What Makes Wally Tick?
John Anonymous MacDonald
Note: The word 'flaw' is used here instead of the Neo-Tech cult term
'mysticism.' Additionally, the phrase 'great businessman' is used instead of
'great value producer' so that non-cult members can better follow this
article.
What Makes Wally Tick?
What is this queer thing called NTP? Who is this queer man named Wally?
Is he a businessman, a cult leader, or a revolutionary?
Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, but what kind of CEO
appears on USENET in virtual drag posting stories about sexually assaulting
a critic with a pair of Dobermans? How many CEOs lead a rabble of
followers in an attempt to 'take over' another newsgroup? What kind of
CEO is obsessed with USENET and monitors and directs flame wars on a
daily basis? Is Wally's business a 'great business?' No. His business is a
cash machine set up to separate feeble-minded opportunity seekers from
their money. After twenty years, the business remains a small outfit run
by his children and a few employees. No public stock offering. No coverage
at all in the business press. Completely obscure. Wally is no great
businessman. By any rational measure, he is not even close. Objectively, he
is a successful small business owner. This delusion that he is a 'great
businessman' is Wally's primary flaw.
Wally also likes to fancy himself a revolutionary, but his revolutionary
credentials are completely conjured up. Was he a 'political prisoner'
persecuted for his 'writings?' No. The truth is that he was thrown in jail for
tax fraud. Since Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, he can
only pose as a revolutionary. Businessmen, after all, do not engage in
violence. Christian fundamentalists shoot abortion doctors and bomb
abortion clinics, and animal-rights activists attack research labs, but Wally
just sits home and scribbles. If he grew some balls and bombed an IRS
office, he would gain some real revolutionary credentials and some hard-
core followers. But his flaw limits him to arm-chair revolution and lamer
followers roped in from the opportunity seeker, get-rich-quick crowd.
These followers are not the material of which revolution is made. They do
serve as a money source, albeit a restricted one.
Wally's has a second serious flaw: He believes that he must control the
minds of his employees. Wally operates his business, and organizes his
followers, as a personality cult. However, by all accounts, he does not fleece
followers of every penny as did L. Ron Hubbard. He does not try to bed
every female follower as did Rajneesh. Wally believes that engaging in the
typical cult activities would make him vulnerable to criticism and attack.
He keeps his personality cult low-key, yet he ruthlessly enforces obedience
in his followers and family members. When he says 'jump,' sons 'Mark
Hamilton' and 'Eric Savage' say 'how high?' Wally maintains his mini-cult
because it is a cost-effective way of harnessing others to his cause. As
Camille Paglia has pointed out, the personality cult is a natural form of
human organization. It is effective. Wally uses it. Yet by surrounding
himself with sycophants, he cuts himself off from any useful criticism. How
could a follower criticize a man who claims to have surpassed Einstein?
This flaw prevents his business from growing. Talented employees have
been purged from the company because they resisted Wally's personality-
cult demands.
Wally's third major flaw is the delusion that he is a great writer. Clearly he
is a bad writer. His prose is boring, lacks any lucidity, and rambles on and
on. His invented words like 'thinkon,' 'neothink,' and 'Zonpower' are simply
dorky. He is never quoted by other authors. Nobody takes him seriously
But Wally is blind to this flaw, and the need to hire and retain talented
writers.
If Wally were to dump his delusions of grandeur, he could then follow one
of two paths:
Path 1 is a business path. Free of requiring cultish behavior from his
employees, he could expand his business into a more successful self-help,
libertarian, and objectivist book sales and publishing operation. He could
hire real managers and allow them to expand the business beyond what he
or his family members are able. Then he would have a chance of being an
influence in bringing a more libertarian society into being.
Path 2 is a cult path. Free of great businessman delusions, Wally could
build a powerful cult structure like L. Ron Hubbard, the Reverend Sung
Myung Moon, or Shoko Asahara. He probably has the mind-control skills to
accomplish this, and he would have more money and power to fight the
government.
A possible third path, as mentioned previously, would be as a
revolutionary leader. However, Wally is completely lacking in the personal
charisma for such a role. His one attempt to rally the masses behind him
was his Golden Helmet speech at his trial. Wally did not call witnesses or
cross-exam. His whole strategy was to sway the jury with his oratory. It
was a flop. Wally really thinks that he can rally the masses if he could just
get the advertising
copy right. But his wacky and muddled writing will never capture the
mainstream. The revolutionary path is not recommended.
Wally is deadly serious in considering himself a great businessman, and
will not be able to overcome this fatal flaw. He probably gained the
delusion as a science nerd-boy after having read Atlas Shrugged. Just as
adolescent boys reading "Superman" comics imagine themselves
superheros, Wally probably fancied himself a John-Galt style superhero
bringing liberty to the masses. Wally needs to realize that reality as not
the same as fiction. Reality works a little differently.
Due to his flaws, Wally is stuck with having *both* a cult stunted in its
growth, *and* a business stunted in its growth. This is why he has made no
progress for two decades. Wally is doomed to hang on the horns of this
dilemma and continue on as a phony revolutionary/phony business leader.
This is what makes Wally tick.
A 10th Anniversary Commemorative Post by
A Completely Separate Entity
Jay McBride
GOTCHA AGAIN KOAH! ...bwaa, hooo, haaa, hee, zwoooza
WHO IS THE KING OF ALL HERETICS (KOAH)?
Who is King of all Heretics (KOAH)? He appears to be a vindictive, bitter man
who has a personal vendetta against the Neo-Tech Philosophy and its authors.
Neo-Tech means fully integrated honesty. Neo-Tech also promotes the idea that
everyone, intellectuals and philosophers included, should move into a
high-effort, business-like mode to produce commercially competitive values for
oneself and society.
...It seems that this high-effort, commercial philosophy threatens
KOAH. Thus, he has embarked upon a vengeful, Dan Rather-like
attack on Neo-Tech and its authors. Below are samplings
from past KOAH posts that reveal his hateful, bitter, and often
neurotic nature. --J. Hampton
John Anonymous MacDonald wrote:
> Why thank you. I'm glad you find me amusing while I'm fucking your
> gOOrOO up the ass.
>A man gets raped because he can't defend himself from his attacker.
>Wally is in a completely defenseless position, and can not defend
>himself from attack. Whether he is fucked in the skull or in the ass
>is really of no consequence.
> I don't always talk about fucking everyone up the ass. I talk about
> fucking everyone in the SKULL! (snip)
> As in: 'I am gonna defeat you
> so badly it will be as if I were fucking your daddy Wally Ward's filthy
> skull!'
> - King of all Heretics
>YHBT you fucking moron.
> Get used to it.
>- King of all Heretics
> You have no fucking idea who you are dealing with asshole.
> That is why you fail.
> - King of all Heretics
> But now here I am in your fucking face asshole.
> Hey Ward, choke on it.
> - King of all Heretics
>WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP CRYING ABOUT BEING KICKED OUT
>OF THE OBJECTIVIST SANDBOX (HPO) AND GET ON WITH TOPPLING
>ALL OF THE ANTI-CIVILIZATION? YOU FUCKING BABY!
>-A Completely Separate Entity (ACSE 10/29/96)
> Oh yes Wally - I've got your fucking number.
> - King of all Heretics
> Hey dickwad - starting to feel like the loser you are? (snip)
> having your worthless ass kicked by an
> anonymous wiseass who pisses on your cult constantly while you just lay
> back and take it like a gutless little pussy?
> YOU LOSE FUCKFACE!
> I can tell you're a fucking loser by the miserable look on your face in
> those horrible pictures you had the poor taste to put on your website. (snip)
> Catch you later Mr. Limpet!
> - King of all Heretics
> Oh no. KOAH is a
> stupid fish because he donated all that time RIPPING WALLY A NEW ASSHOLE
> which is of course part of Neo-Crap's GRAND STRATEGY OF WORLD CONQUEST!
> The more people FUCK WALLY'S FILTHY STINKING SKULL the more Wally wins!
> Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket...
> - King of all Heretics
> Would you buy a used philosophy from this man?
> -Editor, The Fuck Zon Gazette
> What's the matter PUSSY, can't GET IT UP? Is your omnipotent virtual
> sooper dooper thinkon energy field collapsing in the face of my awesome
> power?
> Stand and deliver motherfucker - or shut the fuck up.
> Keeping smoking that doobie.
> Keep smoking Wally's cock.
> You are a grovelling, bootlicking little pissant.
> You know nothing about me.
> Remember, Neo-Smegma got their theory that I was an umemployed postal
> worker FROM MY OWN TROLL OF WALLACE WARD!(snip)
> Dumbfucks!
> - King of all Heretics
> Your little dupe is making you look like a complete fucking retard.
> - King of all Heretics
>They declared their intention to 'take over' a newsgroup I was posting to
>(alt.philosophy.objectivism) with their off-topic, irrational, endlessly
>repeated idiotic templates and various other shoddy usenet advertising
>schemes. So I told them that if they did not cease and desist from this
>boorish behaviour they would face a shitstorm beyond their imagination.
>They ignored my warning and persisted in their netiquette-defying
>actions and so they are now reaping the consequences of their unethical conduct.
> You see I enjoy this sort of thing and they made the mistake of
>wandering into my field of vision.
> Yes, it's like I'm fucking the filthy skull of L. Ron Hubbard and he's
> still alive and reading usenet and being personally humiliated in front of
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <327D1D...@chinadirect.com>, Jay McBride AKA Smithers
<mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
>GOTCHA AGAIN KOAH! ...bwaa, hooo, haaa, hee, zwoooza
'zwooza'?
Are you attempting to challenge Matt Keys for the 'Laughing Stock of
a.n-t' title?
Matt Keys
John Anonymous MacDonald (nob...@cypherpunks.ca) wrote:
: In article <327D1D...@chinadirect.com>, Jay McBride AKA Smithers
: <mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
aww, KOAH is just jealous that I can make money
working on the net and he can't. hey KOAH, why don't you write
that book for neo-tech? it looks like you could make
a cool 10 grand or more. try setting up a first virtual
payment account, that way you could stay anonymous and still
get paid by NTP. (http://www.fv.com).
Matt.
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John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <mattkeysE...@netcom.com>, matt...@netcom.com (Matt Keys)
wrote:
>John Anonymous MacDonald (nob...@cypherpunks.ca) wrote:
>: In article <327D1D...@chinadirect.com>, Jay McBride AKA Smithers
>: <mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
>
>: >GOTCHA AGAIN KOAH! ...bwaa, hooo, haaa, hee, zwoooza
>
>: 'zwooza'?
>: Are you attempting to challenge Matt Keys for the 'Laughing Stock of
>: a.n-t' title?
>: - King of all Heretics
>
>aww, KOAH is just jealous that I can make money
>working on the net and he can't.
Jealousy is not a productive emotion.
>hey KOAH, why don't you write
>that book for neo-tech?
Because they haven't indicated whether they are willing to accept my offer.
If they do I will write it.
>it looks like you could make
>a cool 10 grand or more. try setting up a first virtual
>payment account, that way you could stay anonymous and still
>get paid by NTP. (http://www.fv.com).
They have my offer. If they wish to make a counter offer they can do so.
Once we have come to an agreement about the deal we can work out the
payment mechanism.
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <1996110300...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
nob...@cypherpunks.ca (ACSE) wrote:
>Note: The word 'flaw' is used here instead of the Neo-Tech cult term
>'mysticism.' Additionally, the phrase 'great businessman' is used instead of
>'great value producer' so that non-cult members can better follow this
>article.
>
> What Makes Wally Tick?
>
>What is this queer thing called NTP? Who is this queer man named Wally?
>Is he a businessman, a cult leader, or a revolutionary?
You forgot 'raving kook.'
>Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, but what kind of CEO
>appears on USENET in virtual drag posting stories about sexually assaulting
>a critic with a pair of Dobermans? How many CEOs lead a rabble of
>followers in an attempt to 'take over' another newsgroup? What kind of
>CEO is obsessed with USENET and monitors and directs flame wars on a
>daily basis?
A wacky one.
>Is Wally's business a 'great business?' No. His business is a
>cash machine set up to separate feeble-minded opportunity seekers from
>their money. After twenty years, the business remains a small outfit run
>by his children and a few employees. No public stock offering. No coverage
>at all in the business press. Completely obscure. Wally is no great
>businessman. By any rational measure, he is not even close. Objectively, he
>is a successful small business owner. This delusion that he is a 'great
>businessman' is Wally's primary flaw.
He figures if he's doing better than a convenience store clerk he's 'great.'
>Wally also likes to fancy himself a revolutionary, but his revolutionary
>credentials are completely conjured up. Was he a 'political prisoner'
>persecuted for his 'writings?' No. The truth is that he was thrown in jail for
>tax fraud.
Well, he did put up a billboard personally attacking the IRS agents who
took his stash of gold. If he'd been willing to just eat the loss and go
on he probably would never have been thrown in the slammer. Of course if
he'd avoided legal trouble in the first place the feds would never have had
any pretext to lock him up no matter what he wrote.
>Since Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, he can
>only pose as a revolutionary. Businessmen, after all, do not engage in
>violence. Christian fundamentalists shoot abortion doctors and bomb
>abortion clinics, and animal-rights activists attack research labs, but Wally
>just sits home and scribbles.
The term you're looking for is 'crank.'
>If he grew some balls and bombed an IRS
>office, he would gain some real revolutionary credentials and some hard-
>core followers.
As well as some time in a maximum security prison.
Maybe the rest of his life.
>But his flaw limits him to arm-chair revolution and lamer
>followers roped in from the opportunity seeker, get-rich-quick crowd.
>These followers are not the material of which revolution is made. They do
>serve as a money source, albeit a restricted one.
I think this part of your analysis is flawed. Wally isn't a
revolutionary wannabe, he's a political activist wannabe. He likes to
pretend that he has a grand plan to bring down the anticivilization through
a Neo-Crap political movement. I don't see any fantasies of an actual
armed revolution.
Of course I do not rule out the theory that all of his blather about
politics and the Neo-Crap party and so forth is just a big lie - a
marketing ploy.
>Wally's has a second serious flaw: He believes that he must control the
>minds of his employees. Wally operates his business, and organizes his
>followers, as a personality cult.
That is obvious from the way his droids blather and bumble in this
newsgroup every day.
Not an original thought among them.
>However, by all accounts, he does not fleece
>followers of every penny as did L. Ron Hubbard.
Yeah, but this is a sensible policy on Wally's part. Hubbard created
legions of enemies with his hardball tactics. Wally is smart to stick to
getting a few hundred bucks from each sucker rather than going for
$380,000. I mean if you're a ruthless cult leader I suppose $380,000 looks
mighty tempting, but at those rates you somewhat limit how many people can
afford to purchase it retail. And getting people into a state where they
will part with that requires serious mindkilling indoctrination. Wally
would have to set up 'orgs' in every major city to pull that off.
>He does not try to bed
>every female follower as did Rajneesh. Wally believes that engaging in the
>typical cult activities would make him vulnerable to criticism and attack.
Do you have reason to believe that he would like to engage in these
activities?
>He keeps his personality cult low-key, yet he ruthlessly enforces obedience
>in his followers and family members. When he says 'jump,' sons 'Mark
>Hamilton' and 'Eric Savage' say 'how high?'
No wonder they show so little ability to think on their feet.
>Wally maintains his mini-cult
>because it is a cost-effective way of harnessing others to his cause. As
>Camille Paglia has pointed out, the personality cult is a natural form of
>human organization. It is effective. Wally uses it. Yet by surrounding
>himself with sycophants, he cuts himself off from any useful criticism. How
>could a follower criticize a man who claims to have surpassed Einstein?
This probably explains why he cannot bring himself to deal with me as a
value-for-value businessman in regards to his proposed book deal. He
always has to play little mindfucking games like having me send email to
his little dog-boy Matt Keys, or threatening to reveal my name, or making
vague statements about how I might be in trouble because my lawyer missed
some crucial point.
Wally must have been very surprised when he read my counter offer and
realized that I had completely thwarted any plans he might have had to rip
me off, string me along or track me down.
No wonder he ignored it and posted more vague ramblings.
Of course he could prove me wrong by posting a genuine response.
>This flaw prevents his business from growing. Talented employees have
>been purged from the company because they resisted Wally's personality-
>cult demands.
Plus he cannot hire decent new employees or contractors. Matt Keys may
do fine work on the web (if he did the Poker book - that's the nicest HTML
work on the NT site) but he is an abysmal usenet promoter. Wally lost his
best usenet defender - Nicholas Rich - who may actually be coming to his
senses. The motley crew of Neo-Dupes on a.n-t is a living testament to the
inability of NT to keep _real_ value producers in their camp.
And it seems that he preferred to play mindfucking games with me rather
than getting me to write a blockbuster bestseller which would give him a
mainstream product.
Although I can see how he might find the notion that his most successful
mainstream bestseller was a book by his archnemesis on the subject of
totally annihalating his stupid ideas in front of the entire world might
cause a little cognitive dissonance! :)
>Wally's third major flaw is the delusion that he is a great writer.
I'd call that his _first_ major flaw.
>Clearly he
>is a bad writer.
I'd qualify that - today he is a bad writer. The Poker book has some
awkward passages but on the whole it is well written. The device of
portraying the 'concepts' as situations in John Finn's monday night game,
complete with fairly detailed descriptions of Finn's opponents and dramatic
situations, makes the book far more entertaining and readable than other
poker books I've read.
If Wally is reading this he should get a clue - there's a reason that the
Poker book is the most respected and (I'm pretty sure) bestselling thing
you've ever done: It's actually better than your other books.
I don't know for sure why his writing deteriorated so badly. Maybe he's
blinded by ideology. Or he just put more effort into the Poker book. Or
he's letting his sons rewrite his stuff. But whatever the reason, it is
the low quality of his current output that has consigned him to the outer
darkness inhabited only by net kooks, cranks, loonies, wackos and other
objects of derision.
>His prose is boring, lacks any lucidity, and rambles on and
>on. His invented words like 'thinkon,' 'neothink,' and 'Zonpower' are simply
>dorky. He is never quoted by other authors. Nobody takes him seriously
You're forgetting his dupes. The trouble is that no one of consequence
takes him seriously. But he rationalizes that by claiming that they are
all part of the anticivilization.
Of course that theory doesn't explain why other people - like me - who
believe in free markets, life extension, value production and self
improvement and who are as much enemies of what he calls 'the
anticivilization' as he is dismiss his work as the ravings of a kook.
> But Wally is blind to this flaw, and the need to hire and retain talented
>writers.
Yep. Look how he dissed me!
>If Wally were to dump his delusions of grandeur, he could then follow one
>of two paths:
>
>Path 1 is a business path. Free of requiring cultish behavior from his
>employees, he could expand his business into a more successful self-help,
>libertarian, and objectivist book sales and publishing operation. He could
>hire real managers and allow them to expand the business beyond what he
>or his family members are able. Then he would have a chance of being an
>influence in bringing a more libertarian society into being.
Maybe his pride won't allow him to admit that his kids didn't turn out to
be super-dooper John Galts but are at best Eddie Willers.
>Path 2 is a cult path. Free of great businessman delusions, Wally could
>build a powerful cult structure like L. Ron Hubbard, the Reverend Sung
>Myung Moon, or Shoko Asahara. He probably has the mind-control skills to
>accomplish this, and he would have more money and power to fight the
>government.
I hope you aren't serious about that.
Hubbard died a raving PTS Type 3 (Scientology lingo for psychosis)
deluded that he was covered with Body Thetans. Moon got thrown in prison.
Shoko is headed for prison and if he had pulled that shit in the US he'd be
headed for the gas chamber.
Yes he'd have more money and power to fight the government, but the
government would devote a lot more money and power to fighting him.
>A possible third path, as mentioned previously, would be as a
>revolutionary leader. However, Wally is completely lacking in the personal
>charisma for such a role.
Not to mention the fact that being a revolutionary is a pretty good way
to get yourself killed.
>His one attempt to rally the masses behind him
>was his Golden Helmet speech at his trial. Wally did not call witnesses or
>cross-exam. His whole strategy was to sway the jury with his oratory.
Ever read 'The Fountainhead'? Sounds like he took a page from Rand and
tried to base his legal strategy on that.
Pretty fucking stupid.
>It
>was a flop. Wally really thinks that he can rally the masses if he could just
>get the advertising
>copy right. But his wacky and muddled writing will never capture the
>mainstream. The revolutionary path is not recommended.
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think999
Your immersion into the KOAH/ACSE dishonesty machine on Usenet has apparently
blocked you from a sense of reality about competitive business and publishing.
Your proposal to NTP was interesting but unrealistic from the business side.
I had planned to send a hopefully helpful, comprehensive response explaining
why your proposal would serve neither of our best interests. But, in light of
the naive, unbusiness-like (but enjoyable) post below, I decided not to invest
time in trying to correct your misconceptions. You will have to do that on
your own.
Any or all Usenet posts dishonestly attacking business or individuals will be
freely used and published without permission. Any lawsuit challenging this
policy would be welcomed.
NTP’s original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
If you do write a book, try submitting it first to establishment publishers.
If they are not interested, submit it to NTP. Indeed, NTP probably could
make money with it -- perhaps considerable money over many years. For, NTP’s
dynamics are much more bottom-line, aggressively goal oriented than
establishment publishers.
Thanks for helping us set up PGP.
The future belongs to Neo-Tech in the spirit of Schiller/Beethoven’s "Ode to
Joy": Someday, we shall all be brothers an sisters conducting profitable
businesses in the Civilization of the Universe. ...Perhaps we shall meet there
someday -- someday after you understand Neo-Tech and competitive value
production.
In article <1996110522...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
>>revolutionary leader. However, Wally is completely lArticle Unavailable
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <55qs9l$p...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
(think999 AKA Wallace Ward AKA Frank R. Wallace) wrote:
(scroll on down through the lengthy quotes I left in for context, this one
is well worth reading! - KOAH)
>In article <1996110522...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
>nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>>In article <1996110300...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
>>nob...@cypherpunks.ca (ACSE) wrote:
>>
(snip)
>>> What Makes Wally Tick?
>>>
>>>What is this queer thing called NTP? Who is this queer man named Wally?
>>>Is he a businessman, a cult leader, or a revolutionary?
>>
>> You forgot 'raving kook.'
(snip)
>> This probably explains why he cannot bring himself to deal with me as a
>>value-for-value businessman in regards to his proposed book deal. He
>>always has to play little mindfucking games like having me send email to
>>his little dog-boy Matt Keys, or threatening to reveal my name, or making
>>vague statements about how I might be in trouble because my lawyer missed
>>some crucial point.
>> Wally must have been very surprised when he read my counter offer and
>>realized that I had completely thwarted any plans he might have had to rip
>>me off, string me along or track me down.
>> No wonder he ignored it and posted more vague ramblings.
>> Of course he could prove me wrong by posting a genuine response.
>>
>>>This flaw prevents his business from growing. Talented employees have
>>>been purged from the company because they resisted Wally's personality-
>>>cult demands.
>>
>> Plus he cannot hire decent new employees or contractors. Matt Keys may
>>do fine work on the web (if he did the Poker book - that's the nicest HTML
>>work on the NT site) but he is an abysmal usenet promoter. Wally lost his
>>best usenet defender - Nicholas Rich - who may actually be coming to his
>>senses. The motley crew of Neo-Dupes on a.n-t is a living testament to th=
e
>>inability of NT to keep _real_ value producers in their camp.
>> And it seems that he preferred to play mindfucking games with me rather
>>than getting me to write a blockbuster bestseller which would give him a
>>mainstream product.
>> Although I can see how he might find the notion that his most successful
>>mainstream bestseller was a book by his archnemesis on the subject of
>>totally annihalating his stupid ideas in front of the entire world might
>>cause a little cognitive dissonance! :)
>>
>>>Wally's third major flaw is the delusion that he is a great writer.
>>
>> I'd call that his _first_ major flaw.
>>
>>>Clearly he
>>>is a bad writer.
>>
>> I'd qualify that - today he is a bad writer. The Poker book has some
>>awkward passages but on the whole it is well written. The device of
>>portraying the 'concepts' as situations in John Finn's monday night game,
>>complete with fairly detailed descriptions of Finn's opponents and dramati=
c
>>situations, makes the book far more entertaining and readable than other
>>poker books I've read.
>> If Wally is reading this he should get a clue - there's a reason that th=
e
>>Poker book is the most respected and (I'm pretty sure) bestselling thing
>>you've ever done: It's actually better than your other books.
>> I don't know for sure why his writing deteriorated so badly. Maybe he's
>>blinded by ideology. Or he just put more effort into the Poker book. Or
>>he's letting his sons rewrite his stuff. But whatever the reason, it is
>>the low quality of his current output that has consigned him to the outer
>>darkness inhabited only by net kooks, cranks, loonies, wackos and other
>>objects of derision.
>>
>>>His prose is boring, lacks any lucidity, and rambles on and
>>>on. His invented words like 'thinkon,' 'neothink,' and 'Zonpower' are sim=
ply
>>>dorky. He is never quoted by other authors. Nobody takes him seriously
>>
>> You're forgetting his dupes. The trouble is that no one of consequence
>>takes him seriously. But he rationalizes that by claiming that they are
>>all part of the anticivilization.
>> Of course that theory doesn't explain why other people - like me - who
>>believe in free markets, life extension, value production and self
>>improvement and who are as much enemies of what he calls 'the
>>anticivilization' as he is dismiss his work as the ravings of a kook.
>>
>>> But Wally is blind to this flaw, and the need to hire and retain talente=
d
>>>writers.
>>
>> Yep. Look how he dissed me!
>>
(snip)
>>>It
>>>was a flop. Wally really thinks that he can rally the masses if he could
>>>just
>>>get the advertising
>>>copy right. But his wacky and muddled writing will never capture the
>>>mainstream. The revolutionary path is not recommended.
>>
>> Any time he is willing to put up the money I can rewrite his whole usene=
t
>>and web advertising campaign to be appealing to normal people.
>> But he is too wedded to his mysticisms (and his pride) to admit to
>>himself that I could do a better job than he or his relatives.
(snip)
>>>Due to his flaws, Wally is stuck with having *both* a cult stunted in its
>>>growth, *and* a business stunted in its growth. This is why he has made n=
o
>>>progress for two decades. Wally is doomed to hang on the horns of this
>>>dilemma and continue on as a phony revolutionary/phony business leader.
>>>This is what makes Wally tick.
>>>
>>>A 10th Anniversary Commemorative Post by
>>>A Completely Separate Entity
>>
>> I notice that Wally had no response to this.
>> Guess you hit a little too close to home.
>> - King of all Heretics
>
>Your immersion into the KOAH/ACSE dishonesty machine on Usenet has apparent=
ly
>blocked you from a sense of reality about competitive business and publishi=
ng.
Not at all. In fact as you'll see below I have a very clear picture of
publishing. The reason your original offer was unacceptable is that I also
have a very clear sense of reality about Neo-Tech Publishing company.
Here is some of my analysis of your original offer:
>$2000 advance against royalties on receipt of floppy discs or a zip-drive t=
ape
(snip)
>Additional $3000 advance on acceptance the manuscript for publication.
>
>A final $3000 advance on publication.
Unacceptable.
Now you might ask why, since the above does add up to the $8,000 I
requested, and it is pretty close to standard publishing industry practice,
it is unacceptable? It's very simple: I think there's a good chance you
guys want revenge on me.
I know that I would be a bit annoyed if someone was goofing on me for an
entire year before the entire world! You could have some fun making me go
to all the trouble of editing and writing an entire book and then reject my
manuscript, pulling the rug out from under me and gloating about it on
alt.neo-tech and on the web and in those dumb templates.
Even if the above agreement was seen to obligate you to deliver $2,000
upon getting my manuscript you might be willing to eat the $2,000 just to
get the satisfaction of screwing me over.
I am not stupid Ward. Don't delude yourself.
Walking into this I knew the following facts of reality about Neo-Tech
Publishing:
* NTP has reneged on deals in the past
BMXertoo was promised a $10,000 bonus which was denied him based on
rewriting the conditions for getting the bonus retroactively. So your word
isn't worth shit.
* NTP tells lies
How does NTP lie? Let me count the ways: NTP lied when they claimed
that I was created by Drew Ellis. They lied when they said I was a
machine. They lied when they said I was working for them. They lied when
they claimed to have a policy of never suing anyone and then promptly
threatened to sue BMXertoo and Betsy Speicher when they dared to defy the
will of Zon. And their entire advertising campaign for their products is
based on lies - lies about omnipotence, omniscience, and limitless success
in romance and business.
* NTP personell hate my guts
No one writes fantasies about their opponent being gang-raped by
doberman pinchers unless they have a serious grudge against them. From day
one NTP's hatred and fear of criticism has been manifest in their responses
to me. Which brings me to:
* NTP makes threats
Since this has begun NTP has threatened to 'expose' me, 'identify' me,
have me ostracized, sue me, and hinted that I could be thrown in prison by
the federal government if my identity were ever exposed. This is a clear
manifestation of their implacable hatred towards me.
So you might imagine that in any deal between archenemies NTP and KOAH
standard industry practice would not apply!
A normal publisher can be expected to pay an author as agreed upon
receiving an acceptable manuscript. A normal publisher can be expected not
to look for ways to humiliate and degrade their authors. A normal
publisher does not pore over the statute books looking for ways to have
their authors arrested by the feds for something the author _wrote_! (I
might also add that lovers of freedom do not look for ways to bring the
wrath of the feds upon people who say controversial things, but that is
another matter)
When I spoke to my attorney two things became clear:
* My only leverage was that I had the book and NTP did not.
* NTP could not be trusted to fulfill any terms of any agreement once
they had what they wanted.
NTP's pattern of deception meant that all the normal publishing industry
practices - practices based in large part on _trust_ - were impractical.
NTP could not be trusted to accurately report sales. NTP could not be
trusted to give me anything once I submitted my manuscript. NTP might want
to use this entire 'book deal' as a ploy to hunt me down, get me arrested
on trumped up charges (the 'terrorist' nonsense they've been spewing) and
as L. Ron Hubbard used to say, 'utterly destroy' me.
So the only solution was to collect sufficient payment in advance in an
untracable manner so that even if NTP completely reneged on their end of
the bargain I would still come out ahead.
Thus my counter-offer designed to:
* Minimize exposure for me
* Collect payment up front
* Thwart any future ploys by NTP to renege
Back to Wally's recent message:
>Your proposal to NTP was interesting but unrealistic from the business side=
=2E
>I had planned to send a hopefully helpful, comprehensive response explainin=
g
>why your proposal would serve neither of our best interests. But, in
>light of
>the naive, unbusiness-like (but enjoyable) post below, I decided not to
>invest
>time in trying to correct your misconceptions. You will have to do that on
>your own.
You posted your 'response' to my offer in that vague message I already
saw (Message ID: <55lljc$h...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>). You can't fool me
with this 'Oh KOAH, we could have worked together but you said such foolish
things that I am going to punish you by not sharing my wisdom.'
Fuck off Wally.
That lameass shit doesn't fly with the King.
I am well aware of the costs and benefits of my counter-offer to both side=
s.
And I am well aware of how you love to string people along.
I have, after all, read 'The Advanced Concepts of Poker.'
Once you saw my counter offer you realized you could not use this as an
opportunity to expose, fool or cheat me.
You realized that in this game I was the nightmare of the predatory card
shark - the 'good player.'
Not a 'fish' after all!
Naturally you found my offer 'unrealistic.'
My offer and your refusal to even discuss it shows that your intentions
were never to deal with me in an honest and straightforward manner.
So be it.
>Any or all Usenet posts dishonestly attacking business or individuals will =
be
>freely used and published without permission. Any lawsuit challenging this
>policy would be welcomed.
Whatever happened to the Objectivist principle that you should respect
the property rights of others?
I guess it went out the window along with honesty, rationality, integrity.=
=2E.
Your contempt for my property rights is duly noted.
>NTP=EDs original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
It is almost certain that you would never publish any book I wrote on the
subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
of whether you publish it.
>If you do write a book, try submitting it first to establishment publishers=
=2E
>If they are not interested, submit it to NTP. Indeed, NTP probably could
>make money with it -- perhaps considerable money over many years. For, NTP=
=EDs
>dynamics are much more bottom-line, aggressively goal oriented than
>establishment publishers.
If you want the book written you'll have to pay for it.
>Thanks for helping us set up PGP.
You got about ten minutes of work out of me for free. That's the last
freebie you'll ever get.
You can gloat about this if you want - you raked in a small pot.
Of course the fact you needed my help to both learn PGP and to realize
that you should be using it shows what a phony 'rebel' you really are.
_Real_ advocates of freedom have been using PGP for quite some time.
After all, if the FBI wants to ban it it must be good!
>The future belongs to Neo-Tech in the spirit of Schiller/Beethoven=EDs "Ode=
to
>Joy":
Neo-Tech has no future. Once you die your relatives will not be able to
manage the company. After they run it into the ground when they finally
sell off the rights to your books the only one worth keeping in print will
be 'The Advanced Concepts of Poker.'
You'll be remembered, if it still sells, as an expert on poker. Nothing
more.
That is better than most people do, but it is not enough for your
overinflated ego.
That is why you're making such an ass of yourself.
>Someday, we shall all be brothers an sisters conducting profitable
>businesses in the Civilization of the Universe. ...Perhaps we shall meet
>there
>someday -- someday after you understand Neo-Tech and competitive value
>production.
I understand Neo-Tech - it is a mail order self help company that drains
the wallets of sad, sorry pathetic people looking for a way to get rich
quick.
And I also understand value production - and a real value producer takes
steps to assure that he will be paid for his work.
You see writing the book would be real work. Posting to usenet is just a
hobby.
Zon help you if I ever see criticizing you as a real paying job!
Nicholas Rich
In article <1996110709...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>, nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>In article <55qs9l$p...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
>>NTP=EDs original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
>
> Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
>complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
>all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
> Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
>threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
>complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
> It is almost certain that you would never publish any book I wrote on the
>subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
>of whether you publish it.
Well, it looks like negotiations have broken down. There are some pretty
obvious reasons for that... Doubtful that this could be resurected, but
here's what I propose:
I offer my sevices on a *results-only basis* to broker a deal between the
two of you, including all terms, etc. I can even get an escrow set up, if
that's where this is headed.
I will act completely impartially, which really doesn't matter anyway, since
in order to get paid anything, I'll have to strike a deal, and to do that, I
have to get you both to agree to it.
A third-party intermediary will do wonders for you. Watch and see.
My deal is this: $1,000 upon successful conclusion of an agreement between
parties, plus 7% of advances and royalties, paid by NTP.
Let me know if you all are interested. Check my recently revised website at:
..to judge my experience level.
KOAH: if this grabs you, please send me the same PGP info you sent ward,
along with any comments, and anything else I need.
Remember, it's results-only, so neither of you have anything to lose, only
to gain.
Nicholas Rich Sachs, Savage & Noble, S.A.
nr...@ss-n.com a...@ss-n.com
Take the legal system away from the lawyers - http://www.ss-n.com
( and make money doing it - http://www.ss-n.com/affiliat.htm )
think999
For anything to happen, "Kaiser" will have to step out of his KOAH/ACSE
dishonesty machine long enough to see reality and conduct business. With any
checking in the business world, one would find that NTP not only has the
highest credit rating, but that no other company has a better reputation for
integrity and honesty in its business dealings. That reputation was built
over many years, starting back in the mid 70s when we went broke, settling
pennies on the dollar on considerable debt. Years later, we paid every
previous creditor not only in full, but market interest rates on all amounts
previously owed when we had no legal or business obligation to do so.
Then, when the government destroyed our publishing company in 1986, leaving it
with many unpaid bills, every penny of owed money was again paid with full
interest several years later. Many in the trade acted with astonishment and
disbelief when we came forward to pay off everyone with interest. Several
large and small businesses wrote us letters expressing this, including PLAYBOY
magazine to which we not only paid a $13,000 invoice from the 70s with full
interest, but we tracked down the sales rep and paid him his lost commission
with interest. This also happened with several inflight airline magazines and
a number of other accounts.
Today NTP is known as the fastest pay in the industry. That not only gives
NTP a quick 2% discount on all invoices, but that quick-pay reputation puts it
in the strongest negotiating positions. NTP also adds to its reputation by
always carefully reviewing jobs, agreements, and invoices for errors. When
errors are found in which NTP improperly gained or were invoiced less then
agreed upon, the other party is immediately informed and paid, even on its own
errors. Thus, today, almost everyone in the trade accepts NTP’s resolution of
disputes without question because of its reputation for thoroughness, honesty,
and fairness.
One can go to any Direct Marketing Convention (DMA) -- regional, national, or
international. Just by asking the delegates, one will quickly discover the
long, outstanding reputation of Neo-Tech Publishing. ...No one in the
direct-marketing trade enjoys a better business reputation than NTP. Can
anyone present a single bona fide business example against NTP? I doubt it.
And, if someone did, NTP would express its appreciation and immediately
correct the problem.
The KOAH/ACSE dishonesty machine keeps recycling a story about a $10,000 gift
not given to an ex employee. The facts were pointed out over a year ago: In
celebration of NTP reaching its goal for 1990, all salaried people and some
hourly workers were generously given $10,000 gifts. The gift was temporarily
withheld from one person for his own sake due to concerns over his drinking
problems. It was feared he might dissappear on a bender with that kind of
cash given to him. Also, paying him in his problem-creating mode would not
have been fair to those who really deserved the gift. For, they were helping
us solve problems, not create them. ...The bottom line is that NTP had no
obligation to give him or anyone such gifts. But, out of appreciation,
$10,000 gifts were given to most employees and withheld from one problem
worker.
NTP has always been honest and fair not only in all business dealings but with
all employees. One of the many beauties of the business world is that no
dishonest muckraker, politician, or journalist can sully an earned reputation
in the business world. In competitive business, only earned money and
reputation talk.
In article <1996110709...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
think999
Yes, NTP would be happy for Mr. Rich to act as an intermediary and escrow
agent. NTP’s offer, however, stands as stated and will not be materially
altered. Also, if "Kaiser" cannot place his manuscript with an establishment
publisher, NTP will be glad to consider it as previously stated. Again, Mr.
Rich could act as an intermediary and escrow agent.
But, for anything to happen, "Kaiser" will have to step out of his KOAH/ACSE
dishonesty machine long enough to see reality and conduct business. With any
checking in the business world, one would find that NTP not only has the
highest credit rating, but that no other company has a better reputation for
integrity and honesty in its business dealings. That reputation was built
over many years, starting back in the mid 70s when we went broke, settling
pennies on the dollar on considerable debt. Years later, we paid every
previous creditor not only in full, but market interest rates on all amounts
previously owed when it had no legal or business obligation to do so.
In article <55t1ue$s...@nntp1.best.com>, nr...@ss-n.com (Nicholas Rich) wrote:
>In article <1996110709...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
> nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>>In article <55qs9l$p...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
>
>>>NTP=EDs original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
>>
>> Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
>>complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
>>all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
>> Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
>>threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
>>complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
>> It is almost certain that you would never publish any book I wrote on the
>>subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
>>of whether you publish it.
>
>Well, it looks like negotiations have broken down. There are some pretty
>obvious reasons for that... Doubtful that this could be resurected, but
>here's what I propose:
>
>I offer my sevices on a *results-only basis* to broker a deal between the
>two of you, including all terms, etc. I can even get an escrow set up, if
>that's where this is headed.
>
>I will act completely impartially, which really doesn't matter anyway, since
>in order to get paid anything, I'll have to strike a deal, and to do that, I
>have to get you both to agree to it.
>
>A third-party intermediary will do wonders for you. Watch and see.
>
>My deal is this: $1,000 upon successful conclusion of an agreement between
>parties, plus 7% of advances and royalties, paid by NTP.
>
>Let me know if you all are interested. Check my recently revised website at:
>
>http://www.ss-n.com
>
>...to judge my experience level.
>
>KOAH: if this grabs you, please send me the same PGP info you sent ward,
>along with any comments, and anything else I need.
>
>Remember, it's results-only, so neither of you have anything to lose, only
>to gain.
>
>
>Nicholas Rich Sachs, Savage & Noble, S.A.
>nr...@ss-n.com a...@ss-n.com
>
> Take the legal system away from the lawyers - http://www.ss-n.com
> ( and make money doing it - http://www.ss-n.com/affiliat.htm )
In article <55t1ue$s...@nntp1.best.com>, nr...@ss-n.com (Nicholas Rich) wrote:
>In article <1996110709...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
> nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>>In article <55qs9l$p...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
>
>>>NTP=EDs original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
>>
>> Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
>>complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
>>all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
>> Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
>>threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
>>complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
>> It is almost certain that you would never publish any book I wrote on the
>>subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
>>of whether you publish it.
>
>Well, it looks like negotiations have broken down. There are some pretty
>obvious reasons for that... Doubtful that this could be resurected, but
>here's what I propose:
>
>I offer my sevices on a *results-only basis* to broker a deal between the
>two of you, including all terms, etc. I can even get an escrow set up, if
>that's where this is headed.
>
>I will act completely impartially, which really doesn't matter anyway, since
>in order to get paid anything, I'll have to strike a deal, and to do that, I
>have to get you both to agree to it.
>
>A third-party intermediary will do wonders for you. Watch and see.
>
>My deal is this: $1,000 upon successful conclusion of an agreement between
>parties, plus 7% of advances and royalties, paid by NTP.
>
>Let me know if you all are interested. Check my recently revised website at:
>
>http://www.ss-n.com
>
>...to judge my experience level.
Nicholas Rich
In article <55to9t$k...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com (think999) wrote:
>...starting back in the mid 70s when we went broke, settling
>pennies on the dollar on considerable debt.
Man...too bad I wasn't around at the time. That's right up my alley.
>Years later, we paid every
>previous creditor not only in full, but market interest rates on all amounts
>previously owed when we had no legal or business obligation to do so.
Yes, truly astonishing. I've been doing this for 4 yeas now -- hundreds of
clients and thousands of individual cases, settlements ranging from a couple
cents on the dollar to installments on principal, no interest.
I can only recall one or two businesses ever coming back to pay up after the
storm had been weathered. And even then, they only paid the vendors they
wanted to take up business with again.
>NTP has always been honest and fair not only in all business dealings but with
>all employees. One of the many beauties of the business world is that no
>dishonest muckraker, politician, or journalist can sully an earned reputation
>in the business world. In competitive business, only earned money and
>reputation talk.
Damn straight!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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In article <55toic$k...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com (think999) wrote:
>
>Yes, NTP would be happy for Mr. Rich to act as an intermediary and escrow
>agent. NTP’s offer, however, stands as stated and will not be materially
>altered. Also, if "Kaiser" cannot place his manuscript with an establishment
>publisher, NTP will be glad to consider it as previously stated. Again, Mr.
>Rich could act as an intermediary and escrow agent.
Great.
KOAH, if you care to proceed forth, email me anonymously with instructions
of how to communicate with you (such as the PGP instructions you previously
provided to NTP).
One point of clarification. When I spoke of setting up escrow in my last, I
meant that I'd do the coordination, proposed escrow agreement, etc. I would
assume that KOAH would insist on an attorney acting as escrow officer for
the simple reason that he would be bound to not reveal KOAH's identity.
Based on what I know of NTP's terms, and what I suspect KOAH's are, I do
have quite a few potential ways to bring the parties together.
China Direct
Yes, this is true. I was astonished to learn at an international marketing
convention in Switzerland a few years back that little NTP actually had a
reputation in the European direct marketing industry as one of the most reliable,
prompt payers.--China
> >>senses. The motley crew of Neo-Dupes on a.n-t is a living testament to the
> >>inability of NT to keep _real_ value producers in their camp.
> >> And it seems that he preferred to play mindfucking games with me rather
> >>than getting me to write a blockbuster bestseller which would give him a
> >>mainstream product.
> >> Although I can see how he might find the notion that his most successful
> >>mainstream bestseller was a book by his archnemesis on the subject of
> >>totally annihalating his stupid ideas in front of the entire world might
> >>cause a little cognitive dissonance! :)
> >>
> >>>Wally's third major flaw is the delusion that he is a great writer.
> >>
> >> I'd call that his _first_ major flaw.
> >>
> >>>Clearly he
> >>>is a bad writer.
> >>
> >> I'd qualify that - today he is a bad writer. The Poker book has some
> >>awkward passages but on the whole it is well written. The device of
> >>portraying the 'concepts' as situations in John Finn's monday night game,
> >>complete with fairly detailed descriptions of Finn's opponents and dramatic
> >>situations, makes the book far more entertaining and readable than other
> >>poker books I've read.
> >> If Wally is reading this he should get a clue - there's a reason that the
> >>Poker book is the most respected and (I'm pretty sure) bestselling thing
> >>you've ever done: It's actually better than your other books.
> >> I don't know for sure why his writing deteriorated so badly. Maybe he's
> >>blinded by ideology. Or he just put more effort into the Poker book. Or
> >>he's letting his sons rewrite his stuff. But whatever the reason, it is
> >>the low quality of his current output that has consigned him to the outer
> >>darkness inhabited only by net kooks, cranks, loonies, wackos and other
> >>objects of derision.
> >>
> >>>His prose is boring, lacks any lucidity, and rambles on and
> >>>on. His invented words like 'thinkon,' 'neothink,' and 'Zonpower' are simply
> >>>dorky. He is never quoted by other authors. Nobody takes him seriously
> >>
> >> You're forgetting his dupes. The trouble is that no one of consequence
> >>takes him seriously. But he rationalizes that by claiming that they are
> >>all part of the anticivilization.
> >> Of course that theory doesn't explain why other people - like me - who
> >>believe in free markets, life extension, value production and self
> >>improvement and who are as much enemies of what he calls 'the
> >>anticivilization' as he is dismiss his work as the ravings of a kook.
> >>
> >>> But Wally is blind to this flaw, and the need to hire and retain talented
> >>>writers.
> >>
> >> Yep. Look how he dissed me!
> >>
> (snip)
> >>>It
> >>>was a flop. Wally really thinks that he can rally the masses if he could
> >>>just
> >>>get the advertising
> >>>copy right. But his wacky and muddled writing will never capture the
> >>>mainstream. The revolutionary path is not recommended.
> >>
> >> Any time he is willing to put up the money I can rewrite his whole usenet
> >>and web advertising campaign to be appealing to normal people.
> >> But he is too wedded to his mysticisms (and his pride) to admit to
> >>himself that I could do a better job than he or his relatives.
> (snip)
> >>>Due to his flaws, Wally is stuck with having *both* a cult stunted in its
> >>>growth, *and* a business stunted in its growth. This is why he has made no
> >>>progress for two decades. Wally is doomed to hang on the horns of this
> >>>dilemma and continue on as a phony revolutionary/phony business leader.
> >>>This is what makes Wally tick.
> >>>
> >>>A 10th Anniversary Commemorative Post by
> >>>A Completely Separate Entity
> >>
> >> I notice that Wally had no response to this.
> >> Guess you hit a little too close to home.
> >> - King of all Heretics
> >
> >Your immersion into the KOAH/ACSE dishonesty machine on Usenet has apparently
> >blocked you from a sense of reality about competitive business and publishing.
>
> Not at all. In fact as you'll see below I have a very clear picture of
> publishing. The reason your original offer was unacceptable is that I also
> have a very clear sense of reality about Neo-Tech Publishing company.
> Here is some of my analysis of your original offer:
>
> >$2000 advance against royalties on receipt of floppy discs or a zip-drive tape
> >Your proposal to NTP was interesting but unrealistic from the business side.
> >I had planned to send a hopefully helpful, comprehensive response explaining
> >why your proposal would serve neither of our best interests. But, in
> >light of
> >the naive, unbusiness-like (but enjoyable) post below, I decided not to
> >invest
> >time in trying to correct your misconceptions. You will have to do that on
> >your own.
>
> You posted your 'response' to my offer in that vague message I already
> saw (Message ID: <55lljc$h...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>). You can't fool me
> with this 'Oh KOAH, we could have worked together but you said such foolish
> things that I am going to punish you by not sharing my wisdom.'
> Fuck off Wally.
> That lameass shit doesn't fly with the King.
> I am well aware of the costs and benefits of my counter-offer to both sides.
> And I am well aware of how you love to string people along.
> I have, after all, read 'The Advanced Concepts of Poker.'
> Once you saw my counter offer you realized you could not use this as an
> opportunity to expose, fool or cheat me.
> You realized that in this game I was the nightmare of the predatory card
> shark - the 'good player.'
> Not a 'fish' after all!
> Naturally you found my offer 'unrealistic.'
> My offer and your refusal to even discuss it shows that your intentions
> were never to deal with me in an honest and straightforward manner.
> So be it.
>
> >Any or all Usenet posts dishonestly attacking business or individuals will be
> >freely used and published without permission. Any lawsuit challenging this
> >policy would be welcomed.
>
> Whatever happened to the Objectivist principle that you should respect
> the property rights of others?
> I guess it went out the window along with honesty, rationality, integrity...
> Your contempt for my property rights is duly noted.
>
> >NTPís original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
>
> Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
> complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
> all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
> Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
> threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
> complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
> It is almost certain that you would never publish any book I wrote on the
> subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
> of whether you publish it.
>
> >If you do write a book, try submitting it first to establishment publishers.
> >If they are not interested, submit it to NTP. Indeed, NTP probably could
> >make money with it -- perhaps considerable money over many years. For, NTPís
> >dynamics are much more bottom-line, aggressively goal oriented than
> >establishment publishers.
>
> If you want the book written you'll have to pay for it.
>
> >Thanks for helping us set up PGP.
>
> You got about ten minutes of work out of me for free. That's the last
> freebie you'll ever get.
> You can gloat about this if you want - you raked in a small pot.
> Of course the fact you needed my help to both learn PGP and to realize
> that you should be using it shows what a phony 'rebel' you really are.
> _Real_ advocates of freedom have been using PGP for quite some time.
> After all, if the FBI wants to ban it it must be good!
>
> >The future belongs to Neo-Tech in the spirit of Schiller/Beethovenís "Ode to
John Anonymous MacDonald
Hey kooks! I don't see you taking issue with any of the points I
made in this objective, honest, and benevolent post. Were you shocked
into a stupor after realizing Wally is a "successfull small businsess
owner" and nothing more? If you want to take issue with any of my
points, I suggest you do it right away - I'm getting ready to claim
flawless victory.
-A Completely Separate Entity (ACSE 11/7/96)
> Note: The word 'flaw' is used here instead of the Neo-Tech cult term
> 'mysticism.' Additionally, the phrase 'great businessman' is used instead of
> 'great value producer' so that non-cult members can better follow this
> article.
>
> What Makes Wally Tick?
>
> What is this queer thing called NTP? Who is this queer man named Wally?
> Is he a businessman, a cult leader, or a revolutionary?
>
> Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, but what kind of CEO
> appears on USENET in virtual drag posting stories about sexually assaulting
> a critic with a pair of Dobermans? How many CEOs lead a rabble of
> followers in an attempt to 'take over' another newsgroup? What kind of
> CEO is obsessed with USENET and monitors and directs flame wars on a
> daily basis? Is Wally's business a 'great business?' No. His business is a
> cash machine set up to separate feeble-minded opportunity seekers from
> their money. After twenty years, the business remains a small outfit run
> by his children and a few employees. No public stock offering. No coverage
> at all in the business press. Completely obscure. Wally is no great
> businessman. By any rational measure, he is not even close. Objectively, he
> is a successful small business owner. This delusion that he is a 'great
> businessman' is Wally's primary flaw.
>
> Wally also likes to fancy himself a revolutionary, but his revolutionary
> credentials are completely conjured up. Was he a 'political prisoner'
> persecuted for his 'writings?' No. The truth is that he was thrown in jail for
> tax fraud. Since Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, he can
> only pose as a revolutionary. Businessmen, after all, do not engage in
> violence. Christian fundamentalists shoot abortion doctors and bomb
> abortion clinics, and animal-rights activists attack research labs, but Wally
> just sits home and scribbles. If he grew some balls and bombed an IRS
> office, he would gain some real revolutionary credentials and some hard-
> core followers. But his flaw limits him to arm-chair revolution and lamer
> followers roped in from the opportunity seeker, get-rich-quick crowd.
> These followers are not the material of which revolution is made. They do
> serve as a money source, albeit a restricted one.
>
> Wally's has a second serious flaw: He believes that he must control the
> minds of his employees. Wally operates his business, and organizes his
> followers, as a personality cult. However, by all accounts, he does not fleece
> followers of every penny as did L. Ron Hubbard. He does not try to bed
> every female follower as did Rajneesh. Wally believes that engaging in the
> typical cult activities would make him vulnerable to criticism and attack.
> He keeps his personality cult low-key, yet he ruthlessly enforces obedience
> in his followers and family members. When he says 'jump,' sons 'Mark
> Hamilton' and 'Eric Savage' say 'how high?' Wally maintains his mini-cult
> because it is a cost-effective way of harnessing others to his cause. As
> Camille Paglia has pointed out, the personality cult is a natural form of
> human organization. It is effective. Wally uses it. Yet by surrounding
> himself with sycophants, he cuts himself off from any useful criticism. How
> could a follower criticize a man who claims to have surpassed Einstein?
> This flaw prevents his business from growing. Talented employees have
> been purged from the company because they resisted Wally's personality-
> cult demands.
>
> Wally's third major flaw is the delusion that he is a great writer. Clearly he
> is a bad writer. His prose is boring, lacks any lucidity, and rambles on and
> on. His invented words like 'thinkon,' 'neothink,' and 'Zonpower' are simply
> dorky. He is never quoted by other authors. Nobody takes him seriously
> But Wally is blind to this flaw, and the need to hire and retain talented
> writers.
>
> If Wally were to dump his delusions of grandeur, he could then follow one
> of two paths:
>
> Path 1 is a business path. Free of requiring cultish behavior from his
> employees, he could expand his business into a more successful self-help,
> libertarian, and objectivist book sales and publishing operation. He could
> hire real managers and allow them to expand the business beyond what he
> or his family members are able. Then he would have a chance of being an
> influence in bringing a more libertarian society into being.
>
> Path 2 is a cult path. Free of great businessman delusions, Wally could
> build a powerful cult structure like L. Ron Hubbard, the Reverend Sung
> Myung Moon, or Shoko Asahara. He probably has the mind-control skills to
> accomplish this, and he would have more money and power to fight the
> government.
>
> A possible third path, as mentioned previously, would be as a
> revolutionary leader. However, Wally is completely lacking in the personal
> charisma for such a role. His one attempt to rally the masses behind him
> was his Golden Helmet speech at his trial. Wally did not call witnesses or
> cross-exam. His whole strategy was to sway the jury with his oratory. It
> was a flop. Wally really thinks that he can rally the masses if he could just
> get the advertising
> copy right. But his wacky and muddled writing will never capture the
> mainstream. The revolutionary path is not recommended.
>
> Wally is deadly serious in considering himself a great businessman, and
> will not be able to overcome this fatal flaw. He probably gained the
> delusion as a science nerd-boy after having read Atlas Shrugged. Just as
> adolescent boys reading "Superman" comics imagine themselves
> superheros, Wally probably fancied himself a John-Galt style superhero
> bringing liberty to the masses. Wally needs to realize that reality as not
> the same as fiction. Reality works a little differently.
>
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <328380...@chinadirect.com>, Smithers
<mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
>Don't flatter yourself KOAH. You're not writing a book. All you're
>proposing to do here is make a compilation of your usenet flames against
>Neo-Tech. Any junior editor can make such a compilation. -China
Absolutely wrong. That is not what I offered to do at all.
You're obviously still out of the loop if you really believe that.
John Anonymous MacDonald
The King wrote:
> In article <55qs9l$p...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
> (think999 AKA Wallace Ward AKA Frank R. Wallace) wrote:
-snip-
KOAH, your response to my "What Makes Wally Tick?" post hasn't arrived
at my news server yet, and Deja News only has part of it. I'll respond as
soon as I have it.
> >Your immersion into the KOAH/ACSE dishonesty machine on Usenet has apparently
> >blocked you from a sense of reality about competitive business and publishing.
>
> Not at all. In fact as you'll see below I have a very clear picture of
> publishing. The reason your original offer was unacceptable is that I also
> have a very clear sense of reality about Neo-Tech Publishing company.
I hope my 'Tick" post didn't interfere with your book deal. Maybe Wally
really does think we are the same person. My calling him a "successful small
business owner" probably really pissed him off. It is a true, honest,
objective, and 100% irrefutable statement. Yet it is completely at odds with
the separate reality that he inhabits were he is a Great Value Producer.
No neothunked 'integrations', no matter how 'wide scope,' can refute that
statement. I can just see the smoke coming out of his ears...
> Here is some of my analysis of your original offer:
>
> >$2000 advance against royalties on receipt of floppy discs or a zip-drive tape
> (snip)
> >Additional $3000 advance on acceptance the manuscript for publication.
> >
> >A final $3000 advance on publication.
>
> Unacceptable.
> Now you might ask why, since the above does add up to the $8,000 I
> requested, and it is pretty close to standard publishing industry practice,
> it is unacceptable? It's very simple: I think there's a good chance you
> guys want revenge on me.
> I know that I would be a bit annoyed if someone was goofing on me for an
> entire year before the entire world! You could have some fun making me go
> to all the trouble of editing and writing an entire book and then reject my
> manuscript, pulling the rug out from under me and gloating about it on
> alt.neo-tech and on the web and in those dumb templates.
> Even if the above agreement was seen to obligate you to deliver $2,000
> upon getting my manuscript you might be willing to eat the $2,000 just to
> get the satisfaction of screwing me over.
> I am not stupid Ward. Don't delude yourself.
> Walking into this I knew the following facts of reality about Neo-Tech
> Publishing:
>
> * NTP has reneged on deals in the past
-snip-
>
> * NTP tells lies
-snip-
> * NTP personell hate my guts
-snip-
>
> * NTP makes threats
-snip-
> So you might imagine that in any deal between archenemies NTP and KOAH
> standard industry practice would not apply!
> A normal publisher can be expected to pay an author as agreed upon
> receiving an acceptable manuscript. A normal publisher can be expected not
> to look for ways to humiliate and degrade their authors. A normal
> publisher does not pore over the statute books looking for ways to have
> their authors arrested by the feds for something the author _wrote_! (I
> might also add that lovers of freedom do not look for ways to bring the
> wrath of the feds upon people who say controversial things, but that is
> another matter)
> When I spoke to my attorney two things became clear:
>
> * My only leverage was that I had the book and NTP did not.
> * NTP could not be trusted to fulfill any terms of any agreement once
> they had what they wanted.
>
> NTP's pattern of deception meant that all the normal publishing industry
> practices - practices based in large part on _trust_ - were impractical.
> NTP could not be trusted to accurately report sales. NTP could not be
> trusted to give me anything once I submitted my manuscript. NTP might want
> to use this entire 'book deal' as a ploy to hunt me down, get me arrested
> on trumped up charges (the 'terrorist' nonsense they've been spewing) and
> as L. Ron Hubbard used to say, 'utterly destroy' me.
> So the only solution was to collect sufficient payment in advance in an
> untracable manner so that even if NTP completely reneged on their end of
> the bargain I would still come out ahead.
I don't know anything about the publishing business, but I'm sure I've
heard of authors getting advances before they write anything. What would
be the big deal? They have plenty of samples of your work, and the speed
at which you work. They can reasonably estimate the quality of the book
you will produce.
>
> Thus my counter-offer designed to:
>
> * Minimize exposure for me
> * Collect payment up front
> * Thwart any future ploys by NTP to renege
>
> Back to Wally's recent message:
>
> >Your proposal to NTP was interesting but unrealistic from the business side.
> >I had planned to send a hopefully helpful, comprehensive response explaining
> >why your proposal would serve neither of our best interests. But, in
> >light of
> >the naive, unbusiness-like (but enjoyable) post below, I decided not to
> >invest
> >time in trying to correct your misconceptions. You will have to do that on
> >your own.
You missed your chance to learn at the knee of the great, benevolent Wally. :(
I'm sure Ayn Rand would frown upon this sort of thing too.
>
> >NTPís original offer remains on the table until 11/29/96.
>
> Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
> complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
> all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
> Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
> threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
> complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
No doubt.
> It is almost certain that you would never publish any book I wrote on the
> subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
> of whether you publish it.
No, they would never publish it. Unless of course, it was heavily edited by
Wally to make it look like they got the best of you.
>
> >If you do write a book, try submitting it first to establishment publishers.
> >If they are not interested, submit it to NTP. Indeed, NTP probably could
> >make money with it -- perhaps considerable money over many years. For, NTPís
> >dynamics are much more bottom-line, aggressively goal oriented than
> >establishment publishers.
Out-competing the 'establishment' publishers, are we? Got any evidence of that?
I'll bet one Howard Stern or one Rush Limbaugh book brings in more money
in one year than your little vanity press brings in in a decade.
>
> If you want the book written you'll have to pay for it.
>
> >Thanks for helping us set up PGP.
>
> You got about ten minutes of work out of me for free. That's the last
> freebie you'll ever get.
> You can gloat about this if you want - you raked in a small pot.
> Of course the fact you needed my help to both learn PGP and to realize
> that you should be using it shows what a phony 'rebel' you really are.
> _Real_ advocates of freedom have been using PGP for quite some time.
> After all, if the FBI wants to ban it it must be good!
>
> >The future belongs to Neo-Tech in the spirit of Schiller/Beethovenís "Ode to
> >Joy":
Do you think Ruth's heart is filled with joy you evil old motherfucker? Do
you think she's prefers slaving away in customer service to an acting career?
Let go of her mind and set her free. She's your daughter for God's sake!
>
> Neo-Tech has no future. Once you die your relatives will not be able to
> manage the company.
Probably true, though Wally Jr. is far wackier. According to sources
in the Fuck Zon Underground, Wally Jr. once tried to turn the company
into a paramilitary organization complete with uniforms, ranks, and
saluting. Wally Sr. shot it down. When Wally Sr. goes, it's going to be a riot
watching 'Mark Hamilton' run the show. It'll probably be a brief show, but a
good one none the less.
> After they run it into the ground when they finally
> sell off the rights to your books the only one worth keeping in print will
> be 'The Advanced Concepts of Poker.'
> You'll be remembered, if it still sells, as an expert on poker. Nothing
> more.
> That is better than most people do, but it is not enough for your
> overinflated ego.
> That is why you're making such an ass of yourself.
We keep trying to tell him...
>
> >Someday, we shall all be brothers an sisters conducting profitable
> >businesses in the Civilization of the Universe. ...Perhaps we shall meet
> >there
> >someday -- someday after you understand Neo-Tech and competitive value
> >production.
You got to be fucking shitting me! He still thinks he can brainwash you!
Wally, catch a fucking clue, man!
>
> I understand Neo-Tech - it is a mail order self help company that drains
> the wallets of sad, sorry pathetic people looking for a way to get rich
> quick.
> And I also understand value production - and a real value producer takes
> steps to assure that he will be paid for his work.
> You see writing the book would be real work. Posting to usenet is just a
> hobby.
> Zon help you if I ever see criticizing you as a real paying job!
> - King of all Heretics
KOAH, I didn't see your counter-offer, but here are some thoughts:
1) You should be a little more patient with the Neo-Tech *Self* Publishing
Company. They have never published a book written by an author
that does not work for the company. This is new for them. NTP is Wally's
personal vanity press. He has no experience dealing with creative
individuals. In fact, if you don't behave exactly like a cardboard Ayn
Rand character, Wally will have trouble relating to you at all.
2) If they don't want to give you cash up front, maybe you could do
something like this: They pay you $8000 up front, and if you don't deliver
the book by an agreed upon deadline, then they get ownership of all of
your past USENET posts.
3) An agreed upon accountancy firm could be hired to audit NTP's books to
assure proper payment of royalties, and to judge whether or not NTP made
a good-faith effort to market the book. All they would need to do is make
sure the direct-mail marketing materials were of sufficient quality and that
NTP mailed to their repeat buyers.
4) Wally's suggestion to write the book and shop it to real publishers is
completely unrealistic. No real publisher would be interested in such an
obscure cult. There is a small chance that a publisher who specializes in
cult-type books might be interested, but that is a very long shot. The problem
is that no one is interested in Neo-Tech, and thus there is no market. The only
people that would be interested, are the chumps on NTP's mailing list.
4) If a deal can not be made, then perhaps you could write and publish the book
and rent NTP's mailing list for a junk-mail offer. I'm certain that NTP would go
for this since they are emphatic about how your work 'advances' NT.
John Anonymous MacDonald
>nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>>In article <55qs9l$p...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
>
>>
>> Your original offer is not acceptable. It requires that I write a
>>complete manuscript before I get a dime and it also includes purchase of
>>all rights to everything I have ever posted to usenet.
>> Since your fury towards any criticism is evident from your pattern of
>>threats and intimidation tactics towards your critics I'd have to be a
>>complete fucking idiot to do any work for you without payment _in advance_.
>>subject of my net war with you so I want to be paid in advance regardless
>>of whether you publish it.
>
>obvious reasons for that...
Like maybe they planned it this way from the beginning?
Or that the only motive of the 'offer' was to fish for info about me?
>Doubtful that this could be resurected, but
>here's what I propose:
>
>I offer my sevices on a *results-only basis* to broker a deal between the
>two of you, including all terms, etc. I can even get an escrow set up, if
>that's where this is headed.
>
>I will act completely impartially, which really doesn't matter anyway, since
>in order to get paid anything, I'll have to strike a deal, and to do that, I
>have to get you both to agree to it.
>
>A third-party intermediary will do wonders for you. Watch and see.
>
>My deal is this: $1,000 upon successful conclusion of an agreement between
>parties, plus 7% of advances and royalties, paid by NTP.
Well, well, well!
The _audacity_ of this certainly appeals to my sense of the perverse.
However it looks like I end up eating most of the cost unless that 7% is
paid to you and I still get the exact same amount of money that I asked for.
Perhaps I misunderstand. Please clarify.
>Let me know if you all are interested. Check my recently revised website at:
>
>http://www.ss-n.com
>
>..to judge my experience level.
>
>KOAH: if this grabs you, please send me the same PGP info you sent ward,
>along with any comments, and anything else I need.
Wallace Ward must state that he is open to negotiations over his terms
before I proceed further. The original offer is unacceptable for many
reasons even if we can devise a secure payment mechanism. I am familiar
with book contracts and what he offered is standard 'author-gets-screwed'
practice not 'good-deal' practice.
And the fact remains that NTP has even more motive to screw me over than
most publishers do.
Also a comment by 'China' leads me to believe that some in NTP think I am
planning on tossing off some quickie hack job consisting of my old posts.
But that is not what I am offering at all.
My book will be much, much more than that.
>Remember, it's results-only, so neither of you have anything to lose, only
>to gain.
We'll see.
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <55tsvm$d...@nntp1.best.com>, nr...@ss-n.com (Nicholas Rich) wrote=
:
>In article <55toic$k...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
>(think999) wrote:
>>
>>Yes, NTP would be happy for Mr. Rich to act as an intermediary and escrow
>>agent. NTP=92s offer, however, stands as stated and will not be materiall=
y
>>altered. Also, if "Kaiser" cannot place his manuscript with an
>>establishment
>>publisher, NTP will be glad to consider it as previously stated. Again, M=
r.
>>Rich could act as an intermediary and escrow agent.
>
>Great.
>
>KOAH, if you care to proceed forth, email me anonymously with instructions
>of how to communicate with you (such as the PGP instructions you previously
>provided to NTP).
The ball is in Wallace Ward's court. If, as he states, the terms of his
original offer are completely inflexible, there is nothing for you to do
and you might as well not waste your time. If, on the other hand, he is
serious about producing a blockbuster new title for his catalog, he should
be flexible and try and work something out.
>One point of clarification. When I spoke of setting up escrow in my last, I
>meant that I'd do the coordination, proposed escrow agreement, etc. I would
>assume that KOAH would insist on an attorney acting as escrow officer for
>the simple reason that he would be bound to not reveal KOAH's identity.
Exactly.
>Based on what I know of NTP's terms, and what I suspect KOAH's are, I do
>have quite a few potential ways to bring the parties together.
Talk to Ward. His effort to force me to send email through Matt Keys was
extremely unprofessional and also showed a lack of understanding of PGP. I
am not going to play any games in this matter. I kept my word and was
straightforward and honest in my offer to NTP as Ward requested. I kept my
word and send Wallace Ward information on PGP as he requested. In return I
was given a vague message which was clearly designed to string me along and
which repeated claims (ACSE and I are the same person) that are blatantly
false and which _you know_ are false. That is no way to conduct business.
Once Ward has indicated his willingness to negotiate we can begin.
If he does not it is over.
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <32829C...@chinadirect.com>, Smithers
<mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
>Yes, this is true. I was astonished to learn at an international marketing
>convention in Switzerland a few years back that little NTP actually had a
>reputation in the European direct marketing industry as one of the most
>reliable,
>prompt payers.-China
I guess they never heard about how NTP ripped off BMXerToo for $10,000.
I'm sure NTP pays people that have real power in the publishing industry
- people like Playboy magazine, printers and various advertising outlets -
promptly. It's those they have contempt and hatred for - like BMXerToo and
a certain King of all Heretics if he were gullible enough to let them -
that they are willing to fuck over for a quick buck or the satisfaction of
a little revenge.
If there's going to be a deal I will require a lot more than the _word_
of people who have been libeling and lying about me incessantly.
Nicholas Rich
I'm replying to threee of KOAH's posts in one herebelow.
In article <1996110803...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>In article <55t1ue$s...@nntp1.best.com>, nr...@ss-n.com (Nicholas Rich) wrote:
>>Well, it looks like negotiations have broken down. There are some pretty
>>obvious reasons for that...
>
> Like maybe they planned it this way from the beginning?
> Or that the only motive of the 'offer' was to fish for info about me?
If that's the case, then using me as an intermediary/agent will insultate
and isolate you against that.
>>Doubtful that this could be resurected, but
>>here's what I propose:
>>
>>I offer my sevices on a *results-only basis* to broker a deal between the
>>two of you, including all terms, etc. I can even get an escrow set up, if
>>that's where this is headed.
>>
>>I will act completely impartially, which really doesn't matter anyway, since
>>in order to get paid anything, I'll have to strike a deal, and to do that, I
>>have to get you both to agree to it.
>>
>>A third-party intermediary will do wonders for you. Watch and see.
>>
>>My deal is this: $1,000 upon successful conclusion of an agreement between
>>parties, plus 7% of advances and royalties, paid by NTP.
>
> Well, well, well!
> The _audacity_ of this certainly appeals to my sense of the perverse.
> However it looks like I end up eating most of the cost unless that 7% is
>paid to you and I still get the exact same amount of money that I asked for.
> Perhaps I misunderstand. Please clarify.
No, you don't really missunderstand. I would prefer we be discussing this
privately, businesslike, but since you've not sent instructions on how to
communicate with you, I don't really have a choice.
There is one fact which underscores this whole thing. The two of you _do
not_ have a book deal. Close doesn't count. The obligation to "sell your
book" rests with you, and thus far, you've been unsuccessful in doing that.
Never mind that NTP put the first offer on the table. They did that with
respect to your compiled and edited posts to Usenet on the subject of NT.
You're attempting to sell them an entirely different book, if I understand
clearly what you're saying.
This has caused a rift in the negotiating process, and things get worse with
each public post. The two of you should stop this public back-&-forth now,
if business is your goal.
Now, as concerns my deal and commission arrangement. You don't have a book
deal. There will be no advances or royalties. I'm offering to bring them in
for you. If the two of you agree, the cost to NTP will be $1,000 before you
produce a single thing. If all you ever earn is the $8,000 advance, my terms
would give me $560 of that. You will have to make $14,285 before your cost
in commission to me equals that of NTP's cost.
If, eventually, you rake in $100k in royalties, my cut would be $7k.
I don't know KOAH, I'm accustomed to making quite a bit more on deals I put
together, and my clients are happy. I put money in their pocket that they
wouldn't have had, or it costs them nothing.
If you have an alternate proposal to me, lay it out (privately, please).
Also, in thinking over this, rather than acting as an impartial
intermediary, what you would really be agreeing to is me acting as your
agent in this deal.
>>KOAH: if this grabs you, please send me the same PGP info you sent ward,
>>along with any comments, and anything else I need.
>
> Wallace Ward must state that he is open to negotiations over his terms
>before I proceed further. The original offer is unacceptable for many
>reasons even if we can devise a secure payment mechanism. I am familiar
>with book contracts and what he offered is standard 'author-gets-screwed'
>practice not 'good-deal' practice.
He stated that he's willing to talk to me. That should be enough for you to
proceeed forth. I shouldn't publicly speculate as to how much I think you or
he is open to negotiations. Let me handle that privately, businesslike.
> And the fact remains that NTP has even more motive to screw me over than
>most publishers do.
Nobody expects you to sign-on to an agreement you find unacceptable.
> Also a comment by 'China' leads me to believe that some in NTP think I am
>planning on tossing off some quickie hack job consisting of my old posts.
>But that is not what I am offering at all.
> My book will be much, much more than that.
There's a silver-lining here, but I'll only discuss it privately.
>>Remember, it's results-only, so neither of you have anything to lose, only
>>to gain.
>
> We'll see.
You do not have a book deal. Plus, you are now further away from one than
you have been previously. I'm offering to attempt to turn it around and
create a deal and consequent money in everyone's pocket which would
otherwise not have existed. I'm offering to risk my time to do it, and if
not successful, you won't be obligated to me for a single dime.
I'll work hard. I will explore every potential solution. As a go-between, I
can bounce stuff off of both of you, looking for solutions, and neither of
you will get pissed-off at the other, hurting the chances for a deal.
There is a reason that most people trying to sell books, sell themselves as
actors, sell themselves as sports figures, etc., use agents.
In article <1996110807...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>In article <55toic$k...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
>(think999 AKA Wallace Ward) wrote:
>
>>Yes, NTP would be happy for Mr. Rich to act as an intermediary and escrow
>>agent. NTP's offer, however, stands as stated and will not be materially
>>altered.
>
> If you refuse to negotiate flexibly there is absolutely no reason for
>'Mr. Rich' to get involved at all. His only function would be to do what
>he says Sachs, Savage & Noble does - negotiate. There can be no
>negotiation where there is no willingness to give and take by _both_ sides.
Please let me worry about that. He's said he'll talk. So, let me talk.
You'll know soon enough whether there's anyplace left to go.
In article <1996110808...@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>,
nob...@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote:
>In article <55tsvm$d...@nntp1.best.com>, nr...@ss-n.com (Nicholas Rich)
wrote=
>>Great.
>>
>>KOAH, if you care to proceed forth, email me anonymously with instructions
>>of how to communicate with you (such as the PGP instructions you
previously
>>provided to NTP).
>
> The ball is in Wallace Ward's court. If, as he states, the terms of his
>original offer are completely inflexible, there is nothing for you to do
>and you might as well not waste your time. If, on the other hand, he is
>serious about producing a blockbuster new title for his catalog, he should
>be flexible and try and work something out.
There is a very clear reason--and that's all I'm saying before I have a
deal--why this deal is going nowhere. It has little to do with
personalities, though that's what may be preventing the two of you from
seeing the problem and getting past it.
>>One point of clarification. When I spoke of setting up escrow in my last,
I
>>meant that I'd do the coordination, proposed escrow agreement, etc. I
would
>>assume that KOAH would insist on an attorney acting as escrow officer for
>>the simple reason that he would be bound to not reveal KOAH's identity.
>
> Exactly.
I'll act professionally and will protect your interests, which, in this
business context, are my interests as well.
>>Based on what I know of NTP's terms, and what I suspect KOAH's are, I do
>>have quite a few potential ways to bring the parties together.
snip
> Once Ward has indicated his willingness to negotiate we can begin.
> If he does not it is over.
He's said he'll talk to me. The next step is to put me to work. Let me worry
about wasting my time. It goes with the territory, in my line of work.
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China Direct
John Anonymous MacDonald wrote:
>
> In article <32829C...@chinadirect.com>, Smithers
> <mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes, this is true. I was astonished to learn at an international marketing
> >convention in Switzerland a few years back that little NTP actually had a
> >reputation in the European direct marketing industry as one of the most
> >reliable,
> >prompt payers.-China
>
> I guess they never heard about how NTP ripped off BMXerToo for $10,000.
I think any company would be impressed with the fact that little NTP, strictly
out of good will, paid all of it's employees a $10,000 bonus. Few small
companies NTP's size would ever do such a generous thing. We did not pay
BMXerToo the bonus because he was a 20-year-old kid who publically admitted he
had a drinking and drug problem. Paying that bonus to employees was completely
voluntary on NTP's part and we were under no obligation to pay anyone that
bonus. --China
China Direct
John Anonymous MacDonald wrote:
>
> Hey kooks! I don't see you taking issue with any of the points I
> made in this objective, honest, and benevolent post. Were you shocked
> into a stupor after realizing Wally is a "successfull small businsess
> owner" and nothing more? If you want to take issue with any of my
> points, I suggest you do it right away - I'm getting ready to claim
> flawless victory.
>
> -A Completely Separate Entity (ACSE 11/7/96)
What an idiot you are. Get a clue. You're trying to insult Wally by saying he's
only a small businessman. He's not even that. Wally has no interest in running
a business. His only interest is in writing. He hasn't had any involvment in
business in over ten years and has no interest to do so. At the height of his
marketing campaign for his poker book, he completely shut I & O down, even though
it could have made millions more and took the poker book off the market because
Wally didn't want to spend his time doing business -- he wanted only to write.
--China
John Anonymous MacDonald
In article <55toic$k...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, thin...@ix.netcom.com
(think999 AKA Wallace Ward) wrote:
>Yes, NTP would be happy for Mr. Rich to act as an intermediary and escrow
>agent. NTP's offer, however, stands as stated and will not be materially
>altered.
If you refuse to negotiate flexibly there is absolutely no reason for
'Mr. Rich' to get involved at all. His only function would be to do what
he says Sachs, Savage & Noble does - negotiate. There can be no
negotiation where there is no willingness to give and take by _both_ sides.
When I sent you my offer I expected - if you really wanted me to write
the book - you to either accept my offer or make a counter offer. If, as I
suspected, this was just a ploy, I expected various attempts to make me
perform like your little trained monkey - things like sending all email to
your net lacky Matt Keys.
Well you came through with flying colors (or is that flying monkeys?).
You tried to string me along with that vague message and get me to come
crawling back begging. Not a chance. I'm not a gutless wimp like most
writers who would cut off their right arm for a measly $8,000 advance.
That's chickenfeed. Your original claim was that I might make $100,000 off
this. If you're talking 100k you're talking my language. We can work
something out.
But you deal with me with respect in our business dealings or forget it.
I crawl for no one.
I am not your trained monkey and I am not a 'fish' and I will not play
your little games.
Save it for Ted Fehr.
>Also, if "Kaiser" cannot place his manuscript with an establishment
>publisher, NTP will be glad to consider it as previously stated. Again, Mr.
>Rich could act as an intermediary and escrow agent.
If you don't pay for it I will never write it. I've got better things to do.
If you want me to write the book come to the negotiating table. If you
don't come to the table it is over.
- King of all Heretics
P.S. Ever see 'Patton'? Remember what he said about Rommel - 'Rommel you
magnificent bastard - I read your book!' Figure it out.
John Anonymous MacDonald
Wacky Wally wrote:
>
> For anything to happen, "Kaiser" will have to step out of his KOAH/ACSE
> dishonesty machine long enough to see reality and conduct business. With any
> checking in the business world, one would find that NTP not only has the
> highest credit rating, but that no other company has a better reputation for
> integrity and honesty in its business dealings. That reputation was built
> over many years, starting back in the mid 70s when we went broke, settling
> pennies on the dollar on considerable debt. Years later, we paid every
> previous creditor not only in full, but market interest rates on all amounts
> previously owed when we had no legal or business obligation to do so.
Many people and businesses have perfect credit ratings. It's not like you
invented it. It's not even unusual.
> Then, when the government destroyed our publishing company in 1986, leaving it
The company was up and running within, what, weeks? Your exaggerations are
clearly dishonest. It is also dishonest to say the government destroyed
the company. If you had paid your taxes, the IRS wouldn't have come to visit.
And just what was it you did to your girlfriend to motivate her to rat you out
to the IRS? I'd like to see you be honest about *that*. Ha!
> with many unpaid bills, every penny of owed money was again paid with full
> interest several years later. Many in the trade acted with astonishment and
> disbelief when we came forward to pay off everyone with interest. Several
> large and small businesses wrote us letters expressing this, including PLAYBOY
> magazine to which we not only paid a $13,000 invoice from the 70s with full
> interest, but we tracked down the sales rep and paid him his lost commission
> with interest. This also happened with several inflight airline magazines and
> a number of other accounts.
>
> Today NTP is known as the fastest pay in the industry. That not only gives
> NTP a quick 2% discount on all invoices, but that quick-pay reputation puts it
> in the strongest negotiating positions. NTP also adds to its reputation by
> always carefully reviewing jobs, agreements, and invoices for errors. When
> errors are found in which NTP improperly gained or were invoiced less then
> agreed upon, the other party is immediately informed and paid, even on its own
> errors. Thus, today, almost everyone in the trade accepts NTP’s resolution of
> disputes without question because of its reputation for thoroughness, honesty,
> and fairness.
>
> One can go to any Direct Marketing Convention (DMA) -- regional, national, or
> international. Just by asking the delegates, one will quickly discover the
> long, outstanding reputation of Neo-Tech Publishing. ...No one in the
> direct-marketing trade enjoys a better business reputation than NTP. Can
> anyone present a single bona fide business example against NTP? I doubt it.
> And, if someone did, NTP would express its appreciation and immediately
> correct the problem.
You are making a virtue of necessity. As you well know, it has been a
struggle on many occasions, probably most, to convince advertisers to run
your wacked-out advertising or rent you their mailing lists. You need every
edge you can get to dull advertisers and list-owners fears of being deemed
wacky-by-association, or perpetrating a fraud upon their customers.
> The KOAH/ACSE dishonesty machine keeps recycling a story about a $10,000 gift
> not given to an ex employee. The facts were pointed out over a year ago: In
> celebration of NTP reaching its goal for 1990, all salaried people and some
> hourly workers were generously given $10,000 gifts.
Why is it all of sudden 'gift' instead of 'bonus?' Are you saying that your
employees really didn't contribute to the company achieving it's goals?
Are you saying that one sainted martyr, i.e. you, in a Herculean effort
achieved all the goals yourself, and then bestowed gifts upon the ant-like
employees scurrying about your feet? I hate to break the news to you,
but your goal of 'collapsing mysticism' did not happen. Catch a clue zonny
boy.
> The gift was temporarily
> withheld from one person for his own sake due to concerns over his drinking
> problems. It was feared he might dissappear on a bender with that kind of
> cash given to him. Also, paying him in his problem-creating mode would not
> have been fair to those who really deserved the gift. For, they were helping
> us solve problems, not create them. ...The bottom line is that NTP had no
> obligation to give him or anyone such gifts. But, out of appreciation,
> $10,000 gifts were given to most employees and withheld from one problem
> worker.
While researching this in the Fuck Zon Underground, not a single person used
the word 'gift.' Every single one of them used the word 'bonus.' None of them
mentioned the employee's alleged alcohol problem either. Rather, the story
is quite different. It seems that this bonus was announced during the period
when Wally was trying to goad the IRS into arresting him. Fearing the IRS would
also seize more assets (which it looks like they did not) Wally decided to spread
around some cash to people who were not family members for safe keeping.
The bonuses were paid in gold bullion coins transferred into Swiss bank accounts
that Smithers helped employees set up (Wally sent him around with the
paperwork to collect signatures.) Wally did not want employees to actually spend
the money so that they could draw on it to pay their own salaries in case the IRS
seized operating capital from company. So Wally told the employees that he
would transfer more gold bullion into their Swiss accounts in the future on the
condition that they did not spend the initial amount. He did not make this
condition known when the bonus plan was announced. It was only made known
right before the transfer was about to be made. One employee apparently
did not give his assurance to Wally that he would not spend the money.
Details are sketchy, but it seems that he went ahead and bought a computer on
credit that he planned to pay off with the bonus. Like a good zonbot, he never doubted
the word of his dark master. He should have. He got fucked.
> NTP has always been honest and fair not only in all business dealings but with
> all employees.
What about the employees who were fired and kicked out of their apartment on one
day's notice? You remember that, right? It was right after you smashed the bust
of Jesus in a 'business' meeting. Ring any bells, dickhead? And what about the way
Brett was kicked out of the company? And your girlfriend was any employee when
she ratted you out to the IRS. Did you dick her out of a bonus too?
> One of the many beauties of the business world is that no
> dishonest muckraker, politician, or journalist can sully an earned reputation
> in the business world. In competitive business, only earned money and
> reputation talk.
Let me just say that I am, in fact, a completely separate entity from the King. If
my posts caused you to lose control (again) and call off your book deal with him, you
should reconsider. You really do need to bring in a talented writer or two. After
two decades, you are still unable to appeal to the mainstream. It's time you face
reality, put your ego aside, and try something different. The King obviously is an
internet expert and superb writer. He is more suited to this medium than you are. For
chrisake, your Atlas-Shrugged-style crusading publishing company is an anachronism.
Snap out of it already.
-A Completely Separate Entity (ACSE 11/8/96)
John Anonymous MacDonald
The King wrote:
> I wrote
>
-snip-
> > What Makes Wally Tick?
> >
> >What is this queer thing called NTP? Who is this queer man named Wally?
> >Is he a businessman, a cult leader, or a revolutionary?
>
> You forgot 'raving kook.'
My mistake. ;)
> >Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, but what kind of CEO
> >appears on USENET in virtual drag posting stories about sexually assaulting
> >a critic with a pair of Dobermans? How many CEOs lead a rabble of
> >followers in an attempt to 'take over' another newsgroup? What kind of
> >CEO is obsessed with USENET and monitors and directs flame wars on a
> >daily basis?
>
> A wacky one.
Indeed.
> >Is Wally's business a 'great business?' No. His business is a
> >cash machine set up to separate feeble-minded opportunity seekers from
> >their money. After twenty years, the business remains a small outfit run
> >by his children and a few employees. No public stock offering. No coverage
> >at all in the business press. Completely obscure. Wally is no great
> >businessman. By any rational measure, he is not even close. Objectively, he
> >is a successful small business owner. This delusion that he is a 'great
> >businessman' is Wally's primary flaw.
>
> He figures if he's doing better than a convenience store clerk he's 'great.'
Yeah. I'd like to see him objectively make the case that he is a 'great
value producer.'
> >Wally also likes to fancy himself a revolutionary, but his revolutionary
> >credentials are completely conjured up. Was he a 'political prisoner'
> >persecuted for his 'writings?' No. The truth is that he was thrown in jail for
> >tax fraud.
>
> Well, he did put up a billboard personally attacking the IRS agents who
> took his stash of gold.
This is true. However putting up an insulting billboard across from the
IRS office is not the same thing as being 'persecuted for his writings.' Wally
had to get right in their face in a big way. I guarantee you that the only
government official who even knows about his 'writings' is the clerk at
the FBI who is responsible for maintaining his kook file. And that person
no doubt has many other kooks to keep track of too, and may only be
dimly aware of Wally.
> If he'd been willing to just eat the loss and go
> on he probably would never have been thrown in the slammer. Of course if
> he'd avoided legal trouble in the first place the feds would never have had
> any pretext to lock him up no matter what he wrote.
Yes, but we really wanted to be arrested. He must have been daydreaming
about his Howard-Roark acting debut for years. Not to mention the masses
rising up and demanding his release. heeheehee.
> >Since Wally likes to fancy himself a great businessman, he can
> >only pose as a revolutionary. Businessmen, after all, do not engage in
> >violence. Christian fundamentalists shoot abortion doctors and bomb
> >abortion clinics, and animal-rights activists attack research labs, but Wally
> >just sits home and scribbles.
>
> The term you're looking for is 'crank.'
Thank you.
> >If he grew some balls and bombed an IRS
> >office, he would gain some real revolutionary credentials and some hard-
> >core followers.
>
> As well as some time in a maximum security prison.
> Maybe the rest of his life.
It worked for Nelson Mandela, right? And didn't Menachem Begin conduct
guerrilla warfare and terrorism against the British before Israel was
established?
> >But his flaw limits him to arm-chair revolution and lamer
> >followers roped in from the opportunity seeker, get-rich-quick crowd.
> >These followers are not the material of which revolution is made. They do
> >serve as a money source, albeit a restricted one.
>
> I think this part of your analysis is flawed. Wally isn't a
> revolutionary wannabe, he's a political activist wannabe. He likes to
> pretend that he has a grand plan to bring down the anticivilization through
> a Neo-Crap political movement. I don't see any fantasies of an actual
> armed revolution.
Yes, but he really did goad the IRS into arresting him and probably knew
that he would do time. Armed warfare, terrorism, and jail time are the tools
used to seize political power. Fancying himself an Atlas-Shrugged style
hero, Wally really does want to take down the government. Didn't
Ragnar what-his-name use armed force against the government? Wally
wanted some jail-time on his resume and he got it. My point is simply
that that jail time was a waste. Anyone can see he is not a real
revolutionary, and being a real revolutionary would garner more
respect than being a phony one.
> Of course I do not rule out the theory that all of his blather about
> politics and the Neo-Crap party and so forth is just a big lie - a
> marketing ploy.
No, he is serious. That was a real jail he was in.
> >Wally's has a second serious flaw: He believes that he must control the
> >minds of his employees. Wally operates his business, and organizes his
> >followers, as a personality cult.
>
> That is obvious from the way his droids blather and bumble in this
> newsgroup every day.
> Not an original thought among them.
>
> >However, by all accounts, he does not fleece
> >followers of every penny as did L. Ron Hubbard.
>
> Yeah, but this is a sensible policy on Wally's part. Hubbard created
> legions of enemies with his hardball tactics. Wally is smart to stick to
> getting a few hundred bucks from each sucker rather than going for
> $380,000. I mean if you're a ruthless cult leader I suppose $380,000 looks
> mighty tempting, but at those rates you somewhat limit how many people can
> afford to purchase it retail. And getting people into a state where they
> will part with that requires serious mindkilling indoctrination. Wally
> would have to set up 'orgs' in every major city to pull that off.
Sure but, you have to admit that in sheer size and power, the CofS dwarfs
NTP. Wally's approach is too conservative. As you have said, revolutions
aren't made via junk mail.
> >He does not try to bed
> >every female follower as did Rajneesh. Wally believes that engaging in the
> >typical cult activities would make him vulnerable to criticism and attack.
>
> Do you have reason to believe that he would like to engage in these
> activities?
I haven't questioned anyone in the Fuck Zon Underground on this, but
none of them brought it up either. Then again, Neo-Kook did start out as
a sex book with that lovingly crafted penis chart...
> >He keeps his personality cult low-key, yet he ruthlessly enforces obedience
> >in his followers and family members. When he says 'jump,' sons 'Mark
> >Hamilton' and 'Eric Savage' say 'how high?'
>
> No wonder they show so little ability to think on their feet.
>
> >Wally maintains his mini-cult
> >because it is a cost-effective way of harnessing others to his cause. As
> >Camille Paglia has pointed out, the personality cult is a natural form of
> >human organization. It is effective. Wally uses it. Yet by surrounding
> >himself with sycophants, he cuts himself off from any useful criticism. How
> >could a follower criticize a man who claims to have surpassed Einstein?
>
> This probably explains why he cannot bring himself to deal with me as a
> value-for-value businessman in regards to his proposed book deal.
No doubt he thinks you must fall to your knees and bow before any offer
the great Wally makes to you. Not exactly a business-like posture on his
part.
> He
> always has to play little mindfucking games like having me send email to
> his little dog-boy Matt Keys, or threatening to reveal my name, or making
> vague statements about how I might be in trouble because my lawyer missed
> some crucial point.
> Wally must have been very surprised when he read my counter offer and
> realized that I had completely thwarted any plans he might have had to rip
> me off, string me along or track me down.
> No wonder he ignored it and posted more vague ramblings.
> Of course he could prove me wrong by posting a genuine response.
>
> >This flaw prevents his business from growing. Talented employees have
> >been purged from the company because they resisted Wally's personality-
> >cult demands.
>
> Plus he cannot hire decent new employees or contractors. Matt Keys may
> do fine work on the web (if he did the Poker book - that's the nicest HTML
> work on the NT site) but he is an abysmal usenet promoter. Wally lost his
> best usenet defender - Nicholas Rich - who may actually be coming to his
> senses. The motley crew of Neo-Dupes on a.n-t is a living testament to the
> inability of NT to keep _real_ value producers in their camp.
Not only that, but most of them are seriously wacky.
> And it seems that he preferred to play mindfucking games with me rather
> than getting me to write a blockbuster bestseller which would give him a
> mainstream product.
> Although I can see how he might find the notion that his most successful
> mainstream bestseller was a book by his archnemesis on the subject of
> totally annihalating his stupid ideas in front of the entire world might
> cause a little cognitive dissonance! :)
And god knows he doesn't need any more of that!
>
> >Wally's third major flaw is the delusion that he is a great writer.
>
> I'd call that his _first_ major flaw.
>
> >Clearly he
> >is a bad writer.
>
> I'd qualify that - today he is a bad writer.
I agree.
> The Poker book has some
> awkward passages but on the whole it is well written. The device of
> portraying the 'concepts' as situations in John Finn's monday night game,
> complete with fairly detailed descriptions of Finn's opponents and dramatic
> situations, makes the book far more entertaining and readable than other
> poker books I've read.
Yes. But then again he was writing a straight-forward manual and not
trying to brainwash the reader. Maybe he can still write like that. Who
knows?
> If Wally is reading this he should get a clue - there's a reason that the
> Poker book is the most respected and (I'm pretty sure) bestselling thing
> you've ever done: It's actually better than your other books.
True. It is the only thing that he wrote that is worth reading.
> I don't know for sure why his writing deteriorated so badly. Maybe he's
> blinded by ideology. Or he just put more effort into the Poker book. Or
> he's letting his sons rewrite his stuff. But whatever the reason, it is
> the low quality of his current output that has consigned him to the outer
> darkness inhabited only by net kooks, cranks, loonies, wackos and other
> objects of derision.
Yes, Neo-Kook was a step down from the poker field, which, in turn, was
a step down from good honest chemistry.
> >His prose is boring, lacks any lucidity, and rambles on and
> >on. His invented words like 'thinkon,' 'neothink,' and 'Zonpower' are simply
> >dorky. He is never quoted by other authors. Nobody takes him seriously
>
> You're forgetting his dupes. The trouble is that no one of consequence
> takes him seriously.
Good clarification. In fact, this must be why he often refers to you as a
'journalist.' Deep down, he probably hopes like hell that you are someone
like Geraldo or Dan Rather. He must dream of being attacked by a major
news organization. That would at least confirm that someone important
was aware of his 'writings.' The truth is that no journalist could make heads
or tails of his 'writings.' In the only know news story done on NT by the
TV station in Vegas, they didn't describe him as a communist, libertarian,
anarchist, etc. The 'writings' were so schizophrenic that they probably
just couldn't make it out. Can't really blame them.
> But he rationalizes that by claiming that they are
> all part of the anticivilization.
> Of course that theory doesn't explain why other people - like me - who
> believe in free markets, life extension, value production and self
> improvement and who are as much enemies of what he calls 'the
> anticivilization' as he is dismiss his work as the ravings of a kook.
How ironic.
> > But Wally is blind to this flaw, and the need to hire and retain talented
> >writers.
>
> Yep. Look how he dissed me!
>
> >If Wally were to dump his delusions of grandeur, he could then follow one
> >of two paths:
> >
> >Path 1 is a business path. Free of requiring cultish behavior from his
> >employees, he could expand his business into a more successful self-help,
> >libertarian, and objectivist book sales and publishing operation. He could
> >hire real managers and allow them to expand the business beyond what he
> >or his family members are able. Then he would have a chance of being an
> >influence in bringing a more libertarian society into being.
>
> Maybe his pride won't allow him to admit that his kids didn't turn out to
> be super-dooper John Galts but are at best Eddie Willers.
I suspect he will end up like Ayn Rand, bitter and alienated from all her
former friends and colleagues.
> >Path 2 is a cult path. Free of great businessman delusions, Wally could
> >build a powerful cult structure like L. Ron Hubbard, the Reverend Sung
> >Myung Moon, or Shoko Asahara. He probably has the mind-control skills to
> >accomplish this, and he would have more money and power to fight the
> >government.
>
> I hope you aren't serious about that.
> Hubbard died a raving PTS Type 3 (Scientology lingo for psychosis)
> deluded that he was covered with Body Thetans. Moon got thrown in prison.
> Shoko is headed for prison and if he had pulled that shit in the US he'd be
> headed for the gas chamber.
> Yes he'd have more money and power to fight the government, but the
> government would devote a lot more money and power to fighting him.
But that's what Wally craves. Hubbard was a drug addict, and Wally ain't.
He could probably learn from Hubbard's mistakes and make a better go of
it. Hubbard was never imprisoned, was he? Wally's just spinning his wheels
now and he's got to try something different.
Hey, Missile Officer Rich should be glad he didn't fall under Shoko's spell while he
was on duty in Japan. Maybe he would have cobbled together a few
missiles for him...
> >A possible third path, as mentioned previously, would be as a
> >revolutionary leader. However, Wally is completely lacking in the personal
> >charisma for such a role.
>
> Not to mention the fact that being a revolutionary is a pretty good way
> to get yourself killed.
Goes with the territory. But real revolutionaries do it anyway.
> >His one attempt to rally the masses behind him
> >was his Golden Helmet speech at his trial. Wally did not call witnesses or
> >cross-exam. His whole strategy was to sway the jury with his oratory.
>
> Ever read 'The Fountainhead'? Sounds like he took a page from Rand and
> tried to base his legal strategy on that.
> Pretty fucking stupid.
Yup, I read it. Wally has trouble separating reality from fiction. You know
that the Golden Helmet is from Don Quixote/Man of La Mancha, right?
> >It
> >was a flop. Wally really thinks that he can rally the masses if he could just
> >get the advertising
> >copy right. But his wacky and muddled writing will never capture the
> >mainstream. The revolutionary path is not recommended.
>
> Any time he is willing to put up the money I can rewrite his whole usenet
> and web advertising campaign to be appealing to normal people.
> But he is too wedded to his mysticisms (and his pride) to admit to
> himself that I could do a better job than he or his relatives.
Hmmm. Sounds like he needs to do some work on his 'personal mysticisms.'
Just imagine if Bill Gates refused to hire any programmers who were more
talented than him. Or if he tried to write all Microsoft software himself, that
is until he had some children to help him. And Wally actually compares
himself to Gates. Ha!
> >Wally is deadly serious in considering himself a great businessman, and
> >will not be able to overcome this fatal flaw. He probably gained the
> >delusion as a science nerd-boy after having read Atlas Shrugged. Just as
> >adolescent boys reading "Superman" comics imagine themselves
> >superheros, Wally probably fancied himself a John-Galt style superhero
> >bringing liberty to the masses.
>
> And ended up losing his job at Dupont when he started basing his memos on
> Rand's philosophy.
Well, I believe him when he says he wasn't fired. Probably didn't have the
balls to send the letter before he quit. He probably gave up his good, clean,
honest chemistry job to become a professional poker player.
> >Wally needs to realize that reality as not
> >the same as fiction. Reality works a little differently.
>
> If being thrown in prison after trying out the Roark gambit at his trial
> didn't make him realize that then nothing will.
> But you know that.
On the other hand, he hasn't been goading the government into arresting
him again. So maybe prison life gave him the ability to see a small
portion of reality after all.
> >Due to his flaws, Wally is stuck with having *both* a cult stunted in its
> >growth, *and* a business stunted in its growth. This is why he has made no
> >progress for two decades. Wally is doomed to hang on the horns of this
> >dilemma and continue on as a phony revolutionary/phony business leader.
> >This is what makes Wally tick.
> >
> >A 10th Anniversary Commemorative Post by
> >A Completely Separate Entity
>
> I notice that Wally had no response to this.
> Guess you hit a little too close to home.
> - King of all Heretics
The zonbots are struck dumb, and Wally's silence speaks volumes.
China Direct
Hi KOAH -- You're not a seperate entity after all. China
China Direct
John Anonymous MacDonald wrote:
>
> In article <32829C...@chinadirect.com>, Smithers
> <mar...@chinadirect.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes, this is true. I was astonished to learn at an international marketing
> >convention in Switzerland a few years back that little NTP actually had a
> >reputation in the European direct marketing industry as one of the most
> >reliable,
> >prompt payers.-China
>
> I guess they never heard about how NTP ripped off BMXerToo for $10,000.
I think any company would be impressed with the fact that little NTP,
strictly
out of good will, paid all of it's employees a $10,000 bonus. Few small
companies NTP's size would ever do such a generous thing. We did not
pay
BMXerToo the bonus because he was a 20-year-old kid who publically
admitted he
had a drinking problem. Paying that bonus to employees was completely
voluntary on NTP's part and we were under no obligation to pay anyone
that
bonus. --China
> I'm sure NTP pays people that have real power in the publishing industry
> - people like Playboy magazine, printers and various advertising outlets -
> promptly. It's those they have contempt and hatred for - like BMXerToo and
> a certain King of all Heretics if he were gullible enough to let them -
> that they are willing to fuck over for a quick buck or the satisfaction of
> a little revenge.
> If there's going to be a deal I will require a lot more than the _word_
> of people who have been libeling and lying about me incessantly.
China Direct
China Direct
China Direct
Yes, this is true. I was astonished to learn at an international
marketing
convention in Switzerland a few years back that little NTP actually had
a
reputation in the European direct marketing industry as one of the most
Matt Keys
John Anonymous MacDonald (nob...@cypherpunks.ca) wrote:
[ big snip ]
hey KOAH (aka Monkey-Boy) and ACSE (aka Ex-Employee #?)
if KOAH is such a good writer and he doesn't accept
NTP's offer, why doesn't he write his book and take
it to an establishment publisher?
Surely the establishment publishers would be able to
see the magnificent value in a "net.war" book, and
don't forget KOAH is such a great writer.
the way KOAH hyped his unwritten book (he is a great
writer you know) you would think anyone would be
dying to publish it. I'll be looking for it on the
best-seller list.
HAW HAW HA HEE HOO HA!
Matt.
P.S. The on-line magazine "Web Review" already did a bit
on the "war" between alt.neo-tech and a.p.o, see
http://webreview.com/96/04/19/edge/
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Nicholas Rich
In article <5608dn$o...@elaine43.Stanford.EDU>, jga...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph G. Adams) wrote:
>
>In article <55vo12$j...@nntp1.best.com>, Nicholas Rich <nr...@ss-n.com> wrote:
>
>> Nicholas Rich . nr...@ss-n.com . http://www.ss-n.com/nick
>>
>> Sachs, Savage & Noble . a...@ss-n.com . http://www.ss-n.com
>> Debt Reduction Professionals . Alternative Dispute Resolution
>>
>> Home-based opportunities with SSN . lead generators . telemarketers
>> affiliate training program . contract negotiators
>> http://www.ss-n.com/wanted.htm
>
>he work for three people named Sachs, Savage, and Noble?
I am not the only person in this firm. There are now quite a few.
>If, as I suspect, he is the head of the firm, why is it necessary to
>use the names of other people?
>
>Just wondering.
For what purpose, and to what end? I suspect nothing of the slightest
interest to me business-wise.
Hey, 3L, how many court cases have you won/settled?
I'm not an attorney, didn't put up $100k for a lawschoo education, nothing
like that.
Yet, I have personally negotiated with attorneys for plaintiffs in
thousands of civil cases which have been filed with courts, resulting in
settlement of those cases, usually within weeks.
Your profession is doomed.
(BTW, I can provide case numbers from courts here locally, in case you doubt
what I'm telling you.)
Nicholas Rich
In article <562ocf$3...@cardinal1.Stanford.EDU>, jga...@leland.Stanford.EDU
(Joseph G. Adams) wrote:
>>>Just wondering.
>>
>>For what purpose, and to what end? I suspect nothing of the slightest
>>interest to me business-wise.
>>
>>Hey, 3L, how many court cases have you won/settled?
>
>Looks like I touched a nerve. :-) Just this past summer, I helped
>a number of corporations with their legal problems, mostly in the
>areas of securities and pension law.
No, you didn't touch a nerve at all. And if you've actually *helped*
corporations, rather than create/make-worse legal problems which can then
only be solved with more billable hours, then I congratulate you.
Actually, of the hundreds of attorneys I've worked with, I like most of
them, particularly the very young ones and the very old ones. The ones
in-between often are a little tough to take. But in the area of simple
contract breaches and debt/money issues, most guys are pretty straight
shoorters.
Now, if I was working personal-injury, premisses liability, or
environmental, I'd be singin' a different tune altogether.
>>Your profession is doomed.
>
>That's not what you claim on your web page:
>
> We have to face it: lawyers and the courtroom are just not going
> to go away. I wouldn't even want them to. They come in handy, and
> are very necessary for genuine legal problems.
>
> (from http://www.ss-n.com/adbrfax2.htm)
Well, then perhaps you didn't see later on in the same piece where it's
written:
Ultimately, the lawyers will go the way of the buggy whip.
Now, what's meant by all this is that over a process of time, the
destructive and wasteful aspect of the legal profession will be rooted out,
and what will be left is the good stuff, particularly knowledgeable,
intelligent "lawyers" (law school educated or not) who are good at
constructing/interpreting contracts and other such valuable stuff, and also
good at constructing arguments, etc. There are other aspects, but those are
the essentials, so far as civil law goes. And, I believe that eventually, in
some far distant future, all law will be civil law.
>Besides, I recently accepted two job offers. I'll do fine.
You plan to be in two places at once?
Seriously, I'm sure you'll do fine, for now. And then, you'll either
recognize and avoid the harmful and destructive elements of the legal
profession, and position yourself for the future, or you'll eventually be
looking for a new profession.