Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
Anonymous
Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
Beginning on April 21, KVEA TV, a Spanish language television station
in Los Angeles, started airing "Al Norte del Corazon," a soap opera
about going north to America. The first episode ends with the show's
hero saying: "We have to protect our nation. We're going to take
justice in our own hands."
Shortly after its debut on Mexican television in February, "Al Norte
del Corazon," became the most watched programs in the country,
claiming 25 million viewers nightly.
"Al Norte del Corazon" depicts U.S. Border Patrol agents as viscous
brutes who regularly rape and beat innocent illegal aliens, who are
are characterized as romantic pilgrims.
This slick piece of Mexican propaganda, which is now airing in Los
Angeles, is designed to encourage Mexicans to take the law into their
own hands. There is no doubt that it contributes to the increased
violence at the border.
Add to that the soap "You Are a Dream," put out by the Mexican
government , and you have a dynamic duo of jingoism working on the
Mexican psyche.
The crisis at the border will escalate and finally end in an all-out
conflict which will reach into Los Angeles.
Glenn Spencer
Voice of Citizens Together
Andrew Harger
Anonymous <nob...@REPLAY.COM> wrote in article
<1997052712...@basement.replay.com>...
> Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
> Beginning on April 21, KVEA TV, a Spanish language television station
> in Los Angeles, started airing "Al Norte del Corazon," a soap opera
> about going north to America.
(snip)
> This slick piece of Mexican propaganda, which is now airing in Los
> Angeles, is designed to encourage Mexicans to take the law into their
> own hands. There is no doubt that it contributes to the increased
> violence at the border.
(snip)
> Glenn Spencer
> Voice of Citizens Together
So what should be done? Should we ban this propaganda from the U.S.? That
can't be done - see U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1. Even if it does
"contribute to the increased violence at the border," using your logic, 95%
of all other t.v. shows would harm society in some way. It make me wonder
why you aren't complaining about television in general rather than just one
show. Is it because this way allows you to perpetuate your racist
stereotypes while fooling yourself into believing you are a patriot?
-andy
Glen Swaim
In article <01bc6a92$a23b5c60$1086d6cc@default>, "Andrew Harger"
>So what should be done? Should we ban this propaganda from the U.S.? That
>can't be done - see U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1. Even if it does
>"contribute to the increased violence at the border," using your logic, 95%
>of all other t.v. shows would harm society in some way. It make me wonder
>why you aren't complaining about television in general rather than just one
>show. Is it because this way allows you to perpetuate your racist
>stereotypes while fooling yourself into believing you are a patriot?
>
>-andy
rights daily. Why then should they not trample on the First Amendment?
People seem to support them taking away the 2nd. Bet they would yell like
crazy if they tried it on the 1st.
Eric Pinnell
Andrew Harger wrote:
>
> So what should be done? Should we ban this propaganda from the U.S.? That
> can't be done - see U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1. Even if it does
> "contribute to the increased violence at the border," using your logic, 95%
> of all other t.v. shows would harm society in some way. It make me wonder
> why you aren't complaining about television in general rather than just one
> show. Is it because this way allows you to perpetuate your racist
> stereotypes while fooling yourself into believing you are a patriot?
>
> -andy
Andy,
I haven't seen the soap opera in question, but I have read quite
a few web pages written by mexican nationalists whose goal, is quite,
frankly, to return to the SouthWest US to Mexico. Not only are they
openly doing this, but are forming paramilitary groups as well.
Check out www.impact2000.com and see what I mean.
As for the shootings, they are quite real. It's the third incident
in less than a month, I believe.
Eric Pinnell
Hal G Mayer
Andrew Harger wrote:
> Anonymous <nob...@REPLAY.COM> wrote in article
> <1997052712...@basement.replay.com>...
> > Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
>
> > Beginning on April 21, KVEA TV, a Spanish language
> television station
> > in Los Angeles, started airing "Al Norte del Corazon," a
> soap opera
> > about going north to America.
> (snip)
> > This slick piece of Mexican propaganda, which is now
> airing in Los
> > Angeles, is designed to encourage Mexicans to take the
> law into their
> > own hands. There is no doubt that it contributes to the
> increased
> > violence at the border.
> (snip)
> > Glenn Spencer
> > Voice of Citizens Together
>
> So what should be done? Should we ban this propaganda
> from the U.S.?
> That can't be done - see U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1.
> Even if it does
> "contribute to the increased violence at the border,"
> using your logic, 95%
> of all other t.v. shows would harm society in some way.
> It make me wonder
> why you aren't complaining about television in general
> rather than just one
> show. Is it because this way allows you to perpetuate
> your racist
> stereotypes while fooling yourself into believing you are
> a patriot?
>
> -andy
Hi, people --
I have now read three messages about this "border war," but
nowhere in these three messages do I see any attempt at
offering a serious solution. Or is it that arguing about a
thing is more important than the thing itself?
I believe what we must do, is bring enough resources to bear
as to make it possible to enforce the laws we have now. We
don't need new ones, and we don't need People Propositions
in California, either.
The current law of this land is that crossing our borders
without authorization is a felony, and the usual punishment
is immediate deportation. Those illegal persons who are at
this time not in custody, must be rounded up by any means
possible and deported forthwith. Any child born in the US to
an illegal person cannot be a citizen because of the felony
of that illegal person.
This means that we can deport thousands of people all at
once. Because of this, we must re-negotiate the NAFTA (North
American Free Trade Agreement) with Mexico, so that the
Mexican government agrees to bear the responsibility to
clothe, house, and feed these deportees. Once Mexico has to
bear the full effect of its tacit approval of illegal border
crossing, it will be in its own interest to keep illegal
persons from crossing into the US.
I am a legal immigrant to this wonderful country. I had to
jump through many hoops to get here in a law-abiding manner.
I cannot condone others who flaunt our laws to the detriment
of others who seek to come here legally. In my book, the
idea that anything goes as long as you get away with it, is
caveman justice and does not belong into a modern society.
If my solutions above seem excessively harsh, it is because
that's the only way that law-abiding citizens of this
country can make a point of re-asserting their freedom of
choice -- it is our right to chose who should be here and
who should not! hgm
Nick Hull
In article <338BE9F9...@pe.net>, Hal G Mayer <image...@pe.net> wrote:
...
> I have now read three messages about this "border war," but
> nowhere in these three messages do I see any attempt at
> offering a serious solution. Or is it that arguing about a
> thing is more important than the thing itself?
Maybe we need our own soap opera showing trophy hunters bagging the
wetbacks as they come across. Maybe that would discourage some.
--
Free men own guns - slaves don't <http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/>
gloc...@aol.com nh...@mindspring.com
Michael Zarlenga
Hal G Mayer (image...@pe.net) wrote:
: I have now read three messages about this "border war," but
: nowhere in these three messages do I see any attempt at
: offering a serious solution. Or is it that arguing about a
Well, a start would be to STOP giving illegal aliens free school,
free routine medical care, free welfare, etc.
Oh, wait, we can't do that ... El Presidente won't allow it.
: I am a legal immigrant to this wonderful country. I had to
: jump through many hoops to get here in a law-abiding manner.
: I cannot condone others who flaunt our laws to the detriment
I think the word you want is "flout," not "flaunt."
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key
Jim Moore, author ("Very Special Agents"), ex-ATF agent, caught lying
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Lucas D Sawyer
May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
Peter H. Proctor
In article <Pine.A32.3.95.970528...@atlas.vcu.edu> Lucas D Sawyer <s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu> writes:
>From: Lucas D Sawyer <s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu>
>Subject: Re: Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
>Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:15:40 -0400
> May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
>Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
Hey, we stole it fair and square <G>. Besides, the original natives (
especially the Commanches ) had their own ideas about who "owned" the place.
The Commanch' always claimed that the only reason they tolerated even a
minimal white presence ( either Mexican or Anglo ) was to have somebody around
to raise horses for them to steal <g>.
Dr. P
James E. Burdine
In article <Pine.A32.3.95.970528...@atlas.vcu.edu>, Lucas
D Sawyer <s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu> wrote:
> May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
>Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
It wasn't stollen, it was bought and payed for with the blood of fighting
men, as well as with cash(grated at the point of a gun). The Spanish stole
it from the indians, the Mexicans took it from the Spanish Europeans, and
we took it away from them. There were a number of reasons for it, not all
of them admirable. The fact is we defeated them in warfare and wound up
with most of the Southwest. We didn't go south of the Rio Grande after
that period of time though we could have. ( well except for when Pancho
Villa decided to raid the Texas border towns, but then we didn't go there
to stay) So they are illegals, and we aren't.
--
LV.Nv
Jim B.
Michael Zarlenga
Lucas D Sawyer (s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu) wrote:
: May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
: Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
So what? The Mexicans stole it from the Incas and Aztecs.
Can you point to ONE single parcel of land that has not ever
been "stolen" thoughout history?
When you can, maybe your point will become clear.
Lone_Wolf
In <Pine.A32.3.95.970528...@atlas.vcu.edu> Lucas D Sawyer <s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu> writes:
# May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
#Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
Of course, by that reasoning, anyone with any European/African/Asian heritage
is an illegal alien, since most of North and South America was stolen by
the Europeans. Unless you exempt those with Native American ancestry to go
along with their European ancestry, which suddenly legalizes a large portion
of the US population...
James
Scout
Why, don't we just stop fooling around. Put up a fence at the border, plant AP
mines, ect behind it, then place another fence behind that. The liberal's
would scream bloddy murder, put no one is putting them at risk except
themselves.
Second, less 'nasty' suggestion, why not deport these aliens to Mexico's
southern border? We have to deport them to their country of orgin, but why
make it so easy for them to return the next night?
--
- Scout
.
A well read electorate being necessary to the advancement of
a free society, the right of the people to keep and read
books shall not be infringed.
.
Who has the rights, and in what manner can they be expressed?
Foetus
Hal G Mayer wrote:
>
. Any child born in the US to
> an illegal person cannot be a citizen because of the felony
> of that illegal person.
Not True. But usually the kid is sent back to wherever the parent came
from. The kid has dual citizenship until age 18, when (s)he can decide
whether to live in the US or not.
Foetus
Hal G Mayer
Lucas D Sawyer wrote:
> May I remind you that the entire south west was
> stolen from
> Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
Hal Mayer sez:
...And whom did Mexico steal the Southwest from? Why, the
Indians, of course. Carrying your chain of theft back to its
beginnings, we should yust have one big gambling casino in
the southwest that stretches from Texas to the West Coast,
and from the Alamo to Phoenix. Now, wouldn't that be
something! That way the Mexicans and the Gringos could be
friends again, and take turns losing their money in the
Indian casino. hgm
PS: is "Indian" still O.K., or should it be "Native
Americans"? I really don't want to offend ANYBODY. It's
really tough out here in the desert.
ELMORE DANIEL JAMES
zarl...@conan.ids.net (Michael Zarlenga) writes:
>Hal G Mayer (image...@pe.net) wrote:
>: I have now read three messages about this "border war," but
>: nowhere in these three messages do I see any attempt at
>: offering a serious solution. Or is it that arguing about a
>Well, a start would be to STOP giving illegal aliens free school,
>free routine medical care, free welfare, etc.
If you want to find the illegals and deport them, then that is
what I suggest you do. However, simply cutting off their routine medical
care could easily backfire and wind up costing more money when their
condition turns serious and requires emergency medicine. Unless you want
to cut that off as well. I don't know about you, but I have little or no
desire to see people dying on the streets.
Cutting off education is an even worse idea. Deport them, educate
then, or see them in prison. The first doesn't seem to be working, the
third is FAR more expensive. I'd say that the second is the best bet.
Jim in Boulder
Joe Sylvester
In article <5mf5fp$f...@tsunami.traveller.com>, rgs...@hiwaay.net says...
>The Federal Government is getting away with trampling on our Second Amendment
>rights daily. Why then should they not trample on the First Amendment?
>People seem to support them taking away the 2nd. Bet they would yell like
>crazy if they tried it on the 1st.
What do you mean *if*. Heard of the Communications Decency Act, or all sorts
of rules and regs which allow trampling of your 4th amendment rights, if your
papers and effects happen to be in electronic form.
--
The Second Amendment is the RESET button
of the United States Constitution.
---Doug McKay" <mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Joe Sylvester
Don't Tread On Me !
Joe Sylvester
In article <5miget$jfv$4...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, wpl...@vt.edu says...
>
>Why, don't we just stop fooling around. Put up a fence at the border, plant
AP
>mines, ect behind it, then place another fence behind that. The liberal's
>would scream bloddy murder, put no one is putting them at risk except
>themselves.
>
>Second, less 'nasty' suggestion, why not deport these aliens to Mexico's
>southern border? We have to deport them to their country of orgin, but why
>make it so easy for them to return the next night?
That would be cruel. Many of the folks, particularly those of Mayan ancestory,
who live in Southern Mexico, are not what you would call fond of the
Northerners. Extreme southern Mexico, the Yucatan in particular, wasn't even
a part of Mexico until the 1860 and 1870s. Makes me happy that the ancestors
of my exchange students, were not Mexicans when those living in what is now
Texas, were rebellious Mexicanos, nor when the U.S. and Mexico fought a war a
few years later. (I'll bet those old Yucatan folks didn't like Generalisimo
Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana any better than the Texicans did)
Someone
wpl...@vt.edu (Scout) wrote:
>Why, don't we just stop fooling around. Put up a fence at the border, plant AP
>mines, ect behind it, then place another fence behind that. The liberal's
>would scream bloddy murder, put no one is putting them at risk except
>themselves.
>Second, less 'nasty' suggestion, why not deport these aliens to Mexico's
>southern border? We have to deport them to their country of orgin, but why
>make it so easy for them to return the next night?
Now there's a unique idea! If we made it hard enough for them, maybe
they wouldn't be so eager to flood over here. I live on that border
and it's becoming downright dangerous here!
Anonymous
Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
Beginning on April 21, KVEA TV, a Spanish language television station
in Los Angeles, started airing "Al Norte del Corazon," a soap opera
about going north to America. The first episode ends with the show's
hero saying: "We have to protect our nation. We're going to take
justice in our own hands."
Shortly after its debut on Mexican television in February, "Al Norte
del Corazon," became the most watched programs in the country,
claiming 25 million viewers nightly.
"Al Norte del Corazon" depicts U.S. Border Patrol agents as viscous
brutes who regularly rape and beat innocent illegal aliens, who are
are characterized as romantic pilgrims.
This slick piece of Mexican propaganda, which is now airing in Los
Angeles, is designed to encourage Mexicans to take the law into their
own hands. There is no doubt that it contributes to the increased
violence at the border.
Add to that the soap "You Are a Dream," put out by the Mexican
government , and you have a dynamic duo of jingoism working on the
Mexican psyche.
The crisis at the border will escalate and finally end in an all-out
conflict which will reach into Los Angeles.
Glenn Spencer
Voice of Citizens Together
James F Cornwall
Lucas D Sawyer (s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu) wrote:
: May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
: Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
Well, since I don't recall the Mexican gov't demanding its return, I'd
say they have accepted the current borders. That being so, our
immigration laws begin applying to those folks right at the time they
cross the current border. Whether the annexation of those lands was
"legal" under the international laws of the time is another matter -
they are accepted borders NOW.
Jim C.
Eric Pinnell
Scout wrote:
>
> Why, don't we just stop fooling around. Put up a fence at the border, plant AP
> mines, ect behind it, then place another fence behind that. The liberal's
> would scream bloddy murder, put no one is putting them at risk except
> themselves.
Actually, for 14 miles along San Diego, they did erect a brand new
concrete
wall, which is curved towards the Mexican border. So far, the Mexicans
do not
try to cross this fence. It cost a little under a million bucks a mile
to put
up. To do the entire border would be $2 billion, which is less than one
third
of what California spends in one year to pay for hte health care and
education
of illegals.
> Second, less 'nasty' suggestion, why not deport these aliens to Mexico's
> southern border? We have to deport them to their country of orgin, but why
> make it so easy for them to return the next night?
>
> --
> - Scout
Deportation is not mucnh of a discouragement. It also won't work
without
a wall along the ENTIRE border.
Eric Pinnell
Eric Pinnell
Lucas D Sawyer wrote:
>
> May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
> Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
May I remind you that Mexico attacked the US, and as a result,
legally gave up some of its territory in 1848 to the US? Now who's the
illegal?
Eric Pinnell
Philip Peake
Eric Pinnell wrote:
>
> Scout wrote:
>
> > Second, less 'nasty' suggestion, why not deport these aliens to Mexico's
> > southern border? We have to deport them to their country of orgin, but why
> > make it so easy for them to return the next night?
> >
> > --
> > - Scout
>
> Deportation is not mucnh of a discouragement. It also won't work
> without
> a wall along the ENTIRE border.
I don't think you read this carefully - he is suggesting deporting them
via Guatemala,
the sothernmost border of Mexic, something like 3000 miles from the
border where
they crossed.
It would be a long walk back home ... and that might actually be
something of a discouraging factor.
Philip
James E. Burdine
One might also remember that just as many Tex mex people were members of
the army of the Texas revolution as there were anglo's. More than one Juan
or Jesus died at Goliad and the Alimo at the hands of Santa Anna's
soldiers/
--
LV.Nv
Jim B.
Robert Mooberry
Was Isreal stolen from the Arabs who first stole it from the Isrealites
who stole it from whatever the name of the people who where there first?
Stole? I thought we beat the crap out of Mexico in a war for the south
west. We waged a different type of war to take other land from the
Indians. I don't think a war for land and theft are the same thing. I
haven't looked either up in my dictionary lately thou.
--
Robert
Ex USAF Security Policeman and Registered Nurse
TS-1 #650039
The Democrat party!
The best government MONEY CAN BUY!
The efforts at gun control in our cities are like scientists
attempting to declaw and detooth rats in a too crowded cage in an
attempt to keep them from eating each other alive.
Joe Sylvester
In article <338DDE...@vogon.rain.com>, phi...@vogon.rain.com says...
>
>I don't think you read this carefully - he is suggesting deporting them
>via Guatemala,
>the sothernmost border of Mexic, something like 3000 miles from the
>border where
>they crossed.
>
>It would be a long walk back home ... and that might actually be
>something of a discouraging factor.
So? Mexico does have trains and buses you know. Airplanes too, but those are
bit too expensive for the folks in question. Lower class fares on buses and
trains are likely within their reach. Couple days, three max and they're right
back on the border again.
Joe Sylvester
In article <jburdine-290...@ip31.las-vegas.nv.pub-ip.psi.net>,
jbur...@pipeline.com says...
Indeed Texas Independence was bought with the blood of Texicans and Tejanos
alike. (Isn't Tex-Mex a style of cuisine, rather than a type of person?)
Peter H. Proctor
In article <338DC9...@ibm.net> Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net> writes:
>Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:25:01 -0400
>From: Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net>
>Subject: Re: Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
>Lucas D Sawyer wrote:
>>
>> May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
>> Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
> May I remind you that Mexico attacked the US, and as a result,
>legally gave up some of its territory in 1848 to the US? Now who's the
>illegal?
Actually, Mexico had pretty good claims to the land south of Corpus
Christi ( the Neuces Strip ). Also, Mexico had never acknowledged the
indepedence of Texas and had even fought the odd skirmish with the Texas
Republic, so technically the US was annexing Mexican territory. US troops
goaded them to attack around Brownsville by invading territory they had a
legitimate ( if contested ) claim too.
Dr. P
Peter H. Proctor
In article <jburdine-290...@ip31.las-vegas.nv.pub-ip.psi.net> jbur...@pipeline.com (James E. Burdine) writes:
>From: jbur...@pipeline.com (James E. Burdine)
>Subject: Re: Why Mexicans are shooting at the Border Patrol
>One might also remember that just as many Tex mex people were members of
>the army of the Texas revolution as there were anglo's. More than one Juan
>or Jesus died at Goliad and the Alimo at the hands of Santa Anna's
>soldiers/
The Texas revolution started off as just one more of a series of
regional revolts against the overthrow of the Mexician constitution of 1826 by
Sant Anna. As such, it had many hispanic supporters ( we were all
Mexicans then ). The Anglos ( many of whom were came in for the fight ) just
sort of took it over.
Dr. P
Dr. P
Eric Pinnell
Philip Peake wrote:
>
> Eric Pinnell wrote:
> >
> > Scout wrote:
> >
> > > Second, less 'nasty' suggestion, why not deport these aliens to Mexico's
> > > southern border? We have to deport them to their country of orgin, but why
> > > make it so easy for them to return the next night?
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Scout
> >
> > Deportation is not mucnh of a discouragement. It also won't work
> > without
> > a wall along the ENTIRE border.
>
> via Guatemala,
> the sothernmost border of Mexic, something like 3000 miles from the
> border where
> they crossed.
>
> It would be a long walk back home ... and that might actually be
> something of a discouraging factor.
>
How long do you think it will take the Mexican government to set
up a free shuttle service from Guatemala back to the border north? And
do you have any idea how much money it would take to ship people to
southern Mexico?
Eric Pinnell
Jim Puglia
Joe Sylvester wrote:
> >It would be a long walk back home ... and that might actually be
> >something of a discouraging factor.
>
> So? Mexico does have trains and buses you know. Airplanes too, but those are
> bit too expensive for the folks in question. Lower class fares on buses and
> trains are likely within their reach. Couple days, three max and they're right
> back on the border again.
>
Not only that, but a LARGE number of them ARE guatamaltecos,
hondure~os, salvadore~os, etc... Why wouldn't they come back. This is
supposed to be the land of the free but it seems like these foreigners
are about the only ones that DO beleive in freedom. If the American
free market can absorb these people, why not? If it can't, they'll
starve.
--
J. Nick Puglia
White Mountains of Arizona
(though currently still stuck in Phoenix)
What's the difference between a Northern girl and a Southern girl?
Northern girl says "You can." Southern girl says "Y'all can."
Survival Force
I think Dad had the best idea several years ago. First time you catch
them you give them a bus trip back to Mexico. Second time you catch
them you give them a plane trip back to Mexico City. Third time you
catch them you give them a plane trip back to Mexico City and kick
their damn asses out of the plane at 10,000 ft without a parachute!
There is no fourth trip.
Anybody has any trouble with that....tough shit!
James E. Burdine
In article <jburdine-290...@ip31.las-vegas.nv.pub-ip.psi.net>,
jbur...@pipeline.com says...
>
Indeed Texas Independence was bought with the blood of Texicans and Tejanos
alike. (Isn't Tex-Mex a style of cuisine, rather than a type of person?)
--
Well yea it's a type of cuisine and a dialect.
--
LV.Nv
Jim B.
Michael Zarlenga
ELMORE DANIEL JAMES (elm...@rastro.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: >Well, a start would be to STOP giving illegal aliens free school,
: >free routine medical care, free welfare, etc.
: If you want to find the illegals and deport them, then that is
: what I suggest you do. However, simply cutting off their routine medical
Deportation is even better. But, before we deport them, we ought to
remove some incentive for crossing the border in the first place :
free welfare, routine medical care, school ...
"A start" is how I began my suggestion.
: Cutting off education is an even worse idea. Deport them, educate
: then, or see them in prison. The first doesn't seem to be working, the
Hunh? Won't their education be cut off when they're deported?
Why is cutting it off a month before any worse?
Jim Puglia
>
> Oh you are a ripe one, aren't you! Let me get this right, the U.S.
> cowardly stole California, Arizona, Texas, Nevada, Utah, and part of
> Wyoming from Mexico just after Mexico stole not only the American
> southwest from the native american population, but also Mexico proper
> from the Aztecs and the Yucatan from the Mayans...........I guess
> there really is no honor among thieves.
>
> +++++++++++++++ End of Post ++++++++++++++++++
This would of course make MUCH more sense if Mexico had even been a
country when there was an Aztec Empire. Also, didn't the Mayan Empire
fall apart even before the Spanish came??? Most Mexicans are descended
from Indians, so now we're saying that these Aztecs stole land from
Aztecs?
Michael Zarlenga
Eric Pinnell (epi...@ibm.net) wrote:
: > I don't think you read this carefully - he is suggesting deporting
: > them via Guatemala, the sothernmost border of Mexico, something like
: > 3000 miles from the border where they crossed.
: How long do you think it will take the Mexican government to set
: up a free shuttle service from Guatemala back to the border north? And
Good point.
For those who brag about all the great, free social programs Canada
has, and lament that we should do the same, I suggest we set up a free
shuttle service from the Southeastern US/Mexico border to the North-
eastern US/Canada border and let the pro-Canadians see just how finan-
cially devastating mass, uncontrolled immigration of poor, unskilled
people can be to a "progressive" (i.e. "lots of free stuff for those
unwilling to work") country like Canada.
Let *them* provide food, shelter, school, routine health care, etc.,
to 1,000,000 illegal immigrants every year.
grabby
On 31 May 1997 08:30:00 -0700, Jim Puglia <av...@primenet.com> wrote:
>> Oh you are a ripe one, aren't you! Let me get this right, the U.S.
>> cowardly stole California, Arizona, Texas, Nevada, Utah, and part of
>> Wyoming from Mexico just after Mexico stole not only the American
>> southwest from the native american population, but also Mexico proper
>> from the Aztecs and the Yucatan from the Mayans...........I guess
>> there really is no honor among thieves.
>country when there was an Aztec Empire. Also, didn't the Mayan Empire
>fall apart even before the Spanish came??? Most Mexicans are descended
>from Indians, so now we're saying that these Aztecs stole land from
>Aztecs?
>--
>J. Nick Puglia
I luv this kinda sh*t. children, nobody owns nothin, get it ?
All you've ever got is what you can take and hold.
When someone else wants it and can take it, it's theirs til you get it
back.
WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, DREAMERS ?
Eric Pinnell
Yeah. Canada is *SUCH* a Utopia (heavy sarcasm). Gee, if you're in
the
top income tax bracket, and spend your income on buy clothes, food, etc
at
the store, you'd have spent over 2/3s of your total income in taxes.
Yep.
A real paradise this country is... NOT!
Eric Pinnell
Natural Born Cereal Killer
Lucas D Sawyer <s2ld...@atlas.vcu.edu> writes:
> May I remind you that the entire south west was stolen from
>Mexico,now who is an illegal alien,
And they stole it fair and square from the American Indians,
who probably stole it fair and square from the Aztecs. Heck, we in
the USA stole the damn *moon* from it's rightful owners by the simple
task of placing a flag on it. I don't hear anybody bitching because
the Mexicans didn't get a fair shot at that bit of territory, though.
Who owns territory is entirely dependent upon who can
claim it and fight off attempts at that claim. According to Mormon
beliefs as written in the Book of Mormon, the whole place actually
belongs to the Lamanites, but I haven't heard of Mexico calling
Salt Lake City and offering any sort of compensation. Odd, that.
--
* Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 ASSHOLE #35 vik...@probe.net *
* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
GETALIFE
On Fri, 30 May 1997 10:33:56 -0400, Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net>
wrote:
>
> How long do you think it will take the Mexican government to set
>up a free shuttle service from Guatemala back to the border north? And
>southern Mexico?
>
>Eric Pinnell
As if this fun fantasy bus ride really addresses the issue of the US
bordering on a third-world/developing country. (Cute, but no cigar...)
C'mon, courage now Eric... in yer crusty ol' heart of hearts, wouldn't
yuh rather just shoot 'em all? Y'know... as in: *final solution?*
...or should we, (with the help of <gulp!> NAFTA,) gradually try to
raise them to our own economic standard?
I guess the real question is whether we should meet the inevitable
matter of economic globalization squarely, or should we be dragged
along, kicking and screaming(?)
"It's all right captain, they're just pixels." -Mr. Spock
GETALIFE
On Sat, 31 May 1997 21:05:07 GMT, gr...@hold.com (grabby) wrote:
>
>I luv this kinda sh*t. children, nobody owns nothin, get it ?
>All you've ever got is what you can take and hold.
>When someone else wants it and can take it, it's theirs til you get it
>back.
>WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, DREAMERS ?
>
>
<I'm gonna try for partial credit here:>
The murderous avarice?
"It's a great life if you don't weaken." -An Alberta Cowboy
GETALIFE
On Fri, 30 May 1997 19:42:24 -0600, Survival Force <surv...@tcd.net>
wrote:
***
You're obviously of the "final solution" school of thought.
<a-and right out of fantasy land, too.>
Richie
If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
will keep coming since the they will work longer & harder for lower wages
than US citizens. They come here for the jobs. No illegals & prices
will rise.
Richie in Texas
Cary Kittrell
In article <33973010...@news.execpc.com> pho...@execpc.com (GETALIFE) writes:
<On Sat, 31 May 1997 21:05:07 GMT, gr...@hold.com (grabby) wrote:
<>
<>I luv this kinda sh*t. children, nobody owns nothin, get it ?
<>All you've ever got is what you can take and hold.
<>When someone else wants it and can take it, it's theirs til you get it
<>back.
<>WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, DREAMERS ?
<>
<>
<***
<<I'm gonna try for partial credit here:>
<
<The murderous avarice?
you're wasting pearls, GETALIFE, wasting pearls.
--
cary kittrell The Truth is out there.
steward observatory mirror lab But the X-files are more fun.
university of arizona
Eric Pinnell
GETALIFE wrote:
> As if this fun fantasy bus ride really addresses the issue of the US
> bordering on a third-world/developing country. (Cute, but no cigar...)
No, it was meant to illustrate a point. Deportation will not stop
illegals from trying again. Only the threat of prison and/or violent
death would stop the flow.
> C'mon, courage now Eric... in yer crusty ol' heart of hearts, wouldn't
> yuh rather just shoot 'em all? Y'know... as in: *final solution?*
The ideal solution would be a complete wall designed to keep illegals
from geting over the border easily. Razor wire would work wonders in
reducing the flow to a manageable level.
>
> ...or should we, (with the help of <gulp!> NAFTA,) gradually try to
> raise them to our own economic standard?
No, Mexico's problems are Mexico's.
>
> I guess the real question is whether we should meet the inevitable
> matter of economic globalization squarely, or should we be dragged
> along, kicking and screaming(?)
> "It's all right captain, they're just pixels." -Mr. Spock
The US should seal the border with Mexico by building a fence. Note
that India and South Africa have border fences to deal with their
immigration problems.
Eric Pinnell
GETALIFE
On Fri, 30 May 1997 10:33:56 -0400, Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net>
wrote:
>
> How long do you think it will take the Mexican government to set
>up a free shuttle service from Guatemala back to the border north? And
>do you have any idea how much money it would take to ship people to
>southern Mexico?
>
>Eric Pinnell
***
bordering on a third-world/developing country. (Cute, but no cigar...)
C'mon, courage now Eric... in yer crusty ol' heart of hearts, wouldn't
yuh rather just shoot 'em all? Y'know... as in: *final solution?*
...or should we, (with the help of <gulp!> NAFTA,) gradually try to
raise them to our own economic standard?
I guess the real question is whether we should meet the inevitable
Arne Carlsten
Richie <"nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net> wrote:
: If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
Shush...
Someone's gonna get pissed if you keep talking like that. Dang wetbacks,
taking all the good cinder-block-toting and grease-trap-cleaning jobs way
from us real 'Mericans.
--
Arne Gustav Carlsten
Flagstaff, Arizona
Chomh da/na le muc...
GETALIFE
Michael Zarlenga
Richie ("nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net) wrote:
: If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
: construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
Legal migrant workers.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key
"What the hell kind o'country is this where you can only hate
a man if he's white?" Hank Hill
Louis Boyd
Arne Carlsten wrote:
>
> Richie <"nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net> wrote:
> : If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
> : construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
> : than US citizens. They come here for the jobs. No illegals & prices
> : will rise.
>
> Shush...
>
> Someone's gonna get pissed if you keep talking like that. Dang wetbacks,
> taking all the good cinder-block-toting and grease-trap-cleaning jobs way
> from us real 'Mericans.
>
paid to
U.S. worker if you look at it from the standpoint of spendable take home
pay.
After all of the taxes, social security, workmans comp etc etc etc which
goes
to our inflated government and payments to able but non productive
wellfare
recipients there's not much left for the employee. His dollers get
taxed again
every time he buys something.
How can one blame the Mexican laborer who finds a way to feed his family
with
the wages being so good compared to the economy in Mexico. He didn't
vote in the system which allows him to slip across the border and work
for better pay than he gets at home and with less hassles than for US
employees.
I have less respect for the US employer who hires the illegals but I do
understand why. My complaint is with the incredible amount of paperwork
(which translates into administrative costs) and taxes associated with
legally hiring a U.S. worker which have been laid on employers by the
federal (and state) governments. As a potential employer I can't afford
it. Rather than hiring illegals I've turned completely to robotics but
my circumstances are unusual. Its a sad condition, but put the blame
where it belongs.
I live three miles from the Mexican border. Lots of my neighbors are
legal
hispanics and are very nice people. Most of the families were here when
Arizona became a state. Some when the land was transferred to the US
from
Mexico. The border patrol can be very frightening to the local
residents.
I'm as anglo as they come but because I drive a van I get stopped
occasionally. A typical conversation (at one a.m.): Border patrolman
(BP): "Wacha doin out
here at night" me:" going to work up there (pointing at the observatory)
" BP: " where do you live?" me:" about a mile back that way" BP:" ok
just
checking (as he shines his flashlight into the back of my van to see if
if I'm carrying any illegals)" me:" by the way, where do you come
from?"
B.P." Nebrasks, been here three months" me:" Ok, good night". The
patrolmen
are resonably courtious but its not fun with the flashing strobes on
their
Broncos or Blazers. I imagine its hell for one of my neigbors who look
Mexican,
drive an old pickup, and can't speak much english with a patrolman who
can't speak much spanish. The fact that the neighbor served in the U.S.
army in WW2,
votes, and pays his taxes means nothing. He'll have to produce ID even
though
he was doing >NOTHING< wrong. If he (or I) was actually crossing the
border
the stops would be justified.
Worse than that, on more than one occasion border patrolmen have
violated no trespassing signs on my (and my neighbor's) property without
cause. In this
society and by custom that simply isn't done. Memories of claim jumping
and
cattle rustling take a long time to die out. If the border patrol is
here
to uphold laws they should learn what the laws are. It would help a lot
if
they also learned the local customs.
I'm a little surprised at how few border patrolmen actually do get shot.
Lou Boyd
Director - Fairborn Observatory
MARK MYERS
good?
Cary Kittrell
In article <33998A...@erols.com> mem...@erols.com writes:
<Louis Boyd wrote:
<>
[ most of longish, elegant, impeccable post snipped ]
<>
<> Worse than that, on more than one occasion border patrolmen have
<> violated no trespassing signs on my (and my neighbor's) property without
<> cause. In this
<> society and by custom that simply isn't done. Memories of claim jumping
<> and
<> cattle rustling take a long time to die out. If the border patrol is
<> here
<> to uphold laws they should learn what the laws are. It would help a lot
<> if
<> they also learned the local customs.
<>
<> I'm a little surprised at how few border patrolmen actually do get shot.
<>
<> Lou Boyd
<> Director - Fairborn Observatory
<
<
<If he's been here since before WW2 how come he can't speak eennglish too
<good?
Pot. Bathtub. Black.
Larry L. Taylor
In article <5na9d1$5...@paperboy.ids.net>, zarl...@conan.ids.net (Michael
Zarlenga) wrote:
> Richie ("nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net) wrote:
> : If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
> : construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
>
> Legal migrant workers.
>
> --
> -- Mike Zarlenga
> finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key
>
Former welfare recipients who have considered the alternatives of
starving to death or entering the penal system (three square meals a day,
a place to sleep, and free medical)?
--
"The gene pool needs some chlorine"
Larry L. Taylor
Enrique Vaca
Arne Carlsten wrote:
>
> Richie <"nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net> wrote:
> : If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
> : construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
> : than US citizens. They come here for the jobs. No illegals & prices
> : will rise.
>
> Shush...
>
> Someone's gonna get pissed if you keep talking like that. Dang wetbacks,
> taking all the good cinder-block-toting and grease-trap-cleaning jobs way
> from us real 'Mericans.
>
> Arne Gustav Carlsten
> Flagstaff, Arizona
>
> Chomh da/na le muc...
Well, you already pissed me off talking like that, asshole! I bet you a
million dollars that you would rather not work than busting your butt
outside in the sun at 95 plus degrees in the field for 12 hr earning
less than $3 per hour. If you take a look at agricultural fields, you
don't see and will ever see any american born workers doing that kind of
work. Why should they do that when there are already plenty of cheap
"slaves" (illegal migrant workers) available doing the hard job? Illegal
workers do the kind of job that Americans will never take. Next time you
eat your food, think of that, idiot! What a jerk!
Enrique Vaca.
Michael W. Moran
I'm told that this explains why Pat Buchanan didn't fare nearly as
well in last years' Southwestern primaries as expected. Lots of people
willing to make lots of noise about wetbacks but when it came time to
cast a vote that might cost them their cheap, easily-exploitable labor
force......
--
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Joe Sylvester
In article <339B5C...@mail.utexas.edu>, e.v...@mail.utexas.edu says...
I think they are agreeing with you. Just using deliberately provocative
language to tweek those who think that all immagrints, legal or illegal, are
lazy, good for nothing types who only want to sponge off the US welfare
system. I know that's not true, you know its not true, Arne knows its not true
an so does Richie. Some folks, mostly those who have never met any such
people, don't seem to know.
Texas' economy would be severly cripplied were all the illegals to suddenly
vanish. We'd have to import Russian Engineers, Doctors or some such (they are
glut on the market right now) . or some such, to do the work.
That said, I know plenty of farmers who work in their fields even longer and
maybe harder than any "hired hand", Norte Americano, Mexicano or those from
other parts of the Americas. The fair labor practices folks would be all over
you if you made hired help work the hours and under the conditions, that many
farmers do. Of course those same "hired hands" should they ever become owners
themselves, (has happened) will be in the same situation and will likely
respond in much the same way.
--
The Second Amendment is the RESET button
of the United States Constitution.
---Doug McKay" <mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Joe Sylvester
Don't Tread On Me !
Cary Kittrell
Oh, Enrique, want to try the decaf? Arne is agreeing with
you. Arne is taking your side. Arne is making fun of them. Arne is
making sense. Uh, "yea Arne", OK?
Lone_Wolf
In <339B5C...@mail.utexas.edu> Enrique Vaca <e.v...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
#Arne Carlsten wrote:
#>
#> Richie <"nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net> wrote:
#> : If we have no illegals, who will do all the work they do - agriculture,
#> : construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
#> : will keep coming since the they will work longer & harder for lower wages
#> : than US citizens. They come here for the jobs. No illegals & prices
#> : will rise.
#>
#> Shush...
#>
#> Someone's gonna get pissed if you keep talking like that. Dang wetbacks,
#> taking all the good cinder-block-toting and grease-trap-cleaning jobs way
#> from us real 'Mericans.
#>
#> --
#> Arne Gustav Carlsten
#> Flagstaff, Arizona
#>
#> Chomh da/na le muc...
#Well, you already pissed me off talking like that, asshole! I bet you a
#million dollars that you would rather not work than busting your butt
#outside in the sun at 95 plus degrees in the field for 12 hr earning
#less than $3 per hour. If you take a look at agricultural fields, you
#don't see and will ever see any american born workers doing that kind of
#work. Why should they do that when there are already plenty of cheap
#"slaves" (illegal migrant workers) available doing the hard job? Illegal
#workers do the kind of job that Americans will never take. Next time you
#eat your food, think of that, idiot! What a jerk!
Point 1: That was SARCASM, son.
Point 2: I got my red neck the old fashioned way, by working my ass off
outside. I used to have a pretty deep tan year round from working construction
every summer in Florida.
So get off your high horse and quit projecting.
James
#Enrique Vaca.
ec Roberts
>Arne Carlsten wrote:
>>
>> Richie <"nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net> wrote:
{snip}
>
>Well, you already pissed me off talking like that, asshole! I bet you a
>million dollars that you would rather not work than busting your butt
>outside in the sun at 95 plus degrees in the field for 12 hr earning
>less than $3 per hour. If you take a look at agricultural fields, you
>don't see and will ever see any american born workers doing that kind of
>work. Why should they do that when there are already plenty of cheap
>"slaves" (illegal migrant workers) available doing the hard job? Illegal
>workers do the kind of job that Americans will never take. Next time you
>eat your food, think of that, idiot! What a jerk!
>
I have worked stoop labor in the US and in Mexico.
I would work stoop labor right now, if I could get
somebody to hire me. The farms I have checked into
won't hire me because they don't believe I'll work
the hours and put up with the conditions. I am
neither chicano nor ilegally in this country.
Bob
>Enrique Vaca.
**** Armed and Safe(tm) ****
**** www.ivic.net/~ecr ****
JMGECKLE
I live in the East Coast where unlimited illegal and legal hispanics are
being brought in to displace blacks. This leads to high black
unemployment. I'd rather see the hispanics deported. Washington,D.C. has
the highest percentage of illegals in the country. Many whites are left
unemployed by this cheap labor market as well.
Arne Carlsten
MARK MYERS <mem...@erols.com> wrote:
: Louis Boyd wrote:
: > (Re: hassles by the Border Patrol) I imagine its hell for one of my
: > neigbors who look Mexican,
: > drive an old pickup, and can't speak much english with a patrolman who
: > can't speak much spanish. The fact that the neighbor served in the U.S.
: > army in WW2,
: > votes, and pays his taxes means nothing. He'll have to produce ID even
: > though
: > he was doing >NOTHING< wrong. If he (or I) was actually crossing the
: > border
: > the stops would be justified.
: If he's been here since before WW2 how come he can't speak eennglish too
: good?
'Cause maybe he lives in a community that speaks _Spanish_? And has been
speaking Spanish in that area since before your ancestors staggered off
the boat?
Jeeze, another "English-only" bigot heard from...
Arne Carlsten
Enrique Vaca <e.v...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
: Arne Carlsten wrote:
: >
: > Richie <"nric...@arlington.net"@arlington.net> wrote:
: > : construction, etc. Since there are no employer sanctions, the illegals
: > : will keep coming since the they will work longer & harder for lower wages
: > : than US citizens. They come here for the jobs. No illegals & prices
: > : will rise.
: >
: > Shush...
: >
: > Someone's gonna get pissed if you keep talking like that. Dang wetbacks,
: > taking all the good cinder-block-toting and grease-trap-cleaning jobs way
: > from us real 'Mericans.
: >
: > --
: > Arne Gustav Carlsten
: > Flagstaff, Arizona
: >
: > Chomh da/na le muc...
: Well, you already pissed me off talking like that, asshole! I bet you a
: million dollars that you would rather not work than busting your butt
: outside in the sun at 95 plus degrees in the field for 12 hr earning
: less than $3 per hour. If you take a look at agricultural fields, you
: don't see and will ever see any american born workers doing that kind of
: work. Why should they do that when there are already plenty of cheap
: "slaves" (illegal migrant workers) available doing the hard job? Illegal
: workers do the kind of job that Americans will never take. Next time you
: eat your food, think of that, idiot! What a jerk!
: Enrique Vaca.
I see the concept of _sarcasm_ is lost on you, Hank...
Let's try "sarcasmo." "Ironi/a." "Sa/tira." Hey, wadja know, they're
cognates even. Guess that means it's stupdity, and not mere ignorance,
we're dealing with in your case.
pyotr filipivich
Arne Carlsten <a...@primenet.com> writes:
There yused to be parts of this country that used English as a
second language for dealling with "fureigners". Like parts of Hawaii,
Colorado, Minnesota/Michigan, Pennsylvania. The deep south. :-)
tschus
pyotr
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>Chomh da/na le muc...
--
pyotr filipivich, sometimes owl, Nikolai Petrovich in the SCA.
"Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes."
(If you can read this, you're overeducated.)
Brenda M. Johnson
Enrique Vaca wrote:
>
> Arne Carlsten wrote:
> >
<snip>
> > Shush...
> >
> > Someone's gonna get pissed if you keep talking like that. Dang wetbacks,
> > taking all the good cinder-block-toting and grease-trap-cleaning jobs way
> > from us real 'Mericans.
> >
> > --
> > Arne Gustav Carlsten
> > Flagstaff, Arizona
> >
> > Chomh da/na le muc...
>
> Well, you already pissed me off talking like that, asshole! I bet you a
> million dollars that you would rather not work than busting your butt
> outside in the sun at 95 plus degrees in the field for 12 hr earning
> less than $3 per hour. If you take a look at agricultural fields, you
> don't see and will ever see any american born workers doing that kind of
> work. Why should they do that when there are already plenty of cheap
> "slaves" (illegal migrant workers) available doing the hard job? Illegal
> workers do the kind of job that Americans will never take. Next time you
> eat your food, think of that, idiot! What a jerk!
>
> Enrique Vaca.
Hi Enrique--
I think Arne was being sarcastic. It looks to me like he was making fun
of people who hold the attitude that immigrants (legal or otherwise) are
taking jobs away, but don't look at the jobs that immigrants are willing
to take-- let alone the wages that employers get away with paying them.
Arne probably agrees with you 110 percent (as do I). Really, the
attitude Arne was making fun of is part of the scheme through which
immigrant labor gets raped the way it does, and American labor gets
duped into cooperating with the oppression. After all, if you convince
American workers that the *real* enemy is the Latino worker who's trying
to get ahead but is getting paid shit and being subjected to inhuman
working conditions, business gets *two* benefits-- American workers
don't figure out the *real* cause of their own problems, and they at the
same time fully support the repression that allows business to pay
Latino workers shit money for work in shit conditions.
Bottom line, Enrique-- we gotta learn to talk to each other. Arne's not
your enemy, and you're not his.
Brenda
MARK MYERS
> >Arne Gustav Carlsten
> >Flagstaff, Arizona
>
> >Chomh da/na le muc...
> pyotr filipivich, sometimes owl, Nikolai Petrovich in the SCA.
> "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes."
> (If you can read this, you're overeducated.)
German.
Seeing as how this part of the country came under control of English
speakers at about the same time, WHY do entire communities still speak
Spanish?
Yours in English-Speaking Liberty
Mark
Arne Carlsten
MARK MYERS <mem...@erols.com> wrote:: > >: If he's been here since before WW2 how come he can't speak eennglish too
: > >: good?
: >
: > >'Cause maybe he lives in a community that speaks _Spanish_? And has been
: > >speaking Spanish in that area since before your ancestors staggered off
: > >the boat?
: >
: > >Jeeze, another "English-only" bigot heard from...
: >
: > There yused to be parts of this country that used English as a
: > second language for dealling with "fureigners". Like parts of Hawaii,
: > Colorado, Minnesota/Michigan, Pennsylvania. The deep south. :-)
: >
: > tschus
: > pyotr
: >
: > >--
: > >Arne Gustav Carlsten
: > >Flagstaff, Arizona
: >
: > >Chomh da/na le muc...
: > --
: > pyotr filipivich, sometimes owl, Nikolai Petrovich in the SCA.
: > "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes."
: > (If you can read this, you're overeducated.)
: Well my ancestors staggered off the boat in 1857.None of us speak
: German.
Your ignorance isn't our problem.
: Seeing as how this part of the country came under control of English
: speakers at about the same time, WHY do entire communities still speak
: Spanish?
And your point would be what exactly? That the locals should've stopped
sepaking to each other? That they should have erased their native
language, their native culture, their communities and history; all so you
won't have to display your ignorance or feel uncomfortable in their
communities?
: Yours in English-Speaking Liberty
: Mark
And part of that liberty is the freedom to speak the language one chooses.
Yep, bigot. A title fairly earned...
Maybe you'd have us do a little "English-speaking ethnic cleansing" while
we're at it?
Slick
Arne Carlsten <a...@primenet.com> wrote...
> Jeeze, another "English-only" bigot heard from...
Is that so wrong? I think we should all try to get along a little better,
in English, and if your buddy can't habla Inglés, well, shucks, see if you
can translate for 'im.
When in Rome, who rides the chariots? (No, I meant before the Germanic
tribes came along.) That's right, the Latin speakers. Make sense?
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pyotr filipivich
Hey Arne - watch them attributions - or rather watch Mark's Attributions.
Or what ever. I'd like it a great eal if everybody spoke some of da
kind englisch - but what the heck, we'uns can't even decide what's
standard, knowhatImean?
But on the other hand, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my
arm if my neighbor speaks one language or twenty. I may have some
second thought on providing government service in all twenty, but that
is another subject.
tschus
pyotr
Lemme hear you say "roasted ears of wheat" :-)
Lemme hear you say "ya'll reckon?"
Lemme hear you say "Uno cerveza por mi penguenia, por favor."
tschus
pyotr
Ich hat alles mine nyemnetski razik zabil.
"netta capish Italiano, pisan! Verstehen Sie?"