Tibetan resistance veterans need our help!!
The Greenwood is Magic
The veterans of this Tibetan resistance campaign, the Defenders of the
Faith...
http://www.chushigangdruk.org/history/index.html
...now elderly and living in exile in Nepal have been abondoned by
they're previous charitable doners - The Uk's Help the Aged:
http://www.helptheaged.org.uk/en-gb
Please see what you can do do to change Help the Aged's mind or assist
this warriors in any way you can including networking this info.
The Tibet Relief Fund...
http://www.tibetrelieffund.co.uk/
....has a current campaign (not shown on thier website at this time)
running for them, but I do feel that Help the Aged should restore
their assistance.
All the best!
Blessings
Jim
Red Cloud
wrote:
Buy DVD. It's worth watching. I watched dozen of Tibetan Documentary
on film.
So much better than watching garbage Hollywood film.
Red Cloud
Why save Tibetan? Please ask question. Why Tibetan need to be save.
Forget the
liberalism response here. What I've learned from them is they still
carry the purest of humanness. Tibetans are not like any Asian peole
I've known. Due to their
nomadic environoment or result of the 900 yr spiritual education
system or both.
Dalai Lama clearly expressed that only their culture/people can be
survived it does
not matter governed by Chinese. He was right. He wants the people/
culture to survive. It is the people/culture truly make them who they
are will carry the tradition. And that tradition they learned is
from spiritual education system.
Tibet is actually educated nation unlike any westernised industrial
nation.
At the essence of Tibetan culture is where the closest of humanness
lies.
Tibet is more than about surviving mother nature. Tibetans are
educated people!
jos boersema
Typical "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," I've heard some NA Indians
have fought for reactionary forces in middle America (against the
Sandinistas) because of ideological blahblah.
The Tibetan "ideology" is horrid, it is 'buddhism,' buddhism more
bullshit. This is what Buddhism essentially is:
- There was some ruling gang of criminals, who had a hideout in the form
of a Palace, where they took all the loot they robbed from the people.
- One of their sons had a great life and had no idea people where
suffering terrible from being robbed and looted and oppressed by this
gang.
- He ventured outside and said: "oh, but your suffering is not a
problem, it is all between your ears, now sit in a corner, pretend
there is not a problem in the world, and focus on your breathing;
this world will always be suffering, the only hope is to escape to
another dimension."
It is a trick to keep the people enslaved. The Tibetan ruling gangs
apparently saw that trick and also used it. The great thing about it is
that the more the people suffer, they more the focus their hope on that
empty story, never actually revolting and overthrowing the looking gangs
that oppress them.
Even the Roman white people are not as backwards as that, at least they
still say they adhere to forms of democracy (very weak forms of
democracy, such as you see all in the western world, but still it is
something, better then oppression by a hereditary monarchy.)
The Chinese, though they have a great scholarly tradition and so on,
Confucius, they have been ruled by an oppressive Emperor for millenia;
now they are ruled by a one party-gang. Many if not most/all of the
eastern asian people, though they are nice people and friendly and so
on, they have not managed to make democratic state systems that work.
In Afrika, there may have been many tribes who have managed to live
under a village elders system, hence they managed; but many didn't
manage well and where also ruled by brutal kings and they waged many
wars.
There are not many tribes / people who have managed to achieve good
things in their state system. Israel never achieved a good state system
either, no 'christian' nation either (best thing they ever did was Roman
Republic, and that's not good at all.)
Also you shouldn't believe all the blabla stories about ancient tribes
you don't know intimately, because western anthropologist like to make
up nonsense as if other tribes did so well. Some may have, many did not.
As far as I can tell the red Indians on the North American Continent
have great state systems (NOT excluding the middle American indians,
who did terribly bad, even worse then the white people ever have apparently.)
The white people are just another set of tribes, we are native to
Europe, apparently we came from the central asian planes and moved to
Europe and then where pushed further by the Hun tribe from central asia
or Mongolia. These European/Northern tribes, (alt.)Native to Europe by
the way, had their own forms of simple democracy: they tended to choose
a leader. The tribes living in Poland up to quite recently (a few
centuries ago) had certain peoples gatherings that had power.
Unfortunately it never really amounted to much or did much good (what
kind of leader do a ruthles gang of agression oriented people choose?).
The European tribes obviously developed ships and guns, then set out to
conquer the world; this in stark contrast to the chinese, who where
content to oppress their own people on their own continent.
My guess is that somewhat of a defining trait in tribes that do well in
their state system is the power of women. If that power is large or even
larger then that of the men, it may be a good sign. You do not see that
much, neither with these Tibetans. The Tibetans, for what I know,
oppressed their own people horribly.
I guess you want to find friends in other tribes against the Roman
agression ? There may be many tribes who also did well, but Tibetans or
asians in general aren't part of that. You'd have to search very hard to
find positive and well organized tribes.
It is a fairy tale that only the Europeans did bad, many tribes did bad,
for what I read about the Haudenosaunee history they in the more distant
past where also a very brutal people. Things start out not that great,
probably to do with the very distant past of humanity being violent. It
takes work to change it.
Tibet in an educated nation ?! lol. Yeah, very skilled in confusing the
people and robbing them blind. Dalai Lama boy just wants to get back on
the throne, be worshipped and get rich. The Tibetan may in fact do
better under Chinese opression then under Tibetan opression.
--
http://www.socialism.nl (native, from Holland)
YouPick
"jos boersema" <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:slrnhj90to...@localhost.localdomain...
Good words of *thought* Joe..Most will by now have been "wasted" on Our
Village Clown (rc).
:)
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Peter Terpstra
> Tibet in an educated nation ?! lol. Yeah, very skilled in confusing the
> people and robbing them blind. Dalai Lama boy just wants to get back on
> the throne, be worshipped and get rich. The Tibetan may in fact do
> better under Chinese opression then under Tibetan opression.
CCP propagnda!!!
The facts are not know by China's criminal CCP, but by the Tibetans.
They tell a total different story then the CCP does.
CCP has no human face, we know that all!
Wishing for an end to communist terror!
Peter
--
Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:
http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china
Peter Terpstra
fac34b...@r10g2000prb.googlegroups.com> :
> Tibet is more than about surviving mother nature. Tibetans are
> educated people!
Right on!
Kendall K Down
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Red Cloud <mmdi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tibet is actually educated nation unlike any westernised industrial
> nation.
Tibetans were ignorant, dirty, mostly illiterate, supertitious
savages. Since being exposed to the West they have improved to a
certain extent, though still bound by superstition and fear.
Having said that much, Tibetans are also cheerful, optimistic,
friendly and kind (so, of course, are most people in the world on a
one-to-one basis). Chinese imperialists who invaded Tibet back in the
1950s and still hold it in an oppressive grip should be opposed at
every opportunity.
Ken Down
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wrote:
> In message <b88b9e96-7532-4411-9b84-fac34b730...@r10g2000prb.googlegro
> ups.com>
> Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Tibet is actually educated nation unlike any westernised industrial
> > nation.
>
> Tibetans were ignorant, dirty, mostly illiterate, supertitious
> savages. Since being exposed to the West they have improved to a
> certain extent, though still bound by superstition and fear.
>
And you are very clean and very knowledgeable, literate, God-loving,
humble, and happy-puppy since you are First World whitey
> Having said that much, Tibetans are also cheerful, optimistic,
> friendly and kind (so, of course, are most people in the world on a
> one-to-one basis). Chinese imperialists who invaded Tibet back in the
> 1950s and still hold it in an oppressive grip should be opposed at
> every opportunity.
>
> Ken Down
>
Ken Down is obvious is just another dumb White racist moronic ass
trying
to pin down Chinese or (any asian) by every opportunity he gets. This
is a typical way American-born white supremacist trying to put down
Asian people by using other Asian. For example, I've heard of white
race hating Japanese by perpetuating lie after lies. I won't buy it
white race lie. I won't buy white race
propaganda. Who gonna buy another dumb shitty white race at his word
of hateful, anger and frustration he has grown up in his white shitty
culture and society? This is thing I don't see in Tibetan culture
which they have learned from spiritual education.
Red Cloud
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.native.]
Listen to all!
Chairman Mao Jos Boersema Stalin is born again!
Two worst megalomaniac killers in world history:
1. Chairman Mao Taetung - Responsible for killing 30 millions peasants
2. Joseph Stalin - responsible for killing 20 millions Russians and
30 other national citizen.
The Greenwood is Magic
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thats nice of you to say so Red Cloud...i think...
The Greenwood is Magic
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.native.]
>
> - Show quoted text -
You forget obout the occult
The Greenwood is Magic
...Ken, the computer internet version of the prion.
The Greenwood is Magic
Kenneth is a mor-rrrron, kenneth is a morrrrrrr-rrrrrrrron.
Contray to reports old Tibet was not uniformally a non violent nivara.
Life for nomads for example was touch - being on the alert constantly.
These were anutonous tribal people akin to the Pashtun - but with
different religion/occult thing. Depends a lot on what protection one
is under - a point the Chinese communist have ruthlessly
extlpointed...I mean as well as doing stuff like incestuous peado. Yes
really fuking commy idiots. A pyscopathic hysterial driven partically
by ritual abuse. So stop promoting the red star freeked out fools.
This is the tribal areas to the east and north east of Tibet. Tibetan
tribal areas, Amdo and Kham.
A lot of people need tpo do a lot of reading on this issue. I might
compile a reading booklist etc here: http://www.phayul.com/index.aspx
The Greenwood is Magic
...and they kowtowed to freeked out mason robot bwitish wierdos like
you Ken? (after being forced at point of Arms).
British Bully 1-2-3!
Peter Terpstra
> Tibetans were ignorant, dirty, mostly illiterate, supertitious
> savages. Since being exposed to the West they have improved to a
> certain extent, though still bound by superstition and fear.
Western ignorant view :-) but I don't blame you, since almost everyone seems
to be poisoned with materialistic views.
In spiritual way they where highly scholastic and practical trained.
> Having said that much, Tibetans are also cheerful, optimistic,
> friendly and kind (so, of course, are most people in the world on a
> one-to-one basis). Chinese imperialists who invaded Tibet back in the
> 1950s and still hold it in an oppressive grip should be opposed at
> every opportunity.
Off course, Tibetans have the right to self determination, to be free from
fear of Chinese HR abuses and I hope for some day that they get back their
land.
jos boersema
> On Dec 25, 1:23�am, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Tibet in an educated nation ?! lol. Yeah, very skilled in confusing the
>> people and robbing them blind. Dalai Lama boy just wants to get back on
>> the throne, be worshipped and get rich. The Tibetan may in fact do
>> better under Chinese opression then under Tibetan opression.
>> --http://www.socialism.nl(native, from Holland)
>
> Listen to all!
>
> Chairman Mao Jos Boersema Stalin is born again!
>
> Two worst megalomaniac killers in world history:
> 1. Chairman Mao Taetung - Responsible for killing 30 millions peasants
> 2. Joseph Stalin - responsible for killing 20 millions Russians and
> 30 other national citizen.
Are you trying to declare me an enemy of the people, based on fabricated
evidence and guilt by association ?
If so, those where the strategies of Mao and Stalin; who is the Maoist
or Stalinist here. For the record: I disagree probably with everything
that is Maoist or Stalinist. Both do not formulate proper law systems,
both seem to think eternal class war is a way of life (always needing an
opposing class to fight, if none exist make one up.) Both had/wanted
absolute power. Both where influenced a lot by the ignorant ideas of
K.Marx, who thought trade as such was bad (everything had to be
planned.)
Just because both A.Smidth had it wrong (with his trade everything,
including land and money), and K.Marx had it wrong, and Stalin and Mao
did and had it wrong, doesn't mean that therefore this Buddism has it
right.
Ask yourselve this red cloud: why do the western governments promote this
Tibet bullshit ? Why do they make movies and tell their people to
support the Dalalama ? Why do they massage the people into supporting this
Tibet thing ?
Have they ever done that with the Haudenosaunee ? Have they made movies
and promote their beliefs with the western people ? Sure they made some
movies (where they positive, had content?), but nothing happened. I
guess the answer is: the western governments like to use Tibet as a
weapon against the Chinese CCP gang, to rally their people and warm
them for a potential war. It is essential to have your people hate the
enemy before launching a war on them. Then this buddhist scam could
maybe take hold in the west and delude people, just as in the east.
It is also a distraction for local/national problems, and it says ''look
at the people overthere, they have it very bad so don't complaign while
we rob your treasury at the tune of 250,000,000,000,- Euro (as they did
in Holland, fwik.)''
Rome is a dangerous enemy, very skilled at merging and massaging itself
into an enemy culture, take it over, corrupt it, etc etc. They did it
from Rome millenia ago, they do it today on the red nations; my guess is
if Rome doesn't fall they will defeat you. You touch then, ask anything
from Rome: they will have you. What they touch they corrupt. You depend
on them ? Your culture may be a dead shell in 3 generations.
Peter Terpstra
> Are you trying to declare me an enemy of the people, based on fabricated
> evidence and guilt by association ?
You dumbass!!!
Communism has been the MOST evil religion ever invented!
Oppressive, hostile, inhuman...
Communism is purely based on LIES.
Communist Body Count
Scott Manning
December 4, 2006
The following estimates represent citizens killed or starved to death by their
own Communist governments since 1918. These numbers do not include war dead.
The governments are sorted by body count (highest to lowest).
All numbers are mid-estimates.
While this list is as complete as I have been able to determine, it is
evolving. Some numbers are incomplete and there are still five Communist
countries that have the potential to kill more of their citizens. Over the
next year, each government will be profiled in detail on this website.
A detailed bibliography is listed at the end of this page. Feedback is more
than welcome.
Communist Body Count: 149,469,610
Details:
http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/archives/communistbodycount.php
Peter
(A different Linux user from Holland)
--
Dhammapada number 131:
He who seeking his own happiness punishes or kills beings who also
long for happiness, will not find happiness after death. 131 He who
seeking his own happiness does not punish or kill beings who also long
for happiness, will find happiness after death. 132
[zaterdag 26 december 2009 21:21:36]
Kendall K Down
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
> Kendall K Down in <aff81dcf5...@diggingsonline.com> :
>> Tibetans were ignorant, dirty, mostly illiterate, supertitious
>> savages. Since being exposed to the West they have improved to a
>> certain extent, though still bound by superstition and fear.
> Western ignorant view :-) but I don't blame you, since almost everyone seems
> to be poisoned with materialistic views.
> In spiritual way they where highly scholastic and practical trained.
Which, when you look into it, means that they had a highly rigid and
formalised system of superstition. Platoons of demons, several hundred
hells, and keep the peasants poor by making them support thousands of
non-working monks.
Kendall K Down
> Who gonna buy another dumb shitty white race at his word
> of hateful, anger and frustration he has grown up in his white shitty
> culture and society? This is thing I don't see in Tibetan culture
> which they have learned from spiritual education.
White culture and society? I grew up in India and for holidays we went
up to Kalimpong, on the border of Tibet and with a large Tibetan
population. Once or twice a week we heard bells jingling past and
would run up the drive to watch a mule caravan setting out to take
Western goods into Tibet. Whenever our holidays coincided with the
Tibetan New Year we would go to the local monastery to watch the
celebrations.
Now, tell me what you know about Tibet and this "spiritual education"
about which you blather.
jos boersema
> jos boersema in <slrnhjcdlg...@localhost.localdomain> :
>> Are you trying to declare me an enemy of the people, based on fabricated
>> evidence and guilt by association ?
>
> You dumbass!!!
Thank you for your hospitable attitude towards someone with a different
opinion then your own.
> Communism has been the MOST evil religion ever invented!
Marxism is rather dumb, I agree, although not ill intended as such.
> Oppressive, hostile, inhuman...
> Communism is purely based on LIES.
Everything can corrupt, especially that which lends itself well for
corruption, such as marxist theory.
> Communist Body Count
What is the body-count of Kingship ?
What is the body-count of the jesus-cult ?
What is the body-count of parliamentary democracy (under which the 1st
and second world wars where fought, and which ruled the later stages of
colonialism, and under which the American Indians where slaughtered) ?
etc etc.
If I write 'peacekeeper' on my helmet and start opressing people, what
is the body-count of peace ? If I call myself Justice and rule with an
iron fist, what is the body-count of justice ?
If you succeed in thwarting my plans, what would be your body count
because Roman parliamentarism and Capitalism (which is free sale of
goods and services under the oppression of capital, also free sale of
money and land and slave-groups aka companies) continue who'se body count
is high, by the way, assuming my plan would cause fewer death and less
opression once done (which imho looks relatively promising) ?
What do you want to have done in the world and in particular your
nation. Go on with Rome, everything is fine, dead and oppressed people
don't matter ? Something else ?
[...]
--
http://www.socialism.nl
TE Cheah
countries ( like Kuwait & Saudi were in 1-91 ), but they don't
have Kuwait / Saudi 's money to pay for a rescue.
Even if western countries use force ( @ their own expense ) to
evict china, who will defend tibet f-o-c perpetually from a re-
invasion from china ? Defense is costly : western countries are
already busy in Afghanistan & Iraq.
These tibetans will not kill their invaders, so cannot stop a re-
invasion. They lie flat on their tummies to pray to their god,
some repeat 1000x from rural towns to capital ( shows me how
stupid they are ), then they can ask they god to evict china's
troops. Invasions are all done by dictators, these tibetans were
already too stupid in 1951 to anticipate an invasion from china.
Their religion presumes every1 has a utopia to live in. I'm sick
of watching their protests ; stupid buddhists ( same in Burma )
cannot be pious ( refuse to kill ) yet expect to live in freedom
like people in 1st world ( who will kill their enemies ) do.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> let alone their human enemies. They want a rescue by western
> countries ( like Kuwait & Saudi were in 1-91 ), but they don't
> have Kuwait / Saudi 's money to pay for a rescue.
>
> Even if western countries use force ( @ their own expense ) to
> evict china, who will defend tibet f-o-c perpetually from a re-
> invasion from china ? Defense is costly : western countries are
> already busy in Afghanistan & Iraq.
Tibet expelled Chinese forces in 1913.
> These tibetans will not kill their invaders, so cannot stop a re-
> invasion.
This claims:
In 1917, the Tibetan army marched eastward and invaded the border area
of Sichuan and Xikang provinces on a large scale; in 1918, the Tibetan
forces bloodily put down protests by people in Trido Zong (present-day
Dengqen County) who had filed a petition against excessive corvée
labor and taxes;
http://www.bjreview.com.cn/photos/txt/2009-03/21/content_178833.htm
Kendall K Down
"TE Cheah" <4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> let alone their human enemies. They want a rescue by western
> countries ( like Kuwait & Saudi were in 1-91 ), but they don't
> have Kuwait / Saudi 's money to pay for a rescue.
Tibetan Khampa warriors have no compunctions about taking life - were,
in fact, perhaps a little too ready to kill to be really trusted by
their own government. They were defeated because they had neither the
manpower nor the modern weapons China could deploy in the 1950s (and
same is still true today).
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