The Communist Manifesto
O'Brien
and man than naked self-interest, than callous 'cash payment'. It has
drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of
chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water
of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into
exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefensible chartered
freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom - Free Trade.
In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political
illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal
exploitation."
- Karl Marx
1848, The Communist Manifesto
oldwifetale
Here is the "New World Order" when everything is finally said and
done.
The 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land
to public purposes. (Karl Marx: "You are horrified at our intending to
do away with your private property. Precisely so, that is just what we
intend.")
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a
national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the
hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the
State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the
improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial
armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual
abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more
equable distribution of population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of
children's factory labor *in its present form*. Combination of
education with industrial production, etc.
Monica
So what is better in the fable of "American Democracy?"
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Both are incorrect obviously - mainstream rubbish. Bizarre.... old
Marx waxing lyrical about religious fervour - I mean, my god thats
ridiculas, communists are deadly to auspicious consciousness - sacred
space trashers. You have the key (Native Americans), or at least you
did before Donnas ancestors arrived and sent you a bit skitzo.
Monica
Who's skitzo?
oldwifetale
I'm not taking the defensive due to some form of 'patriotism' - not at
all. But at least the Bill of Rights and the Constitution 'allows'
change to be made by individuals. Communism doesn't, no matter how
much they want to say that 'the people' determine everything. It is a
big fat lie. Do you think that Makah 'whaling' would be permitted in a
communist nation simply because it is tradition? Or Sun Dance? There
is no way. Under our system, those things have been prohibited, but
under Constitutional Law they can still be revived again, and *are*
being revived. That can't happen under the Communist regime. It would
go down, and never come up again.
And as much as i despise the way xtian people have shoved their
religion on others, is it any more *right* to prohibit them from
practicing their traditions privately than it is to prohibit yours? Do
you see what i'm saying, Monica? Those are just a *few* reasons. I am
not trying to butt heads with you here because i honestly think both
of us have our hearts in the right place (at least to our own way of
thinking); i'm just saying that i feel Communism is an even more
restrictive and heartless form of government than what we have - not
that what we have is in any way a perfect form of government. Far from
it.
oldwifetale
Ahem... excuse me for butting in here, but don't you have european
ancestors too?
Monica
The constitution allows change if it benefits the ruling class. That
is all. People of color in this country know we are not free. It is
only white people that are still living under the delusion that this
country is any different than you perceive communism to be.
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Mine stayed here colonialist.
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Donna you are unbelievable - you just will not fuking well accept the
reality of the deeply evil nature of western states/governments/
hierachy...maybe its all that infant school flag waving type
programming, maybe you really a FBI placement. (keep it normal, keep
it straight, USA's ok really, diss out the ritual child abuse
whistleblower, etc etc etc). Actually I think that you're just an
American egoiser personnally.
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..you claim to 'know'...and then you turn round and praise the USA
order. In other words you don't really know, egosier...and not only
don't you 'know' but you will just not fuking well let go, you have to
'win' the argument, you will not back off. America skitz of an
egoiser. Now back off you fuking headcase. The USA is pure poison by
ritual design.
Note by the way Monica, how I'm 'using' Earth First! against Donna
here. (thats what I meant by at least borderline skitz, ok?)
oldwifetale
Mmmhmmm... i suppose the atlantic ocean caused the metamorphisis of
europeans into colonialists in some strange and mysterious way that
had nothing to do with your British rule.
oldwifetale
I believe *you* were the one diagnosed as schizophrenic, Amdo/Jim.
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> Note by the way Monica, how I'm 'using' Earth First! against Donna
> here. (thats what I meant by at least borderline skitz, ok?)
Gee, with friends like you, how could anyone go wrong? :)
Btw - do you *really* want to try "using" anything on me again? You
know what happened last time. That wasn't very fun for you, was it?
Email is not the only thing that can 'bounce back'.
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...see what i mean! You just won't let it go will you egoising
american lunatic? Unreal. You wankers definlty deserved some real
bacak magic (9/11). And you'll be up for much much worse than that.
GO SUE THE CREATOR
(now let it go you fuking headcase)
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> I believe *you* were the one diagnosed as schizophrenic, Amdo/Jim.
Scurrelous cunt.
Any play is acceptable to prevent the awareness of the deep sickness
that is america from being realised by people, eh america skitz?
(now back off american lunatic)
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> Btw - do you *really* want to try "using" anything on me again?
(laughter) thats what you deserve Donna - you're a pathogenic american
egosier. America is poison. End of story. Stop defending that abuse
regime fool or else you'll have karma for that. Thats the way it works
at the end of the day,
>You know what happened last time. That wasn't very fun for you, was it?
Yes I guess $300000 can be kinda a bummer :)
I would advise you to not wind me up (anymore) about the abuse that
happened to my ex Donna.
(now back off American headcase)
oldwifetale
> On Jun 3, 2:58 pm, oldwifetale <oldwifet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Btw - do you *really* want to try "using" anything on me again?
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> (laughter) thats what you deserve Donna
You weren't laughing when you went off the deep end, 'Jim'. Talk about
'karma'. :)
Does 'earth-first' know about your "black magick"?
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> On Jun 3, 8:06 am, "OM SHIVA!108" <grimus...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > On Jun 3, 2:58 pm, oldwifetale <oldwifet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Btw - do you *really* want to try "using" anything on me again?
>
> > (laughter) thats what you deserve Donna
>
> You weren't laughing when you went off the deep end, 'Jim'. Talk about
> 'karma'. :)
In a sense this is whats so out of order with how you are, what you
are doing Donna.I.e: The appropriate reaction to evidence of
governmental ritual child abuse is huge solidarity AND NOT SILLY
FUKING HEAD GAMES IDIOT.
> Does 'earth-first' know about your "black magick"?
Ok, lets refer back to how this row started:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/msg/215d89fc2bd0bb16?dmode=source
"How dare you say nasty things about america werica" (sulk)
I rest my case.
oldwifetale
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> "How dare you say nasty things about america werica" (sulk)
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> I rest my case.
The only case i am dealing with here is a head-case. So keep your
black hooey to yourself; craziness is no excuse.
Monica
When has the Bill of Rights or the Constitution benefited anyone but
the ruling class elite? We were prisoners of war until 1924 when they
rammed citizenship down our throats. All Amerikans had freedom of
religion except us. We didn't get that until 1978 when Carter signed
the freedom of Indian religion act. There is no difference between
what you are attributing to communism and what the people of this
country have done to us.
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....(in other words) "thats not true what you said about america
werrica, you're mentally ill"
You're scum Donna...totally scurrelous, totally determined..in your
defence of the American scum regime/order.
Fuk you and your country Donna.
oldwifetale
So much for resting your casey-wasey.