Ten Years Ago
Dallman Ross
link on Netcom.com's shell service?
Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
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Aahz Maruch
Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
>
>Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
>link on Netcom.com's shell service?
>
>Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
Nineteenth Virtual Anniversary: today!
Mike Peeler
Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
Of course there are still freakin' refs up there! :-)
> Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
> >
> > Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
> > link on Netcom.com's shell service?
> >
> > Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
>
> Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
-z
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-- Con In Hanc marginis
-- Tact Formation exiguitas
-- non caperet.
Patti Beadles
-Patti
(still using trn and MH after all these years)
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David Arnstein
I am posting this from trn. Happy new year!
Sometimes I get confused and I think I am still arns...@netcom.com.
How I loved that account. I used PPP emulation software to access the
world wide web with Trumpet Winsock and Mosaic. That was a thrill, and
I do not exaggerate.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Dallman Ross
spake thusly:
> Long live the shell! Amen.
>
> -Patti
> (still using trn and MH after all these years)
Hi, Patti. I like your photo site.
--
Dallman
Dallman Ross
<arns...@panix.com> spake thusly:
> Sometimes I get confused and I think I am still arns...@netcom.com.
Last week someone called me to say email had bounced and asked if my
addresses still work. I said yeah. But then it turns out I accidentally
gave him @netcom.com instead of where I am.
--
dman
Ken Wampach
"Dallman Ross" <dman@localhost.> wrote in message
news:iflehd$oku$1...@reader1.panix.com...
I spent a few years at Eskimo North, but the owner made some
changes I chose not to tollerate. I decided I didn't really NEED
Unix access anymore, so I decided to access the Internet from
Windows and to get my netnews fixes via a newsguy account. My
wife's business has dial-up network access through them, as an
emergency back-up, and they include netnews as part of the deal.
Glad to see that some olf the old gang still monitors this news
group.
--
Ken Wampach - FirstNameATLastNameDOTorg
Brett Frankenberger
Am I the only one who still maintains his @netcom.com address?
-- Brett
David Lesher
>In article <iflekv$bh2$1...@somewhere.example>,
>Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Of course there are still freakin' refs up there! :-)
>> Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
>> > link on Netcom.com's shell service?
>> >
>> > Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
>>
>> Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
>Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
Is anyone left?
--
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Don Poitras
I maintained it up until the point where Earthlink told me they couldn't
offer me higher speed DSL. I pointed out that Bellsouth owned the
equipment and were offering me a higher speed. Earthlink said it
couldn't be done. Switched to Bellsouth and have been 3 mpbs ever
since. I never really used the address, so it wasn't really that
painful to give it up. What I'd really like back was my ibm.net
address. :)
--
Don Poitras
Rich Greenberg
David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>Mike Peeler <zcon...@forged.fake> writes:
>
>>In article <iflekv$bh2$1...@somewhere.example>,
>>Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>Of course there are still freakin' refs up there! :-)
>
>>> Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
>>> > link on Netcom.com's shell service?
>>> >
>>> > Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
>>>
>>> Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
>
>>Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
>
>Is anyone left?
One here in sunny Florida.
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Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67
Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero & Casey (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L
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Mark Shaw
> Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
Yo.
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- Planet Express Ship
Greg Andrews
>Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
>link on Netcom.com's shell service?
>
>Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
>
Happy New Year! And many more to all of you.
-Greg (formerly ge...@netcom.com)
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::::::::::::: Greg Andrews ::::: ge...@panix.com :::::::::::::
I have a map of the United States that's actual size.
-- Steven Wright
docd...@panix.com
Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
>Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
>link on Netcom.com's shell service?
Must of been one of those Y2K bugs, aye.
>
>Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
A happy, healthy, sweet and prosperous one to you, yours and others.
DD
Mike Roach
<ric...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <ifm550$std$2...@reader1.panix.com>,
>David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Mike Peeler <zcon...@forged.fake> writes:
>>
>>>In article <iflekv$bh2$1...@somewhere.example>,
>>>Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Of course there are still freakin' refs up there! :-)
>>
>>>> Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
>>>> > link on Netcom.com's shell service?
>>>> >
>>>> > Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
>>>>
>>>> Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
>>
>>>Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
>>
>>Is anyone left?
>
>One here in sunny Florida.
Here's another one. I don't do much on-line any more, though that
depends on your definition of online (@ihackmore on Twitter).
--
Life is a whim of several billion cells to be you for a while.
John Haskey
at Panix ever since. Have my own servers but still use Panix for backup
access.
I've posted this before but for what it's worth:
<hrmm> bye bye!
<mnem> heh heh i'll get nuked
<wmwong> bye all
<cannon> THIS IS THE BIG ONE. IM COMIN HOME
<notnetcom> 35 seconds
<daz_> game over man...
<zconcept> REally? I didn't know he was a netcommer at all.
<JKordic> HASTA!
<shad0ws> Thank you all for everything...
[1] 23:59 johnh on #netcom.co [Mail: 1] * type /help for help
#netcom.com> see ya
*** FINAL System shutdown message from ro...@netcom4.netcom.com ***
> see ya
*** Signoff: wmwong (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
*** Signoff: jd (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
<ph111> ... whatever it was, it just burned up into the atmosphere
*** Signoff: nebulus (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
*** Signoff: daz (Connection reset by peer)
*** Signoff: junkman (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
*** Signoff: fliptron (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
*** Unicron_ (uni...@netcom6.netcom.com) has joined channel #netcom.com
<smp> my who on netcom 2 says 214
<shad0ws> oh gos
<kkfong> immediagely
*** Signoff: jeffml (Leaving)
*** Signoff: hrmm (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
*** Signoff: cannon (EOF of client)
*** Signoff: byronw (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
*** Signoff: tessie (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
*** Signoff: mnem (Leaving)
*** Signoff: rrwoo (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
*** Signoff: drummer (Read error: 0 (Error 0 occurred.))
Connection closed by foreign host.em going down IMMEDIATELY
Hud Nordin
John Haskey <jo...@panix.com> wrote:
>Happy New Year as well! I gave up my netcom address long ago and have
>at Panix ever since. Have my own servers but still use Panix for backup
>access.
>
>I've posted this before but for what it's worth:
I found more IRC log at:
<http://thefoots.com/stuff/netcom_irc_log>
--
Hud Nordin <h...@panix.com> Silicon Valley
Remus Shepherd
> <ric...@panix.com> wrote:
> >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>Mike Peeler <zcon...@forged.fake> writes:
> >>>> Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
> >>>> > Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
> >>>> > link on Netcom.com's shell service?
> >>>> > Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
> >>>> Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
> >>>Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
> >>Is anyone left?
> >One here in sunny Florida.
> Here's another one. I don't do much on-line any more, though that
> depends on your definition of online (@ihackmore on Twitter).
I'm still here. I use my Panix account every day. I just can't give
up the POWAH of having a shell account. :)
... ...
Remus Shepherd <re...@panix.com>
New Webcomic: Genocide Man http://www.genocideman.com/
Life is funny. Death is funnier. Mass slaughter can be hilarious.
Ron Peterson
> Mike Roach <never...@panix.com.invalid> wrote:
> > <ric...@panix.com> wrote:
> > >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
> > >>Mike Peeler <zcon...@forged.fake> writes:
> > >>>Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
> > >>>> > Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
> > >>>> > link on Netcom.com's shell service?
> > >>>> > Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
> > >>>> Damn (as opposed to dman) straight!
> > >>>Thought I ought to chime in. Might be nice if a few others joined us!
> > >>Is anyone left?
> > >One here in sunny Florida.
> > Here's another one. I don't do much on-line any more, though that
> > depends on your definition of online (@ihackmore on Twitter).
> I'm still here. I use my Panix account every day. I just can't give
> up the POWAH of having a shell account. :)
Likewise.
Ron
Mike Van Pelt
Ron Peterson <r...@panix.com> wrote:
>Remus Shepherd <re...@panix.com> wrote:
>> I'm still here. I use my Panix account every day. I just
>> can't give up the POWAH of having a shell account. :)
>
>Likewise.
Same here. I've had a shell account here at Calweb since
the Netcom shell accounts went away.
--
"The urge to save humanity is almost | Mike Van Pelt
always a false front for the urge to rule." | mvp at calweb.com
-- H.L. Mencken | KE6BVH
HankVC
accounts on nyx.net and eskimo.com as I retired about six months
later, and lived in the Denver Tech Center, which meant "26400 baud
only, no DSL, no anything else.
Moved up here to the middle of Wyoming about a year later, to discover
that one of my neighbors had just been hired by a local service to set
up high-speed radio link networking in the valley. He was astounded
to discover his neighbor had Sun Sparcs running Solaris, and more
astounded when they put an antenna on my place and I was able to check
out the setup before his tech's Windows software could boot up.
So I've had a couple servers running out of the house for years.
Yes, so far as I am concerned, it's trn forever, and I still prefer
elm for mail. Who needs point-and-click when you can use vi?
Good to see all the folks who've checked in.
Hank (vanc...@netcom.com, UID 1913 as I recall).
Aahz Maruch
HankVC <han...@blackhole.lostwells.net> wrote:
>
>Yes, so far as I am concerned, it's trn forever, and I still prefer
>elm for mail. Who needs point-and-click when you can use vi?
You might consider upgrading from elm to mutt -- although I'm still a
hardcore trn3.6 user, mutt definitely works better than elm.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
The best way to get information on Usenet is not to ask a question, but
to post the wrong information.
HankVC
>In article <ifu7h5$ssq$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>HankVC <han...@blackhole.lostwells.net> wrote:
>>
>>Yes, so far as I am concerned, it's trn forever, and I still prefer
>>elm for mail. Who needs point-and-click when you can use vi?
>
>You might consider upgrading from elm to mutt -- although I'm still a
>hardcore trn3.6 user, mutt definitely works better than elm.
Yes, I have mutt on my systems, and pine as well. My installation of
elm doesn't attempt to handle HTML, so it's clean, lean, and mean, and
I like it.
Most of the software I use is compiled from source locally, using Sun
Studio rather than gcc. The trn I run was modified from the 4.0
test76 sources---spent some time under dbx finding and fixing a few
bugs. Can't recall if I tampered with the elm sources.
Hank
Aahz Maruch
HankVC <han...@blackhole.lostwells.net> wrote:
>In article <ifu8s0$r7m$1...@panix5.panix.com>, Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>In article <ifu7h5$ssq$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>HankVC <han...@blackhole.lostwells.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yes, so far as I am concerned, it's trn forever, and I still prefer
>>>elm for mail. Who needs point-and-click when you can use vi?
>>
>>You might consider upgrading from elm to mutt -- although I'm still a
>>hardcore trn3.6 user, mutt definitely works better than elm.
>
>Yes, I have mutt on my systems, and pine as well. My installation of
>elm doesn't attempt to handle HTML, so it's clean, lean, and mean, and
>I like it.
That's a benefit to mutt, but really the main reason I prefer mutt is
because it does threaded e-mail, which helps with mailing lists. I don't
remember the details, but mutt also fixes some bugs with elm. Note that
I'm writing as someone who refused to upgrade to mutt for several years;
now I proselytize it. ;-)
Ah, here's the list of mutt improvements I wrote from a while back
(collated from several messages posted to internal Panix newsgroups --
someone mantains a swish server):
* Better handling of MIME messages
* Threading (if you have mailing lists)
* Ability to easily edit headers
* Smart handling of addresses when replying to messages that you send
(elm sets To: to you; mutt sets it to the To: line of the message you're
responding to)
* More customization
* elm uses a broken algorithm to determine whether messages are new
versus unread; mutt stores an actual header value
* mutt allows you to delete attachments easily (while keeping the actual
message
* More minimal display (more messages per screen)
Brett Frankenberger
Off by two. (I have the final passwd file ...)
vancleef:##vancleef:1915:50:Henry van Cleef:/u/u4/vancleef:/usr/bin/ksh
-- Brett
Patti Beadles
Dallman Ross <dman@localhost.> wrote:
>Hi, Patti. I like your photo site.
Thanks! I assume you mean the blog (stopshootingauto.com) and not
my portfolio (pattibphotography.com).
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA |
pattib~pattib.org | All religions are equally
http://www.pattib.org/ | ludicrous, and should be ridiculed
http://stopshootingauto.com | as often as possible. C. Bond
Rich Alderson
> Ten years ago it was that Earthlink pulled the earthly
> link on Netcom.com's shell service?
> Happy New Year. Long Live *Nix Shell!
Didn't have a spare cycle to go through the followups till today.
Happy New Year, everyone!
I followed the large crowd of folks who were coming over to Panix,
but kept a Seattle-local ISP as well (alde...@drizzle.com) until
they discontinued shell service.
I'm still reading news and mail under Emacs after all these years.
Not bad for an editor I first learned 33 years ago.
--
Rich Alderson ne...@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
Mark Shaw
> I followed the large crowd of folks who were coming over to Panix,
> but kept a Seattle-local ISP as well (alde...@drizzle.com) until
> they discontinued shell service.
I was going to go to io.com, but couldn't get 'mshaw' a username.
Then I went to rexx.com for a while, but their support sucked. Bad.
Been with Panix ever since.
> I'm still reading news and mail under Emacs after all these years.
Emacs is a bloated text editor. But let's not get into yet another
iteration of THOSE wars, eh?
> Not bad for an editor I first learned 33 years ago.
I used EMACS (as a text editor) for a major project in 1992. And
again for news in 1994(L). Never looked at it again.
(Interestingly enough, recently I've moved [in my professional life]
from vi to gvim.)
Bill Evans
> Is anyone left?
Better late than never?
Still on panix.
--
Bill Evans / Box 1224 / Mariposa, CA 95338 / (209)742-4720
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pgpkey.mariposabill.com for public key. Key #: 8D8B521B
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Aahz Maruch
>David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone left?
>
>Better late than never?
>
>Still on panix.
If LiveJournal is a substitute for being informed, I'd rather stay ignorant.
Mark Shaw
> In article <news.Tue.2015081...@mariposabill.com>,
> Bill Evans <w...@acm.org> wrote:
> >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> Is anyone left?
> >
> >Better late than never?
> >
> >Still on panix.
> Ditto
--
Mark Shaw Practicing Eccentric
========================================================================
Do gynoids dream of divorce settlements?
Scott Dorsey
>Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> In article <news.Tue.2015081...@mariposabill.com>,
>> Bill Evans <w...@acm.org> wrote:
>> >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Is anyone left?
>> >
>> >Better late than never?
>> >
>> >Still on panix.
>
>> Ditto
>
>Tritto.
Has it really been fifteen years?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
docd...@panix.com
>Mark Shaw <ms...@bangnetcom.com> wrote:
>>Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> In article <news.Tue.2015081...@mariposabill.com>,
>>> Bill Evans <w...@acm.org> wrote:
>>> >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Is anyone left?
>>> >
>>> >Better late than never?
>>> >
>>> >Still on panix.
>>
>>> Ditto
>>
>>Tritto.
>
>I think we all are.
>Has it really been fifteen years?
DD
Rich Alderson
> Mark Shaw <ms...@bangnetcom.com> wrote:
>> Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> In article <news.Tue.2015081...@mariposabill.com>,
>>> Bill Evans <w...@acm.org> wrote:
>>>> David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is anyone left?
>>>>
>>>> Better late than never?
>>>>
>>>> Still on panix.
>>
>>> Ditto
>>
>> Tritto.
>
> I think we all are.
> Has it really been fifteen years?
> --scott
turned into) the museum for 12 years last month.
Patti Beadles
O. Sharp
the "*** FINAL System shutdown message from ro...@netcom14.netcom.com ***".
It read, simply: "System going down IMMEDIATELY".
Went to Speakeasy when Netcom died, then to Drizzle when Speakeasy gave
up useful customer service, then here to Panix when Drizzle gave up shell
service. I hope Panix stays in business for a long, long time; the
nomadic wanderings got old after a while. :)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
o...@panix.com Netcom shut down on 30 September 2000, at
23:59 PDT. So technically we could all blow out
the fifteen-year candles at the very very end of
next month... or very, very early the next morning,
depending on what time zones we're all in. :)
Scott Dorsey
From ix.netcom.com!kremvax!bobr Thu Apr 1 07:34:23 PST 1999
Article: 376 of netcom.announce
Newsgroups: netcom.announce,netcom.general,netcom.netcruiser.announce,netcom.netcruiser.general
Path: ix.netcom.com!kremvax!bobr
From: bo...@scots.net (Robert McReiger)
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: ScotsNet
Message-ID: <bobr0401...@kremvax.scots.net>
Followup-To: netcom.general,netcom.netcruiser.general
Summary: Important announcement regarding services
Sender: lin...@netcom17.netcom.com
Organization: ScotsNet On-line Communication Sairvices, Inc.
X-Info: BevtvanyNegv...@argpbz.pbzBaNceSvefgAvarglSbhe
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Xref: ix.netcom.com netcom.announce:376 netcom.general:114170 netcom.netcruiser.announce:65 netcom.netcruiser.general:33366
I'd like to thank ye all for reading this little message I've composed,
because this little message is representin' a large change in this
company, and it's no small decision I've made. So it's a good thing ye
took the time to read it. Because I've got a lot to be tellin' ye.
But before I'm about that, I suppose a number o' ye will be won'drin'
why I've gone an' changed me name. Well, I'm goin' to be tellin' ye
that too. I've been resarchin' me heritage, and I've discovered that
I've a wee bit of Scots ancestry in me -- and I've decided that it'd be
fittin' to honor it.
Which leads me to the subject of this wee little announcement. You
see, I dinna think just changin' me name is enough to prove me love for
my new-found heritage. No, I don't. Fairthermore, I've been thinkin'
lately it's about time my company was provin' its intent to turn over a
new leaf by turning into a new company. Wi' a new name, you know.
As such, I've decided that NETCOM Online Communication Sairvices,
Incorporated, will no longer be NETCOM Online Communication Sairvices.
Incorporated. From now on, we're goin' to be *ScotsNet*. And our
domain name, it'll be scots.net.
We'll also be changin' a few of our policies. To start with, we think
anyone who gets an' account wi' us is deservin' of a little
recognition. Any sort of account, from our beloved NetCruiser accounts
all the way to our T1 customers. So whenever ye gets an account wi'
us, we'll be givin' you your choice of a *wee* little terrier, or a
*great whackin' huge* terrier.
Whichever ye like.
And furthermore, if ye've gotten' an account wi' us, and it hasn't
worked out -- perhaps the bairns have been peerin' at the filthy
pictures on Usenet, or perhaps ye can't get the bluidy modem to produce
the bluidy initialization strings, or maybe it's just that your spouse
dinna think you're spendin' enough time wi' your new terrier -- we've
got a way to make it up t'you. We're not goin' to help you get it
workin', but if you can't get it workin', we'll send you a lovely
potted plant. Altogether free. *And* your money back, as an apology.
It's the least we can do.
And in general, there's one thing ye can count on from here on in.
ScotsNet will niver do anythin' less than our very best to be the most
*Scottish* Internet Sairvice Provider we can be, and we can be vurry
Scottish indeed. And we will be.
Because there's one thing we know for sure.
If it's not Scottish... it's *crap*.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert McReiger bo...@scots.net
Chairman, ScotsNet Online Communication Sairvices, Inc.
Mark Shaw
> Still here. I still have a screensave from the moment when they put out
> the "*** FINAL System shutdown message from ro...@netcom14.netcom.com ***".
> It read, simply: "System going down IMMEDIATELY".
> Went to Speakeasy when Netcom died, then to Drizzle when Speakeasy gave
> up useful customer service, then here to Panix when Drizzle gave up shell
> service. I hope Panix stays in business for a long, long time; the
> nomadic wanderings got old after a while. :)
service. Panix is about the best I've seen on that score, across
all products and services I've ever consumed.
Mike Cooper
Boston Globe in 1991). Extremely happy that Panix provides this service.
I also keep Rexx as a backup.
Remember all the runaround we got from Earthlink about the status of Netcom?
At first, we couldn't keep our netcom.com email addresses, then we could.
Conflicting stories about the status of the transition. What a mess it was.
mc
Mark Shaw
> Remember all the runaround we got from Earthlink about the status of Netcom?
> At first, we couldn't keep our netcom.com email addresses, then we could.
> Conflicting stories about the status of the transition. What a mess it was.
curious about this, so I asked. A couple of days later:
A: It's for security reasons.
Q: Yes, I understand that. I'm just curious about what the
actual security issue is. Can you tell me?
[time passes]
A: It's for security reasons.
Q: Um, yes, I understand that. I accept that FTP is no longer
available, and I'm not arguing that it should be turned
back on. I'm just curious about what the actual security
issue is. Can you ask about that and let me know?
[time passes]
A: I spoke to the team responsible for threat management, and
they told me that they have determined that FTP is a security
risk so it's been turned off.
Q: (argh)
--
Mark Shaw
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"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read
the newspaper, you are misinformed." -Mark Twain
Scott Dorsey
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From: Charles Brewer <ser...@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Transition to MindSpring Update
Status: R
Dear "New" MindSpring Customers-
It has now been a few months since MindSpring acquired Netcom, and we have
been working to integrate the operations of the two organizations into one
effective team. Hopefully, the changes that have been occurring have been
mostly invisible to you. However, there are three upcoming changes that
you should know about. We hope these will improve your MindSpring
experience. The three changes are:
* 24x7 Toll Free Technical Support.
* Invoices from the MindSpring Billing System.
* The Netcom Homepage Transition
24x7 TOLL FREE TECHNICAL SUPPORT
We are pleased to announce a new toll free number for technical support is
now available to all Netcom dial-up access customers. Now you can dial
888.646.4644 to reach MindSpring's award winning technical support staff 24
hours a day, 7 days a week. MindSpring representatives have been trained on
previous versions of Netcom software and can assist you with any problems
you may be having.
The toll free number for Customer Service related issues has not changed.
It remains 888.316.1122.
For more information on how to contact MindSpring regarding your Netcom
account please go to:
http://www.netcom.com/transition/contacts.html
INVOICES FROM THE MINDSPRING BILLING SYSTEM
During the past couple of months, we have been working hard to transfer all
of the Netcom customer information into the MindSpring billing system. In
June, you will be billed for the first time directly by MindSpring. The
amount that you are billed will remain the same as it was with Netcom and
if you previously paid by credit card, that same credit card will be
charged. There should be no changes for you except that you will receive
an email invoice from MindSpring. There will be an explanation on the
bottom of the invoice for the charges on the invoice, along with contact
information for Customer Service (invoice...@mindspring.com).
We have had various people review the information many times after it was
transferred to the MindSpring system to catch potential billing errors. We
think we have caught most of the problems, but please accept our apology in
advance if your invoice contains a problem that we did not catch. We do
ask that when you receive your June invoice, that you review it closely.
If you feel that the information is not correct, please contact Customer
Service so that we can correct the information. We certainly want to
resolve any problems to prevent incorrectly billing again in July.
THE NETCOM HOMEPAGE TRANSITION
Ultimately, we will be creating a single web site that combines the best
features of both the Netcom and MindSpring sites. Our goal is to create
the very best site to enhance your Internet experience. This includes
world class content, updates on new products and services, software
downloads, special offers to customers, help tips, online support, and
online account management.
You may have already noticed some changes on the Netcom site and will
likely see many more changes and improvements over the next few months. In
a few cases, you may see some links or features disappear. If so, we will
always try to replace them with a better solution or at the very least let
you know where you can find similar information.
MindSpring is in the process of releasing a custom start page. Shortly
after this is released, we will be encouraging you to use it as your
default start page. By the end of the summer, we are planning on
consolidating all MindSpring and Netcom web traffic. We know how valuable
our homepage is to you and we are looking forward to providing you with the
best start page on the Internet.
Also, some people have asked whether their username will change now that
you are a MindSpring customer. The answer is no, your current username
will remain the same.
Thank you for being a customer!
Sincerely
Charles Brewer
MindSpring Founder and CEO
Henry van Cleef
having fun.
I started by going to eskimo.com in Seattle rather than panix, but
after I retired just before the Sept 11 attacks, got involved with
setting up a new ISP installation at nyx.net. Moved up to Windy,
Wintry, Wonderful Wyoming in 2003, and soon discovered that one of my
neighbors had been hired to set up wireless high-speed direct internet
access at wyoming.com, so got involved with that. When they dropped
Usenet, I got access from my local systems throught aioe and
eternal-september. Still have the nyx account (obviously, as I'm
posting from it). I finally retired from everything but running my
own site in 2010.
So it's been a long journey that never quite did include panix.
Hank
Aahz Maruch
>
>So it's been a long journey that never quite did include panix.
Use your AOL disks -- there are illiterate people in India trying to read.
Hud Nordin
>In article <mrcuh6$4g0$1...@nyx2.nyx.net>,
>Henry van Cleef <hvan...@nyx2.nyx.net> wrote:
>>
>>So it's been a long journey that never quite did include panix.
>
>Glad you're still around!
This used to be such a nice, quiet newsgroup. Now it's yak, yak, yak.
--
Hud Nordin <h...@pobox.com> Silicon Valley
Bill Evans
> This used to be such a nice, quiet newsgroup. Now it's yak, yak, yak.
Aahz Maruch
>h...@panix.com (Hud Nordin) wrote:
>>
>> This used to be such a nice, quiet newsgroup. Now it's yak, yak, yak.
>
>It could be worse. It could be yacc, yacc, yacc.
"I wish Thomas Jefferson would come back and kick everyone's ass." --SJM
Scott Dorsey
This is just a heads-up message that I will probably be changing e-mail
addresses in the next month or so. After eleven years with Netcom,
I am probably going to be leaving.
When Mindspring took over the Netcom shell servers, one of the first things
they did was to eliminate direct news spool access and go to NNTP,
claiming that NNTP scaled better. This is true, but at a performance cost.
Nevertheless they talked about how much faster it would be.
Then, when they did it, it was much slower. Still, Bob, the customer
advocate, kept talking about how as soon as they moved over to the big
Mindspring servers that everything would be faster than ever.
When they moved over to the Mindspring servers, it was like molasses. You
start up rn, and it takes ten minutes to load the active file. It's
totally unusable and I have had to get an account elsewhere to read news.
In the meantime, the Mindspring tech guys are blaming it on the users, claiming
that users are now reading a lot more news than they used to be, and that
the load is higher than they had expected. That's a bit of a cop out.
Tech support is unberably bad. I mean, I thought nothing could be worse than
Netcom tech support, but this is incredible. One day the /var partition on
netcom13 overflowed, and I spent ten minutes trying to explain to a "shell
specialist" what the /var partition was and why the problem was not on my
end. He could not understand that I was using a dumb terminal and that I
did not have a computer, and thus there could not be something wrong with my
computer. I eventually gave up in frustration and just went to another
machine.
As a result, a whole lot of the old-timers have been leaving in droves.
Pretty much all of the folks who maintained the NUGLOPS software archives have
gone, so a lot of the software that folks had come to depend on is no
longer available. Even wb8foz has gone. It's a total disaster, and
it's as if the place was taken over by the Keystone Kops.
Pretty much the only thing that folks use shell accounts for these days
are mail and news, and when half of that is inoperative and the management
of the ISP doesn't seem to care, they don't stick around. Lord knows that
I am not planning to at this point. There has been some general surmise
that Mindspring wants to get rid of the shell service but they don't
want the kind of bad publicity that Digex got, so they are deliberately
degrading performance to drive off users so they can shut things down.
The fact that they are refusing to add new user accounts on the shell machines
makes this seem likely to me. Since I would rather not get cut off when
they finally shut things down this little notice, I am starting to work at
moving things off the machine already. I'll let you guys know what my new
address is when I finally close out the netcom account.
Bill Evans
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docd...@panix.com
>In article <mrd0jn$bkt$1...@panix3.panix.com>, Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>In article <mrcuh6$4g0$1...@nyx2.nyx.net>,
>>Henry van Cleef <hvan...@nyx2.nyx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>So it's been a long journey that never quite did include panix.
>>
>>Glad you're still around!
>
>I'm glad I'm still around!
>
>This used to be such a nice, quiet newsgroup. Now it's yak, yak, yak.
DD
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I just can't bear it.
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Bill Evans
> docd...@panix.com writes:
> > In article <mrij5r$q86$1...@reader1.panix.com>, Hud Nordin <h...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>This used to be such a nice, quiet newsgroup. Now it's yak, yak, yak.
> >
> > Didn't mean to leave you so buffaloed.
>
> Is this some big game you're playing?
>
> I just can't bear it.
bearing it.
bu...@pu.net
Leading Internet Service Provider Decrees all Customers Will be Part of
Drive to End the VP Gap; Hopes to Convert Entire Customer Base by Year's
End
San Jose, California, April 1, 1996 -- NETCOM On-Line Communication
Services, Inc. (NASDAQ:NETC) today announced that it is making a
commitment to the goal of a Vice President's position for every
subscribing customer by the end of 1996.
Called Personal Executive, the program is designed to increase both
NETCOM's subscriber base, and to bring it in line with a 1:1 relationship
with executive staffing. Moving beyond the cautious addition of one or two
Vice Presidents per quarter, NETCOM will begin adding them wholesale by
the end of April. In a related move, Don Hutchison was named Senior
Executive Vice President of Vice Presidents.
"We expect to be naming fifteen to twenty new Vice Presidents per day
during the initial ramp-up," said Internet pioneer Hutchison, "and once
the program is in full swing, we will increase that fifteen to twenty
times over. It's an aggressive strategy, but we feel we can convert our
entire customer base over to executiveships by the end of the calendar
year. Many outsiders view NETCOM's customer base as nothing more than
bunch of java-drinking horn dogs -- Personal Executive will put an
end to that."
"This is no joke," said John Zeisler, Senior Vice President of Marketing,
"we feel that the added draw of being an executive will be what
gives NETCOM that extra edge against the competition. We we all sitting
in a meeting last week, discussing value-point pricing. And it hit me.
'value-point'...VP. Right then and there we knew what we had to do." When
queried regarding the size of senior staff meetings, Zeisler iterated,
"This is no joke."
NETCOM ANNOUNCES PERSONAL EXECUTIVE SERVICE
Leading Internet Service Provider Decrees all Customers Will be Part of
Drive to End the VP Gap; Hopes to Convert Entire Customer Base by Year's
End
San Jose, California, April 1, 1996 -- NETCOM On-Line Communication
Services, Inc. (NASDAQ:NETC) today announced that it is making a
commitment to the goal of a Vice President's position for every
subscribing customer by the end of 1996.
Called Personal Executive, the program is designed to increase both
NETCOM's subscriber base, and to bring it in line with a 1:1 relationship
with executive staffing. Moving beyond the cautious addition of one or two
Vice Presidents per quarter, NETCOM will begin adding them wholesale by
the end of April. In a related move, Don Hutchison was named Senior
Executive Vice President of Vice Presidents.
"We expect to be naming fifteen to twenty new Vice Presidents per day
during the initial ramp-up," said Internet pioneer Hutchison, "and once
the program is in full swing, we will increase that fifteen to twenty
times over. It's an aggressive strategy, but we feel we can convert our
entire customer base over to executiveships by the end of the calendar
year. Many outsiders view NETCOM's customer base as nothing more than
bunch of java-drinking horn dogs -- Personal Executive will put an
end to that."
"This is no joke," said John Zeisler, Senior Vice President of Marketing,
"we feel that the added draw of being an executive will be what
gives NETCOM that extra edge against the competition. We we all sitting
in a meeting last week, discussing value-point pricing. And it hit me.
'value-point'...VP. Right then and there we knew what we had to do." When
queried regarding the size of senior staff meetings, Zeisler iterated,
"This is no joke."
NETCOM ANNOUNCES PERSONAL EXECUTIVE SERVICE
Leading Internet Service Provider Decrees all Customers Will be Part of
Drive to End the VP Gap; Hopes to Convert Entire Customer Base by Year's
End
San Jose, California, April 1, 1996 -- NETCOM On-Line Communication
Services, Inc. (NASDAQ:NETC) today announced that it is making a
commitment to the goal of a Vice President's position for every
subscribing customer by the end of 1996.
Called Personal Executive, the program is designed to increase both
NETCOM's subscriber base, and to bring it in line with a 1:1 relationship
with executive staffing. Moving beyond the cautious addition of one or two
Vice Presidents per quarter, NETCOM will begin adding them wholesale by
the end of April. In a related move, Don Hutchison was named Senior
Executive Vice President of Vice Presidents.
"We expect to be naming fifteen to twenty new Vice Presidents per day
during the initial ramp-up," said Internet pioneer Hutchison, "and once
the program is in full swing, we will increase that fifteen to twenty
times over. It's an aggressive strategy, but we feel we can convert our
entire customer base over to executiveships by the end of the calendar
year. Many outsiders view NETCOM's customer base as nothing more than
bunch of java-drinking horn dogs -- Personal Executive will put an
end to that."
"This is no joke," said John Zeisler, Senior Vice President of Marketing,
"we feel that the added draw of being an executive will be what
gives NETCOM that extra edge against the competition. We we all sitting
in a meeting last week, discussing value-point pricing. And it hit me.
'value-point'...VP. Right then and there we knew what we had to do." When
queried regarding the size of senior staff meetings, Zeisler iterated,
"This is no joke."
"NETCOM has long been a pioneer in the Internet services market, and this
bold new Personal Executive program will help us to close the Vice
Presidential gap," exclaimed David Garrison, NETCOM Chairman and Chief
Executive Officer. "It's as though NETCOM has always been this three-legged
stool, only now we're adding a lot more legs. In fact, I myself will be
accepting a vice presidency as soon as an appropriate title can be
created. Maybe Vice Vice President of Vice Presidents."
The program has already begun aggressively, with the Company this morning
announcing the appointment of a Vice President of Parking, a Vice President
of Elevator Maintenance, a Vice President of Moving Operations to Horizon,
and a Vice President of Not Moving Operations to Horizon. There has been
talk of appointing a Vice President of Indecision, but an internal decision
is yet to be reached as to who is most appropriate for the position.
NETCOM
San Jose, California-based NETCOM On-Line Communication Services, Inc.
is a leading international Internet service provider with years of
network experience. Leveraging its own high-speed nationwide
TCP/IP-based network, NETCOM provides a range of value-priced
Internet services for individuals and businesses. NETCOM's complete
Internet service offering includes Personal Services, value pricing,
software options, local access, 24 hour person-to-person customer
support, and a Vice Presidency in the Company for each new
subscriber. Internet users can learn more about the company on-line at:
http://www.netcom.com/.
Certain of the above statements are forward looking statements that
involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ
materially as a result of a variety of factors, including competitive
developments, and risk factors listed from time to time in the
Company's SEC reports. Having so many executives may be a bit of a
problem, but leading analysts say it is too early to tell.
!!!
a blast from the past - worth a chuckle or two - even more if you were there
Mark
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Bill Evans
> Many outsiders view NETCOM's customer base as nothing more than
> bunch of java-drinking horn dogs
Aahz Maruch
>bu...@pu.net wrote:
>>
>> Many outsiders view NETCOM's customer base as nothing more than
>> bunch of java-drinking horn dogs
>
>Wait. Wait. We WEREN'T a bunch of java-drinking horn dogs?
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