
""ready"" to come to the South and inundate the city with full blooded
"Makedonians"!
Few other people from Florina were saying that the Communists in Polypotamos
(L. Nereti) and Triantafyllia (L. Lagiani) had concetrate all the local
teachers and made them open ""Makedonian"" or ""Slavo-Makedonian"" schools.
Same kind of stories were arriving from the villages of Kastoria.
It was becoming more and more clear that the overnight creation of this new
ETHNICITY was to be credited to internal and external factors.

Some guy by the name BAKIRTZIS, commander of a group of divisions from ELLAS,
who's "kapetanio" was someone by the name VAFEIADIS, said that he not idea
about what was going on ................poor commander, the companions from the
East didn't informed him about this NEW ETHNICITY.
In Thessaloniki there was an entire division of English and Indians, and George
Modis was representing the interests of the Greek goverment WITH the blessings
of the Communists.
One of them .....DILAVERIS arrived in Modis office one morning and asked him;
""Don't you think that will be fair according to the traditional liberal views
of the Hellenes, and the Socialist and Democratic understandings, to recognize
the ETHNICITY of these people speaking the Slav idiom?"
Modis replied to him that these people speaking the idiom were Greeks matter of
fact very good Greeks and the rest of them were Bulgars, matter of fact much
more fanatic Bulgars than the rest of them in Bulgaria.
How come you don't recognize them as fanatic Bulgars, after all ,........they
proved it during the years under the Germans, Modis asked Dilaveris. He didn't
reply.


The question now was HOW and WHY this eighth miracle of the World was created
overnight in SKOPIA.
Simply............the war was lost by the Germans and the Bulgars, their
allies.
The Bulgars from SKOPIA realized that they would be much more safe and sound
under the LABEL and MASQUE of a "Makedonian ETHNICITY" rather than
apologizing as Collaborators of the Germans and to be found Guilty of Crimes
against Humanity.
Behind them of course were the Communists, realizing that with the creation of
the NEW Ethicity, was becoming much easier to them the claims for territorial
annexations. And that exactly what happened!

And all of a sudden the Comunist Jugoslavia had territorial claims against
Greece and Bulgaria.

However since 1913 the same people had somehow ""forgotten"" to ask for these
lands, since only few hundred of its people were actually existing in there.
The SKOPIAN troublemakers were getting upset, when someone was calling them
Bulgars, their real name, and so .........they decided overnight to transform
themselves and become ..........Makedonians!
To make their point even stronger they brought in papers, in where the Greeks
in Monastiri around 1912, now and then were using the word "Nema" (L. I don't
have).

They forgot something though.
They forgot that when the Ottomans those days were using an Identification Cart
(NOFUZI-IA), for the citizens of their Great Empire, they were writing down the
citizens of the Empire as follows:

All the Moslems were ISLAM, including the Turko-Albanians and the Albanians
favoring the Great Albania instead of Turkey.

However they were dividing the Christian Populations calling the Greeks ""OU
RUM"" the Bulgars ""BULGAR"" the Armenians ""ERMENI"".

And later, when AUSTRIA got into the game and wanted part of the Makedonian
loot, and under pressures from them and Romania, they began calling the ones
speaking Romanian or Vlachian idioms as ""ULACH"" and the Serbs from Kossovo as
""SRMB"".

And of course they were calling the Jews ""YIAHUNTI"".

NEVER.............NEVER.............a NOFUZI (or I.D) with a MAKEDONIAN
ETHNICITY has been issued. NEVER!

I guess the SKOPIANS were really mad and jealous for that and they decide to
make-up that Ethnicity in 1944!

And yet this separated multitude of different Christians was something that
both Turkey and Austria were favoring.
The Turks because always they loved the motto "Divide and Conquer" the
Austrians because they needed an EXTRA ETHNICITY.....that VLACHIAN in order to
lay claims in Makedonia-Pindus and Thessaloniki.

If one of these days, one of those NOFUZI having as MILET (Ethnicity) ,
""MAKEDON"" is found, better if the SKOPIANS build a hell of a safe to keep it
in.

What is even more strange, is the fact that around 1905 Thessaloniki and more
in general the whole Makedonia was abounding with ""Liberal"" supervisors of
the Great Powers, Italians, Russians, Austrians, Englishmen, French all trying
to report to their respective goverments the situation in Makedonia. And
yet...........with all their supervision, all that time, with all those
censuses, NOT ONE PERSON WAS DECLARED AS MAKEDONIAN!
It will be nice before all these countries re-consider the name of FYROM when
the question will arise in the UN, it will be nice if they consult AT LEAST the
reports of their OWN people from Makedonia in 1905.

And when the Neo-Turks came to power in Makedonia they took place two times
General Elections. The results from the land of what is today Greek Makedonia?
Five(5) Greek deputies and two (2) Bulgarians.
And in Monastiri a Sixth one another Greek Traianos Nalis, and one more Bulgar
Pantse Doref.
No Makedonian of the SKOPIAN kind, ever had a chair in the Turkish Parliament,
and of course with ..............so many MAKEDONIANS all around, makes you
wonder !

I forgot to mention someone else.
I forgot to mention the Patriarch of the NEW nation of VARDARIAN Makedonia, the
dreamer and Super-Patriot of the new Makedonian Ethnicity, the man who was
elected twice in the Turkish Parliament, that famous DIMITRI VLACHOF.
I guess the fact that he was elected as............BULGARIAN and he was working
and representing the BULGARIAN interests in the Turkish Parliament, is a minor
detail to the SKOPIANS.

But lets check out their ""Makedonian Church"" to have a better view of these
Super Makedonians, born over night, claimers of unthinkable past History loaded
with laurels and laurels for their achivements against the Ottoman Oppressor!

Those days the Bishop in SKOPIA was Greek. However the Serbs after long fight
they obtained the naming of a Serb in the Bisopric of SKOPIA.
Makes you wonder where were all those days the Makedonians looking after their
Church, a Church that as Lyngos posted on different occassions NEVER existed.

The Europeans of those days coming and going recognized the many Ethicities
and their problems, and named all of them by a common name ""Makedonian
Salad"".
A minor problem of course in here, the Makedonian Salad was born in Makedonia
but no one of its ETHNICITIES was a Makedonian one.

In Makedonia the real struggle was between Greeks and Bulgars. It was an Ethnic
fihght as it was a religious one. Around SKOPIA the struggle was between the
Serbs and the Bulgars, the area in contention though much smaller.
And yet the Serbs had many of their own people killed in the name of that
Makedonian Struggle around SKOPIA.
It makes you wonder who killed them and what happened to those
killers..............
Simply they became the NEW MAKEDONIANS, a.k.a. SKOPIANS.
It makes you wonder against whom people light BUK POPOVIC and YIOVAN SEKOLOVIC
fought in todays ""Vardar Makedonia"".
What kind of people were living in that VARDAR MAKEDONIA that the Serbs fought
against and WHAT happened to those people?

In our lands we knew very well who the ""KOMITATZIDES"" were and from where
they were receiving their orders. And so knew the Turks.
Every time there was a big massacre against our people and we were complaining
to the Sultan, the Sultan at his turn wasn't doing around to find the
""Makedonians"" to complain, he was complaining DIRECTLY to
SOFIA......................

They were working for the Bulgarian Exarchate, we were working for the Greek
Patriarchate.
Did anyone knew about a MAKEDONIAN equivalent ?
We had our Churches, the Bulgars had theirs, did anyone ever saw a
................MAKEDONIAN CHURCH ?

Let alone the slogan ""Makedonia for the Makedonians"", biggest mistake of the
Bulgars those days.
PANTSO KLIASEF knew all about it when he wrote in 1925 in his memoirs about who
were the inhabitants of Makedonia, he knew that in 1900 all the villages in
Florina-Kastoria --except two-- were Greek villages.
It was time for PAPATRAIKOF and ROZEN to act, it was time to forget about the
Churches of the Exarchate and its schools, it was time for blood and knives.
The slogan changed and became ""Who is not with us, is against Us"".
Poor......poor...........villagers speaking the idiom!
Overnight they became the next victims of the Bulgarian madness.
KLIASEF remembers all of his killings, he remember the ones he did with
TSAKALAROF also.

The authors of Ilin-Den's Epic in SKOPIA, they cry for the loss of
PAPATRAIKOF, they talk about the Great Makedonian, the pure child of the
Makedonian land, the poet of Alexander's land.................
They cry for WHOM ?
THE SKOPIANS are crying for the BULGAR !
THE SKOPIANS are crying for the BULGAR teacher, for the BULGAR professor in
half-high-school who was paid by the BULGARS to kill the Villagers of our
villages because they didn't want to become BULGARS.
Many of those ""KOMITATZIDES"" of those days have their statues in SKOPIA.
Maybe this might explain how come today there are so many ""Makedonians"" in
SKOPIA while no one in there in 1900. The old KOMITATZIDES became MAKEDONIANS
over night!

Thats who the HEROES of SKOPIA are !

And lets don't forget the triple occupation. Italians, Germans and Bulgars. In
second World War, they were still.......BULGARS, no Makedonians yet!
It was of course the time when OUR MAKEDONIANS were fighting like no one else
against the Germans and the Italians, while the SKOPIANS took their white
underware off to use them as a surrender flag.
Let alone the un-excusable OFFENCE of mother Greece against our 15th Division
made up from the men from Florina-Amyntaion................BOULGAROI
POLEMHSTE................BULGARS FIGHT......................
Hell yes,,,,,,,,they did fight and they did show to everyone who is who.

And here we are in the beginning or our story back in 1944. KOTSA POPOVIC then
secretary of state of Jugoslavia comes around claiming that a ""Makedonian
Minority"" does exist within the Hellenic lands, and it would be better if in
the name of the Greco-Jugoslavian FRIENDSHIP such minority be recognized
right away........
REAL FRIENDS THOSE SERBS........................
The same SERBS ( MARIGOVIC and NINTSIC) that in 1924 were declaring that if we
dared to recognize a Bulgarian minority in Jugoslavia, such a recognition would
be the equivalent of a War declaration against Jugoslavia.
They ...............knew that in 1925 Serbia they had more than a
minority...............a Bulgarian minority thats it.
And they knew that in Greece we had --0--, no one, not one Serb.
And yet..................all of a sudden rumors of the existence of a 30,000
strong minority of OLD SERBIANS ( STARI SRBCI), began circulating.

Thats how they used to call todays ""Makedonians"", STARI SRBCI of real ancient
Royal blood left-overs of the PRIPETIAN marshes and collectors of the leftovers
that the Avars were throwing away.
STARI SERBCI.................tomorrows SKOPIANS !

They forgot the killings they did in Amyntaion.
They forgot that they accepted all the old KOMITATZIDES into their ranks, they
forgot all the ""brothers"" returning from Albania and Bulgaria, they forgot
about Voevoda LEONTE.
They forgot about their newspaper in Monastiri SOUTHERN STAR, and when a nice
day in 1926, its director HATZIPOPOPOVIC was killed "by unknown" persons, the
Serbs began placing our people in the jails.
We were the guilty of many crimes, we were the guilty of ALL the crimes.
However when we arrested the troika that was send from SOFIA under LIPITKOF, to
kill Hatzipopovic the Serbs finally the saw the light.
The re-naming of the old Bulgarian Komitatzides into "Brothers" took an end,
Voevoda LEONDE was killed because he............attempted to escape, and the
OLD SERBIANS were forgotten.

But now, now we have the MAKEDONIANS!
No more VOEVODAS, no more STARI SRBS, no more KOMITATZIDES, no more BULGARS, no
more EXARCHISTS, no more NEW SERBS either.
They changed inside out their dinner black tie three pieces suit, and they
self-invited to have MAKEDONIA FOR DINNER.
They are ...............MAKEDONIANS after all, the kind that one can become
such overnight.

But why, why people from SKOPIA, KUMANOVO, TETOVO, people that never had an
idea about Makedonia want to be Makedonians or call as such ?

Since the times of 1912 the Bulgars considered SKOPIA as part of Makedonia,
their Makedonia of course. But then SKOPIA became a Serbian city.
Most of the authors do accept the fact that SKOPIA and the other cities were
part of DARDANIA clearly OUTSIDE Makedonia.

Enter the English.
The English General Pilchown in the Middle East, on his memoirs (Seven Years
Behind the Seas ) (L. I don't know the exact title), page 111 is noting that in
the end on 1943 and beginning of 1944 arrived in Egypt representatives of TITO
and the Serbian Communists, under the future Ambassador in London, BELEMINT,
who asked the Allies for the CREATION or for better for the CONSTRUCTION of a
MAKEDONIAN STATE having as its capital NIS.

The Communists they wanted to EXPAND Makedonia ALL THE WAY TO NIS !!!
No Greek claims, No Bulgarian claims.............after all the majority of the
population would be..........SERBIAN, the language would be SERBIAN!

Enter VALTSE MICHAILOF and his book talking of Makedonia as the Swiss of the
Balkans, and all of a sudden we have the seeds for a Makedonia extending much
farther to the North than the ACTUAL 18% or so of todays FYROM!

If we can not win Makedonia from the Greeks, than lets make Makedonia half of
Serbia and change the official language and its demographics.............what a
plan!

The SKOPIANS are admitting Slav ancestry, and YET..............they want to be
and be-called MAKEDONIANS !

And of course the fighting is for the................GREKOMANS !
The fight is for those people that still speaking the idiom, rich very rich
indeed in Greek, Latin and Turkish words, they want to be Greeks because that
what they and their ancestors have been all their lives!
Especially the ones around FLORINA-KASTORIA. Have you ever seen any SKOPIAN
claiming the people from .......oh lets say KATERINI as theirs ?
What about the people from the CHALKIDIKI PENINSULA ?
Nope, the fight is for the MOST FERVENT GREEKS OF THEM ALL !
The fight is for the FLORINA-KASTORIA populations that for thousand of years
have been keeping the Barbarians out of the Hellas.
The fight is for the VLACHS and the populations speaking the IDIOM, for those
populations that more than anyone else should receive credit for the fact that
Makedonia is still Hellenic today.
The fight is for those populations that payed with blood their conviction to
remain Greeks, because they didn't know how to be anything else.
The Bulgars of yesterday, and the SKOPIANS of today, don't like it very much.
Matter of fact they might be jealous of US, maybe thats why they followed up
TITO's dream about the NEW Makedonian Nation.

But SKOPIANS are SKOPIANS!
Pure and simple like that.

They know it and we know it too.
We also know that their ""Makedonian Minority"" here in the rest of Makedonia,
leave Pelagonia and Orvilic out, is less than 4,951 votes strong.
Bulgars, Stari Srbs, and SKOPIANS, especially the kind that till 1944 were
yelling Long Life to Serbia, the kind that before 1944 were killing our
villagers to have them become Bulgars, the kind that from assasins made it to
the ILIN-DEN EPIC and to the squares of SKOPIA as statues, that kind of people
never were and never will be MAKEDONIANS.
The VLACHS and the GREKOMANS of Northern Greece, will make sure for that as
they always did.

"" Tinos kai phlikhs dei timhs axiousthai Makedonas, oi ton pleiw tou viou
xronon ou payontai diagwnizomenoi pros tous Barbarous yper ths twn Ellhnwn
asfaleias; oti gar aei pot'an en megalois hn kindynois ta kata tous Ellhnas, ei
mh Makedonas eixomen profragma""

Polyvios, Histories, edition Leipzig ;1893 volume 3 book 9 page 35.

No time for editing, sorry.

Regards to all.................L.

"Vlachs....the Autochthonous
Of the Hellenic Peninsula."


Dirty Harry

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Nov 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/17/99
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YOU, GYPSY, WILL BE DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

YOU ARE NEITHER MACEDONIAN NOR GREEK AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE
DETERMINATIONS FOR THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF THE LAND.

ITS TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH AND THE WORLD WILL FIND OUT THAT VLACHS ARE
NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF MALCONTENT VERMIN THAT HAS NOTHING AND IS NOTHING.

YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE OR THE LAND IN MACEDONIA, AND, TRUE TO
YOUR MALCONTENT CORE, YOUR PEOPLE WORKED TO MESS IT UP FOR THOSE IT
RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO.

YOUR PEOPLE ARE FILTH. (AND I AM NOT JOKING EITHER.)

NOW GO BACK TO ROMANIA AND STOP CAUSING TROUBLE FOR OTHERS, GYPSY.

YOU ARE NEITHER MACEDONIAN NOR GREEK. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER.
LEARN TO LOVE IT.


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George S. Tsapanos

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Nov 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/17/99
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Something must be bothering you...........


Regards to all ...........L.

"Vlachs...the Autochthonous
Of the Hellenic Peninsula"".

GYPSYSLEYER

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Nov 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/18/99
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>Dirty Harry"

Yo gypsy why so much haterd for your people ,,,,,Don't you know 45% of you
pothetic country called SKOPJE or FORMER YUGOSLAVIA is populated by GYPSIES
,,if you don't believe me ask GALINA and the ALCOHOLIC Ilinden
Makedonia Dorian Nation
FYROM NEVER

PHALANX

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Nov 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/18/99
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I think you have been watching too many Dirty Harry movies.

Let's face it, you are not Inspector Callahan, not even closely related to
the his urban white male, vigilante image. You are a sexually frustrated
mental midget with a dark skin complexion who will always be spat upon by
others and especially the Greeks to whom you are nothing more than a
Gypso-slav and a wannabe.

PHALANX

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