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Macedonians in Bulgaria - Census data

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Macedon

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:09:52 PM4/29/06
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After annexation of Macedonia in 1913 the part of Macedonia which went under
the Bulgarian rule was 6798 km2 with 156,458 inhabitans. This number
increased to 186,167 in the period of 1926-1928 out of which 96%, therefore
178,000, were ethnic Macedonians(according to the Serbian committee of Int
Fed of Helsinki Human right).

In December 1946 the Bulgarian census registered 252,908 ethnic Macedonians
in Pirin Macedonia. In Petrich 85-90% were Macedonians, Sveti Vrach 80-85%,
Nevrokop 60-65%, Razlog 55-60, Gorna Dzumaja 45-50%. The total of 70% of
Pirin Macedonia declared as ethnic Macedonians in 1946.

In December 1956 census, 187,789 people from Pirin Macedonia declared as
ethnic Macedonians, or 63.7% of the population in the Pirin.

In the 1965 census, Bulgaria forbids declaration on the ethnic grounds and
decides to deny the ethnic rights of Macedonians in Pirin.

Since Bulgaria still denies Macedonians in Bulgaria their basic human
rights, the current number of Macedonians living in Bulgaria is
contradictory. According to the Greek committee of Int Fed of Helsinki Human
right, the current number of Macedonans living in Bulgaria can range from
10,800 (Bulgarian sources) up to 200,000 (Macedonian sources). I hope we
will finally receive the real numbers soon.

Lerinets

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Apr 29, 2006, 10:44:05 PM4/29/06
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Dear Macedon,

It is a shame for a citizen of a free and democratic country - that you
purport to be - to disseminate racist and communist propaganda. And
this is precisely what you are doing. You are repeating the lies and
fabrications of the Greater Serbia chauvinists, Stalin's Comintern,
Tito's Yugoslavia's communists as well as Bulgaria's reds.

You are revealing yourself as being ignorant - or pretending to be so -
of the TRUTH about Macedonia and its inhabitants.

Please think twice before spewing low-grade and ludicrous Bulgarophobic
propaganda.

/BTW, my grandparents were IM(A)RO activists in Southern Macedonia.
They called themselves Bulgarians and spoke a Bulgarian dialect. One of
them (born in 1867 and died in 1922) has been a close associate of
Gotse Delchev's, his fellow ethnic Bulgarian from the region of
Macedonia./

Regards to all TRUTH lovers from

Chris Lerinski - an American descendant of Macedonian Bulgarians from
Lerin=Florina

Lerinets

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:07:45 PM4/29/06
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Dear confused fellow poster Macedon,

According to the last Bulgarian census of 2 1/2 years ago, the
population of the country was close to 7,900,000. Citizens were
completely free to identify themselves ethnicity-wise any way they
preferred. About 4,400 opted to call themselves "ethnic Macedonians."
About half of the people who used this self-ascription reside in Pirin
Macedonia (the province of Blagoevgrad in SW Bulgaria), whose
population is about 275,000.

Over 1,600,000 of the ethnic Bulgarians in Bulgaria (and Bulgarians
constitute 83 % of the total number of its inhabitants) are residents
of the province of Blagoevgrad plus emigrants or descendants of
emigrants from different sections of Macedonia outside Bulgaria's
borders. That is 1,600,000 of the ethnic Bulgarians inside Bulgaria are
associated with Macedonia in one or another way. They would be insulted
if you referred to them as "ethnic Macedonians."

Regards to all TRUTH lovers from

Chris Lerinski - an American descendant of ethnic Bulgarians from
Florina=Lerin

Macedon

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:12:17 PM4/29/06
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Dear Chris, the figures posted here are official and they have been reported
by Bulgaria. One of the international human right organisations, as well as
the rest of us, was puzzled with the official Bulgarian policy for the
Macedonians, 20 years of recognition followed by repression.

If you are descendent of anything close to Macedonia, you would be proud
Macedonian and would NEVER use the Greek insulting reference to refer to
your ancestors heritage.


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Ilinden

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:30:04 PM4/29/06
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Bugaroman do the Macedonians in Pirin Macedonia have any Macedonian
schools? How about human rights?

Macedon

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Apr 30, 2006, 3:41:09 AM4/30/06
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Chris, you and I live in a free and democratic country with much older
democracy than Macedonia or Bulgaria. Macedonians in Australia and USA have
primary, secondary schools in Macedonian, university degree in Macedonian,
Macedonian churches, organisations, welfare centres, retirement houses,
Macedonian child care centres, they have right for interpreters, translators
etc etc. Everything a civilised country can offer, Macedonians in USA and
Australia have. We want the same for our brothers and sisters in Bulgaria
and Greece, the only two countries in the world that don't recognise
Macedonian ethnicity, language and Church. The census you are refering can
not be correct because Bulgaria does not recognise anything Macedonian. One
Macedonian from Pirin gave an interview for the Australian SBS Radio this
week and it is clear they are not living the paradise dream in Pirin. Those
people need BASIC rights that you and I have.

If you are from Lerin, I can argue that you are not Bulgarian, but if you do
feel as Bulgarian, that is your decision and I have respect for your
decision. The problem is if an official has no respect for your ethnic
beliefs, and thats what happens in Bulgaria and Greece and that is what will
have to change. Believe me, it will.


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Istor the Macedonian

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Apr 30, 2006, 6:16:56 AM4/30/06
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How does Bulgaria distinguish those "Macedonian" from other Bulgarians?


In Greece we ask them to say Thessaloniki. If they say Solun they are
not Macedonian. Are we right ??

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek

Macedon

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Apr 30, 2006, 9:09:19 AM4/30/06
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In every civilised country you simply ask them what nationality they belong
and accept their answer. Very simple. You distinguish based on personal
peoples believe, not how they pronounce certain cities.

During the Bulgarian census in '46 and '56 there was a specific column
"Macedonian" where Macedonians could have ticked. And they did. The figures
listed here are official. Unfortunately we don't have official figures after
Bulgaria denied Macedonians in Pirin their basic human rights.


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