NETSCAPE Help NewsGroup
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.mozilla,
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, Ed Mullen said about:
Re: I can't get online
> Justin wrote:
> > New World Disorder wrote on [Thu, 25 Mar 2010]:
> >> I went back to IE. Mozilla's for imbeciles.
> >
> > Yet those imbeciles are able to get it to work just fine.
> > Says more about you than it does anyone else.
>
> Obviously just a troll.
He couldn't even fake a coherent question.
An aside, it seems mozzilla corp is attempting
with some success to assimillate the Usenet Netscape
newsgroups. I'll not be assimilated, on general
principle.
But it seems to me that we Useneters are making
that easy for them since there is no Netscape.help
newsgroup...that is, something that would show up
definatively as Netscape help in a "netscape" search
of the NGs. I'm guessing many people would give up
after a few attempts subscribing to unused NGs
---even if they thought of searching "mozilla".
It also seems the *used* help NGs are being watered down,
divided between alt.fan.mozilla and
netscape.public.mozilla.browser and....?
...combined with other issues, and the drastically
reduced traffic and associated relative penetration
of spam, degrades the experience I think...even
causing a first glance to turn up as unused.
I hope someone with more savvy than I will
start a new NG called something explicitly
along these lines. I hesitate to suggest that
knowing it may seem to further water down
and divide the trafic, but I think to the contrary,
clean, positive search results will increase traffic.
...so I'm cross posting this, pretty much in
my percieved desperation to keep Usenet netscape alive.
netscape.public.mozilla.browser,
alt.fan.mozilla,
alt.netscape,
netscape.public.general,
Any ideas for a new newsgroup name?
or is it a terrible idea?
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
Ralph Fox
pla...@work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
> An aside, it seems mozzilla corp is attempting
> with some success to assimillate the Usenet Netscape
> newsgroups. I'll not be assimilated, on general
> principle.
The netscape.public.mozilla.* newsgroups were set up
for the mozilla organization, not as Netscape help
newsgroups.
> But it seems to me that we Useneters are making
> that easy for them since there is no Netscape.help
> newsgroup...that is, something that would show up
> definatively as Netscape help in a "netscape" search
> of the NGs.
You appear to be looking for newsgroups such as
netscape.navigator and netscape.nertscape6.windows.
You will find these newsgroups on Netscape's SSL news
server using these settings:
News server name: secnews.netscape.com
Secure connection (SSL): Yes
Port: 563 (the default when SSL is turned on)
Generally speaking, only the netscape.public.*
newsgroups were available from other Usenet servers.
> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243
Unfortunately Forte Free Agent 1.21 does not support SSL.
You must use SSL to access the Netscape help newsgroups
on Netscape's news server. If you don't use SSL you
will get a smaller list of newsgroups, missing the Netscape
help newsgroups.
You can either use an add-on like STunnel to provide the
SSL for Free Agent, or you can walk the talk and use a
Netscape newsreader (Netscape newsreaders do support SSL).
You can use Mozilla Thunderbird too, but you may need
to enable the "security.ssl3.rsa_rc2_40_md5" preference.
> It also seems the *used* help NGs are being watered down,
> divided between alt.fan.mozilla and
> netscape.public.mozilla.browser and....?
> ...so I'm cross posting this, pretty much in
> my percieved desperation to keep Usenet netscape alive.
>
> netscape.public.mozilla.browser,
> alt.fan.mozilla,
> alt.netscape,
> netscape.public.general,
>
> Any ideas for a new newsgroup name?
> or is it a terrible idea?
1. Stick with alt.netscape.
2. Use the existing netscape.* groups on Netscape's SSL news server.
3. If these NGs seem dead, that is because Netscape seems dead.
Trying to create more newsgroups won't change that one jot.
It will only divide any remaining Netscape discussions.
--
Regards
Ralph
Crash!
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, about: Re: NETSCAPE Help NewsGroup;
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:50:22 GMT, in message <aqidnURwfupQ_1vW...@pghconnect.com>
> pla...@work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
>
> > An aside, it seems mozzilla corp is attempting
> > with some success to assimillate the Usenet Netscape
> > newsgroups. I'll not be assimilated, on general
> > principle.
>
> The netscape.public.mozilla.* newsgroups were set up
> for the mozilla organization, not as Netscape help
> newsgroups.
Sorry, I had a brain fart.
I'm so used to associating Moz with
Netscape, that I said Netscape every time
I really meant firefox!
>
>
> > But it seems to me that we Useneters are making
> > that easy for them since there is no Netscape.help
> > newsgroup...that is, something that would show up
> > definatively as Netscape help in a "netscape" search
> > of the NGs.
...so I'm actually wanting for a Usenet Firefox.help!
>
> You appear to be looking for newsgroups such as
> netscape.navigator and netscape.nertscape6.windows.
> You will find these newsgroups on Netscape's SSL news
> server using these settings:
>
> News server name: secnews.netscape.com
> Secure connection (SSL): Yes
> Port: 563 (the default when SSL is turned on)
>
> Generally speaking, only the netscape.public.*
> newsgroups were available from other Usenet servers.
>
>
> > X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243
>
> Unfortunately Forte Free Agent 1.21 does not support SSL.
I guess. But being happily subscibed to some 30
NGs tho, Moz is the ONLY outlander I've ever heard of.
(...at least so exclusively blatant about it.)
So I'm not exactly weeping nor scrambling to join
up with what appears to be a Moz control issue similar to
all those years MS dicked with the Web with proprietary
stuff. One hopes with Moz's newfound growing marketshare,
we don't see a redeux. One hopes Moz knows why it's been
growing...or is it MS shrinking?
> You must use SSL to access the Netscape help newsgroups
> on Netscape's news server. If you don't use SSL you
> will get a smaller list of newsgroups, missing the Netscape
> help newsgroups.
>
> You can either use an add-on like STunnel to provide the
> SSL for Free Agent, or you can walk the talk and use a
> Netscape newsreader (Netscape newsreaders do support SSL).
> You can use Mozilla Thunderbird too, but you may need
> to enable the "security.ssl3.rsa_rc2_40_md5" preference.
>
>
> > It also seems the *used* help NGs are being watered down,
> > divided between alt.fan.mozilla and
> > netscape.public.mozilla.browser and....?
>
> > ...so I'm cross posting this, pretty much in
> > my percieved desperation to keep Usenet netscape alive.
...cuz there are ZERO firefox NGs!!!!
ZERO firefox.help NGs!!!! ZERO ZERO ZERO !!!
laugh....
> >
> > netscape.public.mozilla.browser,
> > alt.fan.mozilla,
> > alt.netscape,
> > netscape.public.general,
> >
> > Any ideas for a new newsgroup name?
> > or is it a terrible idea?
>
> 1. Stick with alt.netscape.
> 2. Use the existing netscape.* groups on Netscape's SSL news server.
> 3. If these NGs seem dead, that is because Netscape seems dead.
> Trying to create more newsgroups won't change that one jot.
> It will only divide any remaining Netscape discussions.
Thanks for your very good and thoughtful reply.
But Due to my terrible mistake, it's obviously no help to me.
I feel like such a fool with that brainfart.
My apologies again.
Xposted again to
netscape.public.mozilla.browser, alt.fan.mozilla, alt.netscape,
netscape.public.general