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Vasko Makedonski

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Dec 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/9/99
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It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =

>Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is
written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.

This encyclopedia is nothing more than racist, pure and simple. It is
evidenced above that this notorious publication is anti-Macedonian to
the core. Firstly, it presents the heritage of those who call themselves
Macedonians as being Slavs as a matter of fact while it does not inform
the readers that Macedonians claim they have a mixed heritage of Slavic
and ancient Macedonian heritage (while it does include the claim of the
Shiptars (Albanians) in Macedonia that they the descendants of
Illyrians). Secondly, it presents as a fact the theory that the Shiptars
who are in Macedonia are older settlers in Macedonias than the Slavs.
This is utter nonsense. The Shiptars in Macedonia are the descendants of
colonialists from Kosovo who were encouraged to settle in Macedonia by
the Turks during the Turkish occupation of Macedonia. Testimony to this
is the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Albanians in Macedonia
speak the northern Albanian dialect and many have relatives in Kosovo.
This colonialist migration was fairly recent and is akin to the
Spaniards, Britains, French, Germans, Dutch etc who colonised other
parts of the world. The Shiptar colonialists who came to Macedonia
harassed repeatedly the Macedonian populations of north-western
Macedonia. As the Macedonians got fed up and moved farther south the
Shiptars moved in. Thirdly, the oldest surviving *pure* people of
ancient Macedonia are the Vlachs. Needless to say that if the Shiptars
were in Macedonia for as long as the Vlachs then they would be speaking
a Romance language like the Vlachs or a Slavic one.

Vasko Makedonski

LET THE SUN SHINE OVER A FREE AND UNITED MACEDONIA

DEATH TO THE FOUR *EMPIRES OCCUPYING MACEDONIAN SOIL

*BULGARIA, GREECE, SERBIA, ALBANIA


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Jacovito

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Ο Vasko Makedonski έγραψε στο μήνυμα <82o2cr$rea$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
>
>>Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
>Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
>centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is
>written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
>significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
>these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
>claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.
>

The above passage sounds about right. Albanians although not prooved
it is very likely they are decentants of Illyrians who are there long before
Slavs arrived. What is wrong with this ?
Your language is closer to Bulgarian rather than Albanian or
Macedonian-Greek (Doric Dialect).

So there you are !

Giakoumis

June R Harton

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Dec 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/9/99
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Vasko Voulgarski wrote a bunch of hogwash:

> > It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
> >Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
> >Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
> > centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is
> > written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
> > significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
> >these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
> >claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.

" This encyclopedia is nothing more than racist, pure and simple."

What asses you Fyromian revisionists are!

"It is evidenced above that this notorious publication is anti-Macedonian
to
the core. Firstly, it presents the heritage of those who call themselves
Macedonians as being Slavs as a matter of fact while it does not inform
the readers that Macedonians claim they have a mixed heritage of Slavic

and ancient Macedonian heritage..........."

Nonsense. A 'claim' which is a lie like that one, is obviously disguarded
by sane people.


Rest of your nonsense deleted.


from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!

..........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek

Vasko Makedonski

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> >It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
> >
> >>Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
> >Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
> >centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and
is
> >written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
> >significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
> >these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
> >claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.
> >
>
> The above passage sounds about right. Albanians although not prooved
> it is very likely they are decentants of Illyrians who are there long
before
> Slavs arrived. What is wrong with this ?

What is wrong? It is not the truth. That is what is wrong. It is the
Vlachs in Macedonia which it can be said of that they are the
descendants of the Ancient Macedonians/Illyrians.

Vasko Makedonski

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In article <82q1ic$7omq$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>,

"June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>
> Vasko Voulgarski wrote a bunch of hogwash:
>
> > > It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
> > >Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants
of
> > >Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
> > > centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian
and is
> > > written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however,
are
> > > significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous
of
> > >these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians,
who
> > >claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.
>
> " This encyclopedia is nothing more than racist, pure and simple."
>
> What asses you Fyromian revisionists are!
>
> "It is evidenced above that this notorious publication is
anti-Macedonian
> to
> the core. Firstly, it presents the heritage of those who call
themselves
> Macedonians as being Slavs as a matter of fact while it does not
inform
> the readers that Macedonians claim they have a mixed heritage of
Slavic
> and ancient Macedonian heritage..........."
>
> Nonsense. A 'claim' which is a lie like that one, is obviously
disguarded
> by sane people.

Dont forget that you Greekkks also "claim" that you are the descendants
of the Hellenes while this has never been proven. More accurately the
people who call themselves Greekkks have, if any, significantly diluted
Hellene blood (while some Greekkks may have pure Hellene heritage).

KOMIS (Count)

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The whole world conspired against the glory of Makedonkeys. The English are
known anti-Makedonkeys and they want to promote Greeks instead of them.
Moreover almost all the historians have conspired against Makedonkeys and
they call them Slavs.
The only people on earth that know the truth, are the Makedonkeys who are
descedants of ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great.
Go make a science fiction movie. You seem better than Spielberg
Komis

ili...@sympatico.ca

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KOMIS (Cunt) wrote:

> The whole world conspired against the glory of Makedonkeys. The English are

> known anti-Makedonkeys and they want to promoteFTCOGIANS instead of them.


> Moreover almost all the historians have conspired against Makedonkeys and

> they call them MACEDONIANS MACEDONIANS NOT INDO-EUROPEAN-GREKI


> The only people on earth that know the truth, are the Makedonkeys who are
> descedants of ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great.
> Go make a science fiction movie. You seem better than Spielberg

> Komis FROM THE FTCOG


June R Harton

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Vasko Voulgarski wrote
> Dont forget that you Greeks also "claim" that you are the descendants

> of the Hellenes while this has never been proven.
> More accurately the people who call themselves Greeks have, if any,
> significantly diluted Hellene blood (while some Greeks may have pure
> Hellene heritage).
 
This is the situation per a recent historian:
 
"The fact that the rehellinization of Greece was succesful, through
recolonization and the cultural activities of the church, suggests that the
Slavs found themselves in the midst of many Greeks. It is doubtful that
such large numbers could have been transplanted into Greece in
the ninth century; thus there were surely had been many Greeks
remaining in Greece throughout the period of Slavic occupation.
This success in rehellenization also suggests that the number of
Slavs in Greece was far smaller than the numbers found in what
is now Yugoslavia and Bulgaria."

John VA Fine, "The Early Mediaval Balkans", Michigan, 1991
 
 
You are nonsensically ignoring that the Fyromland 
was inundated with Slavs, so that you _can_ recognize them,
and 'they' are 'you'. The Dardanians and Paeonians disappeared
under the inundation.
 
See?

Radeff

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>The whole world conspired against the glory of Makedonkeys. The English are
>known anti-Makedonkeys and they want to promote Greeks instead of them.

>Moreover almost all the historians have conspired against Makedonkeys and
>they call them Slavs.

>The only people on earth that know the truth, are the Makedonkeys who are
>descedants of ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great.
>Go make a science fiction movie. You seem better than Spielberg
>Komis

Now this sort of usage of the word, Macedonian, insults all Macedonians.

You, therefore, have no claim to the word, right? That is, unless, you will
embrace your version.

Those Slavs did go far and wide.

At this time, I will wait until you make your claim as to bing either a Greek
Macedonian or a Bulgar and then I will give you what you want in your own very
ancient background.
HRA


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Jacovito, Albanians are Turk-Slav-Italian clones(or clowns). They have
nothing to do with Illyrians. Illyrians marks have been lost many many
centuries ago.

Avatar
The glory of Greece(Hellas) may shine on you.

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>
> Ο Vasko Makedonski έγραψε στο μήνυμα <82o2cr$rea$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

> >It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
> >
> >>Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
> >Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
> >centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is
> >written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
> >significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
> >these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
> >claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.
> >
>

> The above passage sounds about right. Albanians although not prooved
> it is very likely they are decentants of Illyrians who are there long
before
> Slavs arrived. What is wrong with this ?

June R Harton

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Bob wrote

> You see the point ? Just because an encyclopedia says something -
> it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
> information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
> others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.
> Regards, Bob Sims

Well, Bobby, thank you for your imput.

However, since the articles we have posted here, from there, are
authenticated by every other reference we have posted your
kind and authoritative impulses here are unnecessary.

Thank you anyway.

from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!

...............The heart of Macedonia was always Greek

Bob

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Dec 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/14/99
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You are perfectly correct in suggesting that "Encyclopedia Brittanica" is
full of propaganda. Most encyclopedias are ! Producing an
encyclopedia (which is supposed to be an authoritative source of
information which is beyond question) which contains biased or subtly
inaccurate information is a very old method of brain washing people -
especially, of course, children.

You should understand, however, that the so-called "Brittanica" is no
longer under British control. It is now owned and controlled by the
Americans. Many of the entries in it appear to have been lifted
unchanged from much earlier publications, and I personally never
refer to it at all.

What is and is not included is also a matter of propaganda. I was
bought a MacMillans Enclopedia, which contains lengthy items on
American singers - but excludes references to very important
British scientists and discoverers - and makes condescending references
to major events in world history involving the British.

In a recent outrage, the so-called European Union (The Franco-German
Axis) produced a history book which made no reference to the
defeat of Napolean at Waterloo or of the defeat of the Spanish
Amada by Lord Nelson. It just suited them to pretend that these
things never happened.

You see the point ? Just because an encyclopedia says something -
it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.

Regards, Bob Sims
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Vasko Makedonski wrote:

> It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
>
> >Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
> Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
> centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is
> written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
> significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
> these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
> claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.
>

> This encyclopedia is nothing more than racist, pure and simple. It is


> evidenced above that this notorious publication is anti-Macedonian to
> the core.

(snip)


tiny

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"Bob" <b...@bscserv.com>
wrote in message news:3855909A...@bscserv.com...

<fu set>

> In a recent outrage, the so-called European Union (The Franco-German
> Axis) produced a history book which made no reference to the
> defeat of Napolean at Waterloo or of the defeat of the Spanish
> Amada by Lord Nelson. It just suited them to pretend that these
> things never happened.
>
> You see the point ? Just because an encyclopedia says something -
> it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
> information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
> others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.

I see the point of an encyclopaedia as to answer the questions a reasonable
proportion of your audience are going to want answered. So, adjusting the
responses to suit the market is therefore not only reasonable but necessary.

Paul Hyett

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bob <b...@bscserv.com> stated this considered view.
To keep the thread going, I replied -

> Just because an encyclopedia says something -
>it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
>information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
>others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.

What if other sources agree with it, does that mean they are all lying
or all true?

I dare say for you, the Encyclopaedia Bobsimsia is the only definitive
source. :)
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

Bob

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June R Harton wrote:

> Bob wrote
>
> > You see the point ? Just because an encyclopedia says something -


> > it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
> > information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
> > others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.

> > Regards, Bob Sims
>
> Well, Bobby, thank you for your imput.
>
> However, since the articles we have posted here, from there, are
> authenticated by every other reference we have posted your
> kind and authoritative impulses here are unnecessary.
>
> Thank you anyway.
>
> from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
> ...............The heart of Macedonia was always Greek

---------------------------------------------------------------------

The arrogance and rudeness of Greek posters in this newsgroup is
becoming noticeable. Have you by any chance ever met Kit Spanos ?

You Greeks are not making yourselves a lot of friends in the UK.

As for the heart of the annexed Macedonia being Greek, I think the
Macedonians, like the Cypriots, have a rather different idea !

Bob Sims
------------------------------------------------------------------

Bob

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Paul Hyett wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bob <b...@bscserv.com> stated this considered view.
> To keep the thread going, I replied -
>

> > Just because an encyclopedia says something -
> >it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
> >information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
> >others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.
>

> What if other sources agree with it, does that mean they are all lying
> or all true?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Clearly if all the other sources agree, then, short of conducting your
own original research, you must accept that this is correct, or at
least that is a common concensus.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

> I dare say for you, the Encyclopaedia Bobsimsia is the only definitive
> source. :)
> --
> Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Perish the thought ! :-)

June R Harton

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Bob wrote

> As for the heart of the annexed Macedonia being Greek,
> I think the Macedonians

I think you are getting confused again.

tiny

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"June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net>
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> Bob wrote

> > As for the heart of the annexed Macedonia being Greek,
> > I think the Macedonians
>
> I think you are getting confused again.
>
> Thank you anyway.

Greeks have this thing about claiming Macedonian ancestry.
Probably because of one particularly pretty boy.

Vasko Makedonski

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Bob wrote =

> You are perfectly correct in suggesting that "Encyclopedia Brittanica"
is
> full of propaganda. Most encyclopedias are ! Producing an
> encyclopedia (which is supposed to be an authoritative source of
> information which is beyond question) which contains biased or subtly
> inaccurate information is a very old method of brain washing people -
> especially, of course, children.
>
> You should understand, however, that the so-called "Brittanica" is no
> longer under British control. It is now owned and controlled by the
> Americans. Many of the entries in it appear to have been lifted
> unchanged from much earlier publications, and I personally never
> refer to it at all.
>
> What is and is not included is also a matter of propaganda. I was
> bought a MacMillans Enclopedia, which contains lengthy items on
> American singers - but excludes references to very important
> British scientists and discoverers - and makes condescending
references
> to major events in world history involving the British.
>

> In a recent outrage, the so-called European Union (The Franco-German
> Axis) produced a history book which made no reference to the
> defeat of Napolean at Waterloo or of the defeat of the Spanish
> Amada by Lord Nelson. It just suited them to pretend that these
> things never happened.
>

> You see the point ? Just because an encyclopedia says something -


> it does not mean that it is true - or important. Never take your
> information or opinion from only one source. Cross check it with
> others - or you will be (yet another) victim of misinformation.
>

> Regards, Bob Sims

I cannot disagree with you. It is a shame that the ignorant masses
accept encyclopedias as being truthful and apolitical. More strength to
your right (or left) hand.

Pozdrav (Regards),

Paul Hyett

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bob <b...@bscserv.com> stated this considered view.
To keep the thread going, I replied -
>
>>
>> What if other sources agree with it, does that mean they are all lying
>> or all true?

>Clearly if all the other sources agree, then, short of conducting your


>own original research, you must accept that this is correct, or at
>least that is a common concensus.

The problem arises if someone becomes unshakeably convinced that their
pov is correct, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

In this situation, they will become extremely selective with their
sources, and take statements out of context in an illegitimate attempt
to support their position. When challenged, they refuse to reveal
sources in an attempt to cover their deception.

Sound familiar? :)

Bruce Tober

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>encyclopedia (which is supposed to be an authoritative source of
>information which is beyond question)

Authoritative, yes. Beyond question, I've never heard any encyclopaedia
company make that claim. Can you cite one?

>Americans. Many of the entries in it appear to have been lifted
>unchanged from much earlier publications, and I personally never
>refer to it at all.

Nor do I. Experts feel the last really great edition of EB was either
the 11th or 14th (can't recall, perhaps both) produced around the turn
of the current century.

As for encyclopaedias which have a UK bias, ie were written, edited,
produced in the UK, try the World Book. Yes, I know it's an American
publication, but there is (or was) a UK version entirely produced here
with editorial offices in London and based on the UK national
curriculum.

And no, I don't work for the company, although I once very happily did.

- --
Bruce Tober - Working from home...

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Cliff Morrison

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In article <cjtPufDG...@pgc-assoc.demon.co.uk>, Bruce Tober
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> Bruce Tober - Working from home...

welcome back!

Paul Hyett

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On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Bruce Tober <t...@pgc-assoc.demon.co.uk> stated this

considered view. To keep the thread going, I replied -
>
>As for encyclopaedias which have a UK bias, ie were written, edited,
>produced in the UK, try the World Book. Yes, I know it's an American
>publication, but there is (or was) a UK version entirely produced here
>with editorial offices in London and based on the UK national
>curriculum.
>
>And no, I don't work for the company, although I once very happily did.
>
Hi Bruce, long time no hear!

BER...@webtv.net

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It is written thus in Encyclopedia Britannica =
Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of
Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th
centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is
written in the Cyrillic script. Among the Macedonians, however, are
significant minorities of much older settlers. The most numerous of
these (more than one-fifth of the population) are the Albanians, who
claim to be descendants of the ancient Illyrians.

HA HA HA HA AH HE HE HE FUCK YOU ASSHOLE THIS ASSHOLE WROTE THE
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RACIST BOOK FUCK YOU
AGAIN

This encyclopedia is nothing more than racist, pure and simple. It is
evidenced above that this notorious publication is anti-Macedonian to

the core. Firstly, it presents the heritage of those who call themselves
Macedonians as being Slavs as a matter of fact while it does not inform
the readers that Macedonians claim they have a mixed heritage of Slavic

and ancient Macedonian heritage (while it does include the claim of the
Shiptars (Albanians) in Macedonia that they the descendants of
Illyrians). Secondly, it presents as a fact the theory that the Shiptars
who are in Macedonia are older settlers in Macedonias than the Slavs.
This is utter nonsense. The Shiptars in Macedonia are the descendants of
colonialists from Kosovo who were encouraged to settle in Macedonia by
the Turks during the Turkish occupation of Macedonia. Testimony to this
is the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Albanians in Macedonia
speak the northern Albanian dialect and many have relatives in Kosovo.
This colonialist migration was fairly recent and is akin to the
Spaniards, Britains, French, Germans, Dutch etc who colonised other
parts of the world. The Shiptar colonialists who came to Macedonia
harassed repeatedly the Macedonian populations of north-western
Macedonia. As the Macedonians got fed up and moved farther south the
Shiptars moved in. Thirdly, the oldest surviving *pure* people of
ancient Macedonia are the Vlachs. Needless to say that if the Shiptars
were in Macedonia for as long as the Vlachs then they would be speaking
a Romance language like the Vlachs or a Slavic one.

Bruce Tober

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Thanks. Hopefully a little more often than recently but not much. I've
got a real life again.

--

Bruce Tober - Working from home...

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Bruce Tober

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Hi, been involved in a new relationship and it's going well.

Bill Nicholov

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Paul Hyett wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bob <b...@bscserv.com> stated this considered view.


> To keep the thread going, I replied -
> >
> >>

> >> What if other sources agree with it, does that mean they are all lying
> >> or all true?
>
> >Clearly if all the other sources agree, then, short of conducting your
> >own original research, you must accept that this is correct, or at
> >least that is a common concensus.
>
> The problem arises if someone becomes unshakeably convinced that their
> pov is correct, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
>
> In this situation, they will become extremely selective with their
> sources, and take statements out of context in an illegitimate attempt
> to support their position. When challenged, they refuse to reveal
> sources in an attempt to cover their deception.
>
> Sound familiar? :)

> --
> Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

I haven't been paying attention to this thread but your statement above
describes the Greeks perfectly. (Maybe you can clarify what you meant) Greeks
deny that their are ethnic minorities in their country and that human rights
abuses are frequent. They'll constantly try to discredit anyone that
disagrees with the official Greek position and manipulate the same old quotes
(almost always from Greeks) in their attempts to "prove" their point. It's
very difficult to engage in a serious discussion with people that are in
denial.

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija


John Alep

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Greece is allowing any human been to refer to the Court of Human Rights of
European Counsil agaisd her for violations of Human Rights !!!
John Alep
Macedonia, Greece


Bill Nicholov <nich...@sympatico.ca>

June R Harton

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Bill Nicholov wrote


> Paul Hyett wrote:
> > The problem arises if someone becomes unshakeably convinced that their
> > pov is correct, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
> >
> > In this situation, they will become extremely selective with their
> > sources, and take statements out of context in an illegitimate attempt
> > to support their position. When challenged, they refuse to reveal
> > sources in an attempt to cover their deception.
> >
> > Sound familiar? :)
> > --
> > Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

> I haven't been paying attention to this thread but your statement above
> describes the Greeks perfectly.

You should of done, nicholov as you got it wrong AGAIN!

:)

He was describing the likes of the fYROMian revisionism, which
ignores all historical and current data, and perverts the very meaning
of facts.

Bill Nicholov

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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Many have taken their cases to the European Court of Human Rights and Greece has
lost MANY times. Should you be proud of this?

John Alep wrote:

> Greece is allowing any human been to refer to the Court of Human Rights of
> European Counsil agaisd her for violations of Human Rights !!!
> John Alep
> Macedonia, Greece
>
> Bill Nicholov <nich...@sympatico.ca>

> > I haven't been paying attention to this thread but your statement above

June R Harton

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Bill Nicholov wrote


> Many have taken their cases to the European Court of Human Rights
> and Greece has lost MANY times. Should you be proud of this?


He is telling you that Greece is a democracy and respects the rights
of individuals unlike you, Mr. Nicholov:


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Nicholov
>Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
>Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 7:50 PM
>Subject: Greece - Clock ticking to division by 3 nations
>>Greece will lose Aegean Macedonia to the Macedonians,
>>Thrace and Cyprus to urkey and Epirus to Albania.
>>What will you so-called Greeks have left?
>>Your little rock called Athens, which is 50% Albanian.
>>Bill Nicholov
>>Macedonia for the Macedonians

And, folks, this Nicholov character runs the
"'Macedonian' Human Rights Movement of Canada"

So much for his human rights activities!

Bill Nicholov

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The European Court of Human Rights is an avenue for individuals whose
rights HAVEN'T been respected. Your logic is typical of a Greek
propagandist.

June R Harton

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Bill Nicholov wrote


> The European Court of Human Rights is an avenue for individuals whose
> rights HAVEN'T been respected. Your logic is typical of a Greek
> propagandist.


Civil proceedings are a normal necessary part of any democracy.
If what you said was true Britain would thus qualify as a fascist state
(which it isn't) for the number of times it has been taken before the
same court. Your anti-Greek propaganda is well known, Mr Nicholov,
and your hellenophobia too.

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Dec 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/22/99
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YOU are in denial Bill. We have proofs that Macedonia is Greek. What do you
have? Stupid books written by your propaganda masters "scientists"? You are
so pathetic!
Just tell me which minority we ignore and IF there is one I'll go out and
scream "Greeks are filths". But God and History will never give you such
satisfaction Slav pig!

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The glory of Greece(Hellas) may shine on you.


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>
>
> Paul Hyett wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bob <b...@bscserv.com> stated this considered view.
> > To keep the thread going, I replied -
> > >
> > >>
> > >> What if other sources agree with it, does that mean they are all
lying
> > >> or all true?
> >
> > >Clearly if all the other sources agree, then, short of conducting your
> > >own original research, you must accept that this is correct, or at
> > >least that is a common concensus.
> >

> > The problem arises if someone becomes unshakeably convinced that their
> > pov is correct, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
> >
> > In this situation, they will become extremely selective with their
> > sources, and take statements out of context in an illegitimate attempt
> > to support their position. When challenged, they refuse to reveal
> > sources in an attempt to cover their deception.
> >
> > Sound familiar? :)
> > --
> > Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
>

> I haven't been paying attention to this thread but your statement above
> describes the Greeks perfectly. (Maybe you can clarify what you meant)
Greeks
> deny that their are ethnic minorities in their country and that human
rights
> abuses are frequent. They'll constantly try to discredit anyone that
> disagrees with the official Greek position and manipulate the same old
quotes
> (almost always from Greeks) in their attempts to "prove" their point. It's
> very difficult to engage in a serious discussion with people that are in
> denial.
>

> Bill Nicholov
>
> Macedonia for the Macedonians

> http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija
>

Bill Nicholov

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Just re-read what you wrote and tell me again who is in denial. You're a typical
Greek racist.

Josif Grezlovski

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Bill,
that greek boy is brainless, clueless greek malaka.
not even a single neuron in his cranium.
Opa, wind in and wind out.........

Bill Nicholov wrote in message <38624A1A...@sympatico.ca>...

June R Harton

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Bill Nicholov the human rights nothing AND racist (want proof?) wrote:

> Just re-read what you wrote and tell me again who is in denial.

I did and it is _you_ that is in denial old fellow:


4,951 people do NOT make up a 'minority' in political terms
when it is only _POINT_ ZERO FIVE % of the population.
And the 4,951 votes not only included all the 'get out the vote'
Fyromians in Greece, but also the gays and communists!


Lyngos wrote:

And here they are 100 out of 100.

18,625 voting places out of 18,625 or 100 %.

Register...................................9,555,326
Voted........................................6,712,584
Valid ballots.............................6,428,696
Non Valid ballots........................150,537.....2,24%
White...........................................133,451....1,99%


Rainbow Party received : 4,951
or for better .........................0,051 if you compare it with the
registered voters,
or...........................................0,073 if you compare it
with the people that they voted.

That's it SKOPIANS............4,951
I am afraid you are not going to be able to rename Thessaloniki as
Solun.


Regards to all ................L.


:)


So FILTHY WILLY, GET LOST!

from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!

.........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek

June R Harton

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Folks, in dealing with these propagandists, like Josif , we have
found that their words almost always describe themselves
not the person that is the object of their communication.

Case in point:

Josif Grezlovski wrote


> Bill,
> that greek boy is brainless, clueless greek malaka.
> not even a single neuron in his cranium.
> Opa, wind in and wind out.........

:)

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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If racist means to defend your name and your history then YES I am a racist!

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Ptolemaida
Macedonia, Greece

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> Bill,
> that greek boy is brainless, clueless greek malaka.
> not even a single neuron in his cranium.
> Opa, wind in and wind out.........
>

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