For Emperor Jim
Unknown
Here's one for you. Maybe while you're out there they can take you to a
basketball game. Greyhills has a good team most years.
MUST READ DON'T MISS THE PREMIERE OF "SURVIVOR III, THE REZ"
Ten white people will be dropped into a reservation where they will have
to..... endure one week of hardship, gossiping, backstabbing,
jealousy, basketball tourneys, all night ceremonies 49'ers and squaw dances
Be able to survive on a high-fat, high cholesterol diet (USDA
approved)of mutton and fry bread and if they are lucky, some watermelon.
They will not be allowed any SPF sunblock (...as to achieve that tan they
admire!)
Herd sheep on bareback with a sheep dog that only understands Navajo.
Listen to KTNN- The Voice of the Navajo Nation
Sit in a sweathouse after going to a Peyote meeting.
The 10 contestants will be given:
* five sacred rocks.
* Old Chevy truck for all ten to sit up front in.
* un-winterized NHA house.
* Three days worth flour, coffee and salt.
* A herd of 2 sheep
* Vincent Craig’s greatest hits.
* Moccasins, headbands and wranglers to wear around the Rez (which
demonstrates cultural sensitivity to reservation inhabitants).
The SAV, lone survivor of the RESERVATION, will receive:
* Casino coupon book (a $10.00 value).
* Authentic, Indian hand-made Dreamcatcher.
* Sheepherder’s special (25lb of blue bird, case of Shasta, bag of potatoes
and some of Loretta's cinnamon rolls).
* A "Chief's" Edition Pendleton blanket. And last.... a world-class
tour of Window Rock and all its fine amenities.
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Sunsite
>* A herd of 2 sheep
There may be Internet Indians and crazy white people in this public
square, but please don't go away. You could write a book.
--
(another) Jim
Unknown
On 6-Feb-2003, Sunsite <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:09:11 GMT, "Jack Strong" <> wrote:
>
> >* A herd of 2 sheep
>
> There may be Internet Indians and crazy white people in this public
> square, but please don't go away.
Careful there you're going against the groupthink
>You could write a book.
Probably not, in general I can't piece together anything much over a
paragraph or two long.
> --
> (another) Jim
Ponteach1
>From: ">"Jack Strong" <>
>Date: 2/6/03 12:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3e42c...@corp.newsgroups.com>
HURTFUL BUSINESS OF JUSTICE---
Jack, you Car Desk Jack ...You making death threats or promises asshole???? You
think there is something amusing about the rape and death of a Tribal woman? A
woman of the Tribes?Nations ? A Mother? A wife?A grandchild? You sick
fuck...get away from me...before I get really pissed off...She knew her
killer....but it was still rape..because .she knew she was a dead woman....how
dare you...you slime....cowards....woman beaters and terrorizing me to stand
down to any murders of women and children....helpless poor and being
intimidated by Badges and guns ...and loving Tribal women...you cowards....Call
the Apache women....the Mic Mq are linguisticaly related..Dreamcatcher Nations
also.....They will kick alll your asses...they ain't afraid of you
either...They are warriors too...
Shall I start in on a more intense Investigation on the death of Anna Mae
Aquash aka Lou Pictou? I don't play favorites if a Fed Badge or BIA or a A.I.M
or a woman or man of the Tribes...On the Great Sioux Nations Reserves Lands?
Ft.Laramie Treaty Lands?Mic Maq men better stand down...this is women's Nations
business...back off!!! Now!!! You males think you are so damn slick ...stop
exploiting her...
List of suspects?No problemo... I just don't give a damn whose a LAW Badge or
Indian or male or female or a raping animal and a murderer anymore......Makes
no nevermind to me...It will be a CHEYENNE CRAZY HORSE woman and a MOHICAN
woman riding down on your disrespectful ass in a TRIBAL FURY ......How dare
you!!!
Some of the Lakota women hated her too!! I know women!! TREACHERY!!!
JEALOUSY!!! That pretty woman was a WARRIOR!!! Don't any of you disrespect her
memory or I will ride down on all of you....You gd Media exploiters of human
suffering....Get some damn ETHICS!!! Leave her memory and her children alone!!!
Tell the South Dakota Governor Mr.William Janklow?You and I are not going to
play any games as I know the track and agenda and your perversions and modus
operendi and ugly past and sign speak of the Legal Aid Lawyers and the Wardship
and CASA and the Guardians of the INDIANS of TREATY!! So try me you NAZI
Janklow!! I will put you out of child raping business!!! Legally!!! Tribal
Law!!
Someone call the U.S.Marshalls fore I get really pissed off...you work and you
don't work me over either....Don't make me lose respect for you either..I mean
it...Keep the Bounty Hunters off my ass too.I won't play!!! Texas bitch had a
Ford used Ranger p/u with a Vancouver Ford ***** (5 Star" Rating from their PR
Firm bullshit lying to the public-- I was told later it was a fraud...) Dealer
license plate on the blue truck..A.I.M male was with her and slim in stature
his hair was brown and long and he had the A.I.M patch on his denim jacket at a
sobriety meeting and went and used the phone when they id 's me..that day was
the last time I ever drove that Ford Mustang steel gray 4 cylinder auto
convertible .car too...he said he sold it...liar..copycat women he used to
pretend it was me while he kept me a terrorized prisoner in that fucking
nightmare cowering in fear house of his....Then he left me there for a week
while he went on Vacation to Florida...I was gonna take my life again...but I
just could not give up hope...till finally I kicked him out and took the train
to Montana...I was so scared....I only saw him once again..in Court as they
handed him all the Property...Legal Aids of Law worked me over and screamed at
me to sign fraud papers to hand over my life...I was so battered and afraid and
still again made homeless...everytime I stand up and defend my sad life I am
ganged up on...Catholics and Mormons...Unethical Lawyers....bunch of vultures
probably all say after my death they were my friends...HA!!---Straight through
ot WA DC---I know...yes I know....""Cookies" to the Ford
Dealer...lying..."cookies from Internet" is what...I am sick of you Jon...Sam?
Your employee was breaking into U.S.Military Sites....I told em to quit it...a
real dumb ass...... Evil minded slime.....grrrrrrrrr OSAGE HEADRIGHTS MURDER
INC.....F.B.I.Fies...F.B.I..GOV ..READ it.
My man??Noooooo ..He sure had me fooled.....he was a OK asshole too........He
and they.violated WA State Property Laws...there is more....he had a false
ceremony of marriage while I was locked up...his lying co employee buddies
females gave him up to that fraud...Oh? We were NEVER legally married in
Reno,NV (Clark County)He pulled a fast legal move and got all kinds of people
involved in it....dumb ass..I won't ever be his wife..He threatened me I had to
keep using his name too....I am better than that... there conniving family
dysfunctional problems....that is not love..it is Murder Inc....Real
Estate...theft......one witness on marriage certificate per his
Momma...grrr...bitch......that car is evidence...you assholes interferring in
our Town's sobriety Programs.....you suckers scaring me and lying....back
off..gd.Texas wannabe Bulls and Steers....I know just what Politicos who were
on Prodigy...hey ? A couple of frybread recipes...talk about Organized Crime
and whoring out a woman..biggest slut men are in WA DC...Car Business....lying
and cheating and F.B.I. helping them...yeah I know...conspiracy to comitt
murder on a Treaty Decendent ....yup and that slime I was living with knew it
and so did Marleborough, MA....Psyche Nurse-F.B.I.? Hey??? Jana? Psyche ,MA??
Secret U.S.Military Installation? Damn straight I know .... I ain't no UFO or
Alien you mind fucking bending criminal C.I.A style drug dealer and messin in
my Community and Pharmacists too....You just don't care who you Feds hurt do
you? I was physically abused by a Nurse in Intensive care in a OR Hospital
(some Nurse-I interfer in the exploitation planned on me and my sad life?) and
that surgery..also Oregon HMO .lots of AIDs?HIV negative.. free blood too...I
donated my own blood twice..vampires....I was very responsible about AIDS
testing and even in Montana I had one too...I was done with him and his
cheating.....they wanted my dna and my blood...slime immoral scientist and
unethcial not human creeps.......MN...too...yeah I I know... --Russians
too...gawd...what horror to do to one person...I told a story of the Treaty
Nations...but assaulting me and raping my body and my Psyche under the guise of
healing? Gawd.....This Country is gonna get sicker if that stuff don't
stop...my .blood...teeth...my most sacred right to say my right as a
woman...you lowdown monsters....Catholic evil minded ...who are so afraid and
yet only need to honest about what darkness the Church has been involved
in..Heal your own Churches.....Priest...
..Boston... Papal Bulls and orders...Indian Residential School Records..YOU
tortured Sitting Bull''s beloved child and trying to make him a servant...a
Holy Child...you monsters ...and .luring...exploiting me...you gave your self
up you fraud friends....and that 45 minutes turned to 4 hours and I was
terrorized there too..you fucking cowards...the women who use to be my friends
and not my Mothers either.MY Mother is deceased,....mocking me and the 1995
story about Shawnee/Blackfeet Nation of Idaho.?? Auction Houses and Nazi Flags
and captured Japanese Ceremonial Swords...They belong to the Japanese Warrior
Societies...Why don't be a GOOD Decent American and show the best of who were
are..Give em back.FREE the SWORDS---..you exploiters and war
mongers....Liars...Shawnee/Blackfoot and the "toxic" Train and the Gov was
called by the Tribes....I know I never left town Vancover Ford....you were
destroying his mind your most profiting dealing desk manager...I loved him
so..once .you messed in my mind and I was trying to heal him.Hell ya we
fought...but I never took my ring off first..he did....I ain't no servant or
mistress to be whored out and exploited........I think you and the rest are
Murderers....you killed him and I both....he became ruthless and dark and
scary...he hated me....You made me suffer for loving him....I could have cared
what his Mommy thought...or his loser in love powerbroker Sister and the OK
family Lawyer scam ops she pulls ...she ain't no caregiver..she is a
bitch...she started it.....you don't mess in my personal relationships....I
never did go for that.....Moms or kids or ex wives or buddies...Shawnee.....no
damn such place or Rez..you despicable bitches..occultist and exploiters and
coyotes......knew it....they fucking knew it was planned....to get that jackass
pedophile out of trouble...Conspiracy...Lands...money...
.Archbishop of Boston...has no shame or mercy or pity....Get the hell out of my
Town...This was a decent Community and yet too many bigots and dirty Cops but
we are rooting them out.....Gangsters....YOU frauds and Coyotes.....Kiss your
F.B.I..( "A.I.M ,Pine Ridge & the F.B.I."---Page 1-2....)Uncover F.B.I.
Agents...LPDC...fuck you!!! .F.B.I Agents....Credentials and Law Degree and
Nursing Degree goodbye...you ain't fooling me...that evil done on me in that
Hospital was arranged by a French Catholic Coyote..a FBI Profiler...you are
sicker than I ever was and you have no respect of the mentally ill...or Indian
women or men.....you all cannot see anything but either killing us or drugging
us or leading us to the edge to shine your tarnished Badges...for coverup on
Conspiracy to defraud us of our ancestry and the Lands...you dirty lowdown
criminals......with that Jack Desk Manager Jesuit Nazi I trusted helping
them...the Trip to Boston is why....by a bunch of PIMPS now in WA DC and other
places..."Take care," assholes...you ain't no Eagles...your RICO
Gangsters...your wives know your dirty secrets? Shut up F.B.I. Bob...your ass
is in deep too....I ain't your ticket to Heaven either....I will have the Fire
Marshalls investigate a whole lot of unusual fires in WA and Indian
Country...and the FR Tribes know now ....Always picking on the
indians...killing women and children...to control and terrorize their
menfolk...you are despicable...dirty business of destroying identity and
work....you cowards....You know I am dead and so do I but you want me?Show up
and face me you coward stalkers...F.B.I. needs a good housecleaning and list of
Agents Retired who have dirty dark murderous secrets....Right
Zigrossi???J.Edgar F.B.I
Files...I will not cower to any of you....fuck your dirty murdering women and
children and exploiting their lands.....Tribes should permanently bar you from
their lands....serves you right you are the ones destroying the credibility of
all the new and up coming Agents and other Agencies...of COPS...hear that NYPD
( I am New York Mohawk/Seneca/Mohican) is why... I always admired them greatly
too) and LAPD???Stay honest and hold fast to your integrity.Clean up your own
ranks....... who believe in justice ....All you need is the U.S.Constitution to
know we will help you in times of trouble....But I hate dirty Cops...We the
People " all do....Your our Heros
...Firefighters...EMT's..Nurses....Angels....hold your faith...I am just trying
to get our Nation healthy....
But treachery and Lands and Law and not out and out murder to protect your
dirty secrets coming out....I don't respect the ol Dawgs...give it up....
Law of the Tribes!! I could give a shit if you are rich or powerful....you
don't put your hands on me asshole...you are not given permission to....ever!!!
The RoseBud Sioux hold jurisdiction!!! I hold the jurisdiction also.!!! She and
her Mother were murdered to cover up a dirty rapist pedophile child and woman
beating cowards who would not have dared to take on the men.You cowards picking
on women and children...
Dennis Banks?Choose your Path asshole on this matter?You and I know who was
suspect and don't you fuck with me Chippewa man!! I am flat done being raped!!
Makes no damn nevermind to me asshole!!
Story she may have been a Fed?I will tell you what?She was a warrior and the
only way it would have happened?Is if her children would have been made the
blackmaill to make her do it.Besides I know who the men are who don't want no
woman being a warrior showing them up/...shall I keep going?????She nailed
Douglas Durham the FBI Informant in a second so don't make her a foolish
woman....Even Dennis knows what a sick fuck he was...Camp #13? Remember...gawd
what sickness....evil...
Someone tell that damn reality Survivor Show exploiting peoples cultures all
over the world for fun and profit and disrespect to any Indiginous Peoples to
stay the fuck off the Lands of the Federally Recognized Treaty Nations and
abusing us that way.For money.Assholes in Hollywood are corrupting our children
and the competition is a disgrace.WE are not your servants or maids or
playthings!!! Nor do you or the story about F.B.I. ."Advertising" lies he told
own me either...fuck your morals and lack of ethics..."XENA-Warrior
Princess"--- They should review every single Case you ever worked too...and any
Agent you worked with,...I ain't your Partner...I don't and won't do that...in
Investigations or the Car business., either...I know how you use it to your
advanatge is why...Good Ol BOYZ Network....pukes...PN was a collegue and I did
once consider him a friend...but he knows what he did...He does not decide my
ethics...besides I liked and respected your ex wife...
I am sick at heart....I just wanted to go home once and meet the Chippewa...my
Mother's relations..I met these people on a thing called a Computer... I
admired them all and thought so brave and beautiful On Prodigy...once...names I
respected ....admired....wow...I was so blessed and yet...they all hated
me...had contempt for me and my struggles to right a wrong.....only the
enrolled have the legal status.It was for Treaty...I never recieved a penny
from the Tribes...fact...on the Lands or the Treaty.....but it is up to the
Tribes...not the BIA to establish our Family...geesh....
I want to apologize to the Mississippi Bands Chippewa Confederacy...I know it
is unladylike the way I am...but this has been hard hard business to be
in...sorrowful work...deaths of women and children who never ever hurt
anyone...just because of lands....Please don't give up on me...I know you don't
respect me either..tis ok...really...
Ponteach1....lil one...
Unknown
Kay Yaaaaaaa!!! I rate a personal from Donna. Wooo hooo I've hit the big
time. I love you're writing. You have an incredible gift. I wish I had
it, but to exchange my sanity for your form of illness would be too much.
<SNIP of a rythmic prose>
Joker & Harley at Arkham
All right, who forgot to put the "C&C" on that. I need a new keyboard,
moniter and stitches. And my dinner is sitting on the floor from the
gentleman laughing too hard and dropping the pot of beans.
Reply to vyl at pacbell dot net
Unknown
On 6-Feb-2003, Sunsite <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote:
I better clarify that I didn't write that piece. My wife sent it to me
today. As I say I can barely write a paragraph.
Ponteach1
>From: Joker & Harley at Arkham v...@pacbe11.ent
>Date: 2/6/03 7:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3E432DFB...@pacbell.ent>
>>>
>All right, who forgot to put the "C&C" on that. I need a new keyboard,
>moniter and stitches. And my dinner is sitting on the floor from the
>gentleman laughing too hard and dropping the pot of beans.
>Reply to vyl at pacbell dot net
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Plains...Horse Clan Confederacy---Lakota..Dakota..Ojibwe.
.Pauite...Cherokee..Cheyenne....Arapaho...Crow...Pawnee...Shoshone...Ute..
.Omaha...Mohawk....Seneca...Kiowa...Assiniboine...Ho Chunk...Apache...Ponca
..Tuscarora.
.Choctaw...Seminiole...Blackfeet....from East...North..South...West...Honoring
the Sacred Dogs of the Plains....Highways and Country Roads? Sturgis, South
Dakota...Freedom Riders of the Wind...Steel Spirit Horses and Metal
Horses....Steel Hogs...CONFEDERACY.... keeping the memory of the Plains Tribes
alive..."Indian" motorcycles? I have ridden Classics and new and used and with
Cops and you name it..Teaching Motorcycle safety in Classes and Trade and
Commerce. Economy strength of Nations-- "Harley's-AMERICAN-BORN.
Hell's Angel's and Gypsy Joker's and OutLaws...they were nice to me and never
involved me in bad business.They knew I was a American Indian Lady....A "Wild
Child"---.my brothers and sisters of the Ride....Freedom....in sobriety
too....gotten rightious drunk too long time ago...with the Gentleman and the
Ladies of the Road Dawgs---They ride for Teddy Bears for Children...A
Confederacy of Bikers...Christians...U.S.Military VietNam and Desert Storm and
Lawyers and Senators and COPS all jurisdictions...they are the precious
AMERICAN made...reminder of what freedom still means...riding free....Rolling
across the lands...On "Sacred Ground"....Craig Chaquico...'Against the
Wind"--Bob Seger---"On the Road Again".."Canned Heat"..."Ride the Tiger"---
Jefferson Starship-----"Highway Lady"-Foghat....You see them riding the
Highways---you know our freedoms are still with us....The Road Dawgs ride-----
Road Scholars...Mom's Dads..Grandparents..Aunties...Uncles...
watchers in a Democracy...voices of the People....
Clan Chattan Confederacy--Scotland...My Family....I know my Clan Tartan too...
..Pounds chest ..."Road Dawg" here...!!! "speak" of the Riders....Cheyenne
Nations...Rabbit Nation---Aho!!! my relations...
Ponteach1...lil one...
Sunsite
>I better clarify that I didn't write that piece. My wife sent it to me
>today.
I wondered about that later. But you had written some similar type of
prose earlier though, so the style seemed to fit.
> As I say I can barely write a paragraph.
Other issues aside, your prose is witty, observant, and engaging -
it's better than mine. You have to already know this, so don't be shy.
I just notice these detail things.
Sunsite
>Ever heard of the "Harley-Davidson" motorcyle? Hawg Horses of the
>Plains...Horse Clan Confederacy---Lakota..Dakota..Ojibwe.
>.Pauite...Cherokee..Cheyenne....Arapaho...Crow...Pawnee...Shoshone...Ute..
>.Omaha...Mohawk....Seneca...Kiowa...Assiniboine...Ho Chunk...Apache...Ponca
>..Tuscarora.
>.Choctaw...Seminiole...Blackfeet....from East...North..South...West...Honoring
>the Sacred Dogs of the Plains....Highways and Country Roads?
I checked my news reader. The lil one wrote 3,005 words in a single
day - Thursday, Feb. 6. And it's detailed poetic prose. I don't know
how you do it so fast. We used to have 4 days to write a 1,000 word
college paper.
william kensit
Sunsite wrote:
Took lessons from Hunter Thompson??
Unknown
Maybe writing is much easier when you don't have to concern yourself with
facts?
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/6/03 10:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <5tj64vcombl4hlitk...@4ax.com>
>
>I checked my news reader. The lil one wrote 3,005 words in a single
>day - Thursday, Feb. 6. And it's detailed poetic prose. I don't know
>how you do it so fast. We used to have 4 days to write a 1,000 word
>college paper.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Human being person...,
I have no clue but I was not being "a" retentive either.But if it makes you
feel happy to count words? A picture of a sentence or sometimes one word? Like
the movie "Out of Africa"and truly majestic cinemetography and vision as she
wove a story out of a word or a sentence.A world that became such beauty as he
flew the vast expanse of Savanah and Serengetti Plains and the animal Kingdom
and birds of flight showed their majesty and blessings upon the earth in
response to a world we only barely understand.All connected to one another.A
lesson that we do not own another or the world.But belong among each other in
love and harmony and Tribe.We are merely the dancers on it and the blessings
come when we accept that.
I can write a whole lot and weave a Nation history or set it back upright if
in distress very quickly.. A gift I guess.Others have seen me do it and makes
em nervous. It is a upset to their strict Religious teachings but yet of about
2,053 religious entities here in America right now in different beliefs
exist.The balance of Ceremony is upset.The lands and animals feel it and it is
chaos.I am trying to teach the reasons for the balance to be returned..I don't
know why I am here.That is the truth but faith says I am here to help.Leap of
faith.Just as the promise of the Buffalo Nation returning home was promised and
I believe it.The return of the sacred of Tribe.
I think the most profound lesson was the Hebrew Nation in Germany in the terror
they faced in extinction in absence of Synagogue and Sacred Torah and their
religious symbols they held so dear and of the sacred beginnings.A sacred spark
of beginning of life and a Nation was born.Tribe.Their greatest Holy Kantors
and respected Matrilineal women Elders murdered for their holding a sacred song
of a great faith given them as a Nation and Peoples. A violation of the sacred
to the creation of these humans of faith whose Ancient song almost was silenced
on the earth and to the Universe? In their darkest hours and sorrow and facing
death?. A voice of faith born to lead them sang out. A miracle in place.That
small flame of hope in the human spirit when faced with extinction sings to the
Universe and out their humaness and pleading for their Nations..Who can explain
these miracles in humans and their ability to transcend all suffering and stand
as a rock of a Nation and save their own and that faith sustains Nations and
Tribes and no matter what their faith? They will not be shaken or moved. Surely
the sacred is always among us and we only need believe. In our most desperate
times it will sustain the human spirit to live on and that is what the great
faiths are all stemmed from.These miracles are the foundation of the greatest
faiths in the world.Simple and I believe a gift of the Universe and the promise
of hope.Faith and charity.Compassion and pity and love.Of inherent
understanding of Tribe and need to herd.To hold fast a Nation and seek the
spark of the holy and ensure it's survival.. Wether a child or a man or a woman
whose faith was inherently to not give up even if they stood alone.As the
People cried out to Moses and Abraham and the Lord God Almighty to save them
from extinction in their darkest hours upon the lands of a truly cruel mindset
in absence of faith. They took the leap of faith and held on and did survive as
a ancient Tribe of a Nation.But of their faith for so many centuries that was
born of their homelands of Israel taken? They still found ways to hold the
ceremony of their faith and ceremony in smple ways.Words and song and
prayer.See? That leap of faith that can save a life and a Tribe and a Nation
and a world.The cry of Tribe.To not allow them to be last of their kind.
That long before their were any Religions simple faith guided us.The stars and
the Oceans and the seasons and the gathering seasons and the time for resting
and rejuvuniation and ceremony.To stand and say to the world as a tribal? "I am
that I am". I am tribe.Herding of Nations across the world. I speak a language
many do not understand and it is very frustrating. Yet the simple beauty of
American Indian sign language expresses it well.The Dance of communication and
ancient struggle to communicate.How love expresses itself through touch and
healing and faith and restoring of the balance of the sacred.We have need right
now of all who have this gift and not to compete but be of good and human
loving heart to sing out to the world well and healthy and back to balance but
only those who know they are gifted with it.
It is not a competition or a contest of power.But a simple willingness to be
willing to surrender the gift freely and stand in the sacred and no need to
have anything guiding us but simple faith and love in compassion and pity and a
desire to heal.You must not or cannot sell it.It is a symphony of healers the
world over working together and they are in the world all over loving us back
to healing and healthy balance.It just does seem that way.
The worst damage is the putting of metal unnatural telescopes on Sacred Places
most revered Mts.and interfering with the Star journey who walk the Holy Road
of Nations on the promise we said we would return to help when the time came
when needed.I am sorry if that sounds creepy or scary.I don't mean it to.It is
again based on simple faith we must hold on and hold faith in a world set right
again.The ones who are in charge are scaring us with more wars on Tribes.We
must seek reason and good will in Nations of the world.We have everything to
gain and all to lose if they act in aggression and continue to unbalance the
very core of humanity.Tribe.
I have been gifted to the return of the old ways of the People and our simple
living in natural state of the presence of the sacred.Holistically and in the
sacred circle of life. I think in the Disney"The Lion King"?The song?"Circle of
Life" explains it perfectly.When the animals and the lands are in harmony?The
sacred is in full complement to nourish human beings and their continuence.The
world is in balance and hamony.It is a majesty of the world we forget.I use
music and song and dance and the symbiotic world of holistic living of the
animal Kingdom. The human stepping into it to restore the message of a healthy
Environment and care for air and water and earth nourishing it and the sacred
lives in that world in harmony.
As the Lion King of pride leads in Ceremony while the female rests and knows
her place is in balance to create life and gift it to the world? The world of
the his domain and Kingdom as he holds up the baby cub new to Tribe in the
celebration of community?He shows the Universe honoring and the sacred that
nourishes us all.When the Holy One says?"Behold, the only gift grerater than
thyself, new life"..A renewal of the message of hope and living on as Tribes.In
symbolic and symbiotic harmony in what was intended in the original plan for
Universal balance.Life.In a Circle.Hoops.
Hope that makes a bit of sense.Plus I am kind of a wild child too.But I firmly
believe freedom must have boundreis and Laws to guide us.Not a mass of
different ones no one can possibley live in harmony in.
So they attack me and insult and hurt my feelings and make me feel lonely and
not worthy of any love or hope. Relegate me to insulting hurtful words of the
damaged mentally ill they so fear.It also shows their poor cultural and
spiritual lives berefit of simple faith in anything and emotional wasteland
upbringing and insensitive and cruel natures.Sad huh? Hate backed by fear of
what they cannot understand or accept in a leap of faith.
I can go in to a bad situation and see it all in vision and get down to work
and see every person and not use anything but words.I dance Treaty and Law and
Culture and retain the best assist and it comes together in some Ceremony I am
not always aware of where it came from.
I guess the Sky Cheifs of Cheifs are dancing in sync with me huh? Smile.I call
them the "The Three Wise Ass Men". but I am not a man.Ok? I just accept it as a
Ancient Ones knowledge to help humanity to help themselves.I have no clue what
my IQ and intellect is now.I was not that smart before though. Common sense is
a strong guidance. Being a woman helps enormously.We handle stress better.
Children seem to have much more intuitive sense of trust and don't seem to fear
me but I don't get too close for fear they might be upset.I respect parents
rights to not accept.I am intensly sensitive to pain and emotional chaos
too.Physical and spiritual hurting.I do feel a strong belief we need religions
to guide us as Family and Community as long as they don't violate the sacred of
the Natural Laws of order and mess around in things that cause balance to
shift. Been too much of that.In our culturals is the memory and stories and
belief in it.Our ancient memory and connections to the Universe.
I hate being exploited.Battered.
Oh? No such thing as a Shaman in Training by Seminars or purchase or training
tapes for big money..Or book learned.It is a passed on through a sacred spark
and they are born to it. Organized Religions murdered them almost to
extinction. Expoliting for money New Agers are messing in sacred things and
they are creating serious chaos and Satanist too.But the Religions who use it
to scare children into behaving are scaring them for life.Leave it be and find
some good walks Jesus and their Holy People made and leave the darkness alone.I
also in my opinion find the tortured symbol of Jesus on the cross to be a sad
and tragic unholy symbol of a need to continue to martryr and torture the
sacred in some strange belief it assures it's continuence. That to me is
darkness on the simple faith and the Holy Ones to be good enough to understand
the Holy.I think right now it is also my trying to get away from that mindset
and restore my balance in harmony I used to have so naturally.I think it makes
for sick minds trained to hurt others is somehow holy.It is not. It is sad.I am
in healing walk too.Make sense? Others damaged me by violent unnatural means
and expect me to take the blame.I refuse.I was taught many many years ago?Good
mental health comes inside the strength of our belief we can heal ourselves if
only we give it time.Patience.Again faith.
Many Organized Religions have a dark occult sides for centuries hidden and yet
calling up demons they profess to hate and fear.They are causing their own
greif and upset of the very faiths they profess to hold dear. Faith and simple
return to it and not using a Book to abuse human beings is the key and blood
cermony they deny is dark is wrong and abuse and torture practices hurtful to
the human spirit and humanity.They are also upsetting the sacred by allowing it
to be among us.It will shock the Churches I have great hope for them if they
put down the dark arts and power tripping and self serving and jealous
covetness of ill gotten wealth by destroying civilizations of the simple tribal
beliefs and not rigid Religion and reclaim their simple faiths? They will
restore the simple faith of their followers through their own honoring of the
sacred.The truth lies in us all I believe. It is all around us. .Money has
corrupted the sacred and powerful Corporations are dehumanizing us all.I think
the Industrial Age was a catastrophe for our civilization.Humanity. Our earth
and sky and waters and animals sense the danger to their own survival.The
exploitation of our children and mindless violence on tv is tearing up our most
prescious gift of our children to lose consceince.A future and yet crushing
their dreams so natural to children to have.They only live for the now and not
the past or the future.That is the way of children.Happiest being loved and
loving and joyously having fun and playing and exploring.They are happiest in
the now and it is daily stress of this warring in the world and everyday on tv
and the Internet causing them more stress than any are really seeing.We are as
adults making them face moment by moment by the money driven Media that their
dreams are on the edge of being broken and crushed to kill tribe and
family.What lessons in School to fix this?.Maybe they should have a simple
faith's Religions classes in Schools as a option of choice to not seperate
their faith from the sciences and math and sports of learning.Make any sense?
The Chippewa call it "Pugona-geshig"-"Opening in the Day".So I guess Mr.Steven
Hawking's breif moment in universal time explains it but he has not touched
the sacred of it.I have no formal high University training so maybe that is
why.It has been taught out of him to not accept.Someone and their dogma created
a reistence to ignore the miracle of the Universe and the Great Mystery of it
all.The Sacred spark.It is rare I can share it to help others understand it so
it is a good time to do so as I am feeling ok with how it works.
I am not a Alien or a Church tool to exploite.They always demonize what they
cannot understand or accept on blind faith.Organized Religion conveniently
ignores the sacred before their appearance of the Religions.I think it is about
intervention in the chaos of so many different Ceremony of negative and
positive.I would love to talk to Quantum Physics Professor Mr.Steven Hawking.He
understand things I cannot.He does not believe in God or even Goddesses nor has
explantion for what we call the Great Mystery of the Cosmos.( "One Brief Moment
in Time "-Doc on his life video).His star journey is in his head too.
The movie, "The Beautiful Mind" explains some of it but they are exploiting me
and they lie and make me feel like a weirdo or a "it". I am not
either.Indiginous Tribal people understand but western medicine and Drs not
spiritually connected to our cultures are so intimidated and jealous they have
to drug us and imprison what they don't accept.Or understand. What they fear
and the Churches dogma won't cover?They feel a need to torment and destroy.Sad
huh?
It makes Scienitist squirm cause they mostly ignore the sacred connections in
the Universe.In the absence of acknowledgement you hav e acold technology and
machines. The human will not make it through that stress..The star journrey of
the Ancients was promised long ago to return.Am I one of them?I don't know but
I know instinctively my job is to not give up on any of you.Something profound
has happened though.A miracle.
But for centuries everyone been trying to figure out why the Great Pyramids
were built?I watched a Documentary?In 15 seconds I knew what they where built
for.The are huge communications Pipes and Universe ceremonial structures. Why
did I know it? Miracles I guess.But Archeologist are violating sacred ceremony
breaking into them all over the world into dsacred burial places and disturbing
ancient old ceremony and is I feel a threat to humankind.We did not build them
and even that new Pyramid in Las Vegas disturbs me greatly.I consider it a
insult to the ancinet symbol sign of the Holy Road of Ancients.Whoever built
it?Has no faith but a arrogant religion or a Atheist.A violation of the sacred
and a attempt to control that which was set long ago in great Universal memory
of the ancient ones.My opinion.Seemed the day to share what is going on and how
many relegate it to a word to make me a mental cripple to make them feel
superior.Drug it or hurt it and make me suffer for daring to see a light of
hope.They show their lack of the respect of the miracles occuring.Absence of
simple faith. It just does not seem to help explaining the severe trauma I went
through and I was not in charge.Hate and the ugly side of humans was.People
posing as human beings. Organized Religions jealous and hateful because they
hide what they know they have themselves done to the simple world of faith for
wealth and exploitation.Lust and abuse of the sacred.Abuse of the sacred of
life.Creation.
Ponteach1....
Unknown
On 7-Feb-2003, pont...@aol.com (Ponteach1) wrote:
<SNIP>
> So they attack me and insult and hurt my feelings and make me feel lonely
> and
> not worthy of any love or hope.
I'm sorry Donna. It was thoughtless of me to hurt your feeling. I do enjoy
your writing and hope you stick around.
>Relegate me to insulting hurtful words of
> the
> damaged mentally ill they so fear.It also shows their poor cultural and
> spiritual lives berefit of simple faith in anything and emotional
> wasteland
> upbringing and insensitive and cruel natures.Sad huh? Hate backed by fear
> of
> what they cannot understand or accept in a leap of faith.
<SNIP>
I don't have a cruel nature, and I apologize for cracking a joke about
mental illness. It's not a funny topic. If you'd like to keep taking jabs
at me go ahead I deserve it.
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/7/03 8:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id:
>Maybe writing is much easier when you don't have to concern yourself with
>facts?
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jackass, oh yeah!! Let us add anal retentive and a wannabe scientist devoid of
anything but critique all minute spelling errors and form and content and still
whine about lack of perfection....Gawd....I bet you have fits if you cannot
always fastidiously color within the lines of the coloring book and all the
time and never ate a crayon either ...children kick you out of playtime for
whining and not playing nice? Looks like you need a kindergarten cop?I ain't
it....tie your own shoes and keep walking....
Hit the road going the other way Jack...been there and done
that..boring......stress factor of control freak
alert....danger...danger.....shows a propensiity his poor long suffering
iritated wife is sick of his need to dominate so he goes hunting for a new
hapless victim...cheater...diddle cheater....cause she has had about enough of
his dumb dawg .ways...boy are you on the wrong road...bucko....she is sick of
him and ain't going to pander to his needy lil ego....I am not willing to
play...go away......I don't want another woman's reject and best efforts gone
astray....no thanks...
Now how is that for the Chippewa style of insult ?What Nation you claim to be?
Not that I will believe you...jus curious...Nevermind...you iritate me and I
deliberately ignored you for a reason..I don't like your
buddies....grrrrrrrrrrr
Ponteach1...
Wolvbtch
you are all better than this...
and you are all very wrong about about jim...
some people forget, some people forgive..
me? i do neither...
http://hometown.aol.com/wolvbtch/index.html
Free Leonard Peltier
MIB529
(South Pacific). Because it was so unreal. Survivor is more an
escapist fantasy. But so is most so-called "reality" TV.
"Jack Strong" <> wrote in message news:<3e42c...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
Lane Baldwin
"Wolvbtch" <wolv...@aol.comnope> wrote in message
news:20030207124530...@mb-cu.aol.com...
: i think this whole thread is beneath all of you...
: you are all better than this...
: and you are all very wrong about about jim...
My thoughts exactly. So come, sit by the fire. I have coffee...and
tobacco...
with respect,
Lane
:
:
:
: some people forget, some people forgive..
:
Wolvbtch
and i laughed as hard this time, as i did the last!!!
>From: man_in_black529
>
>LOL! Actually, I know a Maori woman who hated the original Survivor
>(South Pacific). Because it was so unreal. Survivor is more an
>escapist fantasy. But so is most so-called "reality" TV.
JRWolf
JRWolf
"Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote in message
news:v47sqve...@corp.supernews.com...
Sunsite
>i had seen jack's "rez survivo"r before...
>and i laughed as hard this time, as i did the last!!!
It was really humorous at one level, but again speaking from off in
the distance, I had to think a little more about whatever basis in
fact it has too. It's one of those things that's very funny and
not-so-funny all at the same time.
Sunsite
>i think this whole thread is beneath all of you...
>you are all better than this...
>and you are all very wrong about about jim...
One thing never explained was his post to me after making a benign
followup in the now dead "Lakota Actor" thread:
"The ancestors used to say ' the white man, he just doesn't know how
to act'.
Translation! Doesn't comprehend ndn etiquette.
Enough said.
JBT"
.................
What's poor here is that I could credibly rewrite it as:
"The ancestors used to say 'the non-white man, he just doesn't know
how to act'.
Translation! Doesn't comprehend white etiquette.
Enough said.
BroJack"
I know that Primitive Jim is deeply serious about his spirituality,
but this is a glitch. Maybe he would prefer this public square be free
of pesky non-Indian infidels.
--
(another) Jim
Sunsite
<ken...@islandnet.com> wrote:
> Took lessons from Hunter Thompson??
You know, I never read anything by the legendary Hunter Thompson, so I
can't make that connection.
--
Jim
Sunsite
>Maybe writing is much easier when you don't have to concern yourself with
>facts?
Maybe so, but if I read this prose out loud in a stage projection way,
it becomes a performance.
--
Jim
Lane Baldwin
"JRWolf" <JRW...@barefoot-NOSPAM-creations.com> wrote in message
news:ffU0a.7$W8...@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
: I also concur...although I don't drink coffee or use tobacco...
:
: JRWolf
:
Well, tea, then. Actually, I quit smoking cigarettes, but still use tobacco
for ceremony. I also gift tobacco when appropriate, so as to honor the
traditions.
wr,
Lane
Lane Baldwin
"Sunsite" <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote in message
news:h1884voa0lut1i8a4...@4ax.com...
:
: I know that Primitive Jim is deeply serious about his spirituality,
: but this is a glitch. Maybe he would prefer this public square be free
: of pesky non-Indian infidels.
I will not even attempt to speak for Bright Thunder, but I have come to
understand his deep desire to preserve the pre-contact spirituality that so
many have lost. I am truly honored to call him friend.
Lane
Lane Baldwin
: On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:44:46 -0800, william kensit
Lots of stream of consciousness stuff in his writing...
Lane
: --
: Jim
Wolvbtch
be right there...lol....
>From: "Lane Baldwin"
> So come, sit by the fire. I have coffee...and
>tobacco...
Lridge164
Unknown
On 7-Feb-2003, wolv...@aol.comnope (Wolvbtch) wrote:
> i think this whole thread is beneath all of you...
> you are all better than this...
> and you are all very wrong about about jim...
I don't have anything better to do than this. When someone implies that I'm
not Apache, I'm gonna come out swinging. That's the way it is Wolvbtch, and
I think deep down you probably understand why I feel that way. When the
urban Indians start telling those of us that live on the reservations how we
should live, I want to be sure that they know how we live. I want to be
sure that they know what it's like growing up and living where I come from.
When they get all arrogant and authoritarian with us, I want be up front
telling them where they can stick their bullshit.
>
>
>
> some people forget, some people forgive..
> me? i do neither...
> http://hometown.aol.com/wolvbtch/index.html
> Free Leonard Peltier
Unknown
Lane, I have no problem trying to revive old ways. We have many people back
home trying to revive old ways, and I myself am trying to learn as much as I
can about my people and our ways. We have people at universities studying
linguistics, trying to develop techniques so that our children can regain
what has been lost. Our people that engage in these pursuits and share what
they learn never look down there noses at us. They never accuse us of not
being what we are, Apaches. There's more to being a member of a tribe than
knowing the spirituality of your people. Our beautiful language is being
lost last I heard less than 20% of elementary age children are at grade
level in Apache language skills. Does that mean the other 80% of our
children aren't real Apaches? I don't think so. Should elitist urban
indians that have no knowledge of our history criticize us for losing this
aspect of ourselves? I would hope not, because they don't know what it's
like in our communities. They only have a set of stereotypes to hold onto.
They only have oil paintings of what we should look like in their minds. I
think they'd be deeply disappointed if they came to our communies and found
our kids playing Nintendo, Basketball, and collecting Pokeman cards.
Mr. Bright Thunder several times now has called me an apple, has said I
don't know my people. I would think of anyone here I know MY people, I grew
up with MY people, I live with MY people, and when I complete school I will
return home to MY people. Whenever I get a chance I go home to be with MY
people. Now I don't know who your people are, but I am sure that if someone
who is totally unknown to you came and said you're not a member of YOUR
people you'd be a little pissed. Keep in mind this individual has no
knowledge of your people, has no clue about what day to day life is like
with your people. You see what I'm getting at? That is why I took issue
with Mr. BrightThunder and as long as he'd like to continue his underhanded
egotistical arrogant behavior up I'll continue to play upon his ignorance.
I ain't a perfect Apache, if such a thing exists, but I'm a member of my
community and I'm certainly not going to let some ignorant internet indian
tell me I'm not a part of what I know I am.
>
> Lane
Unknown
On 7-Feb-2003, wolv...@aol.comnope (Wolvbtch) wrote:
> i had seen jack's "rez survivo"r before...
> and i laughed as hard this time, as i did the last!!!
It's funny my wife and I have talked about rez survivor for awhile. Then
along comes this little joke I fowarded to the group. We also have kicked
aroun the idea of Rez Cops. You ever watch Cops on t.v.? They follow a
couple of cops around for a few days. It's usually filmed in Dallas Ft.
Worth area I guess they have a lot of entertaining crime there. Lots of
foot chases and all. Back home the cops don't chase you when you do
something stupid, they just come to your house the next day and pick you up.
I remember when I was a kid the police would break up parties, and we'd all
run of course cause we knew they wouldn't chase you. Problem was they'd
always identify my Dad's pickup and call him to come and get it. Then he'd
drive all over WhiteRiver looking for me, sometimes he'd find me other times
he'd wait up, all of the times he was really angry.
>
> >From: man_in_black529
>
> >
> >LOL! Actually, I know a Maori woman who hated the original Survivor
> >(South Pacific). Because it was so unreal. Survivor is more an
> >escapist fantasy. But so is most so-called "reality" TV.
>
>
>
>
> some people forget, some people forgive..
> me? i do neither...
> http://hometown.aol.com/wolvbtch/index.html
> Free Leonard Peltier
Lane Baldwin
<Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e44594b$1...@corp.newsgroups.com...
:
:
: Lane, I have no problem trying to revive old ways. We have many people
There are some good points in your post, Jack, and I congratulate you for
doing what you can to help your people. It's unfortunate, however, that you
felt the need to make some of the accusations that you did. Standing outside
your contentions with Bright Thunder, I can see that you don't know him as
well as you think you do. Having known him for some time, I know that he
isn't what you think of him. I know that he has done much to help the
Nations. Because it is his life, I will leave it to him to tell it or not in
this forum. What he has shared with me will remain between the two of us. I
do know, though, that he has more than oil paintings to tell him who he is
and where he comes from.
It seems apparent that you are not going to be able to set aside your anger.
Sad, though...as I think you are missing a chance for finding a good friend.
Lane
Unknown
Homework assignment for you this week is to read Fear and Loathing in Las
Vegas. It's an excellent read. You should also read On the Road by Jack
Kerouac if you want to get to the source of the stream of consciousness
writing.
> --
> Jim
Unknown
On 7-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
I can only know him through his words. In his words he has called me a
poacher, an apple, and implied that I am not indian. So why should I
appreciate him as an individual, when all I see from him is arrogance, hate,
and in general I'm better and more indian than you attitude? All awhile he
doesn't live with his people, in fact he lives 1000's of miles from them,
and he doesn't even know how popular basketball is on the rez. He's
embarrassed to identify his tribal affiliation, but he has no problem saying
I'm not a part of my tribe. I am rightfully pissed and intend to remain
that way.
> I know that he has done much to help the
> Nations. Because it is his life, I will leave it to him to tell it or not
> in
> this forum. What he has shared with me will remain between the two of us.
> I
> do know, though, that he has more than oil paintings to tell him who he is
> and where he comes from.
>
> It seems apparent that you are not going to be able to set aside your
> anger.
> Sad, though...as I think you are missing a chance for finding a good
> friend.
Anyone that starts dictating to me the way my people should be, and calling
me an apple will get what they have coming to them. Those are fighting
words my friend, and you know that. How would you react if someone that has
no clue about your world started telling you how your world is? Then when
you say "my world is different than that" he calls you an apple says your
not a part of your people, when you know full well your people live that
way. I think you'd be a little pissed to say the least.
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>Lots of stream of consciousness stuff in his writing...
That's right. I forgot about this term. Haven't seen it in years. But
that's what applies here.
--
Jim
Sunsite
[snip]
> Organized Religions jealous and hateful because they
>>hide what they know they have themselves done to the simple world of faith
>>for
>>wealth and exploitation.Lust and abuse of the sacred.Abuse of the sacred of
>>life.Creation.
>>
>>Ponteach1....
>>
>
>
>imo, a good post
It is good. I can write, but I can't write like that.
--
Jim
David Wiersema
Regards,
David Wiersema
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>I will not even attempt to speak for Bright Thunder, but I have come to
>understand his deep desire to preserve the pre-contact spirituality that so
>many have lost. I am truly honored to call him friend.
Oh I see, that's where the "Primitive Jim" may come from.
I would never speak for him nor pass along the content, but we did
exchange some email. He is a fascinating person in that one of his
strong interests is world folk music. He has huge collection of it.
Since I have the Internet's two best sites for that in RealAudio -
shameless plug - he took an interest. These are Boleadora for the
Andes and nearby regions (bilingual Spanish and English)
http://boleadora.com and Richka for Russia and former Soviet Republics
http://richka.com. Boleadora has some Indian influenced music of the
Andean Cordillera. Both sites are engineered to work on worldwide
dialup connections while still sounding good. I am their creator,
webmaster and webhost (Firetrick.Net). Ummm...let me see...here are 3
Indian examples (Bolivia):
http://boleadora.com/llamera1.ram (Altiplano dance)
http://boleadora.com/miraza.ram
http://boleadora.com/mamaindia.ram (sung in Aymara)
Oops, sorry to go off topic.... As for Primitive Jim, he does have a
real Indian background, but I can't speak for him.
But now I see better. We touched on the spirituality thing, and he is
profoundly involved with that. Where things went wrong though is that
I have my own "made up" spirituality created after I holed up and
read hundreds of books spanning Western and Eastern thought of all
types (except I missed Native American). So I created my
do-it-yourself spiritual system of which I am the only "practitioner".
It has no name. The key tenet is that a "true" spirituality would be
absolutely context independent - works anywhere, anytime, and
everywhere. And I mean everywhere - even distant unknown planets would
have the same spirituality.The most interesting problem to solve is
how to approach getting in touch with such a spirituality. It is
nothing more than a fun hobby.
But I will argue my view in detail since it helps make it better. When
we pushed that button, things broke down because my view opposes his
in many ways and somehow contradicts old teachings. With that
impossible divide, communications stopped cold. I surmised that in his
view it is improper to have the elders disrepected in this way. Again,
I'm speaking for him and could possibly be very wrong. His vision of
'we' has some boundaries, and my 'we' would ideally be infinite.
Whew! So there you have it in a nutshell. The man seems to have gone
away, and I may be in error although these are my best conclusions.
What I'm mainly bummed about is that JBT's huge music collection has
things in it that I don't have and might like to have, especially for
my websites. Since I'm a sysadmin, we also talked about MP3s (try
http://www.dbpoweramp.com for great free software). But I guess that
will go nowhere.
--
Jim
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>It seems apparent that you are not going to be able to set aside your anger.
>Sad, though...as I think you are missing a chance for finding a good friend.
One problem though is that JBT seems to fold up whenever a controversy
gets started. If something gets going, it'd be better if he hung
around to explain himself. If he himself in some way starts the
controversy, then he should certainly stick around instead of just
going away. Again, I'm speaking from off in the distance, so I could
be all wet - my disclaimer.
--
Jim
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/7/03 4:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030207194138...@mb-fs.aol.com>
>
>
>imo, a good post
lridge, I thank you most kindly for that.I must say when I read it?I was amazed
at how it even touched my most cherished beliefs and maybe just once in all the
writing I have ever done? These two notes say it all.The personal understanding
of faith and hope and humanity.The Great Mystery of the Universe.It is here
among us. I feel the power and the sacred blessing on us all.
The creation speak of the spark of Universe and humanity.I entered it and felt
the sensation of creation and it was a burp and a champagne giggle and joy Yet
no real sound in the Universe.But you sense a symphony of the Great Mystery
.Strange huh? It was the touch of the first spark of the creation symbolism of
the painting in the Sistine Chapel of the Vatican and power of the Lord God
Almighty, Although I believe it much more ancient in the Heavens in actual
happenening?. That actual breif moment in time.But as Adam reached out and to
touch in the fingertip of humanity you or I can see and feel and sense the
actual spark of life of humanity to create and experienced it and feel it.We
are truly a blessed peoples to have such majesty and gloriousness in the very
Universe.I sense it was just the three spark of consciencesness I was to
feel.More presence of Gods and Goddesses?I don't know and will not say so.The
Holy Road I do believe is before us all. We must choose our destiny to walk in
dignity and the sacred and simple faith? Or continue to war and destroy the
sacred.We must look to the Tribes of the world to see if all the Holy People do
not sense it also.I believe it is with all that I am.The sacred lives within
all that we are.Faith.The living Stones of Law and the Rocks of the Churches
and of Nations will not fall if we pray in respectful symphony to the Universe
to not make us the last of our kind.Human beings. Family.Tribe.World.Hope.
Our simple dignified ceremony to all 4 directions.We must share this simple
ceremony and the Tribal Elders will decide if it is proper.We have everything
to gain and all to lose if we cannot see the wisdom of it. The Cheifs of Cheifs
of the Nations must herd to Council with the Holy People and decide.Because of
our ability to stand in the physical and the spiritual world. Nothing makes any
more spiritual sense.It feels right and sacred.Human. Hope.Faith.
Why? I have no idea. A miracle I believe.. Perhaps the Blessing Way is
here...Beauty in us all...Heaven wanting us to live on...Sky Cheifs guiding
us...star dreaming.....the Great Mystery ...is joyously alive...humanity
journey...
Ponteach1....
Lane Baldwin
: On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:06:29 -0500, "Lane Baldwin"
: <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
:
: >I will not even attempt to speak for Bright Thunder, but I have come to
: >understand his deep desire to preserve the pre-contact spirituality that
so
: >many have lost. I am truly honored to call him friend.
:
: Oh I see, that's where the "Primitive Jim" may come from.
:
: I would never speak for him nor pass along the content, but we did
: exchange some email. He is a fascinating person in that one of his
: strong interests is world folk music. He has huge collection of it.
: Since I have the Internet's two best sites for that in RealAudio -
: shameless plug - he took an interest. These are Boleadora for the
: Andes and nearby regions (bilingual Spanish and English)
: http://boleadora.com and Richka for Russia and former Soviet Republics
: http://richka.com. Boleadora has some Indian influenced music of the
: Andean Cordillera. Both sites are engineered to work on worldwide
: dialup connections while still sounding good. I am their creator,
: webmaster and webhost (Firetrick.Net). Ummm...let me see...here are 3
: Indian examples (Bolivia):
: http://boleadora.com/llamera1.ram (Altiplano dance)
: http://boleadora.com/miraza.ram
: http://boleadora.com/mamaindia.ram (sung in Aymara)
:
: Oops, sorry to go off topic.... As for Primitive Jim, he does have a
: real Indian background, but I can't speak for him.
I think it's great that you're preserving the music. Do you have a fee for
yor service and do the artrists receive royalties? I ask because of my own
musical career. Whateveryour answer is OK...even if we disagree. It is not
my place to tell you how to live...just curious.
:
: But now I see better. We touched on the spirituality thing, and he is
: profoundly involved with that. Where things went wrong though is that
: I have my own "made up" spirituality created after I holed up and
: read hundreds of books spanning Western and Eastern thought of all
: types (except I missed Native American). So I created my
: do-it-yourself spiritual system of which I am the only "practitioner".
: It has no name. The key tenet is that a "true" spirituality would be
: absolutely context independent - works anywhere, anytime, and
: everywhere. And I mean everywhere - even distant unknown planets would
: have the same spirituality.The most interesting problem to solve is
: how to approach getting in touch with such a spirituality. It is
: nothing more than a fun hobby.
:
: But I will argue my view in detail since it helps make it better. When
: we pushed that button, things broke down because my view opposes his
: in many ways and somehow contradicts old teachings. With that
: impossible divide, communications stopped cold. I surmised that in his
: view it is improper to have the elders disrepected in this way. Again,
: I'm speaking for him and could possibly be very wrong. His vision of
: 'we' has some boundaries, and my 'we' would ideally be infinite.
I see why there was a problem. Personally, I don't see things the way you
do, but would not interfere with your attempt to relate to the Mystery in
your own way...as long as you are not disrespecting the traditions and
knowledge of others. (Putting your lodge through feng shui before
sweating...that would be disresepcting *both* teachings.) But I can easily
undersatnd why Bright Thunder discontinued discussions on those matters.
: Whew! So there you have it in a nutshell. The man seems to have gone
: away, and I may be in error although these are my best conclusions.
: What I'm mainly bummed about is that JBT's huge music collection has
: things in it that I don't have and might like to have, especially for
: my websites. Since I'm a sysadmin, we also talked about MP3s (try
: http://www.dbpoweramp.com for great free software). But I guess that
: will go nowhere.
: --
: Jim
I'm hopeful that he will eventually return...the group is much the less
without him.
wr,
Lane
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/7/03 5:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3e446066$1...@corp.newsgroups.com>
the other? What does he write about? No clue. What is it you are referring to
as a stream of consciencesness?Huh?
A flowing river of a woman's psyche and spiritual world rolling across the
lands ?
I was profoundly affected by John Steinbeck and "Grapes of Wrath" about the OK
migration to CA. The Mother Joad teaches the now rootless and praying to
reclaim a home and a second chance as generational Family as they are traveling
across America.She is asked a question and speaks a song of women of the River
of life she is of the woman born and then to her man and how she is bound to
him in life and marriage and birth and events and death. Father Joad listens
while she speaks and does not say anything because he knows she speaks of
knowing their common purpose and bonds of marriage. She tells of the way her
man lives it in his view and process and what matters to him and his spiritual
life bound into hers .Those generations deferred always to the woman to lead
them in the spiritual life they lead.There was no mixture of different
religions to confuse.I think now? After a lifetime of experience and
observation of Family? .That seems to have been the right living of keeping the
faith intact. No reteaching or forcing another to change their faith of
childhood.It was just accepted. In how they live and feel and see their
lives.The accepted creator nurturing being woman role and knowing her life is
bound in that world of life and her man and their babies and family and living
and the cycles of life and death..She just keeps going on.Living in harmony in
cycles with him. No thought to change it.Because they belong to one another .
She loses him? She loses a part of herself she may never reclaim or chose to
and as life goes on.? She stops and greives at her own loss of love and loss of
companion and partner. She the wife to husband and he husband to wife. Two
joined to form a bond of strength and a tree of family.Life was understood and
in balance..Strength drawn from that union of two.No one had the power to break
it.As was intended. No one dared.For to do it was to break the bond of sacred
of Family.Their family.Everything that they were born to and for.The great
purpose of their lives.Honoring of Community.A joining of the sacred.Blessings
on them.Bound up together to care and nurture well and healthy and help and
watch over one another whenever each fell or stumbled.Personal love and
understood and exploring one another in their own ways.Little things and big
things to honor that binding up of two human beings.Love.
She woke up and knows greiving is over..Then the woman stands up and is ready
to resume living. She adjusts her river to maybe slow down and then on she goes
rolling across the lands and living as still nurturing for others and her
Community.She has to carry on without him.But it changes her.A woman's lighter
step has changed to a heavier step. I believe because they carried the love and
any burden together.The children don't usually see her change of step and hard
work to carry on without him.The new and building marriage and living bed is
empty.Their lives were starting and children born and now she feels that loss
accutely.It will be accepted eventually but only when it is time.Most wise
women know don't push it.Many times she cannot bear that bed and the loss of
him next to her.His breathing gave her life and meaning.Purpose and
substance.Joy. Passion. Dreams.living right.She may lose her temper over it
too.Get rid of it.Cuss him.
I remember my special GrandMother saying she never ever desired to marry again
as she had been so fortunate to know the love of a good man and that was enough
when he died and the next phase of her life was set.She was in her way then
devoted to the next generations and passing on her faith and caring. She knows
she must continue on for family and their push into the world when it time to
take her place..New generations of hope and strength and family.Community.She
inherently understands it and knows her very deep commitement to it. Her River
of life is set to meander across the lands.Coursing across the lands to stand
next to or behind or in front of family.Her inherent spiritual and common sense
and getting on with life in her own place of nurturing she understands.She
leads when called upon.Then another change and the next nurtering woman takes
her place of strength and she is then a Elder.She can rest and enjoy that
skipped generation of her real importance. Grandchildren.Maybe her most
important part of her lasting legacy to her family.Her Community.The importance
in their lives of her last part cycle of her river rollling of the journey.She
will shape their lives like no other. The Grandmother has taken the course of
the river to her most profound spiritual love.Strength of future.
Generations.Circle.Her finest work.End of the river and she is ready.He is
waiting.
Mr.John Steinbeck-"Grapes of Wrath"----Probably the most beautiful writing
about the spiritual lives of the man and the woman..Family I have ever read.I
hope you like my translation.I can see where my own perception has a certain
patina on it on it after so many many years ago of seeing it.Gosh.I must be
evolving huh? My River rolling on...alone and seeing my purpose...faith moving
me on....River rolling.....across the lands...alone...
Ponteach1....lil one..
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/7/03 1:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <5p984v80bchms9oer...@4ax.com>
embracing all you love and the world you live in.The whole natural easy song
becomes bound up in Tribe and Family and Nation. Clan. Animals. Birds.Fish.
Rivers. Oceans.
Mountains. Forests.Trees of life.Wisdom. Their whole history. Their present and
future they dream of.She wants to ensure for them. She weaves the dream web of
our world and how we are connected as Family.She knows it by heart before she
ever speaks.
Her Nation lives in her It is just there.A special gift of holding the whole
Nation and their lives in her song.Her greatest love and hope.No one speaks or
interrupts when she stands.It is a old and important ceremony of Tribe.Maybe
the Great Crane or Loon Royals speak once only in thier life? But it binds up
the Nations to history.It has to be sung out or the Nation may be forgotten.It
is the "I am that I am" It is the collective of it..Turtle Clan are the
newspapers and gossips who are in attendance.Protocol of the Gathering of Tribe
and Nations.Crane leads the announcement of Nation.Singing it awake to all.They
are the Echomakers whose song of Tribe go around the world. That is ancient
Tribe song. Loon is the many voices in a democracy.That all are participating
in it.Each Clan has a purpose in the Gathering and Convocations.of Tribe.
You don't practice.It is a natural song from a human Pipe Ceremony Song of
Human being and Band and Tribe and Nation.Past and present and dreaming of the
future for her Nation.Honoring as she goes along of men and women and
children.Singing their honoring out for all to know she respects them and loves
and honors their living.No matter if she chastises she still shows her love and
faith in them.Hope for them.Eagle honoring of Warriors. Leaders. Elders. Young
ones and new life ready to enter Tribe.She honors all.Sings the lands and their
binding to it. Addressing their struggles and fears and joys and dreams.Healing
and passion and loving them on in song to give them hope.To continue to be
Tribe and Nation. Because she believes in the Nation of Tribe she is bound
to.She is the GrandMother of land singing and the River of life to them.She
stands in spirit and heart and mind and body and spirit connected.It is the
Opus Symphony of her whole world and Nation.
Her life contribution to her responsibility. Born to it and preparing for it
her whole life.She may have been born with it there to begin with.She binds up
Family and Cheifs and Elders and men and women and children.The Holy People and
Warriors and Villages and Community and Tribe and Nation and Confederacy in her
Song to and of Nations.It cannot be copied or repeated.The song is the whole of
her life.She holds the heart and spirit of her Nation in her music and gifts it
to the world. ......It just is the whole of the expression of their
existence....to express their desire to live on...as Tribe...human
beings.....her song will ensure they know they are a Nation who has
lived...Hope..
Ponteach1...lil one...
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/7/03 8:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3e43e...@corp.newsgroups.com>
>
>
>On 7-Feb-2003, pont...@aol.com (Ponteach1) wrote:
><SNIP>
>> So they attack me and insult and hurt my feelings and make me feel lonely
>> and
>> not worthy of any love or hope.
>
>your writing and hope you stick around.
>
>>Relegate me to insulting hurtful words of
>> the
>> damaged mentally ill they so fear.It also shows their poor cultural and
>> spiritual lives berefit of simple faith in anything and emotional
>> wasteland
>> upbringing and insensitive and cruel natures.Sad huh? Hate backed by fear
>> of
>> what they cannot understand or accept in a leap of faith.
>
>I don't have a cruel nature, and I apologize for cracking a joke about
>mental illness. It's not a funny topic. If you'd like to keep taking jabs
>at me go ahead I deserve it.
>
Jack, thank you for giving me back my bruised dignity...I will never be the
normal person others desire me to be.. you see.? I hurt being picked on about
it...
I will stop fussing at you and I apologize too.I was very rude and onery to
you.I am sorry.
Ponteach1... ...
Lane Baldwin
"Ponteach1" <pont...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030208040324...@mb-mb.aol.com...
: >Subject: Re: For Emperor Jim
: >From: ">"Jack Strong" <>
: >Date: 2/7/03 5:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
: >Message-id: <3e446066$1...@corp.newsgroups.com>
: >
: >
: >On 7-Feb-2003, Sunsite <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote:
: >
: >> On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:44:46 -0800, william kensit
: >> <ken...@islandnet.com> wrote:
: >>
: >> > Took lessons from Hunter Thompson??
: >>
: >> You know, I never read anything by the legendary Hunter Thompson, so I
: >> can't make that connection.
: >
: >Homework assignment for you this week is to read Fear and Loathing in Las
: >Vegas. It's an excellent read. You should also read On the Road by Jack
: >Kerouac if you want to get to the source of the stream of consciousness
: >writing.
: >
: >> --
: >> Jim
: >
: >
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: Huh? I have never read either of them.I have heard of that Jack guy kinda
but
: the other? What does he write about? No clue. What is it you are referring
to
: as a stream of consciencesness?Huh?
Donna,
both Thompson and Kerouac wrote in a stream of consciousness style. Your
writings on this newsgroup are very similar. IIRC, Thompson wrote
extensively for Rolling Stone Magazine back in the early days. Both writers
are highly regarded...so I would take the comparison as a compliment.
Lane
Unknown
It's the mark of a coward. He doesn't mind slinging shit and insulting
people, but when it turns on him and the going gets rough he disappears.
He's been running around declaring who's indian and who's not here for so
long he's forgotten that there's a few of us here that actually grew up in
our cultures. We know how it is back home, we know our people, we grew up
and live with our people. When he comes along and tells us we're wrong and
not proper indians we get rather pissed.
I've spent 29 years of my life living on the rez, and I've been at school
for past three years. My school is three hours from my reservation. I go
there monthly and spend my vacations there with my family. When someone
who's never lived with my people, and never lived with his people for that
matter, starts telling me like it is back home and telling me I'm not a part
of my people I will come out swinging and swinging hard. I think anyone
from my background or of similar background, of which there are some here in
this group, would do the exact same thing.
Lets think of an example many here would understand. I watch the news, and
there's been people on lately who have given themselves the power to declare
who's American and who's not. You know if you support the multitude of wars
you're American, if you don't you're un-American. It's all a return to the
McCarthy bullshit of the past. It's the same bullshit Mr. Bright Thunder
has pulled here with me, and I'm not going for it. Just like if someone
questions your loyalty to your country, people, or family, if someone
questions my loyalty to my nation, people and family I'm gonna throw down.
Mr. Bright Thunder knows exactly what fighting word he's used, and I'm not
afraid give him the written ass kicking he so desperately needs.
> --
> Jim
Unknown
Rightfully so, you're a very creative individual and have much to
contribute. I have enjoyed your writing here since day one and look forward
to your continued postings. I hope you do more than waste your creativity
on usenet. If you could set your mind to it you could create something that
others would gladly pay to read.
> I will stop fussing at you and I apologize too.I was very rude and onery
> to
> you.I am sorry.
You have nothing to be sorry for, I had it coming. You properly chastised
me.
> Ponteach1... ...
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
> "Sunsite" <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote in message
<SNIP>
>
> I'm hopeful that he will eventually return...the group is much the less
> without him.
Yah, it's a real drag not having some guy tell you whether you're Indian or
not. I will deeply miss him. I take it he affirmed your authenticity? Out
of curiousity Lane, I noticed that in a previous post you mentioned that you
use tobbacco ceremonially, so I assume you're affiliated in some way with a
tribe. How would you take it if someone who has little to no knowledge of
your history, over the internet declared you an apple, called you a poacher,
and questioned you loyalty to you people? I think you'd be a little pissed,
and I think you should understand why I am pissed. So I see it as rather
cowardly for internet indian Jim to make these pronouncements and then when
questioned to run off whimpering like a little dog. So if you consider the
loss of a coward to make the group less, that doesn't say much for the group
now does it?
>
> wr,
>
> Lane
Lane Baldwin
<Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e455631$1...@corp.newsgroups.com...
:
Jack,
I have shown you couresty and respect, even though our opinions on this
subject differ. Why will you not do the same for me? I have not attacked you
in any form, nor have I challenged your statements. I have even acknowledged
your work for your people. Why are you now taking potshots at me?
No, Jim did not "confirm my authenticity". And neither can you, OK?? Why are
continuing to be so belligerent when you already know full well that the man
you attack is not here to defend himself? And why are you taking it out on
me?
Lane
Unknown
I haven't taken potshots at you Lane, and if you feel I'm taking potshots at
you I apologize because that was not my intention. I'm just making sure
that you understand my side of the story. I have explained my anger, and I
think if you were similarly treated you would be quite angry yourself. How
would you react if someone who has no knowledge of you people said you
weren't a part of your people? (To me this is the main question that I ask
of you). How can someone that is not a part of your people pronounce you a
member of your people or not? I think you can see how this can be extremely
insulting to someone that grew up with his people and lives with his people.
If someone insulted you that way you'd come out with the gloves off. I'm
bareknuckle on this one, and if Mr. Bright Thunder the ideal indian who
doesn't live with his people wants to throw down I will.
>
> No, Jim did not "confirm my authenticity". And neither can you, OK??
I have no interest in confirming your authenticity. I take you for what you
say you are, and that you have a different life experience that may or may
not make you an interesting person to interact with.
>Why
> are
> continuing to be so belligerent when you already know full well that the
> man
> you attack is not here to defend himself?
Because he pissed me off. He attacked me and then he ran off like a
cowardly animal. He is only not here to defend himself, because he chooses
to remove himself. He has chosen to remove himself, because he knows that
he over stepped himself. He knows that in his arrogance he has made a fool
of himself.
>And why are you taking it out on
> me?
I'm not taking it out on you. You've defended your friend and that is nice
and it is what is to be expected of a true friend. I'm just making sure
you're aware of my side of the story. You said that I have wrongly accused
him. If you'd like to play down my reasons for being angery with him you
should know my reasons for being angery. I have attempted to frame those
reasons in a way that you would understand, by giving an example that you
could personally relate to. It wasn't meant as potshots or an attack on
you. There is a written record you can read it for yourself. He got pinned
down and now he's disapearred. His dissapearance speaks volumes of him.
Lane Baldwin
<Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e456...@corp.newsgroups.com...
:
This is the potshot I was referring to:
>>I take it he affirmed your authenticity?
That came accross as a snide remark. If it wasn't, fine...I'll go with that.
:
: >
: > No, Jim did not "confirm my authenticity". And neither can you, OK??
:
: I have no interest in confirming your authenticity. I take you for what
you
: say you are, and that you have a different life experience that may or may
: not make you an interesting person to interact with.
We'll never know if we don't get off this particular thread. Personally, I
think you may have things to teach me...and I'd like to learn if I can. But
it is impossible to do so as long as every time I post a comment about
someone you don't like, you use my posts as a springboard to vent anger.
:
:
: >Why
:
You have used several of my posts as a springboard for your attacks. Every
time I've said something about Bright Thunder, you've posted basically the
same long rant. I'm asking you nicely to give it a rest. I've read your side
of the story several times. Fine...I've got it, ok? I also said that I
wished the two of you could get beyond this issue because I think that Jim
has some things to offer that are very worthwhile. I still stand by that.
However, I have the same feeling about you. But we're not going to get to
those things until we get beyond this. I was not involved, nor did I read
the discussion you speak about and I make no judgement on them either way.
So... you think we can agree to disagree on this and move on? We've put
enough energy into this, I think...and I'd rather use that energy for
something else.
Lane
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>I think it's great that you're preserving the music. Do you have a fee for
>yor service and do the artrists receive royalties? I ask because of my own
>musical career. Whateveryour answer is OK...even if we disagree. It is not
>my place to tell you how to live...just curious.
I put up the first page with my favorite music, and then gradually
some others joined in to help me. It's been a wonderful experience,
and I get lots of nice email. It costs me out-of-pocket about
$400/year - unfortunately - to provide the bandwidth for Boleadora and
Richka. They are intensive multimedia, and attempts to use cheap
webhosts bombed. So I just became one myself.
I get almost no money from the site - $20 last year, and neither do
the musicians. The music is in low bandwidth RealAudio that sounds
just good enough. I encourage people to buy CDs if they want good
sound, more selections, and most importantly the ability to listen
away from their computer. There are deliberately no free downloads. I
worried a lot about copyright and royalty issues, particularly since
most of the musicians are not well off. But the Andean musician
groups, even expatriate radicals, are all tickled that the music is
just there. I'm on their mailing lists from all over, and they send
pictures and links. I spent a lot of effort and even built my own
"pre-emphasized clipper" so that I can present the music well at a
very low data rate. So when someone in the Andes - and they do listen
there - has a terrible phone line and ancient computer, they will hear
OK. At first I put up music as if for technological Americans and then
changed my mind. But the sound is just good enough to where well
heeled broadband listerners will like it too. I put thought and many
hours into it.
Boleadora uses the network bandwidth of approximately 200 everyday
websites. I just love doing it. Richka is newer but is equivalent to
about 80 normal websites in traffic now. I choose all the content.
Boleadora has more Russian visitors than Richka does. I get tons of
visitor email, mostly in Spanish.
> But I can easily
>undersatnd why Bright Thunder discontinued discussions on those matters.
I do now but didn't then. He made some points in email weeks ago and
explained himself then I countered with my take on the subject.. And
then he abruptly cut off his emails cold. He is not into "coffee
house" discussion of philosophy or spirituality, and I've gotten a
better idea why. I'm the opposite of him - I want people to question
what I'm doing. He doesn't come from that type of psychological space.
>I'm hopeful that he will eventually return...the group is much the less
>without him.
I hope he does too. But I still wish he wouldn't tend to fold up when
questioned. That will never work right in a public forum.
--
Jim
Sunsite
>Homework assignment for you this week is to read Fear and Loathing in Las
>Vegas. It's an excellent read. You should also read On the Road by Jack
>Kerouac if you want to get to the source of the stream of consciousness
>writing.
Thanks. I've heard of both of these books but never did read them. I
wrote them down on my book list.
--
Jim
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
> <Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e456...@corp.newsgroups.com...
> :
<SNIP>
>
> We'll never know if we don't get off this particular thread. Personally, I
> think you may have things to teach me...and I'd like to learn if I can.
> But
> it is impossible to do so as long as every time I post a comment about
> someone you don't like, you use my posts as a springboard to vent anger.
I don't know about teaching you anything, but I'm sure there's much we can
share with each other. I am interested in offering my friendship, and we
should change the subject between you and I soon.
> You have used several of my posts as a springboard for your attacks. Every
> time I've said something about Bright Thunder, you've posted basically the
> same long rant. I'm asking you nicely to give it a rest. I've read your
> side
> of the story several times. Fine...I've got it, ok?
I don't consider it a rant. You haven't acknowledged that you understand my
side of the story until now. For me being White Mountain Apache is
everything, it's all I have. I see my people at school, and we always stop
and say hello. I go home and I see my family and friends it's what I have.
As a people we don't have much, we have our beautiful land and we have each
other. To imply I'm not a part of my community is the harshest of insults.
If someone had the nerve to say that to me in person I'd beat their ass.
That is how much pride I take in my nation, people and community.
> I also said that I
> wished the two of you could get beyond this issue because I think that Jim
> has some things to offer that are very worthwhile. I still stand by that.
That's fine and I'm glad you've had a productive friendship with him. Since
I've joined this group he's sent nothing but barbs my way. As long as he
continues to do so he will get the same in return. Here's something to
learn from me, never piss off an Apache, we have long memories and we'll
fight to the bitter end. When we are children growing up we are taught
this, when we're in high school we do our best to prove it, and in adulthood
we live it. I'm not afraid to fight literally and figuratively, and I have
the scars to prove it. I don't run away and let others sort out my
interpersonal failures.
> However, I have the same feeling about you. But we're not going to get to
> those things until we get beyond this. I was not involved, nor did I read
> the discussion you speak about and I make no judgement on them either way.
Hate to say it Lane, but maybe you shouldn't have gotten involved. You said
that you didn't believe my accusations in a previous post. That's fine, but
if you haven't followed the discussion you really should have stood aside.
You've thrown your hat into an argument that you don't even know the cause
of, doesn't that seem a little foolish. I really don't want to bicker with
you. I have no bone to pick with you. At the same time I have no problem
defending myself if people would like to attack me.
>
> So... you think we can agree to disagree on this and move on? We've put
> enough energy into this, I think...and I'd rather use that energy for
> something else.
You and I can agree to disagree on certain elements of this discussion. If
you support Jim's arrogantly declaring me something I am not, no we cannot
agree to disagree. If you'd like to step out of Jim and mines argument and
move on and discuss things that are more interesting of course we can agree
to disagree.
Lane Baldwin
like a wonderful project...one that is helping the musicians in many ways.
Can you please post the URLs again? I'd like to visit.
wr,
Lane
"Sunsite" <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote in message
news:2bqa4vkih5d8gnj52...@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 03:17:19 -0500, "Lane Baldwin"
Ponteach1
>From: ">"Jack Strong" <>
>Message-id: <3e454efa$1...@corp.newsgroups.com>
>
>
> I have enjoyed your writing here since day one and look forward
>to your continued postings. I hope you do more than waste your creativity
>on usenet. If you could set your mind to it you could create something that
>others would gladly pay to read.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mr.Strong,
I expected the whole unpleasant issue was resolved. You have stated you are a
married man.I am an unmarried woman. I think that the wisest course of action
is to not be writing or responding to any further notes by you to myself.I
think it improper and shows lack of respect for your wife. I am learning I am
too social and friendly and honest to others and this medium is dangerous and
not good for me.
I am blind you see to who I am speaking to. I appreciate your understanding in
this matter and my good wishes to you and your wife and your Family and
Nation.You see I truly do in spite of the betrayal and terrible hurt I went
through? I do beleive marriage vows are a sacred trust and binding up of two
human beings and not to be tampered with by people who forget respect for
marriage is respect and honoring of Community.Family.Nation.
I just don't like ever hurting another woman in that fashion .Is is deeply
hurtful to a woman by her women in Community. I have been there and it hurts
terribly. Nor will I enter into a lie to just have someone to laugh with
because I am lonely. I do not blame you for this but I was unable to put the
brakes on.My mental illness causes me much suffering and I am out there and
then when I stop and consider?I am horrified and saddened and feel shame.
Wreckage is everwhere.Dishonorable and a woman who does not respect myself or
my womanliness.But I just refiuse to let it defeat me and my faith is strong.
I was raised to be a Lady.Yet I was a barefoot wild child baseball tree
climbing tomgirl too. A Professional in the workplace and and treat others with
respect.My Employers deserved respect as it was their efforts to create a place
for me to work and a honest days work for a honest paycheck and pay my taxes
and vote. A strong work ethic.
That is what Longshoreman's Brats learn from their Bear Family.About the Unions
and Confederacy.How to hold your liquor and still maintain your dignity.I do
believe in all my years of living?I have never seen a sloppy Longshoreman who
embarrassed us all by getting that drunk.They have their cute ways.but a sa
real strength of our Nation they have their dignity.Family people first and
foremost..The Walking Bosses and Dad's who raised me to be a good citizen and
American.Patriot..
I am certain now the F.B.I would have never ever hired me as I am too flighty
and unpredictible when I am so scared working a Investigation on a Case.One
that the very lives and freedoms of others depends on.
I keep losing even at freindship.My femininity and my self respect. I hope I
have shared why I think it best not to exchange notes .But I do have a deeper
message of what I have learned.
I have been mightly tricked by an individual who I now do not believe they were
who they said they were.I am sad it was so easy to trick me and play me a
fool.But I try to hold a good memory of many good words that did take place
between us.I wish the person well.Still feel they have beauty and goodness and
generosity of their spirit that for a while blessed my life.
I had foolishly believed my greiving on the pain of the breakup of a long
relationship that mattered so much to me whom I once cherished as my best
freind also.My companion and the life we built together was to end up I was but
a actress to it playing a part for others to take when they were done
exploiting me.
I have said much about it and much hurt spoken.Tears washing the pain away and
publically. Of a woman.Of Tribe. The comment made the Navahosing short songs?
But the Blessing way of these wonderful warm loving gentle people of a great
Nation is a song of wind blowing gently across the lands.The "Colors of the
Wind" of the People. Their strength many times has been there to guide me in
dignity and inner courage and blessings on all peoples.A fine and needed
message when I am sorely troubled on my journey.My respect for these Tribal
Peoples runs deep and strong. Wisdom.
But betrayal of the heart is a sorrowful business and as woman of a nature not
gievn to holding in my feelings as I know what it can lead to?That anger
unchecked and allowed to be hidden and be a passive aggressive person is
unhealthy.Those who use manipulation and untruths and false love and respect is
a bad unhealthy state of mind and mental health. For a person to be happy or
love openly or honestly in they need honesty and self respect..
I am just not willing to be what others try to make me and be the willing
victim.I am fortunate a great deal of sought after and willing Professional
Therapy and by people who were consumate professionals and experienced in like
situation I had survived.
Loss and long term greiving for family and then to find out others said they
were not dead after all.But their lies came back to show much was false and
they had a purpose and a agenda of exploitation that started immediatly. It has
taken me years to see that it was never love. I have now given them up to be
called family. I do not as I am strong willed and of little respect for
manipulation and exploitation of the human emotions of the human being?Give my
life over to it. I do not and did I ever give them the permission to use me as
a puppet and their sickness washing over my life. Anyone who has ever known me
in my life truly knows I am simple minded in my honesty and perceptions.I don't
like lying or deliberatly set about plans of lying.It is not my way. To many or
maybe all a traumatized wounded emotionally immature child woman to abuse and
laugh at and hurt and think they are clever and powerful.
But I also have no tolerance for any who step into my marriage vows and
sabotoge me for their own selfish sadness and inability to to get themselves
healthy.I find it very unhealthy in family dynamics when children do it and
others allow them to get away with it.They are harming the child and thinking
it cute and smart and using them to harm others they would never dare to try it
with.The child learns a unhealthy power over adults and is too young to
understand they must not be sucessful.
If they are the whole family and extended family suffer. I am no longer willing
to be a step parent to any other child who is not seen by my telling the
aduilts the child is acting inappropropriatly and needs counciling. I am not
willing to suffer the losses of exploitation and manipulation of dysfunctional
wounded family who cannot get their own family healthy rather than to involve a
victim in it and destroy them too.
The family may think they have won?But they have hurt themselves more than they
will ever know. Perhaps my finest and most heartfelt contributions are in
sharing these lessons and the Indiginous Family Law I dream of for all American
Families will become a Legislative Bill and become a Great Law of Family.I hope
the good hearted and brave hearted women of Family in this Country will help me
and stand next to me and make this dream possible to help our Families and our
Nation. Or take the dream and carry on as I am ill and tired beyond exhaustion.
We Chippewa and we Mohawk/Seneca and Confederacy are certainly the forerunners
of Great Laws of living in a Democracy.Civil Rights and Human Rights. Our
dreams are truly tribal and generous and loving the world we hold precious.
Reconnecting with family late in life with people I only had vague memories
of.One I had more but the damage done by them in my life by invading my
interpersonal relationships and crossing too many boundries and sabotaging my
life over and over again.We were not raised together so you cannot pick up from
so long ago and expect a healthy relationship.The family values and ethics and
manner of living were too different. It is not reasonable to do so.
I always thought I was the one doing it.I found I have had stalkers and
predators on my life for a very long time.Obsessed with ensuring I never have
real love or contentment .I am saying this now because I suspected it for a
long time but as of last night all the peices fit together.I am not now a woman
who can ever know the love of a man again or have a freind until the person is
apprehended and brought in and I am assured they will never ever disturb my
life again.But the person wants more than my unhappiness and lonliness.They
want my soul.My blood. To exploite it. My life.Their journey is a waste of the
human endevor to move on and certainly not Tribal.They have entrapped others in
it and set a course of acts not healthy. For any who refuse to be honest and
sense something is very wrong.Motive.
I will not surrender my life willingly and my soul belongs to no one but
myself.That is the sad lie told to a Church who believes they had that power
upon peoples.I understand 55 million of our Indiginous peoples died at their
hands. For a soul they said they never believed they had to begin with.They are
wrong and we will not surrender it.We are connected in a powerful spiritual way
they cannot in their jealousy and hatred and conquer us. A dangerous mindset
not rooted in faith has led them the wrong road to walk.
As individuals or a Tribe.A Nation. Cause me and those I loved such suffering
and hurt. It is sad I am having to be so honest and I know it inappropriate to
speak to strangers.
But I will say this after all these years.One person who was a constant in my
life as I cherished their influence in my life and just knowing they were
there?A protector and a
champion. A man I truly trusted with my life and my love dones?I say this in
sorrow and deep hurt that I hurt him and for a something not even his fault.H
ewas one man in my life who never ever lied to me and falsy said he love dme to
gain advantage. I fell for him of cours eas women love chosing champions. But
he never ever deserved my using him a sa weapon to use as a sword to defend
myself and without his permission and his Family and his wife and his
E,ployeer. I hurt fo rthe hurt an dshame I inflclicte don him an dhis long
carrer in Law Enformcnet.I am deeply sorry I took thta path.I have no excuse
but I just expected him to understand he was my champion and my guide in a
Democracy in U.S.Constitutioanl Law and Civila nd Human Rights.I had no right
to expect it of him.I am honored to have for a breif time known him and was at
heart trying to thnak him and the the sacrifices they all make fo rus. He never
lied and manipulate dme to say he loved me.I al;so used it in my relationships
as a sheild of defense if I was scared.Yet I still crossed his boundries.I am
carrying that burden still and I am not going to get out of this by lying about
it.I hope if he is out there and knows I am sorry and I apologize publically to
his wife and family for my transgresions.I have always felt at heart I am a
orphan.Too many homes and too much trauma and too many mixed messages of values
and Religion.In my heart I will hold him in respect and not possession as a
good human being for so many years I could ask questions and the respect was
shown me as a Professional in Law Enforcement.My scars have made me different
in nature than that lady who danced with him so long ago.It is not his
responsibility to save me everytime I get in too deep by my mental illness. Nor
is he my babysitter.I set him free to have his life back and I thank him for
not killing me long ago so that I could take this journey.
I am not either going to lie that I have days I don't still miss the man I
shared my life with and he was my Champion in so many ways.Just his cute ways
and such a handsome man to me always and his cheering smile and happiness and
daily focus to support his family and pay taxes and pay the bills.I was seeing
clearly this morning that I did not show honor for my loved and cherished man
by being respectful of that willingness to go out everyday and fight the
Dragons.I was lonely as he had what I could not longer have.
So I became jealous and resentful and felt a failure and became another Dragon
he had to face in a place he sought contentment in.His home and safety of
comfort and love The work and struggles efforts of his whole life and a
battlteground of mistakes and too many issues never resolved. So much hurt and
tears and anger and trying and trying.It was never meant to be for either of
us..I was wrong and a shrew and a needy and fighting woman. Yet I love dhim and
could not let go.A co-dependenance unhealthy for real love.I had the
information for years but was in denial.But then I knew he preferrred being at
work than at home.I was truly alone Sad but true I still keep fighting for
peace.Peace?Fight?That makes no sense does it? I am learning as I go.Wisdom.
But now I realize he was on a greater Mission.A Mission to defend what I did
not understand till last night.He could not as he did give me plenty of clues
have permission to break a solemn oath he swore .He siad once when he was
having a nightmare and I sat and gently beside him and spoke and woke him up
and asked him to tell me what it was frightening him so.He said he could not as
I could not understand.That pain and strange statement did stay with me.We were
defeated before we began.A friend I treasured.No way back.
I know now others made him do it.Bound him up in something I could never hope
to understand.His head was bound to them and his heart not allaowed to love any
other.His destiny and mine crossed and I only know now what that truth is.A
journey we were both predestined to take.Alone.
I release him from my sorrow and my suffering to be just once a true friend to
honor him and his devotion to that sacred freindship we are so rarely blessed
with in life.I have always understood the rare and special gift of freindship
and the fragility we must hold it in all our lives.Freidnship s precious and
needs love and respect and nourishment and attention but also space to breathe
and grow and remain steady throughout the lives of those blessed with it.A rare
gift and blessing on any human if only once friend you have to know you are not
along in the world.I was angry at everyone for tasking wehat mattred to me
most.This one last chance at the last and best love of my whole life. Of real
happiness.Of faith and joy that transends religion and that binds up two human
beings to truly be open to the majesty and beauty of love.Intimiacy and
happiness and laughter and companionship,.Working side by side and each
standing in front or behind when needed.Knowing it just feels rights to hear
their steps and breathing and heartbeats in sync.A Dance of two who once were
so perfect in step as they went about building a life and being a part of
Community.That shows Community by example the real healing power of love and
faith and overcoming troubles and pain and illness.
Seeking and having that comfort in one another in that sacred peldge of love
and to weather any storms.I am and always will be for the rest of my life his
friend and champion even though I have raged as only a owman can.Be well and
happy always my beloved Mr.Wonderful and my Champion and my hero for so long.I
miss your snoring and your laugh and your trying to boss me around and saying I
am not funny.I am funny and you know I was.
You just think you can desk me around and strut your stuff and say you trained
me as a good lil pulltoy.I am a greeneyed passionante woman.An ol Lassie dog
and Mrs.Teddy Bear of your life and a fluffy still
rascal Bunny Lady.You better be out there and no leav eme alone to wonder.You
are a another woman's sovereign man now.I surrender it all to her care and
loving.
You were my lil flame of hope and I will wish you have chosen a woman who will
see you in our moments of fun and love you as I did.I take my leave and I thank
you all for tolerating me and my dysfunctional self.I am the River
Woman...rolling across the lands...The Holy Road is there and when the time
comes I am called home...You will know a warrior is coming home..just look up
and see a twinkling star and know I am dancing the lighted way for your
continuence and you you will never become lost....a sunny day and puffy clouds
it is the Sky Dancer--Song of Cheifs of Nations---of Tribe...herding you on so
you may live on....be happy and make peace and love and honor that sacred
pledge......hold faith no matter what if only in the promise of love....simple
sweet love....Blessings on you all....
Ponteach1....American Indian Lady....
Pugona-Geshig Equay--A Day Dreaming .Woman....Star Journeyer...
.OJIBWE!! CONFEDERACY!!! Footsteps of the Nations...TREATY....
A loved and treasured gentle Bear of a man companion who once was blesed in a
vow of continuence to be by his side always.I am missing him and I will not
lie.For he wa smy poartner in all things.I had thought I had found th eolast
and only great lovbe of my lufe to grow ild and wise an dcontented to just onc
eknow happiness I nor any any other tobreak asunder.
Lane Baldwin
<Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e458...@corp.newsgroups.com...
:
: On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
:
: > <Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e456...@corp.newsgroups.com...
: > :
: <SNIP>
: >
: > We'll never know if we don't get off this particular thread. Personally,
I
: > think you may have things to teach me...and I'd like to learn if I can.
: > But
: > it is impossible to do so as long as every time I post a comment about
: > someone you don't like, you use my posts as a springboard to vent anger.
:
: I don't know about teaching you anything, but I'm sure there's much we can
: share with each other. I am interested in offering my friendship, and we
: should change the subject between you and I soon.
Done. After this post, if we continue to talk on this thread, let's just
snip all the previous conversation.
:
: > You have used several of my posts as a springboard for your attacks.
Lane Baldwin
rez's so I don't know where they are located. While in the Texas Hill
Country, I got to know a few Apaches in the surrounding area. Now don't go
stirring up old rivalries...my little bit of Native blood is Tonkawa. <grin>
Lane
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
> <Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e458...@corp.newsgroups.com...
> : I don't know about teaching you anything, but I'm sure there's much we
> can
> : share with each other. I am interested in offering my friendship, and
> we
> : should change the subject between you and I soon.
>
> Done. After this post, if we continue to talk on this thread, let's just
> snip all the previous conversation.
Great!! I'm glad to hear it. I wasn't real intersted in arguing with
someone that has read Kerouac and Thompson. One of the things I like about
Kerouac is how he talks about hitch hiking. In some areas it's very easy to
hitch hike. I can catch a ride anywhere I want back home, but when I try to
hitch a ride off rez I can't catch one. I once had a friend from Mexico.
He invited me to visit with his family in Michoacan. We eventually traveled
all over Chiapas together without paying a cent. It was great.
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
This first thing you have to realize is that the White Mountains are the
most beautiful mountains in the country. It's not that the land has huge
snow capped peaks. It's that in a fifty mile drive you can go from desert
with Saguaro cactus to high mountains where plants can't grow. To the South
of us are the San Carlos Apaches, who we share a common border with. At one
time it was all the same reservation, but at some point the reservation was
seperated into two different tribes. At one time the governement used San
Carlos as a catch all location for bands/tribes of whatever kind of Indian
they could round up. They marched the Yavapai's, Tonto's, and whoever else
they could find to San Carlos. The White Mountains were used for their
tracking skill and their love of the fight to round up renegade Apaches that
were imprisoned at Ft. Apache and the Forts on the San Carlos side. That's
all history and we have intermarried with the San Carlos and many people go
back and forth between the two reservations.
The thing that stands out about the Ft. Apache reservation is the beauty of
the land. When I drive home it is very dramatic, because it's a 4000 ft. in
climb in elevation from Tucson to WhiteRiver. We are well known for our
ability to manage our land, and people come from far and wide to enjoy
recreational activity. We have some of the best trout water in the world.
Our Elk herds are well known with many celebrities flying in to hunt big
game elk for over $15,000 a hunt. This work employs some of my relatives.
We are also known for our fire fighting ability, and whenever there's a fire
it's not uncommon for the Ft. Apache Hotshots to be called up to fight the
fire.
Lane Baldwin
<Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e4591e5$1...@corp.newsgroups.com...
:
: Great!! I'm glad to hear it. I wasn't real intersted in arguing with
: someone that has read Kerouac and Thompson. One of the things I like
about
: Kerouac is how he talks about hitch hiking. In some areas it's very easy
to
: hitch hike. I can catch a ride anywhere I want back home, but when I try
to
: hitch a ride off rez I can't catch one. I once had a friend from Mexico.
: He invited me to visit with his family in Michoacan. We eventually
traveled
: all over Chiapas together without paying a cent. It was great.
:
Dangerous stuff to hitch on most of the East Coast nowadays. Most people
think hitchers are psycho-killers and won't pick them up. Those that *do*
pick you up can be pretty psycho themselves. <grin>
Lane
Lane Baldwin
<Jack Strong> wrote in message news:3e459...@corp.newsgroups.com...
:
: This first thing you have to realize is that the White Mountains are the
OK..I know that part of the state...not well...but I know it somewhat. My
wife and came very close to moving out to that area...or perhaps NM, but
after 9-11 she wanted to be as close to family as possible. So I'm in the
Shenandoah range in WV. Her cousin is right down the road and her Aunt (who
raised her) and Uncle are about 20 minutes away. We're within 2 hours of my
family...less than half the distance we used to be. Nice area...small
community...kind of half-way between city and "real" country.
Lane
Lridge164
<sun...@firetrick.net> writes:
where is JBT?
*
i kinda like da guy,
cuz he spits out his posts
in a clear concise way
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
That's the nice thing about living in a small town. You can hitch where you
need to go. We have mile and miles of dirt road that go up into the
mountains, and I've never worried about getting stranded, because someone
will always give you a ride. We have some sickness back home, but it's all
relatively harmless compared to the hatchet murderers that prowl the
interstates.
>
> Lane
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, "Lane Baldwin" <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
My wife and I went out that way last summer. Didn't make it to the
Shenadoahs. We were fortunate enough to camp in the Mongalehalas for a
week. It was Memorial day weekend and we were waiting for the traffic to
die down before we headed North.
>Her cousin is right down the road and her Aunt
> (who
> raised her) and Uncle are about 20 minutes away. We're within 2 hours of
> my
> family...less than half the distance we used to be. Nice area...small
> community...kind of half-way between city and "real" country.
It is pretty out that way. The only thing that bothered me was that I'm
used to big panoramic views. I always felt kind of boxed in the whole time
we were back East. I'm used to driving for 2-3 hours between towns, and
back there it seems that everyone lives on top of each other.
Unknown
On 8-Feb-2003, pont...@aol.com (Ponteach1) wrote:
> > I have enjoyed your writing here since day one and look forward
> >to your continued postings. I hope you do more than waste your
> >creativity
> >on usenet. If you could set your mind to it you could create something
> >that
> >others would gladly pay to read.
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Mr.Strong,
> I expected the whole unpleasant issue was resolved. You have stated you
> are a
> married man.I am an unmarried woman. I think that the wisest course of
> action
> is to not be writing or responding to any further notes by you to myself.I
> think it improper and shows lack of respect for your wife. I am learning I
> am
> too social and friendly and honest to others and this medium is dangerous
> and
> not good for me.
I agree completely, you and I weren't meant to be. I'm sure my wife would
be pleased to know that I'm not out socializing with unmarried women on the
internet.
>
> I am blind you see to who I am speaking to. I appreciate your
> understanding in
> this matter and my good wishes to you and your wife and your Family and
> Nation.You see I truly do in spite of the betrayal and terrible hurt I
> went
> through? I do beleive marriage vows are a sacred trust and binding up of
> two
> human beings and not to be tampered with by people who forget respect for
> marriage is respect and honoring of Community.Family.Nation.
I agree, and I understand your position.
<SNIP>
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/8/03 11:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <v4anomn...@corp.supernews.com>
Lane speaking to a stated as a Apache citizen and upset and rightly so at the
challenge and typical roughing up any who refuse to be what you need and want
to diminish citizenship in our Nations.
Mr.Jim Bright Thunder disclosed his ancestry to me and I need not break the
promise I made not to disclose it.If he was lying?That is his disgrace.Not mine
.We have had our battles but he spent much time trying to understand me and we
know that is a exercise in futility and many times when the rest of your were
sickening in your contempt and belittling me?Showed the dignity and respect for
a man and Gentleman in manner s toward a woman..
He is a married man also and not proper to speak further in e-mail we both know
and maintained that is mutual respect .It was acceptible to speak to one
another on the boards in civility and grace and manners.You do him no favors
for being his defense. He is a tough enough warrior.
Besides? I never underestimated him of the Choctaw Nation -Retired U.S.Military
man either. They get mad they show up and they will singly or together tear the
whole board up and only a dusty memory.If that.Alligator Clan men!! I ain't
going there.
Hell, I don't ever underestimate them.Buffalo Bulls.I grew up around men like
that..I like em.Respect em.Tough ass men!! Ass kickin men!! They love it when
you try em on!! Try to tame em!! Ride em!! Saddle em!! I never would I try it.I
got respect!!!I worked as Indian Bartender in a tough ass mean ass hard
drinking UNION-Ironworker/Sailors/Longshoreman's/
Carpenters/Bikers Bar.and I just waited till they done.They will let you know
if the buildling is still standing when they have settled it.Ain't a damn thing
you can do.!!The last to stand if needed to stop it..Longshoreman always retain
jurisdiction..One man can whup the whole Bar..if they don't listen the first
time..<g>.
If it is over a female? She might as well resign herself to giving up.She is
whupped...the prize..She probably had it coming anyhow....As she walks out the
door with the grand prize..two Nations Confederacy.......Yahoo!!!....smilin...
...winking...boot scootie boogie..Disco.. .feeling the fever and the
heat....oooooohhhhhhaaahhhh .Born to Dance...... Change of jurisdiction..
...new shift in .sovereign..dancing her cute ways out the door...knowing he
leads..The Laws of the man and the woman....hehehe
I shall intervene and say I thank him and yet Mr.Strong shall not be denied his
right to claim his ancestry and be insulted further by me to add insult to
injury and have me snooping around about it.This ongoing nonsense.In this case?
Wolvbtch is right.It is beneath us all to be doing this.I will in this one
instance show that respect for wolvbtch and that is it...grrrrrr
But Lane you are foolish and I've known my whole life the stance of aggression
of two Buffalo Bulls.Elk Nation.Moose Nation. ( Especially if a full rack
or horns) Bear Nation.(They ain't fluffy Teddy Bears) Deer Nation.( They ain't
all Bambi ) Wolf Nation
( near a Bison herd you fool?) .Big Cats
( a real dang fool gets close) Big Cats who win own the whole Pride.The
African Lion who owns Pride holds dominance of the Plains of the
Serenghetti---Cheetah-fastest Cat on earth. Bobcat-Rocky High Country Cat...
Water Panther- Seminole Swamp Cats in a stalk and stealth.---.Leopard- beauty
in motion and dance.The High Country Snow Leopard--Mt. Killimanjaro --beauty
and classic stance of the Big Cats-- The Jaguar- dangerous and very fast and
majesty in the chase.On a dead run they turn you are finished....Plus two Rodeo
Bulls break the gate and throw their riders and see each other?The Cowboys call
it.. For the GLORY of it!!) ) .And Texas Steers.(You best have a lasso and rope
em and throw em.quick or you will be shish kebob quick.)You are a fool to get
between them in a aggressive act of dominace.Diplomacy is useless.Tribal Laws
of Ancient Clan and Nation dictate it.Fact....
You from the Country? I don't think so.It ain't natural you see.Two Buffalo
Bulls go at it? Two raging thundering runaway trains charging one another and
you best run lest you get trampled.Dang fool. Did you not hear the sound of
Bison snorting and see steam and head lowered and pawing the earth to warn and
the Ploo!! Ploo! sound the Great Bison make before they charge? You best run
Lane. It is the oldest fight in the world. Male dominance of Tribe.The Tribes
are born knowing it.Two Bull Elk in a rut can destroy a U.S.Army Jeep and put
the soldiers on the run ..they wil tear up the Countryside...spook the Herd...
We are not friends Lane and I am not Russian but no man of the Tribes needs a
unidentified as you are as you always fail to step up and answer what you
insult and demand of others as a citizen of a Nation or Band to speak in the
breaking of protocol of the Tribes.Identify or siit down and be quet.You have
been more than insulting me . ...it is sadistic...
Furthermore this business of calling another a apple? I love it when called
that.I consider it a high compliment.A "apple" from the Country born is a Horse
droppings and track of the Horse.The Sacred Dog of the Nations.The Bison of the
North American Peoples.I love being called a apple.Makes me smile and remember
my upbringing in the Country.Going horseback riding and feeling that freedom of
the spirit and the lands.The beloved lands you just watch us stand and fight,
for any threaten us.It is good to reach back to the places of living and
birthing, and living right on the lands and remember, the good and wonderful
lessons and sunny days and making angels in the snow.I love it and proud to
be a Country gal.Country woman.
That is where the deepest and the best of the Patriotism is born and thrives.Of
any Nation.. Americans are proud to be bound up to the lands as are the
Tribes.We respect the dirt and what it gives us if we care for it.Nourish it
and seed it and tend to it.Love it and pray on it and keep it healthy.I am the
living dirt and the apple track Horse warrior of a Federally Fecognized Treaty
Nation and a proud American citizen proud to be.I am a American Indian --Stars
and Stripes--Old Glory American Flag waving Patriot.I was raised up right.!!!
I am a mighty Oak of the Nations.Rooted deep in the dirt of life and history
and seasons make me stronger and the winds bless me and leaves teach me and
branches shade me and you if you need it.I am shelter to animals and home to
birds of flight.The nest of the Great American Eagle symbol of Nations is my
proudest ornament.Great Trees reaching for the Universe...to live on...memory
of Dynasty...
That Great Oak Tree stands for surviving Civil Wars and Tribes sorrow and yet
in prayer and Cermony and respect standing up as pride and love of these lands
cannot stop them from doing so.
You and a few others have given yourselves up and no matter what you cannot
wallow in that lie and have me respect you.Cause I shan''t.!!
Furthermore you dared and Lisa dared to explain Mike's claim of having a wife
of the White Earth Nation and he further insults me and her by not telling me
who she is.The Mississippi Band swomen know any man no matter a Tribe or a
U.S.Military ever trys on a Chippewa woman and she needs a champion?I am on
it.Don't any of you lie to me about the proper conduct of our citizens and
Cheifs and Councils.
The Warriors and Lesdership of A.I.M Confederacy and of Florida taught me the
proper way to identify if they act Coyote and ambiguois.Identity Name and Clan
and Band and Nation and whose your Family? Sheridan and I don't even like each
other but still has taught me a few things. .Don't you go there and try your
upstart ambigous bullying me or Mr.Strong either.I won't have it.disrespectful
to women of the Tribes of the Federally Recognized Nations and the NCAI .There
is no shame in not knowing but don't stand between Recognized Nations and go
there.
Believing it as so many do here it is some U.S.Govt. ongoing conspiracy and I
say it is TREATY business and only those who know our history of the Treaty and
our Nations and the process of our Citizenship can truly speak of the truth of
it and why it occured to begin with.
You dare to insult my Nation and Family bloodlines again and again and insult
our most precious of Clan beginnings and very creation beginnings and then do
greivous insult to my People of the Chipppewa/Algonkin-Chippewa/Cree
Confederacy of Nations? Then saying I claim Tribes that never existed.Name it
you lil snip pup arrogant and foolish critter to take me on to begin with.There
were 2000 Nations and 1000 lanuages and the survivors are losing more than they
are gaining in saving what is left.How dare you disrespect the losses of our
Nations to strut to me as you think you can just to be popular here among
others of the same ilk? How damn dare you insult my Mother and My Mississippi
Bands Confederacy of Chippewa.Our Leaders and Council and Traditional Elders
and Holy People.Our Historians.and our children.!!!!
Our American Indian Movements Warrior men and women I will stand in front of
and teach you manners you attack the men and women who defend our Nations.I
will make Vernon Sr. look a pussycat compared to my temper you dare such insult
to the men of my Nations.We Chippewa have a serious reputation as Warriors and
countin coup on our enemies.
I am a member of a Nation of the Tribes of North America and identified as
living here..I stand as you know as a Speaker for these Nations as I have tried
so hard to help you learn and yet all you do is hurt my feelings and insult
me.Then youlie when I corrected you on the Russian info.I took a wrong turn and
it was not Mississippi Bands info they gave me or my Mother.I never had to
share any of it.Nor is it for sale.The decison was made long ago.Don't test the
patience of the Treaty Tribes.It is not about my life and ancestyer being
better.It is using the story to teach all of hwta happened in the Natiosn and
the u.S.Govt and both are my focus.Good relatiosn and ideas to help one another
to stand strong as a Country.I am sicken by the tarsh tlak about my Counytry by
thos ewho enjoy and take gfor granted the benefits of living in a worling
Democracy.
Lane? Do your own damn homework. Reasearch.Nothing worthwhile to hold for life
knowledge was ever learned in any Class I ever went to or College Classes if I
had to cheat to take the test.That is not Scholarship of love of learning.It is
cheating and taking shortcuts.You cannot play act or bluff the Big Dawgs of
Business and Industry in the Big Fortune 500 Co's. or the U.S.Govt. or as a Top
Gun of the Lawr or as Tribal Leader.Because you just don't know anything but
what someone else came up with.I was a Top Gun Specialized Executive Recruiter
in the Big Fortune 500 Co's. You may get the job an dimpres them for a while
but they will catch you lacking in honesty and integrity and ethics.Big and
small Co;'s spend a lot of money training and they deserve their monies
worth.Honesty and not cheating in their money or product or services.
Honestry.Loyalty. Hard work and believing in what you sell. Product info.
Always be willing to go to any further training.Invest in yourself and always
be willing to compliment and respect your Employer by offering to learn more
Have fun and be the best you can be..Paid or unpaid.Your Career and Resume and
Rep will flourish.It applies to Music Industry and a Entrepeneur..Big and Small
Business.It says who you are and what you are about.
A Orator of the Laws will love it and dream it and do it for the GLORY of it!!
Defending it in a Democracy.. .U.S.Constitutional Laws....no shortcuts...You
learn and you study and dream it and you do it one way only.."IN SEARCH OF
EXCELLENCE"!!
Smart Teachers and College Professors can pick up on it quick too.....
Oh?A "303" is a Report of Case Findings filed with the U.S.Govt. Federal Bureau
of Investigations.I did not know before.My Special Feild Investigations Reports
are from the get go very different.Makes em all crazy and Lawyers smile and go
nuts to check it out.....Call me unflattering names when they see I am right
on...Hold a resentful grudge and never say thank you..they see the ancestors
name Mr.Edmund Burke (Dublin-English Parliment and Law Soliciter and
Barrister--Social and Political Commentary and are impressed....learning is
ongoing and life lessons are many times eligible for University College
credits....Fact...I am Retired Volunteer Criminal Justice Alumni---Only non
Degreed woman to ever be chosen to sit and be a Recognized Alumni---City
University--I was a pup too..smartest Educators I ever knew--Two Sicilian
Lions--Big Cats---- Committed to EXCELLENCE-Gentleman...
I was a young Fancy Dancing --but serious College work-study student and a
working Rep and Seminar and Program Co-Ordinator-Specializing in Women's
Program's--"Women on the Move"--One of three women Reps in my State.
Seminars-'Nursing Programs" and "Stress" In the workplace
Programs.Gestalt-Psychology of the Masters in Therapy Methods of Human
Psychology and Human disorders.PTSD Studies."Mr. Zig Ziggler",Master Sales
Training and many others.Lead Placement Job Training Rep The -"Snelling and
Snelling"-Employment Services Inc. The ."Dorothy Carnegie-Sales Training"
Classes.The "Ford Motor Co. Professional Sales Training School"- too many more
to list...I am old ok?The Bosses used to watch me Fancy Dance the Inventory on
Cars and Trucks on the Lot.Watch me show Cars---Climb all over Trucks---Show my
Product of American-Made and "Ford Built Tough"---!!Demo-...Do my work and
laugh and sing while I worked...8-14 hours a day...sometimes ba 2 week haul and
I never had a day off---On going Product Training and Schools--(Forced
braindamage --well?)
Co-Editor- Portland Women's in Advertising News Letter.Featured in
:"Advertising Age Magazine"- The News of the Top Public Relations (NY City
/Manhatten based) Co's. and Media and Advertising and Publishing Firms in
America. I was very young but my Mentors were the biggest and most respected
(women who lead Fortune 500 Co's-CEO's..) names in Radio and TV and Media and
Journalism--The "who and why and where and how and when"-Journaism Ethics..I
never forgot them either.CEO-Boardroom Meeting --"Stick with me kid and you'll
learn something" I did.The Grand Dame of Television- Mrs.Isabel Hoyt -TV and
Publishing and Hotel Corp.Baroness etc,<g>.Also Charitible Foundations I did
Volunteer work for....
I am mentally ill and standing sober before the Federall Recognized Treaty
Tribes of North America...Aho!!!
Ponteach1....out of here...
Lane Baldwin
I'm not sure I understand why you have taken this stance. Since your return
to the newsgroup, I have shown you courtesy. I showed Jack courtesy...and if
you will read the rest of the thread you will see that we did not come to
blows, so to speak. Neither did I did not question his origins at any time.
And if it is so wrong for me to stand with my friend and try to make peace
between two people -- both of whom have much to offer here -- why is it all
right for you to take a stand and to attack me?
Donna, you make guesses about me that are so far from the truth. You are far
more rude to me in this one post than I ever was to Jack throughout several.
There is no reason for this. There is no reason for us to fight. Wouldn't it
be better if we could deal with each other respectfully? Jack and I made
peace before you ever posted this. Why try to stir it up now?
Let's put a stop to the fighting, Donna. Better to be on good terms.
Lane
"Ponteach1" <pont...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030208213003...@mb-fg.aol.com...
: >Subject: Re: For Emperor Jim
:
:
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>Very cool, Jim Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. It sounds
>like a wonderful project...one that is helping the musicians in many ways.
>Can you please post the URLs again? I'd like to visit.
It was Boleadora http://boleadora.com for music from the Andes and
nearby regions and Richka http://richka.com for Russia and the former
Soviet Republics. The Andean musicians have been very happy about it.
--
Jim
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
> We're within 2 hours of my
>family...less than half the distance we used to be. Nice area...small
>community...kind of half-way between city and "real" country.
That's exactly the type of area I live in - in between city and
country. It's a wonderful way to do it - I'm in a nice little valley -
but both of you would hate it in Central Coast California. The traffic
is horrific, and it's the most expensive area in the country for some
reason I don't fully understand. A shack starts at about $300,000, and
a decent house is at least $500,000. People are crowded together in
overpriced tracts. It is also popular to buy houses as far away as the
Central Valley in the $150K range and then do amazing commutes to work
- like 2+ hours each way in awful traffic, putting 40K miles on their
car or SUV in a year. It's really nuts.
--
Jim
Lane Baldwin
for me. Back in teh Navy, I lived in teh Monterey area twice...and really
enjoyed it because I had no commute to speak of. Some very cool things about
living there, as well. Recently, I telecommuted to my corporate offices in
Fremont, CA and had to travel out there every so often for a week of
meetings. Now that area would drive me nuts in less thana month! Way too
many people.
And you're right...the housing costs int hat area are absurd.
Lane
"Sunsite" <sun...@firetrick.net> wrote in message
news:4kjb4vg2crukb634o...@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:16:50 -0500, "Lane Baldwin"
Sunsite
>, and whenever there's a fire
>it's not uncommon for the Ft. Apache Hotshots to be called up to fight the
>fire.
Speaking of that, is your area recovering OK from the Rodeo-Chediski
fire? I learned a lot about your area last summer when I designed and
set up the fire message board for the Pinetop-Lakeside CofC webmaster.
She was extremely frazzled and of course very worried and didn't have
time to do it. I made it on the dark day of June 23, '02 and hosted it
on my webserver until it overloaded with messages. She found a friend
in LA that would host it on his bigger server, so we moved it. It's
still up and has my administrator messages from July. That was a bad
time.
http://ds01.tvsecure.com/~ds01003/linda/UltraBoard.cgi
But it was your reservation that was very impacted. The town of
Cibecue was south of the fire but apparently suffered severe economic
losses, at least in the short run. Since my contacts were in Show
Low, Holbrook, and Pinetop-Lakeside, I'm more familiar with the whole
bummer event from their perspective. All of the message board traffic
was about highway 260 areas north of your reservation. Please tell me
about Cibecue.
--
Jim
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/8/03 2:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3e458...@corp.newsgroups.com>
> Here's something to
>learn from me, never piss off an Apache, we have long memories and we'll
>fight to the bitter end.
Mr.Strong,I know I said I was leaving.I was searching for something. I really
would like to say something about the Apache.I agree the Apache is a tough
enough warrior and a great human being to call a friend?
But I am Chippewa/MN Cheyenne/Mohican/Mohawk and I am proud and too darn
arrogant for a woman to be showing it off. But that is my style.To encourage
all to be proud and happy to say their Nations.Their People.
But perhaps in sharing your understanding
you may understand my position .I once had a friend who is Apache.I liked and
respected and found him a wonderful person I enjoyed seeing to visit.Many
issues of the tribes we agreed on.But once in a important Community Meeting and
as the Protocol of a Treaty Nation I introduced myself and to the group with
him?They were InterTribal Group and men of the Matrilineal when in reality
shifted and took a Patrilineal stance and embarrassed and offended me.In front
of People in my Community I have lived in most my life. I made a positive
suggestion in Community relations in my Community.I was publically corrected by
a InterTribal and the others and two who knew me said nothing while he did
so.Offended ?You bet I was.
Arrogant? Yes I am when a Treaty Decendent speaks in care and concern of all
the Bands and Tribes and Nations as a Liason in Community and State and
U.S.Govt and Tribes.You bet I take offense.Nor did he ever apologize for
talking down to me as I was some property of his a total stranger.A lost
opportunity of support by me to assist on a Federal level of cooperation and
assist as I have done with other Agencies and Minority Groups.Charitible
Organizations and CEO's and the DOJ/AJ and Tribal Laws Justice Lawyers.Social
Services.
I do Report my findings.
Reps on Issues we find most pressing and important as Nations. InterCities.
Disabled Americans.Mental Illness Issues.Housing. Alcohol and Drug Treatment
and Education.Race and Family Issues.Major Crimes Act.Jurisdictional Issues.
U.S.Military Vets Issues.Devoted to.
National Indian Child Welfare Act Laws.Federal Laws of the Tribes.Any Laws by
the U.S.Congress given to assist us.
Chippewa while Patrilineal have a history of women called Mississippi Treaty
Queens who stood in equality at Treaty time and next to Cheifs and Band Leaders
and as Warriors.I am Matrilineal and not hard to tell by my writing.But I lost
a well liked friend and a Ally that day.A couple actually.You don't contradict
or correct a Recognized Speaker for the Treaty Nations.Chippewa
Confederacy-Appointed by Tribal Council-. Chastise them when they are a male
Rep of InterTribal.
I was damned pissed off he even went there.He was not my Elder or Tribal
Chair.Fighting mad and feeling my famous Irish flash temper flare?You bet.My
eyes were saying it.You not sorry sucker you try me on!! The rest took off.I
could say more but I won't.I never forgot the loss of one who I really liked I
believed a nice person. Plus the loss of many issues he taught me I never
considered before. A Gentleman.
The Apache man was wrong to side against me. He and the others have never
apologized either.I was done with all of them that day.I have always admired
the Apache and know of their struggles.I have also spoken on the U.S. Govt.
F.B.I. Special Agent Case Files on the "Apache War Leader Geronimo War Bonnet"
Disapeance and reclaimed by diligence and excellent work by the Agents on the
Case. It is in their Case Files from WA DC--"FBI.Gov"-Web Site. I spoke because
I know the Agents will go on a dead flat run Investigating when a
Investigations Case is needing attention.I hold them in admiration for any
Cases they work and resolve.My pride in them they show us their finest and best
work as Fed LEO Agents and assisting the Tribes.I refuse to give up on them
because of it.
But A Chippewa woman won't take that kind of "Tatanka C'este" ( BS) off any
Apache or any other man who steps out of line and corrects a Speaker-Orator of
the Treaty Tribes.I am the best fast pitch hardball playing defense they need
me in Federal Recognition Case and Law Issues for referral.
Jurisdicition.Extradition.
I Dance ,"In Excellence"--Treaty and Laws and Co-ordinate assist and help and I
play a hard and fast Top Gun assist and it ain't no sandbox child's game either
and with a lot of love and heart and dedication and experience. You don't screw
with me when I am working for the Treaty Tribes. Confederacies.Compacts and
Allied Nations.Nor the National Congress of American Indians.-membership.ACLU
or NAMI Issues. U.S.Constitution.United Nations Laws of Sites and Members.
International Law Enforcement and Treaty.
I have 20+ years of knowing the Big Dawgs of Top Cops of LAW ..They know I am a
Fancy Dancer and I run hard and quick and barefooted.High heels and
Professional and I am devoted to my responsibilities.I teach women to lead and
be proud of all their aacomplishments.They still hate me. Despise me and call
me ugly names you don't call women.Men despise me and love intimidating me if I
get too tough and outwarrior them. Count too much coup. But we have egos too
and I got no time for that but I hurt them ? They only need say so and I am on
it and apologizing.That is my way.I work fast and hardrunning and it makes it
hard for them to keep up I know.I never mean to diminish a man.I actually adore
men.in spite of all that happened and they have been my finest Teachers.I
compliment the best of the men I have known.I honor their best qualities.They
are smart and cute and fun.Sweethearts you like em and assholes if you cross
em.Crossing me is that flash of my eyes and Cheif Sitting Bull's baby gonna
ride down on your ass.For a fact.
Public and no hiding behind anything..I am savy and smart and a street fighter
and my Resume(a partial is here I just wrote) is hard earned and I busted my
ass to learn The hard way .The Library and used books stores. I am the woman
you go to come through my Chippewa relations are attacked.My men know I am a
tough ass Lady and a mean Verbal Martial Arts Dragon Fighter.I am Crane
Clans.Kick of Crane. A kick ass fighter I get riled.I do it for love and for
the American Indian Tribes and the U.S.Govt that we are the Confederacy of the
Free World.I am proud to be a American.
I refuse to whine and blame the generic U.S.Leadership for all our problems and
what they don't understand.That is everyone else's job.I got too much hard work
every day to keep learning and not give up and I miss having just one friend in
the world who loves and likes and respects me and believes in me and who knows
my work.I have to be my own Hero cause no one else will be.
I really miss the Big Ol Dawgs Top Law Dancers a lot.I adore them.I play
Scottish Highlander Gold-"Gentleman? I am coming through--Get the hell our of
my way".Sink it and fast and get back to the work of the Hoops of the
Nations.Mending.Healing. Loving them healthy and well.Why?" If not I ? Whom?"
My Grandfathers and GrandMothers names are on the 317 Treaties.Confederacies.I
know my job and my legacy.
My authority is backed by Treaty Law and I Rep legally.I expect the women will
stand and follow my work and leave their own legacy.I know you see? That most
are Moms and GrandMother's and Aunties and cannot afford School and
University.Got no car or afford a babysitter .I spent most of my life poor.Got
Family to care for and Elders.I am the lil candle they sit and light and study
at night just like I did to learn. Just like the Kentucky man and the Law he
learned .President.Mr.Abraham Lincoln-"The Great Emancipator"--He forgot about
us womenfolks.His wife was mentally ill.....Just like I am...
Thank you for allowing me to speak on the loss of a possible wonderful
friend.Apache Respects to the White Mountain-Apache---
Donna ...
White Earth Nation-Eagle Totem--
Mississippi Bands Confederacy -member--
National Congress of American Indians--
U.S.Govt versus Great Sioux Nation (Ft Laramaie Treaty 1851-1868 ) RESMURS
Case Files-Special Field Investigations Federally Recognized Treaty Nations.--
Protocol of Nations-Report Filed.CC 2003
Geneva Conferance Rules--Red Cross sign-Neutrality--Rules on POW's and Hymane
Treatment of Prisoners.
Amnesty International.-Observors--
United Nations-Cyber SchoolBus---running as usual to catch up--===
Ponteach1...lil one
Sunsite
<c...@XschizoaffectiveX.org> wrote:
>Sounds like Seattle. Must be all the californians moving up here that did that.. :)
There are lots of Californians moving up there. In fact, for the last
job I had in San Jose, CA, I replaced someone who went to Microsoft.
I'm glad he left because it was a good job. Many people leave here and
go to Washington, Oregon, and Nevada. When I visit friends in Nevada,
they are people who used to live here.
I bought an eBay item from a lady in Ellensburg, Washington and she
said that people commute from there to "Sea-Tac" for their jobs.
That's a long California style commute for sure.
--
Jim
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>The area you live in is beautiful. but you're right...it's way too built up
>for me.
Nobody in this group would like it. I especially don't like the rat
race atmosphere.
> Back in teh Navy, I lived in teh Monterey area twice...and really
>enjoyed it because I had no commute to speak of. Some very cool things about
>living there, as well.
That was Fort Ord. Monterey really is a beautiful area for sure. But
it's really expensive. I'd like to live down that way - further from
the Silicon Valley - but you have to be rich.
>Recently, I telecommuted to my corporate offices in
>Fremont, CA and had to travel out there every so often for a week of
>meetings. Now that area would drive me nuts in less thana month! Way too
>many people.
Fremont has really built up. Typical homes there would now be in at
least the $600K department - with a decent 2 bedroom apartment going
for $1500/month or more. And then when you add in the Nimitz Freeway,
Ugh!
--
Jim
Ponteach1
>Date: 2/8/03 5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <v4balsh...@corp.supernews.com>
Lane,
You now know I don't like you.You are contemptible.You best hope you never end
up ill.But at least I will have compassion and some pity and not call you those
diminishiing names.Tell me this?
Mr.Robin Williams -Actor-Comedian?
Mr.Jim Carey-Actor -Comedian?
Mrs Margot Kidder-Actress-Author?
Mr.Eddy Murphy-Actor -Comedian?
They get millions for not taking meds.
I get abused no matter what and I am poor
.
I asked years ago many times writing and never heard back once to Mr.Russell
Means-Ogllala Lakota-Actor who helped Margot Kidder to his T.R.E.A.T.Y. Web
Site for help on what traditional herbs he helped her with? His "secretary"
"karenater" ate all the notes.More "wolvbtch"and "Anuh1 " laughing
cheapshots.Real humane huh? "nit 1 pearl 2" is a fine help.I don't want her
man.I am not interested in him or Mr.Ed MaGaa ( she)and his Coyote bullshit
either.Disrespectful bigots!! Wannabe Buffalo Butts!!Pidgeon Poop!!Crybaby
whiners!! But did I ever give up on them? No!!They have no respect for women I
can see.
>pick you up can be pretty psycho themselves. <grin>
>
>>>>>
That is the whole huge problem with Western Medicine and American Indians.They
cannot do the job so they experiment to destroy our mind and wonder why we
don't trust em.Make us mass mentally ill and dismiss us with hurtful labels and
then write a best seller and hurt us all.Jerks.Screw em up so bad and hide
behind HMO status and then make you sicker experimenting on you? They work you
over.They are the sickest of any I met.
THIS FORUM IS NOT A PLACE FOR CHILDREN--DON'T CROSS POST EITHER.STOP RIGHT
HERE!!
Besides? What Indian in any frame of mind? Would care one whit what Dr.Anal
Retentive Obsessed with inappropriate sexual dysfunction and having sex with
his own Mother and blaming her for having a sexual identity and daring to dream
of a orgasm with that Daddy who made him so oppressed and hating women like he
did? I got no interest in Dr.Sigmund Freud.He was woman hater.I knew what he
was after in the movie about his life.He made that young female woman a shame
victim and he was a predator on her.I ain't fooled.That is a old movie
too.Freud was a pervert and ain't no help to mess us up more.
"PAC-Parent-Adult-Child".I learned it years ago.You watch the shift.Easy.You
and your silly ass wannabe Drs ThinksYa Brilliant fools.I can mind mess with a
Heavy Duty Bad Ass Criminal Psychologist and scare shit out of him.You sure you
want to go there? Easy? Big Cat moves!!!My cute ways. Puurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .
Growl..The Sicilians have a name for that "look" they see ya looking at em that
way..--Scares the primal fear hell out of them..-They run like hell...Capizhe?
..They run like hell or stand and be amazed...He was smart...He ran...I always
give them choices they try that mind messin on my mind...I got all the right
moves....Sex is 1-2-3.Love is another matter.."The Classic Timeless Art of
Love".There is a differance.It's about respect and love of the human body and
real intimacy.Romance--Real love is never shamed based with the one you
love.Women know when they got it.Betrayed? .When they are done with
it...Responsibility is a level of respect.Older women and men know
that.Cherishing and caring. Young ones need to be taught boundries and what is
ok and not ok.In the home.By Parents.
Man only cares about performance? Usually likes porno and thinks that is love
lessons.Kick him and the videos out and tell him to grow up.Real women don' t
need the lessons of actors in the art of loving their men.Children don't need
those disrespectful lessons and fraud about real love....or how they view
themselves and others.They are very impressionable..
.I don't go there anymore.I am back to minding my own hypocracy---
I find the cop who hypnotized me when I told him don't ever do it?He did it
anyhow? Not my man either.That is criminal and a violation of the psyche.The
sacred.He will be held accountible. Law.Don't sho wup at my Funeral and say you
were my friend either..
Their intent toward me was deadly and I ain't no fool. That is not healing.That
is moral and ethical and Civil and Human Rights grounds for dismissal from
Medicine.Drs .Nurses.HMO shut down.!!!
Fed Cops/Cops have a high extreme fight or flight stress response and can
sustain severe emotional and psyche damage if not aware of the signs.PTSD.Going
sideways. Serious depression.We must always be willing to bring in the best
healing and care and not always drugs to shut them up.They can get very
violent.Take all their guns too.They need support staff to watch them and haul
their tired Cop buns in and check em out.I do think women are darn good at
it.They forced all male Drs on my poor life.
Women pick up on damage and see it holistically. Painkillers are dangerous and
addictive.Driving dumb.
Alcoholism and drug addiction to shut down the fear and pain is a real issue
they have and not hidden from me well.Their marriages go sideways shockingly
fast.Infidelity. Nurses and Bartenders usually understand them well and moments
of weakness mistakes made and wives need to be willing to see why it happened
and be willing to forgive. Or she don't have to. Domestic abuse.They need to be
healed back up. Never take their hope to return to the LEO Badge cause
they wanted to be Cops since children mostly.Foregiveness in Community
important.Family needs support and tough love to get her man back.Father needs
wife's love and respect and the children to love and admire him and not be
afraid of him.Keep him a healthy hero.Faith..
Now just who you calling ugly names?
Ponteach1....lil one...
Member ACLU-NAMI--Civil Rights..
Mike
You can go out and sit. Then sooner or later you will see real
wildlife. Bear, Cats, Owls, Deer, Elk, Horses, Bighorn, and many more.
It's the one place on earth you can go and be just one. Like Jack said
fish, and water you can drink right from the stream. We have our old
areas also. Pituregraphs, carvings, and much more. It's a place that
you can be in the old way by building a shadehouse and be in harmony
or go to a NA-IH-ES like our people have done from the time before
time. If you want the now time we have that also. I am older and like
just a wickiup some where away at times to see our people from a time
lost. It's still a place where you can see a boy with his sheep
walking along or men working their cattle. Grow your own corn and
squash and sit by a fire at night. Then when it dies down you will see
the stars like you never have in your life. It's a place where if your
down and out friends and family are there. It's a place that calls to
you saying your home and you have all you need.
Mike
piishii
Lane Baldwin
Donna,
I have not called you any names, nor made any negative remarks about you.
Furthermore, not veryone who is mentally ill fits the description psychotic.
I think you are looking for someone to be mad at. If you need it to be me,
then that is what you will do.
I still say it is better to not fight...and I will not fight with you.
Lane
Lane Baldwin
"Shawnie" <c...@XschizoaffectiveX.org> wrote in message
news:13lb4vods1hsv1h9v...@4ax.com...
: On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 04:00:40 GMT, in alt.native Sunsite
<sun...@firetrick.net> wrote:
:
:
:
: Sounds like Seattle. Must be all the californians moving up here that did
that.. :)
I don't know that area very well...only know a few people who live
there...but it is my understanding that Washington and Oregon both have
natives who would prefer the Californians not come to their states for fear
that they will mess them up as badly as they did California.
Lane
Lane Baldwin
: On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:08:15 -0500, "Lane Baldwin"
:
: That was Fort Ord. Monterey really is a beautiful area for sure. But
: it's really expensive. I'd like to live down that way - further from
: the Silicon Valley - but you have to be rich.
Actually, I was at the language school...although my daughter was born at
Fort Ord. I lived just down the hill from DLI.
wr,
Lane
Mike
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:08:15 -0500, "Lane Baldwin"
> <la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>
> >The area you live in is beautiful. but you're right...it's way too built up
> >for me.
>
> Nobody in this group would like it. I especially don't like the rat
> race atmosphere.
>
> > Back in teh Navy, I lived in teh Monterey area twice...and really
> >enjoyed it because I had no commute to speak of. Some very cool things about
> >living there, as well.
>
> That was Fort Ord. Monterey really is a beautiful area for sure. But
> it's really expensive. I'd like to live down that way - further from
> the Silicon Valley - but you have to be rich.
>
Fort Ord is closed now, and the only thing open is at the language
school in Monterey. Big Sur is the place to go. Take along some crab
and maybe a salmon (smoked) on San Francisco sourdough bread.
Mike
JRWolf
news:5e0d76a8.03020...@posting.google.com...
Mountains are the
> > most beautiful mountains in the country. It's not that the
land has huge
> > snow capped peaks. It's that in a fifty mile drive you can
go from desert
> > with Saguaro cactus to high mountains where plants can't
grow.
> >
>
> You can go out and sit. Then sooner or later you will see real
> wildlife. Bear, Cats, Owls, Deer, Elk, Horses, Bighorn, and
many more.
> It's the one place on earth you can go and be just one. Like
Jack said
> fish, and water you can drink right from the stream. We have
our old
> areas also. Pituregraphs, carvings, and much more. It's a place
that
> you can be in the old way by building a shadehouse and be in
harmony
> or go to a NA-IH-ES like our people have done from the time
before
> time.
>
> piishii
>
Hey, you guys sound a little biased in your opinions here...:-)
Actually, my favorite places in the country are places where I
can go sit and watch the real world without the sounds of
airplanes, cars, trucks, etc. I used to have a few places like
that in NC, but those are disappearing. I have a few like that
in Colorado, but it takes me 2 to 3 hours to get to them from
Denver....maybe I have my retirement to NC or CO all wrong...your
place sounds much nicer now. Especially the trout fishing. That
was my favorite weekend activity when I was growing up in
Wisconsin. We had a few spots where we could walk for the entire
day without ever hearing the sounds of the modern world and the
trout were plentiful and huge!
JRWolf
Mike
Hi JR
Those places are slowly going away as more people are moving in. Even
in the driest places they are moving in replacing wildlife to put in
golf courses and shopping. On the east coast now it's becoming wall to
wall condos for those that have the money. After all is gone how long
would it take for the earth to regenerate.
Mike
JRWolf
>
> Hi JR
>
> Those places are slowly going away as more people are moving
in. Even
> in the driest places they are moving in replacing wildlife to
put in
> golf courses and shopping. On the east coast now it's becoming
wall to
> wall condos for those that have the money. After all is gone
how long
> would it take for the earth to regenerate.
>
> Mike
Yeah, it breaks my heart every time I find another one of my
quiet spots has died. I don't know how long it will take the
earth to regenerate once the fleas are off her back, but I sure
would like to find out...
JRWolf
Sunsite
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
>I don't know that area very well...only know a few people who live
>there...but it is my understanding that Washington and Oregon both have
>natives who would prefer the Californians not come to their states for fear
>that they will mess them up as badly as they did California.
I haven't seen such a sign in a long time, but I remember the "Don't
Californicate Oregon" message. All my California expatriate friends
give me a place to visit in all surrounding states. In a short while
I'm going to Nevada again to visit 2 such folks.
Sunsite
>Those places are slowly going away as more people are moving in. Even
>in the driest places they are moving in replacing wildlife to put in
>golf courses and shopping. On the east coast now it's becoming wall to
>wall condos for those that have the money. After all is gone how long
>would it take for the earth to regenerate.
Where I am was so isolated for years and years. It isn't any more.
Trying to project what great area will stay that way in the long run
is impossible. You even might think in terms of going quite far out
and away, but then you'll just wind up with a nuclear waste dump in
your backyard. The relatively undeveloped Dakotas wound up with
ballistic missle silos.
With development comes the neurotic rushed atmosphere as people
struggle to fill non-material needs with material goods. It's the
stressed and rushed atmosphere that I hate so much.
Lane Baldwin
"Shawnie" <c...@XschizoaffectiveX.org> wrote in message
:
: On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:48:24 -0500, in alt.native "Lane Baldwin"
<la...@bluethunder.org> wrote:
:
: >
: >"Ponteach1" <pont...@aol.com> wrote in message
:
:
: There is a lot of stuff on this ng that is VERY offensive and hurtful to
persons who have been
: diagnosed with mental illness. I mentioned it here before only to be
teased and harassed to the
: point that I decided it was just not worth it.
Shawnie,
I ask this in earnest -- do you have a better name for people who roam the
highways and byways looking for someone to pick up and molest in one way or
another? The term I used came to mind from David Bryne's song of the same
title...mainly because I've been speaking to family lately about the DC
snipers (lots of family and close friends around there.)
BTW, I have family and close friends who battle mental illness. I have
spoken with them about this kind of stuff, and to a person, they agree that
it is a waste of energy to get upset every time someone says to another "are
you crazy?" or some such. Just a thought.
But I am truly interested in your answer to my question above. INteresting
article you posted, as well. I've saved that one to send to others.
wr,
Lane
:
: Shawnie
: http://www.schizoaffective.org
:
:
JRWolf
While I lived in Colorado, the same sentiment was being
expressed. I couldn't begin to tell you how many beautiful
mountainsides I watched get clear cut and then developed to
accommodate the influx of Californians!
JRWolf