Definition of Slavophone Greek and Grkoman
David Edenden
wants to assume the identity of a Greek(a "wannabe"). Until very
recently these people would even deny knowing a "slavic language" to a
real Greek. They consider their own language a "gypsy language". I
overheard a relative saying , on the driveway, that he hates comming
to my grandfather's house because he has to speak "this gypsy
language". Speaking Greek is seen as the highest form of culture. They
have "Macedonian conciousness" but aspire to "Greek conciousness"
A "Slavophone Greek" is:
1. A person that has at least one parent or grandparent that is
Macedonian and has assumed the identity of the Greek parent. They are
part Macedonian, not part Greek, in the same way that a person is
"part black" who has one grandparent who is black. We never say that
they are "part white" ... always part black ("just one drop o blood").
However, I do not consider them to be Macedonian because they have
Greek not Macedonian conciousness.
2. Someone whose both parents are Grkoman, but who has no idea that
the parents speak another language other than Greek. They also have
Greek conciousness. They have no contact with their Macedonian
relatives, because if they did, they would realize their true
heritage. They have Greek conciosness. Upon finding out what happened
to their relatives, they may turn to embrace their Macedonian
heritage. I do not know of any such cases.
Until recently, very few Greeks would discuss their "slavic ancestry".
It would be like a Greek today saying that "Hey, I did not know until
yesterday that my grandfather was a Gypsy. Wow, isn't that cool.
Imagine that!"
It seems that now quite a few Greeks are saying exactly this to prove,
I guess, that Macedonians have assimilated voluntarily into Greek
culture. In this way, Greeks would be obsolved of any guilt regarding
coercion or discrimination when discussing this issue with human
rights organization.
I will be posting information of Slavophone Greeks for the public
record.
Please memorize these definitions, you will tested on them on the
final exam!
Struma
Edenden) wrote:
>A Grkoman is someone who knows that he is a "Macedonian Slav" but
>wants to assume the identity of a Greek(a "wannabe"). Until very
>recently these people would even deny knowing a "slavic language" to a
>real Greek.
You Got IT DAVID!!!!
The best Thing is that the Stupid GRKOMAN is so STUPID to tell OTHER
PEOPLE HOW THEY ARE without to konw how HE is !
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
POOR AROMANIAN BOY LAMBROU !!!
STUPID GRKOMANS YOU CAN MAKE ONE PERSON FOOL NOT ALL !!!
Anastassios Retzios
Well, it seems that you need these definitions yourself much more than
anybody else because, without these, you cannot reconcile the apparent
contradiction between the Macedonist paluver and the observed facts.
The Macedonist false narrative attempts to convince those gullible
enough to believe these tales that Macedonia had a Slavic majority or
a Slavic Pan-majority prior to 1912. From 1840 onwards, not a single
third party ethnographic survey of Macedonia found this to be true. It
is because of these surveys that the San Stephano treaty was cancelled
and the Berlin treaty was adopted. Even from the Berlin treaty
onwards (1876) there were additional ethnographic surveys and various
Ottoman censi as well as the results of Ottoman elections in 1908 that
prove without doubt that both in the wider "Macedonia" and in the
Macedonia in Greece, no ethnic group possessed any clear majority.
These are the facts.
So, now we need to generate "Grkomen" and double "Grkomen" to justify
the observed difference from the Macedonist propaganda of a "unified,
slavic speaking population that identified as Macedonians" to the
observed facts that hardly support this thesis.
Such "cooking" will go down well on the uninformed idiots that believe
that there are the lost children of Kleopatra but they cannot affect
the real facts and the real sources that are there to be found for
anybody who has half a brain to look for them.
As for you, have the guts to stand up to what you believe and engage
us in a discussion instead of engaging in "hit-and-run" posting very
much as the other incoherent member of the group, Ilinden.
ADR
Ilinden
A GRKOMAN IS....................
A Macedonian who wants to be Greek.
One who refuses to accept his true Macedonian National Origins.
One who is ashamed of his background, the language he speaks.
One who is afraid to call himself Macedonian.
A Grkoman is a person who always refuses to accept arguments that
prove without a doubt of his
Macedonian identity.
A Grkoman is a person who always refuses to learn and accept his
condition of what he is or who he
is.
A Grkoman is a person who is lazy,ignorant and has no courage. He
is also a coward.
A Grkoman is an individual who cooperates with the Greeks against
all Macedonians.
A Grkoman is a person who is suffering from self-inflicted national
amnesia.
A Grkoman is an individual who has no respect for others, himself,
or his heritage.
A Grkoman is a cancer within the Macedonian nationality, which
stubbornly works to destroy everthing
that is Macedonian.
A Grkoman is the #1 enemy to the Macedonian people.
A Grkoman is a liar because every time he utters the words, "I am
Greek", he lies and he knows it.
The Grkoman always speaks in Macedonian at home. He listens to
Greek music. He shops at Greek
stores for the usual, olives, halva and lukumia and always enjoys
the conversation with tht Greek
propriator.
The Grkoman attends the Greek church. He doesn't understand what
the priest is saying, but that's
okay, for whatever the priest is saying must be good. At funerals
the Grkoman always lements and
cries in Macedonian.
The Grkoman is a person who lies to the Canadian census when the
question, "What mother language
is spoken at home?", he writes boldly Greek ,and he knows it's a
lie.
ALSO
A Grkoman is a person who speaks Macedonian at home, but goes to
Greek church and gets married at
a Greek church.
A Grkoman is a person who attends the Greek Rally protesting the
Republic of Macedonia's recognition
by Canada, and speaks Macedonian on the 3 hour bus ride to Ottawa.
A Grkoman is a person who speaks among relatives and friends in the
church in Macedonian, but as
soon as the priest comes out they all speak Greek.
A Grkoman is a person who belongs to the Pan-Macedonian society.
A Grkoman is a person who calls himself Macedonian only when it is
convenient.
A Grkoman is a person who always tells a Macedonian he/she should
learn Greek.
A Grkoman always wears shirts with the Greek flag on it to convince
HIMSELF and others that he is
Greek.
The definitions described are true life experiences that confirm
the existence of such Macedonians
who are distinctively recognized.
To the Greeks, the Grkoman is an individual who promotes the
interests of the Greeks and therefore,
he is a good Greek.
To the Macedonians, the Grkoman is the enemy within, that has
depleted the Macedonians in
numbers. It has given the Greeks a legitimate tool to further
assimilate and oppress the Macedonians,
their language, culture, and history.
A Grkoman is a strange entity who wants to forget the past. He
wants to forget his ancestors, of who
they were, their culture, the language they spoke, the songs they
sang, traditions, etc.
A Grkoman is a person who is afraid to speak the Macedonian
language in front of the Greeks because
he feels sub-human when asked by other Greeks from what area he is
from, he mumbles, and swallows
before he answers.
A Grkoman is a person who tries very hard to sound Greek. He
sometimes uses long and complicated
words to impress other Macedonians of his Greekness.
A Grkoman is always interested in Greek politics. Of course, this
interest reinforces the idea of being a
concerned Greek.
A Grkoman always blames the Macedonians for crimes committed in the
civil war. He refuses the fact
to acknowledge, that this was a Greek civil war, not Macedonian.
The blame should be put on the
Greeks, not the Macedonians
Ther Grkoman always feels superior in comparison to other
Macedonians, due to the fact that he is a
Greek and they are somthing less than himself.
The Macedonians know that the Grkoman has been used as a vehicle to
further Greek interests to
completely inhialate the Macedonians from their own land. The
Grkoman is an individual who, from old
hatreds against other Macedonians from emptiness, deprivation of
culture, insecurity, fear, stupidity
and ignorance has turned to the Greeks and continues to do so. He
has been filled with Greek
mythology and now believes he is a Greek, not realizing the void he
is trying to fill was created by the
same Greeks who continue to pour the Greek wine that keeps him
intoxicated.
Macedonian Brothers, if you renounce your Greekness then what will
happen to you? You are afraid to
let go the illusion of Hercules, Jason, the ancient Greeks, their
history, the "doxa" and all that jazz,
etc. Do not be afraid. We have our history, our culture,
nationality, and nation. We have rights. We
are not sub-humans as the Greeks want us to believe. We are
Macedonians. We want to honour our
heroes, our grandfathers, our people. The Macedonian landscape has
been soaked with blood, sweat
and tears from Macedonians, not Kolokotroni, Ypsilantis, or
Bouboulina.
When someone declares he is a Macedonian, he makes a statement that
he is a free man; a distinct
individual who belongs and shares the Macedonian culture, language,
faith, traditions, history, etc.
When someone declares he is a Macedonian, he demands respect for
himself and his family, his people,
his country, etc.
When someone declares he is a Macedonian, he develops and enriches
his culture. He protects his
faith and all rights that belong to the Macedonian nation.
When someone declares he is a Macedonian, he inherits the history,
land, culture, traditions,
language, art, music, etc.
When someone declares he is a Macedonian, he demands what is
Macedonian.
If you are a Grkoman, in the process of declaring yourself a
Macedonian with responsibilities to the
Macedonian people and nation, to you, dear Brother, we apologize.
This article is for those Grkomani
who continue to support the Greeks and their propaganda. These
Grkomani will die as Grkomani. We
say, "The hell with you, you were no good for Macedonia, you are no
good to the Macedonian Nation".
In the history of the Macedonian people you will be remembered as
traitors, lackys to the Greeks : You
were never Greek. You will never be Greek. You will die Grkomani in
shame.
REMEDY FOR GrkomanIA
Accept yourself for who you are. If you desperately want to be
Greek, analyze your desperation why,
and be honest about it. All the people in this world do not choose
their nationality. They are born into
it. Answer this question : What is in the best interest of the
Greeks? Is it the physical existence of the
Macedonians (that's you) or the land you occupy?
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS
June R Harton
"Struma" <te...@tets.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Feb 2004 05:23:20 -0800, david....@rogers.com
In your dreams, Bulgarians!
George Finlay, "History of the Greek Revolution", London, 1971
The Greek War of Independence in Macedonia
"In no part of Greece were the facilities for commencing the Revolution, or
for defending the national independence, greater than in the peninsula to
east of the Gulf of Thessalonica, called anciently Chalcidice. The
population was almost entirely of the Greek race, and its villages enjoyed
the title of Free Townships (Eleutherokhoria), on account of their many
privileges."
"The submission of Mount Athos enabled Aboulabad to turn his attention to
the Greek population in the mountains between the mouths of the Haliacmon
and the Axius. Zaphiraki, the primate of Niaousta, was the most infuential
Greek in this district. He was a man of considerable wealth; he had opposed
Ali Pasha in intrigue, and held his ground...He now invited Gatsos and
Karatassos, the captains of Armatoli at Vodhena and Verria, to meet him.
These three chiefs proclaimed the Revolution, and, as usual, commenced their
operations by murdering all the Mussulmans on whom they could lay hands. At
Niausta, men, women, and children were butchered without mercy.
Then your scam came, Bulgarian:
The Name Macedonians
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
And for the real Macedonians:
And here is some real history of the area:
Encyclopedia Britania 1911
Š 2002 by PageWise, Inc.
MACEDONIA
BIBLI0GRAPHY.—Jewitt and Hope, Corporation Plaic and Insignia of
Office,
&c. (2 vols., 1895); J. R. Garstin, Irish State and Civic Maces, &c.
(1898); J. Paton, Scottish Historyand Life (1902); J. H. Buck, Old
Plate
(1903), pp. 124—140; Cripps, Old English Plate (9th ed., 1906),
pp.
394—404; E. Alfred Jones, Old Plate at the Tower of London
(1908); ed., “
Some Historic Silver Maces,” Burlington Magazine (Dec. 1908).
(E. A. J.)
snip
In Salonica, Serres, Kavala, Castoria, and
other towns in southern Macedonia the Hellenic element is strong; in
the northern towns it is insignIficant, except at Melnik, which is
almost exclusively Greek. The Greek rural population extends from the
Thessalian frontier to Castoria and Verria (Beroea); it occupies the
whole Chalcidian peninsula and both banks of the lower Strymon from
Serres to the sea, and from Nigrita on the west to Pravishta on the
east; there are also numerous Greek villages in the Kavala district.
The Mahommedan Greeks, known as Valachides, occupy a
considerable tract in the upper Bistritza valley near Grevena and
Liapsista.
Also
The Slavs ....their great immigration took place in the 6th and
7th centuries. They overran .........driving ....the latinized population
of Macedonia into the highland districts, such as Pindus, Agrapha
and Olympus.
And, thus, the Latinized real Upper Macedonian Greeks are the Greek
Vlach then!
> Macedonia for the True Macedonians.
Complete and utter nonsense, of course, Bulgarian:
Folks, here is the real Macedonia:
http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html
http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa3.jpg
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Maps/mapSeq_Map01.html
http://crystalinks.com/mapgreeceancient.gif
And the real name of the area above Greece inhabited by the West
Bulgarians:
http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm
So, Bulgarian, you were saying?
:)
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
June R Harton
"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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A ti ilindra odi frlise vo crno more mozhi taka ke ti
doijdi umot zoshto nemash nitu razum!
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
...The heart of Real Macedonia was always Greek
David Edenden
Father Tsarknias was a Greek priest for gods sake.
Macedonian leader "Goce" in the Greek Civil War came from a Grkoman family
(Any web site information on him would be appreciated.)
Macedonians are a small nation.
Keep the door open!
Don't turn anyone away!
Don't chase anyone away!
Keep the lines of communication open.
We can't afford to lose the Grkomans and Bugaromans.
"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Jason K Lambrou
David Edenden wrote:
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"David Edenden" <david....@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Silly lies, Bulgar.
Folks, you only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic
majority, like ilindra, Nicholov and Slavko are simply and only West
Bulgarians and have no connection to 'Macedonia' anything and whatsoever:
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
And here:
Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......
http://www.ucc.ie/staff/jprodr/macedonia/macmodnat2.html
Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).
And here:
For fair use only.
http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/documents/ilinden.htm
" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...
...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.
... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...
Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.
The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"
Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV
This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,
and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "
And here:
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/document.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen1.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen2.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/drzhava.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm
http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm
And finally here
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/bitola06.htm
http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid
from: Spirit of Truth