Easter Sunday 1973...IT NEVER HAPPENED!...
Flint Carrier
Ripple wants to know...did they reallllly hang that man on the cross
at Wounded Knee?...
Ouch...it must've hurt the buck$ flowing into AIM pockets from
bloodied white libs...like the truth about lenny p and him sticking
that GUN IN ANNA MAES MOUTH...was it really a twisted, perverse male
domination, MACHO thang?
Of course they...oops...WE...oops again...I DID!...and there was Black
Horse...the now infamous Willy Bubba (white Boy) who hung too long
with the skins...iz dat U just an old...?...and Arlo...we
remember...and so do a lot of roots down on the rez...so, go figure...
yeah...denny b and some of his boys hand over this shaggy willy bubba
and say..."he's a fed...we caught him trying to sneak around...go take
care of him...put him out on that cross by Little Big Horn...I bet
those feds will like that"
so we did...Black Horse (all the while thinking...better him then me,
right...) , Arlo and I...along with about 20 or so others...and I know
they all remember...they come up to me later and say so...
so, we didn't have nails, or a hammer...so, we tied him up there...at
least his hands any wayz...and we let him hang...and it was kind of
amazing when we looked at him...hanging there...blindfolded...head
drooped...and him asking over and over..."what...whats going
on?"...reminded us of geezuz...
after we got him up there, we started asking him questions, and he
wouldn't answer, so we started punching him for the feds in the bunker
just across the way there...pretty soon we got the idea to practice
some martial arts on him too...so, we started kicking at
him...roundhouse...side thrust...front snap...that must have been what
pissed off the marshalls in the bunker...cause they called on the
radios...yelling and screaming..."you'd better get that guy off that
cross RIGHT NOW, or we're gonna open up..."...but it weren't no damn 6
hrs...more like an hr. or so...
except we didn't know...we didn't have a radio...they had one in the
bunker though and they came running out saying...orders from
HEADqtrs...take him down...awwwwwww...really?
Yea...they said if we don't...it's firefight
time...OK...Allright!...so...we took him down...
then the marshalls weren't messing around...they demanded we turn that
guy over to them...so we did...and they took him away...his name is
there too...in the records...the hysterikal recordz...
but the big Q remains on the minds of the bloody hearts and it pricks
at their conscious as they recall all those sunday mornings, and it
churns their stomachs deep inside...did they reallllly hang that man
on the cross at Wounded Knee?...as they clench their fists tighter
around that $$$$$$$$$$...
"Oh No...it never happened..." goes on AIM leadershit, like another of
the endless string of mind numbed mantras they recite every morning to
keep themselves from the Gawdawphul TRUTHS...now...
"repeat after me kidz...IT NEVER HAPPENED!..." Dennis Banks was heard
to say...like they said, and thank their white godz for MEMOREX, that
lenny p never put that GUN IN ANNA MAES MOUTH...but there it is...on
that plastic film...those people saying it...hmmmm...
then too therez the audio recording of bellycourt saying "we never
carried gunz...", ???????...
and bellycourt proudly applauding and memorializing a SEXUAL
PREDATOR?...all on tape...
so the historical record seems to be catching up to the fleeing AIM
martyrs and soothsayers, mystiks and brutes..., eh?
wait...whatz that I hear...something newz?...oh,
forgetaboutit...they'll just say...IT NEVER HAPPENED!...
there was no hosapa killed by AIM in WK...waz there?
Flint Carrier
> Easter Sunday 1973
>
> Ripple wants to know...did they reallllly hang that man on the cross
> at Wounded Knee?...
>
> martyrs and soothsayers, mystiks and brutes..., eh?
>
> wait...whatz that I hear...something newz?...oh,
> forgetaboutit...they'll just say...IT NEVER HAPPENED!...
>
> there was no hosapa killed by AIM in WK...waz there?
what waz his name?...Ray...?
"One of the first Black civil rights workers into
Jackson, Mississippi following the death of the
three white civil rights workers, worked with
CORE, worked with Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson,
attended Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Later went to Alabama bought 10 acres to start a
healthy food farm, clinic, eduction on taking blood
pressure, how to use infant formular properly in
the poverty communties, house bombed three times
by KKK, Navy veteran who took brothers older birthdate
in order to get in service as a young man with
connections to Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
Was in Detriot a couple of times between 1968-73
following race riots working with Black Christian
Church Movement, and down south with Clara and
Jim Parker, Christian Socialist Movement in Atlanta,
Georgia.
Lived in DC in Resurection City following the Poor
Peoples March. Went to Wounded Knee in late April,
was not there the next day when one of the other people
who came from Alabama with went in. Says this women
told her, that she heard that Banks shot him in the
knee but that he was sent out to tribal roadblock and
never seen again. Other stories have him being carried
back out to Creek by C. Westerman after being at the med
clinic.
Flint Carrier
> Flint_...@hotmail.com (Flint Carrier) wrote in message news:<bad72ab9.03111...@posting.google.com>...
> > Easter Sunday 1973
> >
> > Ripple wants to know...did they reallllly hang that man on the cross
> > at Wounded Knee?...
> >
> > so the historical record seems to be catching up to the fleeing AIM
> > martyrs and soothsayers, mystiks and brutes..., eh?
> >
> > wait...whatz that I hear...something newz?...oh,
> > forgetaboutit...they'll just say...IT NEVER HAPPENED!...
> >
> > there was no hosapa killed by AIM in WK...waz there?
>
> what waz his name?...Ray...?
>
>
got his picture right here on the desktop...
and word in the field is...his wife and family been looking for him...
they'd like to know what happened...maybe even recover his body, eh?
so, what's the word from AIM leadershit?
you got it..."IT NEVER HAPPENED!"
whatever happened to Command Accountability?
IT NEVER HAPPENED!
thomas
Flint Carrier
> What is a hosapa, and what would be the motive for killing him?
>
>
>
a hosapa is a Black Man (Lakota)...
and that's the question being put on the table..."what was the motive...?"
where...where is AIM leadershit on this...?
in DENIAL!
skabewis
also just known as Ray Robinson in Barbara Deming's books, "Prisons
That Could Not Hold" and "We Cannot Live Without Our Lives." I think
both can be ordered at www.powells.com
His last phone call home to his wife and children was in April 1973
from Crow Dog's Paradise where he said he was going into Wounded Knee.
One of the people traveling with him, went into the Knee a few days
later, Jannie Waller, and was told that if she wanted to live, that
she was not to ask about him anymore.
So, yes -- the question is, what does the AIM leadership have to say
about this latest revealation? And, what did Annie Mae Pictou Aquash,
or Leonard Peltier know about it?
Skabewis
thomas
Below is an article that may be related. Carter Camp describes a black
man who made it into WK, but was killed by "the FBI/Goons" on the way
out and is buried in "no man's land":
November 10, 1999 Leonard Peltier Freedom Month: The Spirit of Wounded Knee
The Spirit of Wounded Knee
By Debbie Lang
Revolutionary Worker #1030, November 14, 1999
"When I led my people into Wounded Knee that dark night, a chain of events was
set in motion which has placed my brother, Leonard Peltier, in a cage. I leave
in the morning to stand and demand freedom for a man whose only crime is being
Indian and Proud, in America."
Carter Camp, Ponca Nation AIM, Ponca City, Oklahoma, 10/29/99
As we stood in a circle for the sunrise ceremony that began Leonard Peltier
Freedom Month in Washington, DC, I looked out across the rolling lawn at the
White House in the distance. I wondered if our brother Leonard can ever see the
morning sun from the dungeon where he is being held.
Leonard Peltier has been imprisoned now for 23 long, hard years--for defending
the people on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota during an
FBI-backed reign of terror after the armed occupation of Wounded Knee in 1973.
And he has continued to fight for freedom for Native people from his prison
cell. He has lent his support to other just struggles such as the battle to stop
the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal. And he has focused attention on the great
crimes this government has committed and continues to commit against Native
people and become a symbol of resistance to millions.
Now, Leonard Peltier is 55 and is seriously ill. He has a heart condition,
diabetes and is unable to chew food because of a jaw condition which prison
authorities will not allow doctors to treat. The situation is urgent. His
defense committee and supporters called for this month of action to demand that
President Clinton sign an order of executive clemency and release Leonard.
*****
"I can only hope, I say hope, my friends, that I will see you soon. I dream of
the day when I can tell you all thank you in person. I can truthfully say that I
will never give up. I ask that all of you never give up on me. We can and will
win this battle. That I am very confident about. Let me shake all of your hands
and embrace you with my love and friendship. Thank you, my friends, for showing
me all the love you have." Excerpt from a message from Leonard Peltier
Leonard Peltier Freedom Month began with three days of protests that focused on
the events that led to Leonard's unjust imprisonment. At Lafayette Park just
across the street from the White House residents of the Pine Ridge Reservation
spoke out for Leonard. They moved people to tears with their stories of the
reign of terror they endured at the hands of the FBI, tribal chairman Dick
Wilson and his "GOON" squads before, during and after the occupation of Wounded
Knee. And veterans of the armed occupation of Wounded Knee raised our spirits
and hopes with their stories of how they got a taste of a different way to live
inside that "liberated territory" for 71 days.
Those who spoke included traditional elder Ellen Moves Camp, a spokesperson and
leader at the occupation of Wounded Knee; Carter Camp, who led the advanced
armed squad that seized Wounded Knee; Rosaline Jumping Bull, who lived on the
ranch in Oglala where the shoot-out took place; Rosaline's niece Fedelia Cross;
Jean Day, who lived in the compound where the shootout took place; Jean Roach, a
survivor of the shoot-out; Russell Loud Hawk, an elder resident of Oglala who
assisted the Wounded Knee occupation, his daughter Arlette Loud Hawk and
grandson Russell Blacksmith.
Edgar Bear Runner read a statement on behalf of the people from Pine Ridge which
said in part:
"Because of Leonard's known advocacy and support for human rights, indigenous
sovereignty, justice and resistance against total U.S. colonization of
indigenous peoples of America he certainly was punished for it and continues to
suffer today at the hands of ongoing U.S. oppression. His 1976 federal
conviction and 200 year sentence speaks for itself. Anybody who stands up for
their rights can face the risk of also being framed and imprisoned like Leonard
Peltier.
"The FBI willfully, knowingly and unconditionally committed acts of aggression,
governmental misconduct, crimes against humanity, peace and the dignity of
mankind, fabrication of a felony extradition, perjury against traditional
oriented individuals and activists from the Oglala Lakota Nation.
From 1972 to 1976, the Oglala Lakota people have witnessed the outright murders
of over 500 tribal members on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. Today, the FBI
admits that there are over 60 unsolved political murders remaining from the
1970s. Members from the FBI's private army, better known to us as the GOON squad
on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation during this era, have admitted that they
were supplied with intelligence, guns and ammunition by the FBI...
"Out of the 537 federally recognized tribes in America over half of the tribes
support Leonard's quest for freedom. We have Congressional support. We have
foreign governments that offered resolutions supporting Leonard Peltier's
freedom. We have city councils throughout America that have endorsed Leonard's
freedom by offering resolutions of support. What more do we have to do? We have
done enough. We have worked hard and now we are here today at the nation's
capital asking that an innocent man be freed." Statements demanding Leonard's
release were read from Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Rigoberta Menchú, Subcommandante
Marcos from the EZLN, a member of the Belgian Parliament, the Native American
Network, John Trudell and Peter Matthiessen.
At one of the sunrise ceremonies, led by Lakota spiritual advisor David Chief,
actor Danny Glover told the press:
"I'm a supporter of Leonard Peltier's struggle. It is a struggle that is deeply
rooted in the struggle of Native American people, the history of Native American
people. It is a struggle that is rooted in the struggle of those people who've
been oppressed. Leonard has made his sacrifice. We cannot forget Leonard. We
demand that Leonard be paroled. There's no evidence-- there's no reason why he
should be still incarcerated and we will continue to struggle for his freedom as
long as we have breath."
Attorney Jennifer Harbury talked about Leonard's legal case. Bill Muldrow,
formerly with the United States Commission on Civil Rights, described civil
rights violations his group documented on the Pine Ridge Reservation. Chief
Billy Tayac of the Piscataway Nation and Medicine Bird White Eagle of the
Cheyenne Nation brought messages of solidarity. Freedom Runners who arrived from
Philadelphia were greeted with a prayer and a song on the drum. Leonard's family
members spoke: his brother Irvin, his daughters Marquita and Kathy; his
granddaughter Alex and his niece Eva. A vigil honoring Native lives was held
where people stood in front of the White House holding handmade signs with the
names and pictures of people murdered on the Pine Ridge Reservation.
This powerful gathering of support for Leonard Peltier did not go unnoticed by
the rulers of this country. The FBI took out radio and newspaper ads full of
lies that called on Clinton to deny Leonard Peltier executive clemency. Ben
Carnes, a spokesperson for the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee, told me:
"Those who feel a sense of justice in this country should really examine the
facts of Leonard Peltier's case and from there they can just know that an
injustice has been done to this man."
One of the most moving moments was when a young Black woman spoke. Her father
had gone to Wounded Knee and never returned. The family contacted the FBI who
claimed they knew nothing about what happened to him. But AIM leader Carter Camp
remembered her father. He had, indeed, made it into Wounded Knee to take part in
the occupation. But he didn't make it out alive. Carter Camp said, "In that no
man's land and in those gullies of that reservation 40 or 50 of our people were
there that we don't know where they are, where they're buried at or how they
died. But we know that they were caught and killed by the FBI/Goons. And her
father happened to be one of them."
*****
I spent four days gathering the stories of the people from Pine Ridge and AIM
who made great sacrifices and came thousands of miles to stand up for Leonard as
he has stood for them. They opened their hearts despite the pain in their eyes
when they spoke of how this system has systematically brutalized and murdered
Native Peoples. And their stories were full of hope and determination--that the
people will free Leonard Peltier.
Flint Carrier
> pde...@cheqnet.net (skabewis) wrote in message news:<53e413c5.03112...@posting.google.com>...
> > You can read about the Civil Rights work of Perry Ray Robinson Jr.
> > also just known as Ray Robinson in Barbara Deming's books, "Prisons
> > That Could Not Hold" and "We Cannot Live Without Our Lives." I think
> > both can be ordered at www.powells.com
> >
> > His last phone call home to his wife and children was in April 1973
> > from Crow Dog's Paradise where he said he was going into Wounded Knee.
> > One of the people traveling with him, went into the Knee a few days
> > later, Jannie Waller, and was told that if she wanted to live, that
> > she was not to ask about him anymore.
> >
> > So, yes -- the question is, what does the AIM leadership have to say
> > about this latest revealation? And, what did Annie Mae Pictou Aquash,
> > or Leonard Peltier know about it?
>
>
> Below is an article that may be related. Carter Camp describes a black
> man who made it into WK, but was killed by "the FBI/Goons" on the way
> out and is buried in "no man's land":
>
>
>
> had gone to Wounded Knee and never returned. The family contacted the FBI who
> claimed they knew nothing about what happened to him. But AIM leader Carter Camp
> remembered her father. He had, indeed, made it into Wounded Knee to take part in
> the occupation. But he didn't make it out alive. Carter Camp said, "In that no
> man's land and in those gullies of that reservation 40 or 50 of our people were
> there that we don't know where they are, where they're buried at or how they
> died. But we know that they were caught and killed by the FBI/Goons. And her
> father happened to be one of them."
> *****
>
Phunny how carter, russ & vern like to play off on all their crimes
like the FBI did it all...
word is...when carter met with rays daughter...he was so scared that
he couldn't face her...
then too...his lies are holding up to the eyewitness accounts of the
actual shooting of this individual by AIM Security...
carter...what were you thinking...i mean stinking?
Diana49
> about this latest revealation? And, what did Annie Mae Pictou Aquash,
> or Leonard Peltier know about it?
>
> Skabewis
Leonard wasn't in Wounded Knee. He MAY be guilty of a lot of things,
but let's not hang everything on him. I have been watching the Annie
Mae Chronicles. I missed them when they were first shown. I only get
bad reception on a couple channels out here in the sticks. I want to
throw something into the pot that you men would never have thought of.
The reporter is asking Kamook about Anna Mae and Dennis's affair and
the interrogation. She (Kamook) says she learned about their
relationship and heard that she (Anna Mae) was interrogated the next
day. What if Dennis's trophy wife demanded that he get rid of her
rival and best friend. What if she said "It's her or me." What if it's
that simple?
Diana
Flint Carrier
BEEP! BEEP!
skabewis
What if, certain AIM leaders who know that Peltier shot the agents
keep proclaiming his innocence because he knows about who was involved
in the murder of Ray Robinson? Seems like they all need to lean on
each other to keep their deeds silent. Ask the question about who all
was at Bill Means house the hour before Annie Mae Pictou Aquash was
executed Dec. 12/13, 1975, when Arlo Looking Cloud, John Boy Graham
and Theda Nelson Clark arrive. NFIC has named some of them online, way
back in 1997, but there are a few more. Lets see, allegedly David
(Mr. X) Hill, Clyde Bellecourt, Russ Means, Crow Dog, Beau Little,
Bill (Dolly) and Ted Means, and by phone (according to Russ Means)
Vernon Bellecourt, who according to Bellecourt himself was in
California, allegedly with Banks. Some of these people don't even like
Peltier, but still come forward to proclaim he represents all the
injustices committed against Indians in America, (note some won't
proclaim he is innocent). Interesting circle.
And, yes, Peltier wasn't even in Wounded Knee, he was in jail for the
attempted murder of a Milwaukee police officer. Remember, the warrant
for his arrrest in 1975 for which agents were looking for him at
Jumping Bull Compound (so Peltier says) on jumping his bail/ attempted
murder charges, the warrant you didn't know anything about earlier.
Working with a team of journalists on this subject since 1992 has been
pretty revealing.
MIB529
Why DOES Flamer lay everything on Leonard, anyway? The man wasn't a saint,
but he couldn't have committed every single homicide west of the
Mississippi. I mean, the Anna Mae issue is confusing enough as it is.
skabewis
anything about Peltier committing every homicide west of the
Mississippi? You know something we don't know? About Roque Duenas?
About the Seattle cabbie? Come on tell us, nice Freudian slip.
Skabewis
Diana49
>
> attempted murder of a Milwaukee police officer. Remember, the warrant
> for his arrrest in 1975 for which agents were looking for him at
> Jumping Bull Compound (so Peltier says) on jumping his bail/ attempted
> murder charges, the warrant you didn't know anything about earlier.
>
> Working with a team of journalists on this subject since 1992 has been
> pretty revealing.
>
> Skabewis
>
the truth out about this. We need to allow her sisters, and her girls
closure. We need to clear her name. She wasn't an informant. I know
you are supposed to be the expert on the movement, but I need proof.
You invoke Richard La Course a lot. I was close to him and trusted his
word but if he was here, I would still want proof. You allege that
Anna Mae was killed because of her knowledge of what happened at
Jumping Bull. Whatever she knew would have been second hand or third
hand knowledge because she wasn't there. It wouldn't have held up in
any court. Did you and your "team of investigative journalists" see
the autopsy reports on Coler and Williams? Leonard was in prison when
Roque Duenas died. Roque may have died simply over a fishing dispute,
not because AIM thought he was an informant. That is the word here.
Diana49
> anything about Peltier committing every homicide west of the
> Mississippi? You know something we don't know? About Roque Duenas?
> About the Seattle cabbie? Come on tell us, nice Freudian slip.
>
> Skabewis
>
>
known everything. No one could. Just as Leonard couldn't have known or
done everything. Anna Mae would not (is not) be happy about being used
as a weapon to hurt Leonard. This case isn't just cold hard
statistics. The people are real human beings. It isn't made up of just
what you would call the principles. You would not recognize the names
and faces of the rank and file of AIM. This affects all of us. I share
what I learn with others here who knew and loved BOTH Anna Mae and
John Boy. Anna Mae was one of us. John Boy and Arlo are one of us.
Leonard is one of us. We deserve to know the truth. I saw Richard La
Course's timeline. Did Minnie Two Shoes or any of the others do
articles? Where can they be found?
Flint Carrier
I believe...but I could be wrong...that Anna Maes girls would be the
only people with any authority to speculate on what she might want...
I don't see her as the pacifist "turn the other cheek" type...and I
find it hard to believe that she liked lenny so much that she could
forget about the GUN IN HER MOUTH...do you? or rather, would you?
then too...the question which then demands attention is...is it OK for
some of us to harm others of us, then to make elaborate lies to cover
it up? to blame it on the enemies...?
since they've all had more than ample time to come clean on this, and
have obviously failed in that...perhaps they opened themselves up to
what they get...ya think?
what was that word again...?
KARMA?!
Diana49
> anything about Peltier committing every homicide west of the
> Mississippi? You know something we don't know? About Roque Duenas?
> About the Seattle cabbie? Come on tell us, nice Freudian slip.
>
> Skabewis
>
clear Anna Mae's name? What's so dangerous about saying Leonard is
innocent? Sheesh! Not only do I think Leonard is innocent. I think the
FBI set up their own people! And killed their own people! Disappear
that!
Cr...@nospam.com
Carrier) wrote:
I am confused.
It seems some are saying Leonard killed Anna Mae.
If there is any real evidence of this could someone please
point me towards it.
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Jimmie
"Diana49" <diana...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That view won't sell many newspapers, and the comments about the FBI
certainly isn't Supreme Court proof either.
Jimmie
skabewis
> known everything. No one could. Just as Leonard couldn't have known or
> done everything. Anna Mae would not (is not) be happy about being used
> as a weapon to hurt Leonard. This case isn't just cold hard
> statistics. The people are real human beings. It isn't made up of just
> what you would call the principles. You would not recognize the names
> and faces of the rank and file of AIM. This affects all of us. I share
> what I learn with others here who knew and loved BOTH Anna Mae and
> John Boy. Anna Mae was one of us. John Boy and Arlo are one of us.
> Leonard is one of us. We deserve to know the truth. I saw Richard La
> Course's timeline. Did Minnie Two Shoes or any of the others do
> articles? Where can they be found?
Long manhunt in U.S. slaying ends with arrest in Vancouver
Suzanne Fournier
The Province
Wednesday, December 03, 2003
John Graham: Focus of international manhunt
An international manhunt ended yesterday with the arrest in Vancouver
of a man wanted for the 1975 slaying of American Indian Movement
activist Anna Mae Pictou-Aquash.
John Graham, known in AIM circles as John Boy and John Patton, was
arrested at the corner of Broadway and St. Catherine's after a 911
call.
Aquash, a Nova Scotia Mi'kmaq and the mother of two daughters, was
found on the Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota in February 1976.
Her frozen body was wrapped in a blanket and she had been shot once in
the head.
Aquash has become an international cause celebre and the subject of
film, theatre and news reports demanding her killers be brought to
justice.
For years, the FBI was suspected of killing her in a bid to
destabilize AIM. In recent years, more compelling evidence has emerged
showing she was executed by AIM to protect inside information.
Graham, who was 20 when Aquash died and is now 48, is married with
children and has been living quietly in Vancouver.
He appeared in B.C. Supreme Court yesterday and was remanded in
custody until a Dec. 17 bail hearing.
Federal justice spokesperson Pascale Boulay said from Ottawa it will
take "at least 90 days" before a decision is made on whether to
extradite Graham to South Dakota.
Graham and co-accused Arlo Looking Cloud, 49, were charged last March
with the murder of Aquash around Dec. 12, 1975.
Looking Cloud, a former AIM foot soldier who had become a homeless
alcoholic, was arrested at that time and is in custody in Rapid City,
S.D., where he will go to trial on Feb. 3.
In a 2000 interview with the CBC, Graham, a member of the Southern
Tuchone First Nation of the Yukon Territory, denied any involvement.
"I wasn't there and I didn't witness it," he said.
Wisconsin journalist Paul DeMain, who has done more than 100
interviews researching the life and death of Aquash, the
highest-ranking woman in the male-dominated AIM, told The Province
yesterday that he believes the order to execute her came from the
highest circles of what was then an armed and radical organization.
"The actual killing was carried out by two low-level AIM foot
soldiers, but Anna Mae was executed because she knew that Leonard
Peltier had killed two FBI agents and she knew about a controversial
death at Wounded Knee," said DeMain.
Peltier, who was extradited from Vancouver to the U.S., is serving two
life sentences for the FBI murders.
Aquash's two daughters, Debbie Maloney Pictou, now an RCMP officer in
Nova Scotia, and Denise Maloney Pictou of Toronto, said when Looking
Cloud and Graham were charged that they were glad a conspiracy of
silence had ended.
"We were inspired with those who chose to courageously stand on their
own and honour our mother's spirit with truth and integrity," the
sisters said then.
They have refused comment since the two were arrested.
Flint Carrier
the system was locked up for periodic maitainance...collecting all of
your emails, routing info, etc...
skabewis
I think the
> FBI set up their own people! And killed their own people! Disappear
> that!
Sooo.... Leonard Peltier was working for the FBI when he shot the
agents? Interesting theory, then the FBI fabricated and screwed up the
evidence trying to get him off, but it didn't work. Hmmmm, never
thought of that angle.
Skabewis
Diana49
> only people with any authority to speculate on what she might want...
They know their mother better than anyone of course. That is still my
opinion. I would not want my life to be used to further someone else's
agenda or to hurt someone else.
>
> I don't see her as the pacifist "turn the other cheek" type...and I
> find it hard to believe that she liked lenny so much that she could
> forget about the GUN IN HER MOUTH...do you? or rather, would you?
She didn't take revenge on Nogeeshik for his abuse. She left him.
Abuse of women and children (or anyone) is wrong. It is not
Traditional. It is part of our modern dysfunctional behavior and we
must stop this. If Leonard did that, it was wrong. No, I wouldn't have
liked it. It would have terrified me. Revenge? I don't know. I have no
answers. I think she believed so much in "The Cause" she didn't run.
She faced her accusers. She must have thought that the truth would win
out. That's true idealism. That's what breaks my heart about this
whole story.
>
> then too...the question which then demands attention is...is it OK for
> some of us to harm others of us, then to make elaborate lies to cover
> it up? to blame it on the enemies...?
No. It's not okay. I am going to give Arlo and Johnboy the benefit of
the doubt until they are proven guilty. If they are. They deserve it.
I don't want to see them railroaded the way Leonard was.
>
> since they've all had more than ample time to come clean on this, and
> have obviously failed in that...perhaps they opened themselves up to
> what they get...ya think?
>
> what was that word again...?
>
> KARMA?!
It is a teaching here that we don't get out of this life until we
bring it into balance. We pay for what we did wrong or get our rewards
here, not in heaven or hell. So yes the Spirit will have justice. We
have no assurance of that in the white man's courts.
Flint Carrier
WOPILA!!!
Diana49
Why didn't they follow up on the person who had one of the agents
guns? Did you see the autopsy report on Coler and Williams? They may
have been killed but MURDERED? You have to accept the FBI's word on
that. And no, I have known Russ Means too long to accept his word on
anything. So don't EVEN bring that up. Yes, the FBI fabricated and
screwed up most of their evidence. When the Mr. X fiasco came up,
Leonard said he knew who shot the agents, but he wasn't going to tell
just to save his own skin. I am taking what everyone is saying now
with a grain of salt. I remember the fear and paranoia from the old
days. I hope people ARE telling the truth to clear their conscience.
Leonard is a convenient scapegoat. The FBI and all the guilty (whoever
they may be) would find it easy to blame him. He's already serving two
life sentences. One more won't make any difference in his time anyway.
But I want to know the truth.
Diana49
>
> the system was locked up for periodic maitainance...
collecting all of
> your emails,
Paranoid old-timer that I am, I assumed that. Turkey!
routing info, etc...
Flint Carrier
> Flint_...@hotmail.com (Flint Carrier) wrote in message > > that!
> >
> > the system was locked up for periodic maitainance...
>
> collecting all of
>
>
> Paranoid old-timer that I am, I assumed that. Turkey!
>
Turkey?...Daaaaannnng...
ya doin OK?
RedBear
Anna Mae is hard on her. She sent me a copy of the video you sent her
so she could have someone to discuss with. When she gets to a phone.;)
Flint_...@hotmail.com (Flint Carrier) wrote in message news:<bad72ab9.03120...@posting.google.com>...
> >
>
> Turkey?...Daaaaannnng...
>
> ya doin OK?
skabewis
> guns? Did you see the autopsy report on Coler and Williams? They may
> have been killed but MURDERED? You have to accept the FBI's word on
> that. And no, I have known Russ Means too long to accept his word on
> anything. So don't EVEN bring that up. Yes, the FBI fabricated and
> screwed up most of their evidence. When the Mr. X fiasco came up,
> Leonard said he knew who shot the agents, but he wasn't going to tell
> just to save his own skin. I am taking what everyone is saying now
> with a grain of salt. I remember the fear and paranoia from the old
> days. I hope people ARE telling the truth to clear their conscience.
> Leonard is a convenient scapegoat. The FBI and all the guilty (whoever
> they may be) would find it easy to blame him. He's already serving two
> life sentences. One more won't make any difference in his time anyway.
> But I want to know the truth.
It was Peltier who had Coler's pistol with him in the days leading up
to the Marlo Brando Motor home bust -- had it holstered and with him
showing it off for a couple of months to many AIM buddies. It was
found in a brown paper bag under the passenger seat with his
fingerprints on it. Banks was always known to have been the driver of
the Motor home, but several of my sources have said, Peltier liked
calling it counting coup, and stripping the enemy -- of his prizes,
and dignity.
Skabewis
Diana49
> to the Marlo Brando Motor home bust -- had it holstered and with him
> showing it off for a couple of months to many AIM buddies. It was
> found in a brown paper bag under the passenger seat with his
> fingerprints on it. Banks was always known to have been the driver of
> the Motor home, but several of my sources have said, Peltier liked
> calling it counting coup, and stripping the enemy -- of his prizes,
> and dignity.
>
> Skabewis
There was another person named in the foia documents on the peltier
site. I just checked and that page isn't available. hmmm....I just saw
your paper for the first time. It's good. I still think Leonard is
innocent of shooting the agents.
skabewis
> site. I just checked and that page isn't available. hmmm....I just saw
> your paper for the first time. It's good. I still think Leonard is
> innocent of shooting the agents.
Give me a couple of days to look at the FOI stuff I have. Your right
in that each agent had at least one pistol and one shotgun. I think
one of the other pistols ended up on the Menominee Rez, and the other
shotguns were found in other busts as well. I'll see what I can find.
Skabewis
R. Hall
Why am I not equal to a woman raped, murdered, and left to rot?
Lridge164
rha...@mail.shepherd.edu (R. Hall) writes:
>Why am I not equal to a woman raped, murdered, and left to rot?
>
>
has all dat happened to u?
skabewis
> in that each agent had at least one pistol and one shotgun. I think
> one of the other pistols ended up on the Menominee Rez, and the other
> shotguns were found in other busts as well. I'll see what I can find.
>
> Skabewis
I found some of the information but not the report I was looking for,
still searching the boxes. William's .357 Smith and Wesson was found
in the bust at Al Running's house in a vehicle described as being
owned to Leroy Cascades. A shotgun was reportedly found that
belonged to one of the agents on another person and it noted is was
allegedly bought from someone identified as Frank Blackhorse. And
Coler's pistol as I said earlier was found in the Marlo Brando motor
home in a brown paper bag with Peltier's print on it.
If I find the other report soon, I will post what I see here.
Skabewis
R. Hall
I'll ask the questions, ma'am.
R. Hall
"Smell of Desire" by Enigma
antispasmodi
Diana49
> > Give me a couple of days to look at the FOI stuff I have. Your right
> > in that each agent had at least one pistol and one shotgun. I think
> > one of the other pistols ended up on the Menominee Rez, and the other
> > shotguns were found in other busts as well. I'll see what I can find.
> >
> > Skabewis
>
> I found some of the information but not the report I was looking for,
> still searching the boxes. William's .357 Smith and Wesson was found
> in the bust at Al Running's house in a vehicle described as being
> owned to Leroy Cascades.
That was the document that disappeared and is now back on the Peltier
site. Thank you. I think that it is very convenient to be able to pin
things on Leonard. I hope that what comes out in the trials IS the
truth. There are so many versions circulating. I would hate to see
JohnBoy and Arlo go down because they refuse to sell anyone else out.
On "The Execution of Anna Mae" the reporter asks Norm Zigrossi if he
remembers informant "A" and "B." He says "I remember the best
informant we had. He's a friend of mine." He sidesteps the question of
A and B. They may not have existed at all. It may have been another
rumour to set up Anna Mae or someone else. They sure manipulated us
then and they're probably still doing it.
skabewis
> site. Thank you. I think that it is very convenient to be able to pin
> things on Leonard. I hope that what comes out in the trials IS the
> truth. There are so many versions circulating. I would hate to see
> JohnBoy and Arlo go down because they refuse to sell anyone else out.
> On "The Execution of Anna Mae" the reporter asks Norm Zigrossi if he
> remembers informant "A" and "B." He says "I remember the best
> informant we had. He's a friend of mine." He sidesteps the question of
> A and B. They may not have existed at all. It may have been another
> rumour to set up Anna Mae or someone else. They sure manipulated us
> then and they're probably still doing it.
Zigrossi did side step the question, but interesting that Zigrossi
said "HE'S a friend of mine." Vernon Bellecourt had/has told many
people over the years, especially back in 1975 about who he thougt A&B
were, that one was Annie Mae, and the other was Roque Duenas if that
is what you meant by "they sure manipulated us."
Skabewis
Diana49
>
> >
>
> said "HE'S a friend of mine." Vernon Bellecourt had/has told many
> people over the years, especially back in 1975 about who he thougt A&B
> were, that one was Annie Mae, and the other was Roque Duenas if that
> is what you meant by "they sure manipulated us."
>
> Skabewis
Roque was a local Skin. I don't think he had access to that kind of
info. Did you read "Loud Hawk" by Ken Stern? He followed the trail of
the motor home when he was doing research for the book. Supposedly
everyone was underground, right? He freaked when he found out what
they were doing while they were hiding. Leonard was making frequent
trips to Seattle bars and getting drunk. Dennis did a speaking
engagement in Seattle for money. Dennis called a meeting with all the
local activist groups. Informants weren't needed. I think when you
have an ego as big as some of the leadership, you can't do anything
silently. Since watching the arrogant Zigrossi, I have the sick
feeling that A and B may never have existed. That it was just
disinformation. I am angry and I don't know what to do with that
anger.
skabewis
> info. Did you read "Loud Hawk" by Ken Stern? He followed the trail of
> the motor home when he was doing research for the book. Supposedly
> everyone was underground, right? He freaked when he found out what
> they were doing while they were hiding. Leonard was making frequent
> trips to Seattle bars and getting drunk. Dennis did a speaking
> engagement in Seattle for money. Dennis called a meeting with all the
> local activist groups. Informants weren't needed. I think when you
> have an ego as big as some of the leadership, you can't do anything
> silently. Since watching the arrogant Zigrossi, I have the sick
> feeling that A and B may never have existed. That it was just
> disinformation. I am angry and I don't know what to do with that
> anger.
Have all kinds of things noted from Stern's book. Interesting about
what they were doing... including Peltier stopping off the day the
caravan was on the road to tap a woman he knew ---- Joe Stuntz's
widow. Most of been Leonard's way of showing his condolences for Joe's
death.
Skabewis
Lridge164
pde...@cheqnet.net (skabewis) writes:
>Have all kinds of things noted from Stern's book. Interesting about
>what they were doing... including Peltier stopping off the day the
>caravan was on the road to tap a woman he knew ---- Joe Stuntz's
>widow. Most of been Leonard's way of showing his condolences for Joe's
>death.
>
>Skabewis
now dat's funny,
but how can u be so sure
it happened, did Stern make a first hand observation?
Duane Hoberg
and ask what Anna's daughter's have to say about the Peltier case?
I'm a little curious that with all of this concern about Leonard Peltier
there has been very little mention about *her* family and her own children
who **in my opinion** would seem to be the real victims in this tragedy.
Also...is there a sight we can go to for expressing our thoughts and
sympathies in support of Anna May Aquash's Family for their endless and
ongoing grief?
Thanks in advance,
Kris
skabewis
> sympathies in support of Anna May Aquash's Family for their endless and
> ongoing grief?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Kris
http://www.annamaejustice.com/
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 19, 2003
A Statement from the Family of Anna Mae Pictou
Aquash
A Canadian mother, kidnapped, raped and murdered on 11-12
December 1975,
allegedly by members of the American Indian Movement (AIM)
They say it is hard for dead people to defend themselves. That being
said Anna Mae Pictou Aquash has not had the voice to defend herself in
27 years. Nor has anyone stepped up to aid in defending her rights in
27 years. This February will mark the 28th year since a farmer in
South Dakota found her frozen lifeless body. Initially thought to have
died of exposure her body was desecrated by severing the hands for
identification and she was given a hasty "Jane Doe" burial. Shortly
thereafter family intervention brought on an exhumation and a second
autopsy that would reveal a gunshot wound at the back of her head.
Anna Mae Pictou Aquash was a human being, a woman, and her death was
not a consequence of political unrest or warfare. Anna Mae was killed
because she had moral ethics, because she chose to stand apart from
the masses and denounce behaviour that would compromised her morality
on all levels by all people surrounding her. She is revered in native
communities and among her peers as being one of the most innovative
and intellectually evolved human beings of her time. Passionate about
human rights and the preservation of tribal communities she would not
back down and accept her fate or her peoples ethnic cleansing as a
matter of consequence. She would end up representing women's rights
and human rights in a way that unnerved and threatened representatives
of the very group of people that she died trying to protect.
When our family first learned that it was probably, her own people
that murdered her we were in disbelief and a great deal of pain. How
could the people she sacrificed her own family for take such actions
on another human being? She spoke incessantly on the moral standings
of the organization she dedicated her last few years of her life to.
She spoke of traditional ways and preserving the rights and traditions
of all indigenous nations. I am not that familiar with all the
traditional ways in all nations but I am pretty sure that taking one
of your own out and shooting them in the back of the head is not a
common traditional practice. It appears to me that the individuals who
held office in those days, the same individuals who were supposedly
mandating their causes to prevent the western world from poisoning
their traditional cultures allowed just that to happen to them.
They became victims of their own cause. I have heard comments like "we
will not sell out our brothers" But they would kidnap, rape, and
murder a sister? This is not a Non-Indian against Indian issue. My
mother was a victim of violence. Her family will not accept her death
as a matter of consequence. We are hurt and insulted by the lack of
involvement both governments have exhibited. All any one has to do who
reads this is ask themselves what they would have done if this was
their mother or family member. Recent statements by our Canadian Dept
of Justice stated, " Mr. Graham should have a fair trial and that his
rights should be taken into account." Am I to assume that after death
we have no rights? That being said, what about the rights of her
surviving family?
Our mother was a Canadian citizen; a woman and her rights have never
been taken into consideration. She was tossed aside continually like a
bag of garbage from bureaucratic desk to bureaucratic desk. Cloaking
things in political propaganda still does not excuse or justify
another human being killing another human being not to mention a
mother, sister, and wife. . After what we have had to endure with my
mothers death including the level of ignorance we have had to contend
with of people who continue to support and protect those that murdered
my mother there is no doubt that we will be there to make sure no one
has their rights violated. Regarding concern that individuals get a
fair trial, we ask the question - How can that happen if the person
is not brought to trial?
There has to be an example set that we can have some form of faith in
our current justice system to undue 27 years of injustice and begin
the healing. This is 2003 not 1976. Living in a past that is 27 years
old does not allow us prove that we have evolved as a society. Yes,
the ugliness of our reality still exists but how are we to overcome
that if we continue to mistrust and be suspect of the very
institutions who can bring us resolve? Moreover, for those that
believe Mr. Graham is not guilty then what information do they possess
that would prove otherwise. Why is it that they are not stepping
forward publicly to defend him? I am sure any person who has had 27
years to bury the truth or protect those that know the truth can
accomplish a level of martyrdom in any person's eyes.
If Mr. Graham is not guilty of murdering my mother then he must have
had enough involvement or know information to prove who did. Our fear
is that if Mr. Graham is released on bail and if he is a victim of
"scape-goating" then those that have killed my mother will make sure
that the information he does know does not make trial. Only a few
people would really know if Mr.Graham is guilty or not, Mr. Graham
himself, my mother, those that were allegedly with them, and any
people John Graham may have told himself. It is our hopes that Mr.
Graham is kept in Protective custody until his trial date to prevent
any further delay in a case that has already gone way past due
process. I pray daily that the knowledge of the pain, sadness and
regret we have had to endure as her family in the last 27 years fills
those with the insight that is necessary to step forward to absolve
their spirits and to honour and respect not only a woman in death as
much as they revered and honoured her in life, but a concept of
thinking and consciousness that is greater than us all. The truth
unconditionally!
In the spirit of our mother,
Denise and Deborah Maloney Pictou
Contact;
Catherine Martin 1- 902-852-3734 mik...@ns.sympatico.ca
Duane Hoberg
I've saved the site so I can post an appropriate message when I find the
time . My heart goes out to all envolved! Especially Anna's family even
though I never knew them. To be the child of a mother who was murdered is
soooo sad! I had a friend in grammar school who's mother was murdered when
she was only six years old!
Thanks again,
Kris
-------------------Skabewis kindly posted----------------