Gotse Delchev
sgeorgio2003
sgeorgio2003
> What about Gotse Delchev ?
I mean,I've heard that he's something like a national hero for your
people but he used to say "We are Bulgarians".
Ilinden
Do you know that Kolokotronis said he is Albanian , yes he is .Your comment;
Todor
Gotse Delchev is a Bulgarian hero and do not try to make him Macedonian now.
sgeorgio2003
> Georgio you said that , not Gotse Delchev,
Wait a second ... is what I said true or not ? It's a simple question!
Gotse Delchev the best Macedonian leader.
If what I said is true then he's the best Bulgarian leader.
> Do you know that Kolokotronis said he is Albanian , yes he is .
I think so but I have to check it out,school years are gone forever
...
Your comment;
My comment is that YOU are trying to prove that your people is a whole
different nationality.So far everybody (or an overwhelming majority if
you prefer) have believed that Macedonians=Greeks.YOU are trying to
prove something different from what is commonly believed.Therefore,YOU
must be able to provide answers to ready questions even with ready
answers,I don't mind.These ready questions are incorporated in Dorian
West's questionnaire.If YOU cannot give _ready answers_ to these
questions,then I suggest that you leave dialogues aside and get your
teeth into something more creative,for example knitting.
Cheers
rikopal
of his life in Peloponese said that he is Albanian!!! but I see all of his
relatives with that name who went to America are stating that they are Greek
at the Ellis island records.
When are you going to stop the bullshit Illindenova??
Ilinden <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F3538B5...@sympatico.ca>...
Ilinden
Nakratzas.
The Close Racial Kinship Between the
Greeks, Bulgarians, and Turks: Macedonia
and Thrace (1999)
Author: Dr. George Nakratzas
Publisher: BATAVIA PRESS, THESSALONIKI
ISBN: 960-85800-4-8 (in English)
Size: 17cm x 24cm (6.7" x 9.4"), 320 pages
To order your copy please contact Dr.
Nakratzas at email: g.nak...@wxs.nl
Also:
Batavia Publications, 1997
P.O. Box 50573
54013 Thessaloniki
Greece
tel. ++30 31 239560
fax. ++31 7868 17300
PREFACE TO THE THIRD EDITION
The sole purpose of the first edition of this book was to give young Greeks another
version of the origins of the modern Greek people, a rather different version, that
runs counter to what has been taught in Greek schools for decades.
As the overtones of the modern Greek nationalist mythology gradually came into
focus, culminating in such nationalist clichés as the assertion that 'the Greek nation
has no kin', that the 'Skopjans' are 'Gypsies', or that the (Former Yugoslav) Republic
of Macedonia is an 'ethnic hotchpotch', I was taken aback, and eventually got down
to writing this, the third edition.
My hopes of doing what I could to set up an opposing force to this rampant
nationalism have not been entirely in vain, considering that something like 3,000
copies have been sold all over the country. For a book of this nature, this is quite an
achievement.
Viewed in the light of the general situation in Europe, Greece's present foreign policy
has shown that the country's modern ideological armour is still very much the product
of a nationalist upbringing, the roots of which go back to somewhere around the
beginning of the nineteenth century. But the nation will never find its way in the
European Union carrying this sort of ideological baggage.
One of the cornerstones of this ideology is the unrealistic theory that the modem
Greeks, expressing as they do the enduring nature of the Greek language, are the
biological descendants of the ancient Greeks. It was concocted in the eighteenth and
nineteenth centuries to serve as an ideological arsenal in the efforts to create a
modern Greek nation in view of the impending collapse of the feudal, theocratic
Ottoman Empire. The philosophical challenge to theocracy as a social model of
governance first emerged, together with the concept of human rights, in
north-western Europe in the sixteenth century, the century of philosophical
humanism that produced Erasmus, Shakespeare, and other great thinkers. In
Greece, 400 years after the theocratic beliefs of the Middle Ages were first
challenged (in 1967, to be precise), there was still talk of 'the Greece of Greek
Christians'; and even today we hear a great deal about 'Greek Orthodox culture' -- a
culture that has never in fact existed as such, being known rather as 'Orthodox
Eastern Roman culture'.
This country's cultural backwardness has been starkly underlined by the efforts of
modern Greek society to use the institution of the European City of Culture
(Thessaloniki in 1997) to vaunt the mediaeval ideal of the Orthodox Eastern Roman
culture of Mount Athos, not only as a historical and cultural facet of the multiethnic
Byzantine Empire, but also as a 'Greek' national and religious heritage. These efforts
may even have been subsidised by the European Union, at a time when sixty per
cent of the population of the Netherlands, one of the most religious countries in
Europe, have officially rejected any form of religious doctrine.
A large segment of modern Greek society, which has never really embarked upon the
process of ideological modernisation, oscillates desperately between modernism and
Greek Orthodox fundamentalism, displaying an inherent inability to make any sort of
ideological distinction between the terms 'race', nationality', and 'cultural or ethnic
identity'. Apart from the fact that even well-respected journalists are engaged in
daily attempts to convince the younger generation that we are directly descended
from 'our ancient forebears', views that go against the theory of 'one race, one
religion, one nation' are regarded as nationally reprehensible. It is on this theory
that most Greeks base their belief that there are no minorities in our country, apart
from the 'Greek Moslems' of Western Thrace. Greek citizens who have publicly
proclaimed that they do not feel like Greeks but like ethnic Macedonians or ethnic
Turks have been pursued and convicted by Greek justice, which just goes to show
that modem Greek society not only fails to show the necessary respect for what is
different, but cannot even tolerate it. And, being in the grip of a virulent
Hellenocentric egomania, this same society, while denying Greek citizens the right to
any ethnic identity other than Greek, constantly exhorts Greeks living in other
countries to preserve their Greek ethnic identity.
Personally, I couldn't care less what race the citizens of modern Greece belong to;
the only purpose of this book is to show, and substantiate with written
documentation, how rotten and historically untenable obsessive nationalism is, in the
hope of infusing as many young people as possible with respect for the right to
self-determination of every Greek citizen and every ethnic group that calls itself a
minority, as long as the country's laws and territorial integrity are respected.
REVIEWS
Review from Nova Zora (No 5, April 1999)
"The writer, Dr George Nakratzas, has produced an exhaustive study of the
settlement, movement, and composition of populations in Macedonia and Thrace in
the last decades of the nineteenth and the first decades of the twentieth century,
based on a wide spectrum of Greek and foreign literature… A perusal of the book
reveals that his aim is to show that in these areas of Greece -- as in the nearby
areas in the neighbouring countries, and, indeed, all over the Balkans -- the racial
make-up of the people living there is varied and ultimately indefinable… So we may
say of this book that, however hard anyone may try to strip it of its merits (and read
it with ill intent), there is one dimension which no reader can ignore or overlook, and
that is its educational aspect. As a responsible citizen, Nakratzas is seeking to
convince his fellow citizens that the racism and nationalism that sometimes carry
them away are underpinned (in whatever overt or covert form) by racial theory,
which in turn is shored up by major interests, immense stupidity, and terrible
psychological complexes. He also wants them to see that only a broad education and
an ever vigilant conscience that is not easily entrapped will protect them from people
trying to secure their commitment to suspect ideas which, whether small or great,
are always atrocious in their devastating consequences."
[Note: In an effort to assist the the Macedonians of Greece with their human rights
struggle Dr. Nakratzas is generously donating the profits from the sale of this
publication to the RAINBOW party .]
Ellinikos Vorras (Thessaloniki, 16 October 1988)
Nakratzas also publishes a multitude of historical facts of which both the general
public and the average student of history were hitherto ignorant. ... And the question
is: do sorcerors' apprentices just get their fingers burnt, or do they light fires?
Ihneftis (Athens, September 1989)
Another recent contribution is a book by George Nakratzas, who, although a doctor
of medicine, nonetheless tackles this difficult subject. The lengthy title of his book
(The Close Ethnological Kinship between the Modem Greeks, Bulgarians, and Turks)
gives an indication of its subject matter. … One wonders whether he means racial
intermingling (mixing of blood, to put it more simply) or mutual cultural influences,
interrelations, and osmosis? If the former (and the numerous historical sources he
quotes prove that it did happen to a considerable extent), then …
Author's note: Despite his lack of charity, Mr. Gousgounis is quite right to take
me to task for using the term 'ethnological.' The sole purpose of my book is
indeed to examine the racial kinship between the Balkan peoples. The mistake
was due to my efforts in 1988 to retaliate to the nationalistic insults that were
being bandied about at the time with regard to the inhabitants of the Republic
of Macedonia ('Skopjan Gypsies,' ethnic hotchpotch,' and similar gems).
Avgi (Athens, 6 June 1993)
Its abundance of systematically quoted sources makes Nakratzas's two-volume work
essential reading for any dispassionate reader who would like to know the true
history of this region, undistorted by nationalist myths.
Neo Vima (Naoussa, 16 January 1997)
We've said it before (of another book) and we'll say it again: whether or not one
agrees with Nakratzas's views, one has to concede that both his book and his
opinions are thoroughly substantiated. Some people may disagree with what he
says, or even be infuriated by it. I think this book will make them think again.
Pavlos Zermias (Greece's Image Abroad, I. Sideris Publications, Athens)
George Nakratzas has written two very noteworthy books in a bid to take a stand
against nationalism and make a contribution to 'the further development of the
ideology of Panbalkan co-operation.' Regardless of whether, or how far, what he has
to say on various specific subjects holds water, he has shown courage and an
independent mind at a time of murderous racial frenzy in the Balkans.
Nea Anatoli (Athens, 26 April 1998)
Nakratzas's study, with its copious historical data, makes an important contribution
to the struggle against nationalism, because its main aim is to demolish one of the
fundamental tenets of Greek chauvinism: namely that the modem Greek nation is
directly, racially descended from ancient Greece. He marshalls some telling evidence
to topple the ideological foundation of chauvinism, the Great Idea, which bears more
responsibility than anything else for the tribulations suffered by this people and this
land.
Anihnefsis (Thessaloniki, March-April 1998)
If [Nakratzas] intended not to write history, but simply something better than a
history book, he's succeeded. …I could never agree with the bigoted, and therefore
stupid, opinion that this book is insignificant. I should say rather that it will be
significant for future historians, with regard not so much to the period to which it
refers, but rather to the period out of which it emerged, i.e., the Greece of the
Balkans in the 'nineties.
Hronos (Komotini, 30 January 1998)
[Nakratzas] wants to inspire as many young people as possible with respect for the
right to self-determination, provided that the laws and the territorial integrity of the
country are respected. He considers it quite unrealistic to suppose that the modern
Greeks, despite the enduring continuity of the Greek language, are directly
descended from the ancient Greeks. This is Nakratzas's general position, and he calls
a number of very important issues into question, inviting all thinking individuals to
join the debate. Three thousand copies of the book have been printed.
Ilinden
Ilinden
rikopal
can publish a book for every bullshit they can think off.
Do you know how many books there were about 17th of November terrorist
group?? Do you know how many theories were written about it?
Do you know that there is a book writing that Andreas Papandreou was
an allien??There are in circulation books that in any other country
would
be considered offensive and the authors traitors.
I know what the proffessors of history are writing about Kolokotronis
who have their reputation in stake and I also know he was a great
Greek leader
that is why he was inprisoned by his enemies.Obviously he is not
around so anybody can write whatever he wants that he
said.Kolokotronis is
not a common name and not a big family in Greece.You can obviously see
from his relatives that they are all stating that they are Greek and
that
they are all coming from Peloponese......
Tell me, by the way ,are allowed books in FYROM telling the historic
true about your race that ofcourse you are Bulgars and nothing to
do whatsover with Macedonians?????
Ilinden <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F381CCF...@sympatico.ca>...
> Rikohead buy this book and you will learn about Kolokotronis the pure Alb
> anian. It is written by the Greek writter
> Nakratzas.
> The Close Racial Kinship
> Between the
> Greeks, Bulgarians, and T
> urks: Macedonia
> and Thrace (1999)
>
> Author: Dr. George Nakrat
> zas
>
> Publisher: BATAVIA PRESS,
> THESSALONIKI
>
> ISBN: 960-85800-4-8 (in E
> nglish)
>
> Size: 17cm x 24cm (6.7" x
> 9.4"), 320 pages
>
>
>
> To order your copy please
> contact Dr.
> Nakratzas at email: g.nak
> rat...@wxs.nl
>
> Also:
>
> Batavia Publications, 199
> 7
> P.O. Box 50573
> 54013 Thessaloniki
> Greece
> tel. ++30 31 239560
> fax. ++31 7868 17300
>
> PREFACE TO THE THIRD EDITION
>
> The sole purpose of the first edition of this book
> was to give young Greeks another
> version of the origins of the modern Greek people,
> a rather different version, that
> runs counter to what has been taught in Greek schoo
> ls for decades.
>
> As the overtones of the modern Greek nationalist my
> thology gradually came into
> focus, culminating in such nationalist clich s as
> ature A perusal of the book
> > Ilinden <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F3538B5.7FC0639D
> @sympatico.ca>...
> > > Georgio you said that , not Gotse Delchev, Gotse Delchev the best Mac
> edonian leader.
> > > Do you know that Kolokotronis said he is Albanian , yes he is .Your c
> omment;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > sgeorgio2003 wrote:
> > >
> > > > sgeorg...@yahoo.com (sgeorgio2003) wrote in message news:<3c8a3b
> 6d.03080906...@posting.google.com>...
Ilinden
Ilinden the Macedonian
WolfWolf
Otherwise it would be like pouring water in a bottomless bucket.
WolfWolf
The European
"Ilinden" <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F381CCF...@sympatico.ca...
Author: Dr. George Nakratzas
Publisher: BATAVIA PRESS, THESSALONIKI
ISBN: 960-85800-4-8 (in English)
Also:
REVIEWS
based on a wide spectrum of Greek and foreign literature. A
perusal of the book
reveals that his aim is to show that in these areas of Greece --
as in the nearby
areas in the neighbouring countries, and, indeed, all over the
Balkans -- the racial
make-up of the people living there is varied and ultimately
indefinable. So we may
gives an indication of its subject matter. . One wonders whether
he means racial
intermingling (mixing of blood, to put it more simply) or mutual
cultural influences,
interrelations, and osmosis? If the former (and the numerous
historical sources he
quotes prove that it did happen to a considerable extent), then
.
history book, he's succeeded. .I could never agree with the
WolfWolf
> According to you. If Goce Delchev was Bulgarian than Maotsedonk is an Italian.
... and Shakespeare was an arab with the original name "Uiliam Sheik Spir".
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
"rikopal" <rik...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Greece like any free country is full of idiots who think they
> can publish a book for every bullshit they can think off.
With the exception that really free countries are not exposed to censorship.
Greek Gov't Mulls TV Censorship
By Derek Gatopoulos
Associated Press Writer
Saturday, Feb. 19, 2000; 1:38 p.m. EST
ATHENS, Greece -- Programmers who allow sexual allegations, scurrilous innuendo and
soap box spouting onto television news in Greece have been put on notice: tone it down
or we'll turn it off.
Government spokesman Dimitris Reppas outlined a presidential decree Friday that says
private channels could be forced to suspend programs, pay fines of up to $1.5 million
and - as a last resort - lose their operating license if they don't adhere to a
bolstered journalistic code.
The measures are the latest attempt to bring some order to the brash frontier of the
Greek airwaves, where five main private stations and 15 or more smaller channels
increasingly dedicate news programs and talk shows to any topic - no matter how flimsy
or scathing the accusations.
But some critics believe the crusade could stifle investigative journalism in a nation
that has seen its share of corruption and major foul-ups, including allegations of
police protection to mobsters and last year's bungled attempt to give sanctuary to
Kurdish rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan.
Commentators have repeatedly warned of a dangerous decline in television standards,
spurred by a ratings battle fueled by sensational news. A man was driven to suicide
several years ago after television sex abuse allegations that never made it to court.
And in December, a private channel aired videotape footage of a Greek pop singer
having sex with an allegedly underage girl.
The government ax dropped after the host of the popular investigative show "Jungle"
said he had evidence of a sex scandal involving a Greek politician and handed a public
prosecutor the material. The penalties for the stations are not new, but the
presidential decree adds unprecedented clout and could lead to the first big
crackdowns on the reporting of sexually-tinged rumors called "pink scandals."
Such televised rumors threatened to "transform our society from one of principle into
a jungle of anarchy." Reppas said.
The latest claims by the host of "Jungle," Makis Triantafiliopoulos, touched off
intense political speculation just seven weeks before general elections.
"Who is he?" asked the populist Athinaiki daily in a giant front page headline
Saturday. Opposition leader Costas Caramanlis urged supporters this week: "Someone is
trying to distract you ... turn away from the 'pink' television screens."
The Alpha channel on Friday announced the indefinite suspension of "Jungle" and its
sister show "Yellow Press."
Supporters of the two programs maintained they had been taken off the air before the
revelations became too damaging to Greece's political establishment. Two years ago,
police corruption scandals exposed by "Yellow Press" spurred the replacement of
Greece's public order minister.
Athinaiki suggested Saturday that the television channel had come under pressure to
cancel the shows.
But the television crackdown was widely applauded.
"A journalist is not a policeman, a prosecutor or a judge and cannot resort to keyhole
reporting," the Athens Journalists' Union said in a statement
Commentators insisted the television ratings race crossed the line long ago.
"It all started with the unrestricted competition in television which led to a down
spiral into the swamp of mud," the Athens daily Eleftherotypia wrote Saturday. "Human
values were swept away, individual rights were ignored and all the rules of ethics
were trodden on."
Ilinden
WolfWolf , I like your comment, so Rikohead get ready for your lobotomy August the 31
-2003 there is an opening for your appointment, get serious you need treatment very soon.
Ilinden
George S. Tsapanos
>According to you. If Goce Delchev was Bulgarian than Maotsedonk is an
>Italian.>Ilinden>
SKOPIAN SLAV look............from the Ellis island archives
1. Christo Delcheff Ditchin, Bulgar 1907 45
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Regards to all ..................L.
"Vlachs, The Autochthonous
Of the Hellenic Peninsula".
++
"George S. Tsapanos" wrote:
There are confused souls in every generation. Probably why the dude
remained unmarried at 45
++
"George S. Tsapanos" wrote:
In all seriousness, and considering the name of the town, the dude
probably was a Bulgarian.
rikopal
This article is about private TV which are owned , most of them, by
big construstion and publish companies in Greece,with their own
interests.Let me remind you that in
Italy ALL private TV channels are ownd by Berlusconni.The same is
happenning
in Spain and in England.
Still you are avoiding the big question: ARE THERE (ALLOWED) BOOKS IN
FYROM
TELLING THE HISTORIC TRUE ABOUT SLAVOSKOPIANS , THAT THEY COME FROM
THE RACE OF BULGARS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH
MACEDONIANS?????
"WolfWolf" <myn...@email.net> wrote in message news:<bhb65p$8s4$1...@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
rikopal
Tell me, are allowed books in FYROM telling the historic
true about your race that ofcourse you are Bulgars and nothing to do
whatsover with Macedonians?????
Ilinden <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F38F75D...@sympatico.ca>...
WolfWolf
scrap.
Berlusconi owns in Italy Mediaset, which includes the country's three biggest private
national TV stations.
Others which do not belong to Berlusconi are:
Cecchi Gori Group: the network runs two national stations, TMC and TMC2
Italia 9 Network
MTV (Music Television Network)
In Spain Berlusconi controls one TV station (TELE 5)
Others which do not belong to Berlusconi are:
ANTENA 3 (first private channel in Spain)
CANAL PLUS (since 1990).
In Britain Berlusconi does not control any of the three major private TV stations
(ITV, Channel 5, Sky TV). Britain's "Berlusconi" is Rupert Murdoch.
Next, the subject is neither Berlusconi nor TV in Italy, Spain or Britain.
It is about TV CENSORSHIP by the Greek government.
What do you say about that, Rikohead? Nothing??? Indifference?????
Last but not least - there is opinion and press freedom in Macedonia (which we suppose
is the state you are referring to). That means that you can write and publish any
stupid idea - you only need to find gullible readers for that. And that's YOUR
problem.
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
"++" <arch...@erols.com> wrote in message news:3F39ED35...@erols.com...
LOL!!!
Or he was divorced and he wanted to get distant from his former wife - in every sense.
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
How many questions are unanswered by YOU, Rikohead???
Instead of answering about TV censorship by the Greek reigme, you come up with
nonsense and totally incorrect assertions about Berlusconi in Italy, Spain, and
Britain.
And what about the passport questions, Rikohead?
Why is Greece constantly violating the Schengen Agreement?
Your obtuse answer ...
WolfWolf
The European
Yannis the Makedonian
..................................
> > SKOPIAN SLAV look............from the Ellis island archives
> > 1. Christo Delcheff Ditchin, Bulgar 1907 45
> > hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> remained unmarried at 45
I counted about 1,5 million confused in FYROPM.
ALL SlavoSkopians !!
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
George S. Tsapanos
>LOL!!!
>Or he was divorced and he wanted to get distant from his former wife - in
>every sense.>
Typical SLAVO-BULGARIAN mentality.
George S. Tsapanos
>There are confused souls in every generation. Probably why the dude
>remained unmarried at 45>
And since before 1991 all those SKOPIANS were known as BULGARS, those SKOPIANS
are confused souls, right?
George S. Tsapanos
>In all seriousness, and considering the name of the town, the dude
>probably was a Bulgarian.>
In all seriousness, were they anything else than BULGARS in SKOPIA-FYROM
before 1991?
WolfWolf
> Harry wrote:
Harry??? Which Harry???
>
> >LOL!!!
> >Or he was divorced and he wanted to get distant from his former wife - in
> >every sense.>
>
> Typical SLAVO-BULGARIAN mentality.
Typical remark of a confused soul.
WolfWolf
The European
++
"George S. Tsapanos" wrote:
> Galina wrote:
>
> >There are confused souls in every generation. Probably why the dude
> >remained unmarried at 45>
>
> And since before 1991 all those SKOPIANS were known as BULGARS, those SKOPIANS
> are confused souls, right?
>
> hahahahahahahahahaha
They weren't and I've amply proven it, through those records at Ellis Island you
dared me to prove it from
++
"George S. Tsapanos" wrote:
> Harry wrote:
>
> >LOL!!!
> >Or he was divorced and he wanted to get distant from his former wife - in
> >every sense.>
>
> Typical SLAVO-BULGARIAN mentality.
How would you know?
rikopal
Fyrom a democratic country?????
Your own president said that"We should built a wall that will seperate as
from the Albanians"
Just last month a bulgarian woman was arrested because she dared to
say in public that there are no "pseudomacedonian" minority in Bulgaria
You still haven't answered my question.Is at least ONE book published
(as there are plenty in Serbia ,Bulgaria and Greece)saying the historic
true about slavoskopians , that they come from the Bulgarian race and
have nothing to do with Macedonians whatsoever????
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rikopal
would they allow
such "books" of friends of yours from "Rainbow" to be published in Athens??
You still haven't answered my question.Is at least ONE book published
(as there are plenty in Serbia ,Bulgaria and Greece)saying the historic
true about slavoskopians , that they come from the Bulgarian race and
have nothing to do with Macedonians whatsoever????
"WolfWolf" <myn...@email.net> wrote in message news:<bhdb5e$ac4$5...@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
Ilinden
Ilinden
WolfWolf
>
> From a democratic country?????
From where else, Rikohead?!?
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
> would they allow
> such "books" of friends of yours from "Rainbow" to be published in Athens??
The fact that some publications know how to evade the censorship doesn't mean that
censorship doesn't exist.
On the contrary - they confirm it.
>
> You still haven't answered my question.
You still haven't read the multiple answers we gave you.
In order to have a summarized overview of where Macedonians came from and how they
developed over the centuries, you should read this:
WolfWolf
The European
George S. Tsapanos
>Harry??? Which Harry???>
You of course, who else.
George S. Tsapanos
>They weren't and I've amply proven it, through those records at Ellis Island
>you>dared me to prove it from>
Yes they were!
In the BULGARIAN villages,They were to the extend of 97% to 99%.
The proof? Just make a CITY-VILLAGE search and then, tell us how many BULGARS
and how many "MAKEDONIANS" from the villages of today's SKOPIA-FYROM.
There were NOT any "Makedonian" villages in those days.
Do you understand NOW why the archives are a CLEAR ANTI-SKOPIAN TRUTH?
Those archives do not lie, and the SAME percentage is valid for the HELLENIC
VILLAGES all the way in PELAGONIA to PRILEP.
And then........we have the SPLIT-UP villages, half Hellenic and half Bulgar,
again with maybe 1%- 3% of........."Makedonians" and equally some "Roumanians"
and as I said all this not since the early days of the archives, meaning that
the GENERIC Makedonian conscience was developed AFTER that BULGAR one.
WolfWolf
> Harry wrote:
>
> >Harry??? Which Harry???>
>
> You
WolfWolf says, "Hi!"
With great amusement
WolfWolf
The European
++
"George S. Tsapanos" wrote:
> Galina wrote:
>
> >They weren't and I've amply proven it, through those records at Ellis Island
> >you>dared me to prove it from>
>
> Yes they were!
> In the BULGARIAN villages,They were to the extend of 97% to 99%.
> The proof? Just make a CITY-VILLAGE search
how does one do a city village search. Can one do a year search?
George S. Tsapanos
>how does one do a city village search. Can one do a year search?
>
Search.....search...........
rikopal
Here is an example:
Is there ,at least ONE book published
(as there are plenty in Serbia ,Bulgaria and Greece)saying the historic
true about slavoskopians , that they come from the Bulgarian race and
have nothing to do with Macedonians whatsoever????
"WolfWolf" <myn...@email.net> wrote in message news:<bhjm2b$326$1...@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
rikopal
> censorship doesn't exist.
> On the contrary - they confirm it.
Evade censorship???? You said that it is freely published and sold in Athens
what else do you want Ottoman??
>
> >
> > You still haven't answered my question.
>
> You still haven't read the multiple answers we gave you.
>
> In order to have a summarized overview of where Macedonians came from and how they
> developed over the centuries, you should read this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jtq0
So you are calling your own Presidents liars!!!!
FYROM's President Gligorov at a interview reported by the Foreign
Information Service, Daily Report, Eastern Europe: "We are Slavs, who came
to this region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the ancient
Macedonians."
FYROM's Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, in her speech on
the present situation in the Balkans: "We do not claim to be descendants of
Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language. Greece is
FYROM's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor".
In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM's
Ambassador to Canada: "We are not related to the northern Greeks who
produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slav people and
our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is
some confusion about the identity of the people of this country".
THERE IS OFCOURSE A POSSIBILITY THAT OTTOMAN TURKS LIKE YOURSELF ARE
DESCENDANTS OF GREAT ALEXANDER IF HE SCREWED SOME OF YOUR WOMEN WHEN
HE WAS IN INDIA........
WolfWolf
Rikohead,
everything which differs from the inhumane practises of the Greek regime is or comes
close to democracy.
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
> > censorship doesn't exist.
> > On the contrary - they confirm it.
>
> Evade censorship???? You said that it is freely published and sold in Athens
Yes, thanks to some brave people, and despite of the censorship pressure.
WolfWolf
The European
rikopal
> Yes, thanks to some brave people, and despite of the censorship pressure.
"Rainbow" propagandists brave??? Hahahaha .They don't even have the courage
to admit that their power is only 3,000 people....
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/jtq0
So you are calling your beloved President Gligorov a liar together with
other politicians??Can you please stick to one theory from where your people
come from because each Fyromian has a different.....
Ilinden
Subject: Demosthenes,Thukididis Herodotus
They said the Macedonians are not Hellenes. Today's Greeks claim that
the ancient Macedonians were Greek. Should we listen to today's Greek
propagandists telling us what happened 2500 years ago, or should we
accept the viewpoint of the ancient Hellenes who clearly stated that the
Macedonians were not Hellenes?
No, even today you cannot believe the Greeks. When the Greeks occupied
Aegean Macedonia in 1913, they began to change peoples' names, place
names and suppressed the Macedonian language in 1936. They did this to
make the Macedonian people look like they are Greek, but they will never
accomplish this. The Macedonians can never be changed into something
else. They will always be Macedonians!
Philip's tomb was found in Macedonian territory not in Sparta. Yet
Greece claims that Philip was a Greek king. What does that tell you
about Greek lies?
Ilinden
WolfWolf
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> "Rainbow" propagandists brave???
More brave than you, rikohead.
WolfWolf
The European
rikopal
You don't even have the courage to say that you are an Ottoman Turk
You are a disgrace of your own people together with the Slavoskopians
who have no courage to admit that they are Bulgars
"WolfWolf" <myn...@email.net> wrote in message news:<bhu9ug$iv$5...@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
rikopal
and Herodotus said about how Greek Macedonians were...
here are the translations just for you:
http://truth.macedonia.gr/quotes.html
I give you some:
Herodotus confirms that the Macedonians were people of Greek origin
(Histories of Herodotus Book 5, paragraph 22.1)
"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they
themselves say, I myself chance to know and will prove it in the later
part of my history.That they are so has been already adjudged by those
who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at Olympia. "
And later on (Book 8, paragraph 137.1) he verifies it:
"This Alexander was seventh in descent from Perdiccas, who got for
himself the tyranny of Macedonia in the way that I will show. Three
brothers of the lineage of Temenus came as banished men from Argos to
Illyria, Gauanes and Aeropus and Perdiccas; and from Illyria they
crossed over into the highlands of Macedonia till they came to the
town Lebaea."
Also in the very first book of his "Histories" (paragraph 56.3 )
Herodotus states about the origin of the the Greek people :
"For in the days of king Deucalion it inhabited the land of Phthia,
then the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus, in the time
of Dorus son of Hellen; driven from this Histiaean country by the
Cadmeans, it settled about Pindus in the territory called Macedonian;
from there again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia
into the Peloponnese, where it took the name of Dorian."
Thoukididis also verifies that the Macedonian kings' origin was from
the Greek town of Argos (Book 2, 99.3):
"The country on the sea coast, now called Macedonia, was first
acquired by Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his ancestors,
originally Temenids from Argos."
The only one who said "barbarians" the Macedonians was Dimosthenes
and you know what , he wasn't even a historian , he was just
Great Alexander's political enemy......
This for the uneducated like you Ilindenova
You are calling your President a liar???
FYROM's President Gligorov at a interview reported by the Foreign
Information Service, Daily Report, Eastern Europe: "We are Slavs, who
came
to this region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the
ancient
Macedonians."
FYROM's Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, in her speech
on
the present situation in the Balkans: "We do not claim to be
descendants of
Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language. Greece
is
FYROM's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor".
In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM's
Ambassador to Canada: "We are not related to the northern Greeks who
produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slav
people and
our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented
"there is
some confusion about the identity of the people of this country".
Ilinden <ili...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F4277F0...@sympatico.ca>...
WolfWolf
>
> You don't even have the courage to say that you are an Ottoman Turk
You don't even have the courage to admit what everybody knows - that you're a lying
prick.
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
> You cannot speak Greek
You cannot speak Macedonian, H2OHEAD, but who gives a rat's ass?!?
WolfWolf
The European