Are there other brands to recommend? For reference, we have Ace Hardware,
Home Depot, Lowes (but it's quite a drive for me), a local hardware store,
Sherwin Williams and Dulux here.
Thanks!
Carrie
How many coats depends also on what color you're using and what color you're
hiding (covering white with orange is harder than covering off-white with pale
yellow), what type of paint (flat, semigloss), how it's applied (brush, roller,
spray) and, well, how picky you are, as well as the composition and pigment
content of the paint (which is higher in the more expensive brands).
The more expensive brands will also tend to last longer (fade and crack less)
and be easier to clean than the cheap ones.
We used Benjamin Moore when we painted and have been happy with it. I really
don't consider Sherwin Williams to be an "expensive" brand -- it's maybe
middling.
I honestly think that a second coat takes a lot less time and effort than
having to patch and repaint later. I wish I'd done a second coat in several of
the rooms of my house, in retrospect, though at the time it didn't appear to be
necessary (and I am probably the only person in the world who will ever notice
the "bad" places).
If you want to try a cheap brand, I'd suggest checking CR -- I know they test
them. The only one I've consistently heard you should definitely avoid is the
Ralph Lauren brand.
Holly
I've always used either WalMart's own brand or
Home Depot's and have had no problems with either. I
can get by with only one coat applied with a brush or
paint pad and it covers well. I've always heard most
paints come from the same places anyway and you're only
paying for the name with the higher priced kinds.
Lynn
Personally, I've had great luck with Glidden (bought at Home Depot). AAMOF,
my bro, SIL and I painted my godmother's living room on Saturday using
Glidden, and it went on beautifully as always. We needed 2 coats, but these
are old plaster walls, so they do have a tendency to suck up paint.
--
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> Are there other brands to recommend? For reference, we have Ace Hardware,
> Home Depot, Lowes (but it's quite a drive for me), a local hardware store,
> Sherwin Williams and Dulux here.
I've used Behr (Home Depot), Duron, Sherwin-Williams, Pratt & Lambert, and
Lowe's American Traditions in this house. I didn't like the P&L at all,
and we've always had to double-coat everything with the S-W. Most of our
rooms are done in the AT paint, which is ~$17 per gallon, and is a CR best
buy. I did our guest room in pink, and only one-coated it with touch-ups
(I used a lot of paint on the first coat and didn't press the roller too
hard). When we did the pool room in red, we *had* to do two coats (all our
rooms started as off-white). I find that the slicker the finish, the more
coats you need. The bathrooms and kitchen have all needed two coats, and
the pool room was in a satin, so that was pretty glossy. I prefer eggshell
for the rest of the rooms.
-Leslie
Since it's so humid here, I do want to use a good paint. We don't have
Benjamen Moore here or I'd use that -- S-W is as good as we've got as far
as specialty paint stores.
Carrie
I've had no problems with the Ralph Lauren brand. In fact, most of my
house is painted with this. It spreads well and we only needed 1 coat
for the beige (on mint green), 2 coats for the red on dark green.
My father is a paint snob, and he always uses Pratt and Lambert paint.
You can't find this at Home Depot, here, we get it at local paint
shops. But my father actually liked the Ralph Lauren and he's not an
easy guy to please when it comes to paint.
What were the reasons to avoid the Ralph Lauren? It might be a bit
overpriced because of the name, but it's actually good paint and they
have a great colour selection (I know you can do colour match and I
can probably find these colours elsewhere, but it worked out for me.
Michelle
I've just always heard that it doesn't cover well and fades easily.
I've so rarely used a "standard" color (almost everything in our house is
custom mixed) that the color range is irrelevant for me.
A lot of decorators use Pratt & Lambert but I don't know where you'd get it
around here. Aside from HD and hardware stores we have Kelly Moore and Benjamin
Moore.
Holly
Carrie L Leonard wrote:
> OK, thanks folks. I'm still not sure what brand I'm going to try, but
> this helps. FWIW, I've been using an eggshell finish, the walls are
> currently off-white, and I'm using a brush & roller to apply the paint. I
> may use a more glossy finish on the next room (my daughters) even though I
> don't like glossy that much -- so I'm guess that will take two coats
> regardless....
I used Lowes American Tradition Oil Semi gloss on my bedroom trim and even
though I was covering white with "Chalk", it has taken two coats on the trim
and FOUR on the closet door. The walls I did in SW latex eggshell in Jaspar
green and that was two coats.
>
>
> Since it's so humid here, I do want to use a good paint. We don't have
> Benjamen Moore here or I'd use that -- S-W is as good as we've got as far
> as specialty paint stores.
There is a mildew/mold inhibitor you can buy to add to paint. You should be
able to find it in the SW specialty store.
I'll second that. I don't know how their flat paint is but the high gloss is
the worst junk I've ever worked with. I used two different colors to paint a
bookcase type of furniture (like a bookcase but with nine cubbyholes instead of
shelves) - bright red for exterior and trim and bright blue for the interior of
the cubbys.
Since I was painting over an old paint job in very similar colors (bright blue
and bright red - just a slight difference in the shade), I didn't bother to
prime. It took over six coats to cover the old paint and even then, it looks
like crap.
Next summer, I'll probably get a couple of friends to help me move it into the
backyard (it's a big piece and very heavy) so I can sand it down, prime and
repaint using a different brand of paint.
Julie
> Are there other brands to recommend? For reference, we have Ace Hardware,
> Home Depot, Lowes (but it's quite a drive for me), a local hardware store,
> Sherwin Williams and Dulux here.
I'd recommend Behr brand myself :-) No really, it has worked well for
us. Although, I don't think that more expensive means it will cover
better. We used Behr's Sandwash paint in our living room (which had
been white) and we had to use two coats of that and it was
$29.99/gallon.
--Susan
Just another data point: We used RL paint in our study and hated it. Despised
it, in fact. It took a million coats to cover the previously white walls, and it
didn't go on easily or smoothly at all. In fact, as I sit here and look around,
I can see all kinds of weird variations in the color from where the paint
wouldn't go on evenly.
Friends of ours have had the same problem with RL paint -- it didn't coat evenly
or easily.
I'm glad to hear at least one person had a good experience with it, though. :-)
-jennifer c., partial to Behr paint from Home Depot
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> Are there other brands to recommend? For reference, we have Ace Hardware,
> Home Depot, Lowes (but it's quite a drive for me), a local hardware store,
> Sherwin Williams and Dulux here.
We used Kelly Moore paint on our house. I think that's what the guys who
were fixing our house were using so we just bought some more of the same
stuff to do the rooms that weren't covered for the insurance repairs.
Jan
We'd used Kelly Moore on our back patio structure and garage, as
well as on our kitchen cabinets. Very happy with spreadability,
coverage, lack of spatter, etc.
Then we fell for the Benjamin Moore hype when we were buying paint
for the rest of the house -- that it was superior, long lasting,
etc. We even paid for the "upgraded" commercial base for it, to
the tune of ~$35/gallon.
The morning we started painting our "rental white" house, my DH
called B. Moore to ask if it was possible to add a thickening agent,
since the "bright white" ceiling color was as thin as water, and
NOT covering the rental white already on the ceiling. We had also
chosen very deep, dramatic colors for the other rooms - a colonial
brick color, a DEEP forest green, a caramel/butterscotch shade - and
all of them required a minimum 2 coats, with the green and brick requiring
spot touchups of as many as 4 coats.
It is already starting to chip and peel in heavy usage areas - around
closet door frames, and window lintels.
In contrast, we chose Kelly Moore again when we painted the kitchen
walls last month (at long last!) The KM color spread beautifully,
covered well, and was much cheaper.
For what it's worth.
Sandi
> Just another data point: We used RL paint in our study and hated it. Despised
> it, in fact. It took a million coats to cover the previously white walls, and it
> didn't go on easily or smoothly at all. In fact, as I sit here and look around,
> I can see all kinds of weird variations in the color from where the paint
> wouldn't go on evenly.
We had the same problem with the RL paint. I bought in a maroony-red
color. I primed my white walls with white latex primer (should have
had it tinted darker) and it took three coats of the paint to cover
the white and it is streaky still.
--Susan
Ok, so now I have to go buy some more paint and need more input. I
need:
- touch up paint for a wall in which holes were made trying to move a
very heavy piece of machinery in the basement. I obviously cannot
change paint type. But as I was inspecting the damage, I found some
spots that weren't properly covered the first time. So I'm starting to
have doubts about RL.
- Ceiling paint. For our ceiling paint, we used Behr. I had some touch
ups to do on a ceiling (same move, yes, it was that big). We had never
painted this ceiling so the white contrasted big time. I found the
paint to be pretty thick and hard to spread. Maybe it's just that this
kind of paint needs different types of brushes/rolls? Because I ran
out of ceiling paint, and our ceilings are just plain white, I can
choose from anything. I'm not sure I want to go with Behr again, but
it was 2 year old paint I was working with. We painted our bedroom
with Behr and I remember swearing that day, but maybe I'm not using
the proper brushes.
- I did some trimming this weekend and had bought CIL/Dulux paint and
found it worked well for trimming.
- I've never seen most of the other brands mentioned in this thread,
so I'm not sure... I'm tempted to go with CIL/Dulux for the ceiling. I
don't want to spend too much money for a ceiling (ie we won't use RL
even if we decide we like it, too expensive for ceiling paint), but I
don't want to be too frustrated about the whole experience.
I've never heard of Kelly Moore, or Benjamin Moore. Can you buy this
at Home Depot? I've heard of Glidden, so I might take a look at that.
Anyone have any experience with the CIL paint that will make me change
my mind about it? Does anyone have specific ceiling paint
recommendations? Does anyone have any paint brush/roll recommendations
to make for using Behr paint?
Thanks!
Michelle
Unfortunately Kelly Moore doesn't distribute in Hawaii, so I'm outta luck
there....
Carrie
I'm usually a Sherwin Williams fan, but we used Olympic from Lowe's, just
because Lowe's is close to us and it's reasonably priced. Plus we figure
we'll be repainting probably in the next 5 years or so anyway, so we went
cheap and easy to obtain now. But I was pretty happy with the Olympic. The
eggshell goes on really nice, the semi-gloss was a bit "goopy," but dried
really well. We put at least two coats on everything, but we were using
pretty bright colors over a white primer. On the things we painted red we
needed at least two coats (and I think this is usually the case for colors
like red unless you get a tinted primer).
We used Olympic "Kitchen and Bath" paint on the insides of our cupboards and
pantry. It worked wonders and I would recommend that to anyone who's
painting places that need regular cleaning or get wet often. It wipes clean
with just a damp cloth and doesn't streak like some other paints do.
I would also recommend one of the small 4" rollers for edges. I haven't
picked up a brush since we discovered those. Just tape off well and you can
get right into the corners with those things. Oh, be sure to get the nappy
roller for it, though, the foam ones are cr*p. It worked wonders on the
insides of the cabinets, it's so quick and no brush marks.
Lissi (trying to decide which room should get done next, now that the end of
the kitchen project is in sight!)
..
You'll probably be better off choosing a different paint, having it color
matched, and redoing the entire wall. That will take care of all the
unevenness as well as your touchup areas, and will look a lot better in the end
than having "patches" of newer paint.
>- Ceiling paint. For our ceiling paint, we used Behr. I had some touch
>ups to do on a ceiling (same move, yes, it was that big). We had never
>painted this ceiling so the white contrasted big time. I found the
>paint to be pretty thick and hard to spread. Maybe it's just that this
>kind of paint needs different types of brushes/rolls? Because I ran
>out of ceiling paint, and our ceilings are just plain white, I can
>choose from anything. I'm not sure I want to go with Behr again, but
>it was 2 year old paint I was working with.
If the paint had been sitting around for 2 years, that could easily explain why
it was "thick." Tends to happen when the paint is exposed to air, as it is
when the can is partially used.
>I've never heard of Kelly Moore, or Benjamin Moore. Can you buy this
>at Home Depot? I've heard of Glidden, so I might take a look at that.
Kelly Moore is sold at Kelly Moore paint stores. Benjamin Moore is sold at
independent paint stores. No, you can't buy it at HD. Look around for a
separate paint store -- you want the one with the painting contractors' trucks
parked outside. :-) They generally sell better paint than what you can get at
HD -- though of course it does tend to cost more.
Glidden is Sears' brand, isn't it?
>Anyone have any experience with the CIL paint that will make me change
>my mind about it?
Never heard of it, sorry. My only recommendation, again, is to avoid "touchup"
patches and just repaint the whole ceiling. Unless your touchup area is very,
very small, it isn't that much more work and it usually ends up looking a lot
better.
As for brushes and rollers, well, good quality (read: expensive) brushes are
very much worth the extra cost. Especially if you're painting trim or need a
clean edge between colors on adjacent surfaces. Rollers, not so much, unless
you're using a semigloss paint.
Holly
I just repainted my kitchen cabinets recently too. :) We used American
Traditions from Lowes, they had a sheet that said it was the CR top rated
paint. It did turn out great, and the paint seemed pretty normal to me.
>I would also recommend one of the small 4" rollers for edges. I haven't
>picked up a brush since we discovered those. Just tape off well and you can
>get right into the corners with those things. Oh, be sure to get the nappy
>roller for it, though, the foam ones are cr*p. It worked wonders on the
>insides of the cabinets, it's so quick and no brush marks.
I think we had the 6 inch ones, but they were great! they're a lot smaller
diameter, so you hardly have to cut in at all. We tried using the foam ones,
and it didn't work at all. They're so slick that instead of rolling it just
slides.
Mieko - who still needs to do hinges, another coat on the doors, and put
everything back together.
Holly is right on here. We have some cheap brushes we use for outside
things and I hate them. I mean, they are fine for what we use them for,
but the finish always looks horrible and it's hard to get the paint on
well. We have expensive, good brushes for all our inside painting (along
with the roller).
Carrie
> Glidden is Sears' brand, isn't it?
Maybe? ISTR seeing it at Home Depot, though, so unless they're owned by
the same company that wouldn't make any sense.
Sarah
Yeah, we bought all of our Glidden paint at Home Depot, and according to the
Glidden website, the only stores within 50 miles of our zip code that sell
it are Home Depots. I think Sears' brand must be something else.
--
Shelly
Ah - and passing on a tip that I learned when I painted my kitchen, the best
thing to clean a brush is a short bristled scrub brush. My mom has always used
the ones on little wooden blocks that are about an inch by 4 inches. Get the
brush wet in the sink, but a little soap on it, then use the scrub brush to
really get all the paint out. Just go with the bristles.
I used to get ok brushes, rinse and rinse and rinse, then throw them out after
a couple of uses. Now I've got purdy brushes and I love them!
I also got some cute little square trays to put paint in, that come with a
small bar that snaps into them, so you have something to rub the excess paint
off your brush. They were 99cents but so much better than using an old butter
dish. I saw them using it on Trading Spaces the other day too. :)
Mieko
I agree about the patching (I forgot to mention that I'd planned to
repaint the whole wall), but I disagree about buying a different
paint. Colour matching is pretty good, but not perfect, and I don't
want to risk it, especially since this can might not be used strictly
for this wall. Half our house is painted in this colour/paint and will
probably end up using the rest of the paint elsewhere. I don't want to
risk colour matching. Call me anal, but that's me. It's not like I'm
miserable with RL, so I'm not that motivated to change for that.
> As for brushes and rollers, well, good quality (read: expensive) brushes are
> very much worth the extra cost. Especially if you're painting trim or need a
> clean edge between colors on adjacent surfaces. Rollers, not so much, unless
> you're using a semigloss paint.
Ok, so I just painted two doors tonight with the CIL paint I
mentioned. If I use my favorite (read expensive) brush, I had to put
loads of paint on my brush and it wouldn't spread well. It would take
forever for me to paint. I switched to a cheaper brush and the paint
went on great, but since the brush was cheaper (I assume that's the
reason) then I'd get more prominent streaks caused by the brush. I had
to be extra careful, but it was still better than the more expensive
brush.
Tonight's experience was a frustrating one. Once I caught on that the
cheaper brush was working better, I tried using the cheaper roll and
that was a disaster. Can you believe I might actually have to put a
second coat of white on a white base? I know it needed painting, but
come on, one coat should be enough for that. It's too early to tell,
though, isn't quite dry yet. I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning
when it's all dried up...
I think I've found another brand (Canadian one) that I want to try, I
just happened to see a flyer advertising it, so I'll give that a try
for my ceiling paint. If I like it, I might use it for my bathroom
paint (my next project). The prices looked pretty good, too.
Thanks for the input!
Michelle
This makes me feel good. We just bought about 27 gallons of Behr
paint for the house. Well, the company did. Anyway, Rich and BIL are
over there tonight painting the living room, and Rich is working on the
murals in the boys' rooms. BIL will be painting at the house tomorrow
while we go to church, and we'll join him with a few friends in the
afternoon to continue painting.
The living room is going to be RED! Whee! I got the tinted primer,
and when Doug opened it up, he looked at me and said, "Somebody made a
mistake." It is Barbie pink primer, but the paint is indeed the red we
want, we're also doing a pretty colorwash effect on the molding and
window sills. We're doing the dining room, kitchen and hallways in a
warm, buttery yellow. Our bedroom and bathroom are a really pretty
blueberry color with the same yellow on the ceilings and as trim on the
window sills. The boys' rooms, though, are the masterpieces. Rich and
I worked out two ocean scenes to do as murals for them. Alexander's is
a tropical ocean with the fish, shark, seaweed, shellfish, etc and an
island with the ceiling moving from night to day as it goes toward the
window. Dominic's is a kind of generic Puget Sound scene, with the
trees, water and rocky beach native to the area, mountains in the
background and a lighthouse in the foreground. True to form, Rich is
putting an airplane flying up in the sky, too. The only two places in
the house that aren't being painted are the office/playroom/guest
bedroom and the boys' bathroom. The office is mostly wood, and pretty
dark, but the white paint job is fine and it needs the light, so we're
leaving it, but adding color at the windows and such, the boys' bathroom
is cream and we're just adding a border to it.
I am so excited about having a house we can paint and decorate the
way we want. The carpet completely clashes with almost every room, but
we aren't going to ask them to change it yet, so we'll get creative with
rugs. I already have two in mind, a lighthouse one I saw today for
Dominic's room, a tropical fish rug for Alexander's room, and we have a
Persian rug for our room. Alexander will have to share a room with
Elijah, as Dominic is the lightest sleeper, and the upstairs room really
lent itself to the tropical scene because of how the ceiling is shaped,
so Alexander is upstairs. We couldn't have Dominic upstairs by himself,
he'd just fall down the stairs a lot in the morning and be scared.
Fortunately, as we went upstairs with the boys for the first time last
week, Alexander announced that he'd like to share his room with Elijah.
When they're a little older and (we hope) Dominic can sleep more deeply,
we'll probably send Elijah down to share with him so Alexander can have
his own room.
Anyway, I've been sorting, tossing, giving away and packing like a
fiend for the last two weeks. The plan is that as the rooms are
painted, and as the boxes are filled, I'll be bringing boxes over with
me every time I go over there this week. I've already been filling the
office with things that will go in there, as we're not painting. That
way, when my ILs come up next weekend, it will mostly be the furniture
that needs to go and we can spend the time with them unpacking and
putting away. I'm trying to do this as organized as I can, so each box
only has the things in it that will go in the room that the box is
labeled. We will likely be inheriting some living room furniture from a
friend of ours, who is getting new stuff, it is bound to be better than
our post collegiate poverty styled furniture. We're going to try to
take a look at her stuff tomorrow, so we can decide. We'll then put our
futon up in the office, so it can come out as a bed when we have
guest(s), and that will make a little more private space than having
them in our living room as we've had to do here. Our basement has a
room in it, but we think we'll be using it more for storage than
anything else. We don't want the kids going up and down those stairs,
and the furnace is down there, so we're getting a lock put on that door.
So, that's the news here. If I can, I'll get pictures up of the
boys' rooms and maybe even of the other rooms as they are decorated some
more. :)
Regards,
Ranee
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Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
>
> The living room is going to be RED! Whee! I got the tinted primer,
> and when Doug opened it up, he looked at me and said, "Somebody made a
> mistake." It is Barbie pink primer, but the paint is indeed the red we
> want, we're also doing a pretty colorwash effect on the molding and
> window sills.
You must be a gutsy person! I've seen red rooms in friends' homes and while
I like it in their houses, I can't imagine using it in mine. That's too
adventurous for me. I tend towards muted colors. This summer I finally
painted my bedroom with Martha Stewart Jaspar Green with the trim in "chalk"
white. I'm planning on painting the downstairs bathroom that same chalk
white on the wainscoting and a blue grey above it. The rest of my house
(kitchen, foyer, living room) carries a color theme of jewel tones of
saphire blue, emerald green and burgundy.
>
>
> I am so excited about having a house we can paint and decorate the
> way we want. The carpet completely clashes with almost every room, but
> we aren't going to ask them to change it yet, so we'll get creative with
> rugs.
When you change the carpet, are you going for a uniform color throughout the
house or different colors in different rooms?
> So, that's the news here. If I can, I'll get pictures up of the
> boys' rooms and maybe even of the other rooms as they are decorated some
> more. :)
>
We're in a decorating binge lately, too. The next event is a two day,
"Trading Spaces" inspired makeover of my kitchen where we will paint the
cabinets, rewallpaper, remove the old flooring and put down new before
Christmas.
Have fun, Ranee! I'm vicariously excited for you!
Ranee Mueller wrote:
> So, that's the news here. If I can, I'll get pictures up of the
> boys' rooms and maybe even of the other rooms as they are decorated some
> more. :)
That all sounds great, Ranee. I'd love to see pictures when you have
time to put some up. :-)
-Stephanie
JH wrote:
> We're in a decorating binge lately, too. The next event is a two day,
> "Trading Spaces" inspired makeover of my kitchen where we will paint the
> cabinets, rewallpaper, remove the old flooring and put down new before
> Christmas.
I love the jewel tones you described. Are you planning to go with the
bold color accents in your kitchen makeover, or are you planning to go
with a more muted color scheme?
I am in the infant stages of planning a makeover of my kitchen as well.
Right now I am looking at paint swatches. I just can't decide if I want
to go warm or cool with my color scheme. Either way I plan to tole paint
floral accents on the cabinets.
Sherry
Ranee Mueller wrote:
> So, that's the news here. If I can, I'll get pictures up of the
> boys' rooms and maybe even of the other rooms as they are decorated some
> more. :)
I can't wait to see your pictures. The murals sound wonderful. It's
wonderful you are able to add such personal touches to your boys rooms.
I did similar projects with my girls. The only drawback I found was
that as they grew out of the room and I wanted to re-paint, they were so
attached to the art I created "for them" they didn't want me to paint
over the wall. I am always amazed at how sentimental my daughters can
be.
Sherry
I painted our guest bedroom a burgundy red and I *wish* I had thought
to get the white primer tinted. I primed the walls once and had to
use three coats of the red to cover it. It still looks a bit streaky
in spots so I may have to buy another quart of the paint and touch it
up.
> So, that's the news here. If I can, I'll get pictures up of the
> boys' rooms and maybe even of the other rooms as they are decorated some
> more. :)
I look forward to seeing the pictures. It sounds like the boys' rooms
will be really cute.
--Susan
Our living room is dark red but it's a fairly big room at about 30'X15'. DH
tends to go for "strong" colours (our kitchen is orange!) and I have to
admit he's usually right. The only room that I chose the colour for was S's
room (or what will become her room). I thought I was buying a nice pastel
mint - it's bright green. I 'll probably end up repainting it before she
moves in :-).
Jean
Sherry wrote:
> JH wrote:
>
> > We're in a decorating binge lately, too. The next event is a two day,
> > "Trading Spaces" inspired makeover of my kitchen where we will paint the
> > cabinets, rewallpaper, remove the old flooring and put down new before
> > Christmas.
>
> I love the jewel tones you described. Are you planning to go with the
> bold color accents in your kitchen makeover, or are you planning to go
> with a more muted color scheme?
I'm planning on an "antiqued" version of the sapphire blue, burgundy and
green. The house is 130+ years old and I have a huge brick wall in my kitchen
that I have antique farm and kitchen tools hanging up.
>
>
> I am in the infant stages of planning a makeover of my kitchen as well.
> Right now I am looking at paint swatches.
I'd rather do a complete renovation but what I want to do is more expensive
than my wallet can afford at this point so I figure this quickie make-over
will hold until I can do the kitchen the way I really want it done.
> Either way I plan to tole paint
> floral accents on the cabinets.
Another gutsy design element. I am an interior decorating wimp.
> Tonight's experience was a frustrating one. Once I caught on that the
> cheaper brush was working better, I tried using the cheaper roll and
> that was a disaster. Can you believe I might actually have to put a
> second coat of white on a white base? I know it needed painting, but
> come on, one coat should be enough for that. It's too early to tell,
> though, isn't quite dry yet. I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning
> when it's all dried up...
FWIW, I've had to triple-coat all my doors. I'm painting ultra-white on
top of a shell-white base (that's only about a year old--the former owners
sprayed the whole place shell white). The trim is the same story. I have
to at LEAST double-coat the trim, and even then I have to go back to
certain spots every time I have the white paint out. Also, I've found that
certain rollers (the cheaper ones, incidentally) work better with the
white semigloss I'm using than others. I remember that one weekend I
painted a bunch of doors and they looked *awful*. I switched rollers for
the second coat, and it was much better. But I still had to do a third
coat. Sheesh.
-Leslie
> Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The living room is going to be RED! Whee! I got the tinted
> > primer, and when Doug opened it up, he looked at me and said, "Somebody
> > made a mistake." It is Barbie pink primer, but the paint is indeed
> > the red we want, we're also doing a pretty colorwash effect on the
> > molding and window sills.
>
> You must be a gutsy person! I've seen red rooms in friends' homes
> and while I like it in their houses, I can't imagine using it in
> mine. That's too adventurous for me. I tend towards muted colors.
> This summer I finally painted my bedroom with Martha Stewart Jaspar
> Green with the trim in "chalk" white. I'm planning on painting the
> downstairs bathroom that same chalk white on the wainscoting and a
> blue grey above it. The rest of my house (kitchen, foyer, living
> room) carries a color theme of jewel tones of saphire blue, emerald
> green and burgundy.
I don't know about gutsy so much as I just know what I want and now I
can do it. :) I really adore jewel tones, I look great in them, so I
tend to gravitate to them anyway. I don't see how that is any less bold.
We will have sheer red window coverings with wrought iron finials and
bars when it's all said and done, I'd like some gold thread in that,
too, but we'll see what we find. Wrought iron stuff, black and cream as
the accent colors. There's some pretty warm woodwork in the house, and
it's not what I would have picked on my own, but it actually looks quite
nice. The mantle and bookshelves are all that pine, and there's a built
in storage bench along the bookshelves, too.
I don't think we have a single muted color in that house. Our
bedroom is dark, but I wanted it that way. I did it in a blueberry
color, with the yellow on the ceiling and a lighter version of the
yellow on the window sills. Rich thinks I'm crazy, but he left it up to
me, as he wanted me to be happy with it, and I'm the one who spends more
time in the house. Most of the walls are that yellow color (Behr Starry
Sky, if anyone is interested, the red is Romanoff Red, the blueberry is,
well, Blueberry), and I adore it.
> > I am so excited about having a house we can paint and decorate
> > the way we want. The carpet completely clashes with almost every room,
> > but we aren't going to ask them to change it yet, so we'll get
> > creative with rugs.
>
> When you change the carpet, are you going for a uniform color
> throughout the house or different colors in different rooms?
I don't know. We could probably keep the same carpet in the boys'
rooms. As much as I'd like a plush cream carpet in the living room, the
chances of that are slim to none with little boys in the house.
Unfortunately, my taste in carpets runs pretty light, as opposed to my
vibrant, and even dark tastes in paint.
> > So, that's the news here. If I can, I'll get pictures up of the
> > boys' rooms and maybe even of the other rooms as they are decorated
> > some more. :)
>
> We're in a decorating binge lately, too. The next event is a two day,
> "Trading Spaces" inspired makeover of my kitchen where we will paint
> the cabinets, rewallpaper, remove the old flooring and put down new
> before Christmas.
Wow! Doing the painting this weekend was pretty crazy, we got almost
all of it done, with help from BIL and a couple friends, Rich and BIL
are still there now finishing our bedroom. We still have ceilings, our
bathroom and the murals to do. We'll keep working this week, and on
Saturday a friend is watching the boys so we can all work together with
Rich's parents to get those murals finished, then move stuff the next
day. I can't imagine doing a whole room's worth of stuff in two days.
Speaking of Trading Spaces, has anyone noticed that they aren't doing as
much frightening stuff lately? I think that Doug and Hilde got slapped
over some things. I like the newer guy, whose name I forgot, I think,
we'll see if I like his other projects.
Anyway, the flooring in the kitchen in the house does need to be
replaced, and we're going to work on that with the management company as
soon as we can. As for our next projects, over the next couple of
months, I'll be working on the window treatments, then the light
fixtures. In the summer, we want to paint the outside a dark green
color, so it blends even more into the trees. I know Rich wants to make
a safer tree house in the big tree out back for the boys.
> Have fun, Ranee! I'm vicariously excited for you!
Thank you! I'm thrilled! I have been planning how I'll decorate for
Thanksgiving and Christmas, and planning our house budget and shopping
trips. We will have a house warming party New Year's Eve, which is our
anniversary, as we will be hosting both Thanksgiving and Christmas this
year, and we won't have time to get enough done and still have the
energy to do it before then. So, any of you who are in this area are
welcome to come. Or, if you happen to be in the area, or are thinking
of it, please let us know and visit us. :)
I thought about that. I think when we move, we may be repainting
those pictures in another house. :) I got the fish rug for Alexander
today, and he adores it.
> I painted our guest bedroom a burgundy red and I *wish* I had thought
> to get the white primer tinted. I primed the walls once and had to
> use three coats of the red to cover it. It still looks a bit streaky
> in spots so I may have to buy another quart of the paint and touch it
> up.
I still wish we had taken a picture of the walls as Barbie pink, it
was astonishing. We're going to have to do a second coat of red, I
think, even after the tinted primer, but we'll see when it dries
completely. We wouldn't have thought about the tinted primer if a
friend of ours hadn't done a red wall in her house and told us.
> I still wish we had taken a picture of the walls as Barbie pink, it
> was astonishing. We're going to have to do a second coat of red, I
> think, even after the tinted primer, but we'll see when it dries
> completely. We wouldn't have thought about the tinted primer if a
> friend of ours hadn't done a red wall in her house and told us.
I didn't know about tinting primer either until my neighbor mentioned
it to me after I had painted that red room.
--Susan
Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
>
> I don't know. We could probably keep the same carpet in the boys'
> rooms. As much as I'd like a plush cream carpet in the living room, the
> chances of that are slim to none with little boys in the house.
> Unfortunately, my taste in carpets runs pretty light, as opposed to my
> vibrant, and even dark tastes in paint.
Trust me, you do not want a cream or white or even beige carpet with small
children. I had off white carpeting all through my last house and I swear it
was put there by the previous owners as a conspiracy to keep women at home
cleaning all the time. I remember one time I had just finished vacuuming it
and I was at the far end of the house in my bedroom when I heard the neighbor's
child come in the kitchen door and call for my kids. I could hear her getting
closer as she came down the hallway looking in each room and as I met her at
the door to the master bedroom, there she stood in muddy riding boots with a
trail of red clay boot prints behind her. All through the kitchen (which had a
white vinyl floor), through the family room, down the hallway. I sent her on
her way and then turned into the wall and sobbed.
> Wow! Doing the painting this weekend was pretty crazy, we got almost
> all of it done, with help from BIL and a couple friends, Rich and BIL
> are still there now finishing our bedroom. We still have ceilings, our
> bathroom and the murals to do. We'll keep working this week, and on
> Saturday a friend is watching the boys so we can all work together with
> Rich's parents to get those murals finished, then move stuff the next
> day. I can't imagine doing a whole room's worth of stuff in two days.
Weell, we're actually doing the cabinet painting bit by bit over the next three
weeks, tearing off floor trim and stripping the wallpaper. It's the floor that
we will devote most of the two days to because it has a layer of peel and stick
tile over a vinyl floor. And we have five fully functional, capable people in
this family to do all the work.
>
> Speaking of Trading Spaces, has anyone noticed that they aren't doing as
> much frightening stuff lately?
You must have missed the episode where new designer Kia (?) made a bedspread
from astroturf with fake flowers poked through it. The neighbor was right, it
looked like a grave. And the picket fence and scalloped landscape edging
divider was lame. I've been noticing that some room designs are more stark
than others, i.e. not as much accessorizing. And Vern's love of suspended fish
is getting old.
> I think that Doug and Hilde got slapped
> over some things.
One of them recently did a bed suspended from the ceiling by chains. All I
could think of was that relaxing would truly become a swinging affair in no
time.
> I like the newer guy, whose name I forgot, I think,
> we'll see if I like his other projects.
I can't believe Laurie didn't have her baby birthed on "Baby Story". They've
already had Paige on "Wedding Story" and Ty and Amy on "Makeover Story" so why
not Laurie on "Baby Story"? I wonder what she had.
>
>
> Anyway, the flooring in the kitchen in the house does need to be
> replaced, and we're going to work on that with the management company as
> soon as we can. As for our next projects, over the next couple of
> months, I'll be working on the window treatments, then the light
> fixtures. In the summer, we want to paint the outside a dark green
> color, so it blends even more into the trees.
It takes me years to figure out what I want to do with a room. I'm just not
that decisive.
> > Have fun, Ranee! I'm vicariously excited for you!
>
> Thank you! I'm thrilled! I have been planning how I'll decorate for
> Thanksgiving and Christmas, and planning our house budget and shopping
> trips.
Very exciting! I love to plan. Doing is another matter.
> We will have a house warming party New Year's Eve, which is our
> anniversary, as we will be hosting both Thanksgiving and Christmas this
> year,
I think I'd entertain more if my kitchen floor wasn't so gnarly. There just
comes a point where something is so old that no amount of elbow grease will
make it look good. I know true entertaining doesn't require that your house be
a showcase but I'd prefer that my floors not be so ugly. My project this week
is using "The Works" to get some hard water stain out of my toilet bowl. Ugh!
If "The Works" doesn't work, I may have to resort to replacing the toilet
altogether.
Leslie Deak wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2002, Michelle wrote:
>
> > Tonight's experience was a frustrating one. Once I caught on that the
> > cheaper brush was working better, I tried using the cheaper roll and
> > that was a disaster. Can you believe I might actually have to put a
> > second coat of white on a white base? I know it needed painting, but
> > come on, one coat should be enough for that. It's too early to tell,
> > though, isn't quite dry yet. I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning
> > when it's all dried up...
>
> FWIW, I've had to triple-coat all my doors. I'm painting ultra-white on
> top of a shell-white base (that's only about a year old--the former owners
> sprayed the whole place shell white). The trim is the same story. I have
> to at LEAST double-coat the trim,
Using Lowes American Tradition paint, I only used two coats on bare wood trim
with the first coat acting as a primer. I used four coats of paint on an
already painted off white closet door. I can't explain it but I was sick of
painting that louvered closet door before I finally got it looking good.
Susan Behr MacDuffee wrote:
And I never heard of it before until I read it here in AN!
I had heard about primer, though. When I was living in my apartment,
I finally decided it needed painting. The management would have done
it, *iff* I'd gotten all my stuff out of the way! As that was not
possible, I did it myself, on my own time.
I was the second person to live in that apartment. I suspect that
some of the walls were bare sheetrock, based on the way the walls
drank up gallons of primer. At least it was cheaper than the
actual paint. (I did it in "Naperville Neutral", which is about
what was in the rest of the building. Inoffensive.)
--
aMAZon
zesz...@worldnet.att.net
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."
Oh, I can relate to that. When we were redoing our box room I ended
up painting the (four-panelled) door about 6 times in total (first
coat of primer it turned out I hadn't got all the stripper chemical
off, so the paint went funny, then the second coat looked too yellow
for some reason, then the third coat was OK; then I tried to gloss it
and used cheap gloss which didn't work well at all, so I had to re-
gloss it with a better brand of paint and then even that needed two
coats to look good). Bearing in mind that each time I had to do both
sides of the door, by the time I was finished I was *very* skilled at
painting all the sections in the right order so that I didn't end up
with marks where semi-dry paint got blended in with fresh paint
between the sections. :-)
Vicky
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> Weell, we're actually doing the cabinet painting bit by bit over the next
> three
> weeks, tearing off floor trim and stripping the wallpaper. It's the floor
> that
> we will devote most of the two days to because it has a layer of peel and
> stick
> tile over a vinyl floor. And we have five fully functional, capable people in
> this family to do all the work.
We had to pull up two layers of tile on our kitchen floor a couple weeks
ago. It took the two of us only a couple hours after our neighbor lent us a
floor scraper thingie. It's got a long handle with a 5 or 6" metal plate on
the end. You can also get them with a place to put your foot on (kind of
like a shovel) for extra force. The one we borrowed didn't have that, but it
worked so easily. The metal gets right under the tile and loosens the glue,
causing the floor to pop right off. DH used the tool, and I followed behind
picking up the scraps.
What kind of floor will you be replacing it with? We did the peel and sticks
for now. We also did a cheap makeover, knowing that in about five years
we'll completely gut and enlarge the kitchen. When we bought the house
almost everything in the kitchen was original to 1956. The only difference
was they had added a dishwasher and put down another tile floor, but that
was probably from the 60's!
Lissi
..
lissi wrote:
>
>
> We had to pull up two layers of tile on our kitchen floor a couple weeks
> ago. It took the two of us only a couple hours after our neighbor lent us a
> floor scraper thingie. It's got a long handle with a 5 or 6" metal plate on
> the end. You can also get them with a place to put your foot on (kind of
> like a shovel) for extra force. The one we borrowed didn't have that, but it
> worked so easily. The metal gets right under the tile and loosens the glue,
> causing the floor to pop right off. DH used the tool, and I followed behind
> picking up the scraps.
That's what I'm counting on. Teenaged DS is practically drooling at the thought of
organized destruction.
>
>
> What kind of floor will you be replacing it with? We did the peel and sticks
> for now. We also did a cheap makeover, knowing that in about five years
> we'll completely gut and enlarge the kitchen. When we bought the house
> almost everything in the kitchen was original to 1956. The only difference
> was they had added a dishwasher and put down another tile floor, but that
> was probably from the 60's!
I'm dealing with probably 15 year old wallpaper and flooring over a 33 year old
renovation so I can relate to the 1970's decorating scheme one can be forced to live
with. I'm replacing the floor with peel and stick tiles in a wood parquet pattern
to see if I like having a wood type floor. I figure when we do gut the kitchen in
3-5 years, I will know whether I like wood flooring enough to put down the real
stuff. It's seems more practical to put down a cheap faux wood floor and find out
you hate the look than spend megabucks on real wide plank flooring and discover you
hate it.
The rest of my house is classic 1970's decorating with the living room entirely wood
panelled , the harvest gold wallpaper that was in my bedroom and is still in the
bathroom and office. At least there was no metallic wallpaper to deal with like my
SIL had in thier house when they bought it. Trying to figure out how I want to
convert this 1970's look into comfy Victorian farmhouse has been a struggle since I
am interior decorating challenged. Slowly but surely I'm getting there.
> I can't believe Laurie didn't have her baby birthed on "Baby Story". They've
> already had Paige on "Wedding Story" and Ty and Amy on "Makeover Story" so why
> not Laurie on "Baby Story"? I wonder what she had.
I found this on the TLC website a few days ago.
"Laurie had her baby on August 14th. She had a boy
she named Gibson. He weighed 8lbs, 6 oz. and is 21
inches long."
Lynn
> We had to pull up two layers of tile on our kitchen floor a couple weeks
> ago. It took the two of us only a couple hours after our neighbor lent us a
> floor scraper thingie. It's got a long handle with a 5 or 6" metal plate on
> the end. You can also get them with a place to put your foot on (kind of
> like a shovel) for extra force. The one we borrowed didn't have that, but it
> worked so easily. The metal gets right under the tile and loosens the glue,
> causing the floor to pop right off. DH used the tool, and I followed behind
> picking up the scraps.
I'll second the recommendation for a floor scraper. Even
wimpy old me was able to scrape up both some 60's vintage
glued-on tile and some 80's ceramic tile in a few hours. It
was hard work (and I left the hauling of scraps to DH) but
it was pretty fun :)
Jennifer in Tempe
We were considering a mural for the new baby's room, but
we've decided to hold off for now. We also worry about
painting over it in the future (like, will it show
through?). The murals you have planned sound really cool
and I love your color choices. I can't wait to see some
pictures!
Jennifer in Tempe
calliaz wrote:
When we installed our wood floor, we got rid of the gold wall-to-wall.
We were speculating using it in the guest bedroom (because that has
this brown carpeting we're not too fond of), but decided, in the
end, to just get rid of it.
Our waste service has limits on what they'll take, so I remember having
to cut up the carpeting in 4-foot lengths. Quite fun, once I got
going on it.
> I did similar projects with my girls. The only drawback I found was
> that as they grew out of the room and I wanted to re-paint, they were so
> attached to the art I created "for them" they didn't want me to paint
> over the wall. I am always amazed at how sentimental my daughters can
> be.
I also thought about this when considering a mural for the
baby's room (although I thought *I'd* become too attached).
We're holding off until later to do anything, but I think
we've decided to buy some big canvasses, paint them the wall
color, then paint the mural pieces on them. That way we can
keep them when we want to repaint and they still blend in
with the wall.
Jennifer in Tempe
No, it won't show through, though depending on the colors and the type of paint
you use, you might need a layer of primer over it before recoating with a
regular color.
I'm not that into murals -- and I don't have the artistic skill to do one
myself anyway -- but I want eventually to use either rmagnetic or chalkborad
paint, or perhaps both, on the lower half of our back hall. It's the perfect
place to set it up to just *let* kids scribble on the wall!
Holly
> Our waste service has limits on what they'll take, so I remember having
> to cut up the carpeting in 4-foot lengths. Quite fun, once I got
> going on it.
What did you use to cut up the carpet? Utility knife? We've got some shag in
one of our unused rooms that needs to go, and I'm sure our trash company
would have the same restrictions. We tried to throw out all of our tile from
the kitchen and laundry, and while they took one can-load of it, they left
the other, presumably because it was too heavy. The next week we split the
leftover load between the two cans and it was gone. (yippie!)
Lissi
..
>
> One of them recently did a bed suspended from the ceiling by chains. All I
> could think of was that relaxing would truly become a swinging affair in no
> time.
That's actually the new designer, Kia. I've seen the promo so many
times now, and seen her in it. I think the stuff she does is
atrocious, just horrible. On par with Hildi's copious crap, and
Doug's fuglier things. I wonder if the upcoming Hildi "self portrait"
on the wall will be as scary as her hay wall.
>
> I can't believe Laurie didn't have her baby birthed on "Baby Story". They've
> already had Paige on "Wedding Story" and Ty and Amy on "Makeover Story" so why
> not Laurie on "Baby Story"? I wonder what she had.
>
Laurie had a boy in August. Gibson Witherspoon. I miss her accent on
the show!
Krista in Delaware
lissi wrote:
IIRC, I went through about 3 blades for the utility knife ripping up
the carpet. It was great to get rid of it.
>
>
> I found this on the TLC website a few days ago. "Laurie had her
> baby on August 14th. She had a boy she named Gibson. He weighed 8lbs, 6
> oz. and is 21 inches long."
Good to hear her baby arrived safe and sound, and at a really good
weight, too!
Hmm, Gibson. Can't say that I like that very much -- it sounds like
a surname to me...
--Barbara
>> I found this on the TLC website a few days ago. "Laurie had her
>> baby on August 14th. She had a boy she named Gibson. He weighed 8lbs,
>> 6 oz. and is 21 inches long."
>
> Good to hear her baby arrived safe and sound, and at a really good
> weight, too!
>
> Hmm, Gibson. Can't say that I like that very much -- it sounds like a
> surname to me...
Gibson Witherspoon is weird...I wonder what his
middle name is.
Lynn
> Hmm, Gibson. Can't say that I like that very much -- it sounds like
> a surname to me...
It sounds like a guitar to me. Poor kid's going to spend his
life saying "yes, like the guitar" or "as in Mel Gibson".
--
Rose
> I'm not that into murals -- and I don't have the artistic skill to do
> one myself anyway -- but I want eventually to use either rmagnetic or
> chalkborad paint, or perhaps both, on the lower half of our back
> hall. It's the perfect place to set it up to just *let* kids
> scribble on the wall!
We have been talking about using the kids' handprints as the border
in their bathroom rather than using a wallpaper border. I think that's
as far as we'll go in this house, at this point. When they're older we
may rethink that. When Rich's folks were putting in the wainscotting in
their old house, they marked where it would go and let the boys take
crayons and markers to the area underneath to their hearts desire.
That's something I thought was a good idea.
When I was about five, my mom let a friend and I draw on the wall in her
laundry room before she put up wallpaper. I don't remember doing it, but a
couple years ago she took down the wallpaper and there were my drawings! It
was fun too see them!
Lissi
..
Ducky Lawyer wrote:
>
> > I found this on the TLC website a few days ago. "Laurie had her
> > baby on August 14th. She had a boy she named Gibson. He weighed 8lbs, 6
> > oz. and is 21 inches long."
> Good to hear her baby arrived safe and sound, and at a really good
> weight, too!
>
> Hmm, Gibson. Can't say that I like that very much -- it sounds like
> a surname to me...
> --Barbara
If Laurie or her DH is from the South, it probably IS a surname.
They live in Mississippi. That's pretty darn Southern.
Krista in Delaware.