Probably a stupid question
Erich Zann
is a simply fictional work. Anyway, there is supposedly a collection of
Grimoires that exist in a WWII bunker/vault in Germany (apparently in
Osterhorn area near Salzburg). Is there any chance that anybody else
(anybody at all?) has heard these rumours? Hitler's facination with the
occult as a means of power within his "empire" is a topic of great interest
to me.
Thank you for your replies (if any)
E.Z.
KAYVEN
<Nyarla...@mail.com> writes:
The story about a collection of occult literature being hidden near Salzburg is
an invention of Colin Low and his infamous "Anti-FAQ" on the Necronomicon.
The quote in question for those unfamiliar with the Low document:
"The current whereabouts of copies of the Necronomicon is unknown; there is a
story of a large wartime cache of occult and magical documents in the Osterhorn
area near Salzburg. There is a recurring story about a copy bound in the skin
of concentration camp victims."
There are plenty of books out which address the issue of Nazi/Black Magic
involvement, but I haven't come across any specific mention of this wartime
cache. (Though with the huge number of books on the topic, this personal
testimony isn't infallible.)
Of all the Nazi leaders, its only Himmler that seems to be the likely choice
for personal involvement in these matters, and if such were the case, then the
most likely spots for a hidden cache would either be in Wevelsburg, Westphalia
where Himmler had set up a castle/monastery to be the religious center of the
SS. Or the cache would be hidden somewhere in Berlin since according to
Wilhelm Wulff, an astrologer cerced into working for the Nazis in 1941, the
Berlin Institute was being used for experiments in occultism.
But the initial question that arises from all of this is why would the Nazis
hide these grimores in the first place? Its true that there were Nazis that hid
art treasures and gold during the war, but this was mostly for personal profit.
Individuals that either were planing for a wealthy retirement under Nazi rule,
or, especially later in the war, setting up reserves to survive comfortably in
a defeated Germany or South American hideaway. So why magical grimores? And
especially why a Nazi government supported hiding of such tomes?
The assumption is that either the person responsible for the action was
intending on selling the rare books for personal profit after the war (with the
Nazi officials not aware of what was happing presumably), or a secretive group
of occultists were planning on using the books to reinvigorate the Nazi cause
amid the rubble of the defeated Third Riech.
Personally, I would imagine that 99% of the books in question (if there were to
exist) would be nothing more than tracts going on and on about the ancient
Aryans and their connections with everything from Atlantis to the Teutonic
Knights to the Holy Grail. Most of what is publicly known about the books and
ideas of the Nazis and occultism is of this nature. Rarely is there even the
mentioning of anything to do with summoning spirits and demonic entities.
(Though the anthropology professor C. Scott Littleton claimed a story from a
friend that had read through sealed documents of the Nuremberg Trial that told
of a ritual where the SS would decapitate a man of pure Aryan blood and attempt
to comunicate with Hidden Masters through the head. Sklar p. 99-100)
In any case, I'm sure that if there was a hidden cache, the Allied governments
would have done their best to find such a thing. Not perhaps because they
feared the power of the books themselves, but probably to both understand more
about the activities of the war itself and to prevent the books from falling
into the hands of Neo-Nazis and such. (The Library of Congress in Washington
contains thousands of books taken from Hitler's personal library after the
Allied occupation of Germany.) It was just such a fear that lead the German
government to order the destruction of Hitler's bunker just a few weeks ago.
Interestingly, there wasn't any Necronomicon discovered within the bunker as
claimed would be found by numerous individuals.
For example:
"There is a rumor, unsubstantiated, that a copy of
the Black Letter texts lies in a ploughed-over bunker just the other side
of the Brandenburg Gate in East Berlin, however. The revival of certain
hideous pagan religions during the war in Germany, as chronicled by
such historians as Marshall Dill and Alan Bullock lends some credence to
the rumor."
-- _The Necronomicon: A Study_ by Mark Owings (actually, by
Jack Chalker), Mirage Press, 1967. p. 18.
or...
"While I was still a young man in the 1940s, I worked for the MOD. It was
called the War Department in those days. During the war I cracked codes for
them and advised them on Hitler's occult interests. Did you know that there's
suppose to be a copy of the Necronomicon buried in a filled-in bunker just
across the East German border in Berlin? That was the concusion I was lead to
believe. And not just an ordinary copy of that dark dreaded book, but one
written in such a way that the illusions are stripped away that the truth is
presented in hideous simplicity."
-- _Recollections of Titus Crow_ by Henri de Marginy, Spectre
Publishing, 1981. p.11
The bunker was indeed filled in with cement by the Soviets immediately after
the war and Hitler's remains were, supposedly, taken to Moscow so that Stalin
himself could be assured that Hitler was in fact dead. (A strange need really.
It seems that Stalin would occasionally have the remains examined periodicly
over the rest of his life just to guarentee Hitler's death. Almost as if he
expected Hitler to somehow ressurect himself from his essential saltes. Or was
worried by the reports that Hitler was still alive having been spotted in South
America. The irony being that the rumors were a result of the Soviet's secrecy
surrounding their possession of Hitler's remains.)
Well, I'll stop now since I seem to be rambling on a bit. Needless to say, one
has to wonder if maybe something was hidden in Hitler's bunker but it was
discovered and removed by the Soviet army before filling in the bunker.
Certainly no Necronomicon, but perhaps something.
----- Steven Marc Harris
"Churchill allegedly suppressed the facts about the Nazis involvement in
occultism. He ordered that under no circumstances should the general public be
informed of the extent of of the occult activities engaged in by the Third
Reich.... at the Nuremburg trials of the major Nazi war criminals... the truth
about their occult activities and practices was hidden from the world. It was
believed that if it had been revealed in open court, many of the war criminals
on trial would have been declared insane and would have escaped the death
penalty demanded by the Allied prosecutors."
--_The Occult Conspiracy_ by Michael Howard, MJF Books, 1989. p. 140
NaGaic
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<SNIPS>
> Personally, I would imagine that 99% of the books in question (if they were to
> exist) would be nothing more than tracts going on and on about the ancient
> Aryans and their connections with everything from Atlantis to the Teutonic
> Knights to the Holy Grail. Most of what is publicly known about the books and
> ideas of the Nazis and occultism is of this nature. Rarely is there even the
> mentioning of anything to do with summoning spirits and demonic entities.
> (Though the anthropology professor C. Scott Littleton claimed a story from a
> friend that had read through sealed documents of the Nuremberg Trial that told
> of a ritual where the SS would decapitate a man of pure Aryan blood and attempt
<SNIPS>
Let's not forget the Fraternitas Saturni:
http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/saturn.htm
There's a bit more on the Frat:.Sat:. in Stephen E. Flowers, 'Fire and
Ice: The History, Structure, and Rituals of Germany's Most Influential
Modern Magical Order: The Brotherhood of Saturn', 1990, Llewellyn
Publications, ISBN 0-87542-776-6.
An earlier account of the F:.S:. appeared in Francis King's 'Sexuality,
Magic and Perversion', 1972, Citadel Press, ISBN 0-8065-0289-4.
-Khem Caigan
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