How can you tell if you are a "Slavophone Greek"
David Edenden
Yannis
> How can you tell if you are a "Slavophone Greek"
> You have an uncle named Boris!
You have an uncle named Tatarcheff !!
What is Macedonian on you bre tikvar ??
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
David Edenden
What exactly are you trying to say?
Should I be using the term "Slavophone Macedonian" or
"Slavomacedonian"?
Do you deny that there are "slavophone Greeks" who are named "Boris".
I know for a fact that there are.
Are you either?
I always block Greek spammers for obvious reasons. I will be reading
all posts on this issue. I am genuinely interested. I would like to
know how real Greeks describe those who ethnic Macedonians call
Grkomans. Are they still called "slavomacedonians", bilinguals,
"slavic speakers". I am talking about those who are pro-Greek. Are
these "slavophones" proud of their language or ashamed. Would you let
your sister marry one?
Yannis
> > > How can you tell if you are a "Slavophone Greek"
> > > You have an uncle named Boris!
> >
> > You have an uncle named Tatarcheff !!
> > What is Macedonian on you bre tikvar ??
> > Yannis
> > Macedonia, Greece
>
> What exactly are you trying to say?
> Should I be using the term "Slavophone Macedonian" or
> "Slavomacedonian"?
Greek SlavoSkopian is the right term.
> Do you deny that there are "slavophone Greeks" who are named "Boris".
> I know for a fact that there are.
Really? What is Greek on them ??
> Are you either?
No. I am a Macedonian, that is Greek, like ALLLL Macedonians always
were.
> I always block Greek spammers for obvious reasons. I will be reading
> all posts on this issue. I am genuinely interested. I would like to
> know how real Greeks describe those who ethnic Macedonians call
> Grkomans. Are they still called "slavomacedonians", bilinguals,
Ethnic Macedonias?? What is this ??
If the term Macedonian has any ethnic meaning then this is Greek.
The term Macedonian my fiend is not for speculation. Macedonians made
it clear: It always meant a Greek from Macedonia.
If you refer to the Greek SlavoSkopians they are calle here just
Skopians.
> "slavic speakers". I am talking about those who are pro-Greek. Are
> these "slavophones" proud of their language or ashamed. Would you let
> your sister marry one?
They really could be very proud of being bilinguals but you
SlavoSkopians humiliate them and deny their Greekness. Then they
pretend to be ahsamed of their second language and usually hide it.
Of course I would goven them my sister! They are Greeks.
They know very well what Macedonian means and they may every day visit
Aigai museum to force their Greekness.
You see they call the first capital of Macedonia with its old first
name : Aigai, that is not Kutlesh !
Can you expalin to me how come a Macedonian could call its capital
Kutlesh ??
IDIOTS !!
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
June R Harton
> What exactly are you trying to say?
Simple, Bulgar....
Folks, you only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic
majority, like the poster above, his family, ilindra, Nicholov and Slavko
are simply and only West Bulgarians and have no connection to 'Macedonia'
anything and never did despite their constant lies.
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
And here:
Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......
http://www.ucc.ie/staff/jprodr/macedonia/macmodnat2.html
Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).
And here:
For fair use only.
http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/documents/ilinden.htm
" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...
...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.
... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...
Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.
The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"
Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV
This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,
and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "
And here:
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/document.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen1.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen2.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/drzhava.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm
http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm
And finally here
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/bitola06.htm
http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!