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Seize the Power of Satan
without the penalties
(draft# 13 -- 5/26/00)

"Beyond the Evil of God and State"
copyright © 2000

FOREWORD

Seize the Power of Satan?
Yes, seize the power of Satan without the penalties. Digitize your
brain beyond the evil of God and State into a powerhouse of wealth and
romance.
After thirty-four years of secret research and creating five hidden
Illuminati-Faustian documents, Dr. Frank R. Wallace cracked the "genetic-code"
of human consciousness. He created five Illuminati-Faustian, digital programs
for reformulating the human brain. By pushing the buttons on each of those
five digital-dot Illuminati documents, a person automatically inscribes any
one, any combination, or all five of those non-computer programs into his or
her brain. Each of those newly developed programs -- coded W, P, G, S, and H
(wip'-gish) -- empowers a specific area of the human mind. Each program
restructures one of five segments within one's brain, allowing that person to
outperform everyone, in any chosen area of competitive life, as listed below:

Illuminati-Faustian Program #1: Digitizes the brain with program W to provide
the dynamics to gain limitless riches, wealth, and money, anytime, from any
place on Earth.
Illuminati-Faustian Program #2: Digitizes the brain with program P to
generate unbeatable power to control all who touch one's life, taking them in
any direction, to anyplace, at any time, for as long as desired.
Illuminati-Faustian Program #3: Digitizes the brain with program G to capture
honor and glory not only from whomever one associates but also from entire
populations.
Illuminati-Faustian Program #4: Digitizes the brain with program S to command
sexual-and-romantic love from whomever one chooses, whenever one chooses, for
as long as one chooses.
Illuminati-Faustian Program #5: Digitizes the brain with program H to gain
non-aging health and an ever-exciting life.

Those five W, P, G, S and H Illuminati-Faustian programs are embedded
in the publication "Beyond the Evil of God and State" and in subsequent
documents that link the totality of Neo-Tech literature.

INTRODUCTION
This publication, "Beyond the Evil of God and State", comprises
linking documents written from 1992-2000 by Dr. Frank R. Wallace. Uniquely
placed in reverse-chronological order, those documents reveal:
1. The natural state of human consciousness is not that of mortals but
of immortals evolving beyond any imagined God or proclaimed State.
2. Human mortals exist in an unnatural state of consciousness -- a
consciousness characterized by the mind diseases of mysticism, dishonesty, and
irrationality with their symptoms of destruction, aging, and death. They live
in an unnatural civilization -- a gun-backed criminal civilization called an
anticivilization. That anticivilization, which infests planet Earth today, is
based on the ultimate decline and death of every citizen.
3. Human immortals exist in the natural state of consciousness -- a
consciousness characterized by a disease-free mind that generates limitless
new knowledge and values for self and others. Activating that open-ended
capacity creates ever-increasing wealth and non-aging health to yield
ever-exciting lives for self and others. Those combinations of wealth,
health, and romance arise from self-directed digital programs -- programs that
replace one conscious state with another conscious state. Human immortals
live in a natural civilization -- a universal business civilization called the
Civilization of the Universe. That civilization is based upon the limitless
growth and non-aging health for every citizen.
4. No direct, attenuating, or analog connections exist between those
consciousness states or civilizations. By nature, a quantum separation always
exists between such conscious states and civilizations.
5. Transitions from a mortal state to an immortal state or from an
anticivilization to a universal business civilization involve streams of
self-programmed, digital-quantum jumps from dishonesty to honesty, from
rationality to irrationality, from loss to gain, from disease to health, from
death to life.
6. Natural man abhors self-destruction. He abhors fraud-driven God
and criminal-driven Rulers. Consider, that the fraud God as well as any
parasitical Ruler never advances, changes, or improves from its self-declared
"perfection" -- a state that always ends in decline and death. By contrast,
human mortals digitally evolve into human immortals who forever advance,
change, and improve into ever youthful, exciting, happy lives.
7. The Christian God projects envious hatred upon human consciousness
by "killing 'em all" through flood, fire, Crusades, and finally Armageddon.
Then, after mass murdering everyone, the God State dooms each to exist forever
in utter agony or in utter boredom -- with boredom being the worst existence.
8. Without the frauds and criminalities of God and State, conscious
people continually evolve morally, physically, and intellectually. Such
evolving people increasingly enhance goodness by protecting and advancing
conscious life though limitless value creation via universal businessdynamics.

Digital Evolvement of Consciousness
What does digital evolvement mean? Why will mortal people evolve into
immortal people? How will people digitize out of a mortal anticivilization
and into an immortal business civilization? ...FRW's hidden collection of
1992-2000 linking documents answers those questions.
First consider the historical background leading to the understanding
of digital evolvement through a series of discoveries made since 1966 to the
present year 2000. Step by step those discoveries evolved from:

*a highly profitable 1964 awakening to a new, unbeatable consciousness...to

*the excitingly optimistic universalizing of that profitable consciousness in
1979...to

*the 1985 identification of two distinct civilizations -- a mean, purposeless,
unfocused civilization called an anticivilization and a benevolent,
purposeful, focused business civilization called the Civilization of the
Universe...to

*a 1991 deep-understanding quest for the mechanism that transmutes
consciousness from an unnatural mortal state to the natural immortal
state...to

*discovering in 1992 that those two conscious states and civilizations can
never connect and no analog transition is possible from one consciousness or
civilization to the other...to

*readers of post-1992 Neo-Tech literature discovering with increasing
discouragement that those transitions were quantum in nature with no middle
ground...to

*readers after 1994 began seeing such transitions as a single, big jump
causing an abrupt, total change -- a change that is too great for Earthlings
to contemplate...to

*disheartened readers after 1995 began abandoning or rejecting the idea of
transmuting consciousness from the mortal state of an anticivilization to the
immortal state of a universal business civilization...to

*the sudden reversal of that pessimism via a sweeping discovery in mid-year
2000: changes in (1) conscious states and in (2) civilization itself are
digital -- not continuous, analog, or holistic -- in nature. The mind is, in
a sense, like a quantum computer. A fully innocent, honest child of six, for
example, begins receiving a stream of negative (-) bits of dishonesty and
irrationality into his or her brain. Those (-) inscription bits "teleport"
that child increasingly into the mortal state of an anticivilization. But, an
adult can, through Neo-Tech, volitionally direct streams of irreversible
positive (+) bits of fully integrated honesty and wide-scope rationality into
his or her brain. Those (+) inscription bits "teleport" his or her brain
toward the immortal state of a universal business civilization -- the
Civilization of the Universe. Thus, conscious Earthlings can methodically
change bit by digital bit from various dishonest-and-irrational states into
fully honest-and-rational states -- from diseased mortal states into healthy
immortal states.

Neo-Tech businessdynamics comprise the ultimate-good polis sought 2300
years ago by Aristotle -- a government of universal morality,
non-force/non-crime civics, objective law, and limitless value creation. In
such a polis, the spirit of Sophocles' Antigone is the greatest spirit.
Today, with the self-directed digitizing of the conscious mind into both an
immortal consciousness and a universal business civilization, Aristotle's
teleological view of design in nature's final purpose shines full glare: The
immortal growth and prosperity of consciousness via universal businessdynamics
is the ultimate design and purpose of nature and existence.

Digital Conscious Evolvement
Discovering the self-directed, digital evolvement of one's
consciousness lets a person directly command his or her life with streams of
quantum-bits designed to advance one toward limitless wealth, power, and
romance -- toward a self-created, universal business civilization -- toward
the Civilization of the Universe. That unstoppable direction is illustrated in
the following narrative mapping of (1) the past forty-eight years of Neo-Tech
development and (2) the projection into the first ten years of the new
millennium.

The Neo-Tech Journey
In 1952, during an assigned college debate, Frank R. Wallace's (FRW)
argued for the justification of the Korea War. Midway in the debate, he
uttered the sentence "Who are we to question the actions of our government?"
In the course of those ten words, FRW forever reversed the essence of his
thinking about gun-backed government from never questioning its actions…to
questioning its every action. On finishing that sentence, pausing in shock,
he thought, "Did I say that?" From that point on, he questioned every action
not only of government but also of any fraud-backed or forced-backed
authority.
Later that same year, FRW was temporarily expelled from college for
running a high-stakes poker game in the attic of his fraternity house. From
that experience, he realized that no one knew how to think with fully
integrated honestly or conduct wide-scope accounting in reckoning reality.
In 1958, FRW read an editorial in Barron's financial weekly by its
late great editor Robert M. Bleiberg about the marvels of one of man's
most-outstanding achievements -- the widely affordable, mass-produced,
amazingly reliable automobile. On reading that article, Wallace became
inscribed with a profound respect and admiration for free enterprise and the
businesspeople, entrepreneurs, engineers, artists, and scientists who create
and produce competitive values for everyone. …His respect and admiration of
competitive businessdynamics grew from that day to the present.
From being a severe dyslexic who was barely able to read and write,
despite his Ph.D. in chemistry, Wallace put forth an intense multi-year
(1959-1966) effort to develop into a widely read reader and an accomplished
technical writer. Still, Wallace never thought or desired to become a writer
of anything beyond his technical field.
By 1966, Dr. Wallace was making more money in two high-stake poker
games a week than he was making as a Senior Research Chemist at E. I. du Pont
de Nemours. Yet, he never thought of becoming a full-time professional
player. Moreover, despite its lucrative income stream, he grew to despise
poker as nothing more than wasting his life among his marks -- gambling fools
-- losers. Yet, he embarked on reading every known poker book. From that
project, FRW realized that no one, not even the so-called experts and
professionals, understood the following wide-scope-accounting essences of
poker:
* a unique non-gambling activity with a guaranteed income for the minuscule
minority who understands its essence,
* an irrational gambling activity with guaranteed losses for the vast majority
who misunderstands its essence,
* even world-class professionals are routinely beatable by the Neo-Tech player
identifying and then manipulating their mysticisms and irrationalities into
their defeats,
* the biggest winner is actually the biggest loser via the irreversible
consumption of his time, talent, and life.
Upon those realizations, FRW knew he must write a metaphorical book
about poker -- an activity that forty-million Americans consumed their time,
talent, and money without knowing its nature or essence. During nights and
weekends for two years, Wallace wrote and then published in 1968 a radically
different book, "Poker, a Guaranteed Income for Life by using the Advanced
Concepts of Poker". It became the best-selling poker book in history
(www.neo-tech.com/poker). Still, Wallace figured that less than 1% of his
readers grasped the underlying ideas and money/power/love values the book
delivered via metaphor. Indeed, that book embodied the treasures of the
future for Earthlings -- the Neo-Tech foundations for acquiring limitless
wealth, non aging-health, and endless romantic excitement.

(continued elsewhere in the Neo-Tech literature)

Zoom

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Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan? (i.e., as
in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
anything like that?)

~Zoom

Mike Wahler

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Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You want to know the content, but aren't willing
to read it to find out?

-Mike


Zoom

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Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive "Seize the
power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god in a
negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?) The negative assertions against
the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic. THAT was
my question. I did read it. Any my question still stands, "What does
that have to do with satan" (another mystic being) unless only used as a
metaphor against anything christian?

~Zoom

Mike Wahler

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Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Wahler wrote:
> >
> > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan? (i.e.,
as
> > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> > > anything like that?)
> > >
> > > ~Zoom
> >
> > You want to know the content, but aren't willing
> > to read it to find out?
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive "Seize the
> power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god in a
> negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?)

Well that's the generally accepted (by both the devout and
atheist) relationsip.

? The negative assertions against


> the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic.

Um, even the Christian Bible calls Satan 'negative to the church'.


> THAT was
> my question. I did read it. Any my question still stands, "What does
> that have to do with satan" (another mystic being) unless only used as a
> metaphor against anything christian?

NTP material typically does use metaphors quite a bit.

-Mike

>
> ~Zoom

Jeremiah Galtweizer

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>
>Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive "Seize the
>power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god in a
>negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?) The negative assertions against
>the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic. THAT was

>my question. I did read it. Any my question still stands, "What does
>that have to do with satan" (another mystic being) unless only used as a
>metaphor against anything christian?
>
>~Zoom


I think the key to this piece is the Illuminati-Faustian Programs.
Faustian=satanic. This is juxtaposed to heaven and god.
Who wants to go to heaven, all the interesting people are in hell.
Using this, the unimaginable boredom of "heaven" is linked to
the state's pseudo-justification of in-god-we-trust to give them
unjust "righteous" power over us. Now, when we see the state's
true evil - unimaginable boredom and death forced upon us -
we do a complete reversal. The analogy here is the power of
satan - for the real good. "faustian" program - get it?

This is just another metaphor along the lines of god-man.
It all fits together, once you think about it.
Keep on reading, keep on thinking. :-)

J.G.

Vernon O

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Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
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>
> Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8gr7p6$l6q$0...@207.127.211.8...
> > Mike Wahler wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan? (i.e.,
> as
> > > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> > > > anything like that?)
> > > >
> > > > ~Zoom
> > >
> > > You want to know the content, but aren't willing
> > > to read it to find out?
> > >
> > > -Mike
> >
> > Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive "Seize the
> > power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god in a
> > negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?)
>
> Well that's the generally accepted (by both the devout and
> atheist) relationsip.
>
> ? The negative assertions against

> > the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic.
>
> Um, even the Christian Bible calls Satan 'negative to the church'.
>

No it doesn't, not even if one "digitizes it"

Vernon O

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>
P.S.
As far as I can figure Neo-tech is not about remaining ignorant nor is it
about being dishonest in communication.

Vernon O

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Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan? (i.e., as
> in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> anything like that?)
>
> ~Zoom

No. It's about something called digitize.

That either means
1. Assigning binary numbers to analog criteria. (still analog base)
2. Using one's finger (more than likely the middle one.)

Mike Wahler

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Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> news:8grg8n$mdf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> >
> > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8gr7p6$l6q$0...@207.127.211.8...

> > > Mike Wahler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan?
(i.e.,
> > as
> > > > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> > > > > anything like that?)
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Zoom
> > > >
> > > > You want to know the content, but aren't willing
> > > > to read it to find out?
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > >
> > > Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive "Seize
the
> > > power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god in a
> > > negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?)
> >
> > Well that's the generally accepted (by both the devout and
> > atheist) relationsip.
> >
> > ? The negative assertions against
> > > the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic.
> >
> > Um, even the Christian Bible calls Satan 'negative to the church'.
> >
>
> No it doesn't, not even if one "digitizes it"

I have no idea what your introduction of the term
'digitize' has to do with this. But are you then saying
that Satan is positive to the church? Or that the Bible
doesn't mention Satan, or what?

-Mike

>
>

Mike Wahler

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Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> news:8grg8n$mdf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> >
> P.S.
> As far as I can figure Neo-tech is not about remaining ignorant nor is it
> about being dishonest in communication.

No it is not. Are you accusing me of something? If so,
out with it.

-Mike

>
>

Mike Wahler

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Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
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>
> Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan? (i.e., as
> > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> > anything like that?)
> >
> > ~Zoom
>
> No. It's about something called digitize.
>
> That either means
> 1. Assigning binary numbers to analog criteria. (still analog base)
> 2. Using one's finger (more than likely the middle one.)

And you were accusing *me* of ignorance?

-Mike

>
>

Vernon O

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Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
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>
> Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
> news:55gZ4.859$bR5....@news.uswest.net...

> >
> > Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> > news:8grg8n$mdf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > >
> > > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8gr7p6$l6q$0...@207.127.211.8...

> > > > Mike Wahler wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > > > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan?
> (i.e.,
> > > as
> > > > > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature]
or
> > > > > > anything like that?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Zoom
> > > > >
> > > > > You want to know the content, but aren't willing
> > > > > to read it to find out?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive "Seize
> the
> > > > power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god in
a
> > > > negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?)
> > >
> > > Well that's the generally accepted (by both the devout and
> > > atheist) relationsip.
> > >
> > > ? The negative assertions against
> > > > the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic.
> > >
> > > Um, even the Christian Bible calls Satan 'negative to the church'.
> > >
> >
> > No it doesn't, not even if one "digitizes it"
>
> I have no idea what your introduction of the term
> 'digitize' has to do with this. But are you then saying
> that Satan is positive to the church? Or that the Bible
> doesn't mention Satan, or what?
>
> -Mike
>

1. The word digitize is in the article quested and use entirely out of
context.
2. Anything "negative to the "church is not "Satan" as you implied. Satan
is as Zoom implied directly. Satan is (in that culture) a spirit not just
anything against the "church" as you call it.
3. No one said that the bible doesn't mention Satan.

Vernon O

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> Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> > news:8grg8n$mdf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > >
> > P.S.
> > As far as I can figure Neo-tech is not about remaining ignorant nor is
it
> > about being dishonest in communication.
>
> No it is not. Are you accusing me of something? If so,
> out with it.
>
> -Mike
>

Recap the last few messages.

Vernon O

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>
> Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
> news:d3gZ4.858$bR5....@news.uswest.net...

> >
> > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan? (i.e.,
as
> > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> > > anything like that?)
> > >
> > > ~Zoom
> >
> > No. It's about something called digitize.
> >
> > That either means
> > 1. Assigning binary numbers to analog criteria. (still analog base)
> > 2. Using one's finger (more than likely the middle one.)
>
> And you were accusing *me* of ignorance?


Are you going to give your new definition of the word for everyone to use
henceforth?

>
> -Mike
>
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Wahler

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Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
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Nope. I already know the meaning of the *concept* 'digitize',
a concept whose value you demean by trying to represent it
as solely a specific implementation of it.


-Mike

>
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Wahler

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> > >
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> > > >
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> > > > > Mike Wahler wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > > > > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan?
> > (i.e.,
> > > > as
> > > > > > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented
literature]
> or
> > > > > > > anything like that?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Zoom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You want to know the content, but aren't willing
> > > > > > to read it to find out?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me rephrase my question. JF (AKA FRW) asserts a positive
"Seize
> > the
> > > > > power of Satan" and then goes on to talk about the christian god
in
> a
> > > > > negative way (i.e., anti-god = Satanic?)
> > > >
> > > > Well that's the generally accepted (by both the devout and
> > > > atheist) relationsip.
> > > >
> > > > ? The negative assertions against
> > > > > the church have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything satanic.
> > > >
> > > > Um, even the Christian Bible calls Satan 'negative to the church'.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No it doesn't, not even if one "digitizes it"
> >
> > I have no idea what your introduction of the term
> > 'digitize' has to do with this. But are you then saying
> > that Satan is positive to the church? Or that the Bible
> > doesn't mention Satan, or what?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
>
> 1. The word digitize is in the article quested

How is an article 'quested?'

>and use entirely out of
> context.

Used by whom? Out of what context? The context in which it was used?
Your assertion makes no sense.

>
> 2. Anything "negative to the "church is not "Satan" as you implied.

If you percieved my words that way, I'm sorry. I meant to imply no
such thing. I meant to say that the *specific* concept or entity known
as Satan (you know, the Devil?) is negative to the church.

> Satan
> is as Zoom implied directly. Satan is (in that culture) a spirit not just
> anything against the "church" as you call it.

That is definitely *not* what I said. I did not say 'anything' against the
church is termed 'Satan'. I was talking about the specific character
mentioned by Christian religion, Satan. The Devil.


> 3. No one said that the bible doesn't mention Satan.

And I didn't say anone did. I was trying to get you to clarify
your statement, by asking questions.

-Mike

>
>

Mike Wahler

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>
> Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> news:8h44f7$dak$2...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...

> >
> > Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
> > news:27gZ4.861$bR5....@news.uswest.net...

> > >
> > > Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8grg8n$mdf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > >
> > > P.S.
> > > As far as I can figure Neo-tech is not about remaining ignorant nor is
> it
> > > about being dishonest in communication.
> >
> > No it is not. Are you accusing me of something? If so,
> > out with it.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
>
> Recap the last few messages.
>

I read them all, more than once. All I can do is repeat:

Vernon O

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Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
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>
> Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
> news:eWgZ4.891$bR5....@news.uswest.net...

> >
> > Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
> > news:8h44eu$8aa$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...

> > >
> > > Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
> > > news:d3gZ4.858$bR5....@news.uswest.net...

> > > >
> > > > Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8go5im$ha4$0...@207.127.211.5...
> > > > > Is there anything in here other than the heading about Satan?
(i.e.,
> > as
> > > > > in the satanic bible [or other objectivist-oriented literature] or
> > > > > anything like that?)
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Zoom
> > > >
> > > > No. It's about something called digitize.
> > > >
> > > > That either means
> > > > 1. Assigning binary numbers to analog criteria. (still analog base)
> > > > 2. Using one's finger (more than likely the middle one.)
> > >
> > > And you were accusing *me* of ignorance?
> >
> >
> > Are you going to give your new definition of the word for everyone to
use
> > henceforth?
>
> Nope. I already know the meaning of the *concept* 'digitize',
> a concept whose value you demean by trying to represent it
> as solely a specific implementation of it.


*concept* 'digitize' how ethereal.
Science speak, confuse the people, keep them dumb, stay in control.

>
>
> -Mike
>
> >
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Wahler

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Vernon O <ver...@contractor.net> wrote in message
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>
> *concept* 'digitize' how ethereal.
> Science speak, confuse the people, keep them dumb, stay in control.

I restored omitted context. If that confuses you,
well, I don't really care.

-Mike


Vernon O

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Mike Wahler <mkwa...@mkwahler.net> wrote in message
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The problem is that I am not confused and refuse to get that way with
cobbled science or cobbled English language.

Full realization and full contextual existence and communication does not
require ambiguous language designed to make one appear intellectual or "in
Power".

Vernon O

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Zoom <anthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My point in all of this:
> Satan is anti-christian.
> Does this mean anything anti-christian is Satanic? Hell no. (pun
> intended)
> It does not follow. An orange is a fruit, therefore all fruit must be
> oranges?
> There are many ways to be anti-christian (i.e., just me being an atheist
> makes me anti-christian), however, it does NOT make me a satanist or
> satanic (not even in the out-of-context christian definition). By
> 'Satanist' and 'Satanic' I specifically refer to The Church of Satan and
> the Satanic Bible by Anton LeVey.
> Now, if NT is going to promote 'the power of satan', my question still
> stands, "What does that article have anything to do with Satan or
> satanism or the satanic bible?"
>
> ~Zoom

Agreed

Mark Myszak

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Vernon O wrote:

> > Nope. I already know the meaning of the *concept* 'digitize',
> > a concept whose value you demean by trying to represent it
> > as solely a specific implementation of it.
>

> *concept* 'digitize' how ethereal.
> Science speak, confuse the people, keep them dumb, stay in control.
>
> >

> If you are confused by concepts--- Learn---- Then you will not sound like an
> illiterate fool.... You are the only one that can keep your self
> dumb....Actually dumb isn't the right word.... Dumb is mute.


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