Racism Against Native Americans Must Be Addressed
Monica
Racism Against Native Americans Must Be Addressed
CommentsA column by Raina Kelley, an African American lady, in
Newsweek Magazine, caught my eye this week. She wrote about the code
words used to hide the racism that seems to be permeating the American
scene.
Less known in most of America, but well known to Native Americans, is
the covert racism that afflicts those Americans with "red skin" as
opposed to black.
Let me substitute the word "redskin" for the word "black skin" from
one paragraph in Kelley's commentary. "Red skin has meant something
very specific in this country for hundreds of years. It has meant
'less than,' 'not as good as,' 'separate than,' and even 'equal to.'"
And in those regions of the United States we call "Indian country,"
there are few Natives who have not experienced the covert, and
oftentimes overt, symptoms of racism. To many easterners coming out
west to experience a close encounter of the first kind with "Indians,"
it is so easy for them to slip into using the captivating term, "our
Indians." It is almost as if Indians are property, albeit human
property, to be possessed by those who would observe, pity, assist or
praise them as figments of a vanishing race. Indians can then be
safely relegated to the role of mascots for America's fun and games.
They can then be honored for what "they used to be" not for what they
are today in modern America. They become warriors, chiefs, redskins
and braves, everything but human beings.
White national columnists seldom, if ever, write about Native
Americans. If they do, it is usually, perhaps unintentionally, to
denigrate, much in the fashion of a George Will or a William Safire,
rest his soul. An Andy Rooney can use the most racist of terms in
describing Indians on 60 Minutes without ruffling a white feather.
Like Raina Kelly, many Native Americans are "mad as hell" and they
aren't going to take it anymore. Like the movie that coined this
phrase, it is easily said, but hard to implement. Why? America does
not want to hear about Indians. Native Americans should be left in the
pages of history books or in old Western movies. America is not ready
for the "tame" Indian yet because there are still many "shoot'um up"
Western movies on the horizon and Americans do not want to destroy
this false image with reality.
But let a few Natives occupy a peaceful village like Wounded Knee and
the press shows up in droves. Visions of "shoot'um up" scenes of the
cavalry (FBI) and Indians flood the stories they send back to the home
office. The renegades waving rifles in the air make the nightly news.
Just what is racism? Some of it is indeed hateful and meant to hurt.
Other aspects of it are strictly from ignorance. "You can't change
stupid," was in the title of a column written for Native Sun News by
Elizabeth Cook-Lynn, a member of the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe, a couple
of weeks ago. Liz has seen the top and the bottom of racism not only
in South Dakota, but in all of America. At times it has made her
bitter and understandably so. Like me she gets angry and frustrated in
having to explain right and wrong to non-Indians over and over and
over, ad nauseum. But how are we going to change stupid if we don't
keep trying?
My weekly column on indianz.com, nativetimes.com, or on Pechanga.net,
is read mostly by Native Americans who know Native America and respond
accordingly. But I find it terribly frustrating trying to figure out
the readership on huffingtonpost.com, where my weekly column also
appears. I run into a totally different kind of audience at
Huffington. For the most part I am dealing with ignorance, but it
seems to be an ignorant audience that not only does not want to learn,
but also does not give a damn about Native Americans. Now that is
frustrating. But please do not think I mean all readers of the
Huffington Post, because there are some that are extremely
knowledgeable and don't mind pointing out any mistake I might make.
Raina Kelley wrote a powerful column that pulled no punches. She is
angry at a white America that pretends or fails to understand (this is
the ignorance I mean, not a book ignorance) that there is an
onslaught, or maybe I should say an abundance, of racism today and
much of it appears to be pointed at President Barack Obama.
No one really wants to say it and those that have said it have found
themselves lambasted to the umpteenth degree.
Let me conclude with, yes, there is racism against Native Americans in
much of America and like the racism against African Americans; it
needs to be dragged out from under the rug and addressed.
(Tim Giago, an Oglala Lakota, is the publisher of Native Sun News. He
was the founder and first president of the Native American Journalists
Association, the 1985 recipient of the H. L. Mencken Award, and a
Nieman Fellow at Harvard with the Class of 1991. Giago was inducted
into the South Dakota Newspaper Hall of Fame in 2008. He can be
reached at edi...@nsweekly.com)
lizzy
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-giago/racism-against-native-ame_b_3...
Welcome back Monica!!
The biggest problems for white America is that Native Americans are
treated as insignificant by our political system....outside of Wounded
Knee II since it is such a polarizing subject...has Giago ever spoken
about the FBI's lack of investigation of crimes against Indians? Giago
seems to have contempt for Indians. One week Giago is criticizing
Indians....the next he complains about whites not ready for the "tame
Indian"??? Don't get it . The reason the press ran to report on
Wounded Knee had nothing to do with Indians suffering but more along
the lines as why there is 24 hour coverage of a hurricane. That he
thinks whites don't accept "tame Indians" is ludicrous...I can assure
you that is the ONLY Indian that is accepted on a whole by
whites...the Indians who have been colonized and do things OUR way.
The Indians who have PULLED THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOT STRAPS. In
fact in many ways when whites encounter or hear about successfully
assimilated Indians it is an excuse to have further contempt for
Indians who are unable to assimilate. And because these whites know
ONE Indian they couldn't possibly be racist!! And if that ONE Indian
is ashamed or critical of those not doing so well on the
reservation... that is a whole different hurdle. Either whites will
wake up or they won't.
Someone put up another article that Tim Giago wrote about someone
named Arvol Looking Horse and the ineffectiveness of his ceremonies.
Here is a response to Tim Giago and his criticism of Native
ceremonies...It may have already been posted here I have missed a lot
lately...my apologies if this is the case.
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/archive/2009_10_01_archive.htm
Giago: Native religions don't work
What good are the ceremonies if they cannot save a people?
By Tim Giago
I look around Indian Country and I see the devastation and
degradation, the hopelessness, the alcoholism, the drug addiction, the
lack of respect for the elders, the many suicides among the young, the
criminal acts of the gangs that now roam our reservations bringing
death and severe moral damage to entire communities, the domestic
violence, the abuse of children and spouses, and the total
renunciation of any spirituality, and I am deeply concerned. I see the
epidemics of diabetes, heart disease and cancer among the Lakota and I
am very concerned.
I see tribal members attending sweats and Sun Dances and then heading
to the nearest bar or smoking a joint and I wonder how they can be
such hypocrites. And then they sit around and brag about the sacrifice
they believe they just made.
Arvol, why are the sacred rites you represent not being used to bring
our own people back from the brink? Why aren't they being used to
bring back the good health our people once enjoyed? Why is there an
unemployment rate of 80 percent on the lands you call home? Why is
there such a high rate of STDs and teen pregnancies in Lakota country?
What good does it do to speak out and criticize an event that happened
in Sedona, Arizona when it had no lasting impact upon the Sioux
people? Aren't there terrible things happening in our own homelands,
right under our noses, to worry about and try to change?
And:
If there is the power in the Sacred Pipe Bundle of the Lakota, bring
it out and use it before there is no longer a Lakota alive. There is a
story I heard about a religious organization in New England that spent
several years writing a Holy Bible in the language of a local tribe.
When the Bible was completed there were no more Indians of that tribe
left alive to read it.
It is good there is a Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle and a 19th
Keeper to bring it out and pray with it, but if this power cannot be
used to save a people, that can make every Lakota/Dakota/Nakota pour
that beer down the drain or dump that whiskey or wine on the ground or
to burn those drugs, what good is it?
Arvol, what is the ultimate goal of the Pipe you hold? Where is the
cleansing and healing power of inikaga (sweat lodge) if it is not to
be used now to save our own people?
Comment: Wow. It's not often you see a well-known Indian say his own
traditional religion is ineffective if not worthless. I'm an agnostic
with no belief in religion, but even I wouldn't say anything like
this.
Where Giago went wrong
Giago's screed seems wrongheaded for several reasons. Arvol Looking
Horse or someone might respond as follows:
# The Lakota religion is intended to address spiritual needs, not
material needs. Many of the problems on reservations are caused by the
lack of jobs and healthcare, not the failure of religion. You can pray
all you want, but the Creator won't necessarily deliver a factory or
clinic within driving distance.
# The Lakota religion may alleviate problems without solving them
completely. Suppose 50% of the people are poor, lost, alcoholic, etc.
Maybe 75% would've been poor and so forth without the religion.
That would be a huge achievement even if the problems persisted.
There's no way of knowing how effective the religion is without doing
a controlled study or experiment.
# Smoking a joint or heading to the nearest bar aren't necessarily
problems. Giago's point would be more valid if he saw someone leave a
sweat and immediately start abusing his family or taking hard drugs.
# If the religion isn't working, it may mean people aren't listening
to the teachings and following them correctly. That's a problem with
all religions and belief systems, not merely the Lakota religion. The
Catholicism Giago grew up with has exactly the same shortcoming.
You could say the world's problems would be solved if everyone
followed the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you. But saying it won't make it happen. And the lack of
compliance doesn't invalidate the worthiness of the rule. It only
suggests that words aren't enough--that they require actions to match.
Sweat lodges = waste of time?
I guess Giago thinks Looking Horse is wasting time talking about the
James Ray case when he could be doing something else. A few thoughts
on that:
1) Looking Horse's statement probably took him a couple of hours to
produce. If it dissuades thousands of people from following New Age
charlatans and participating in dangerous sweats, I'd say that's a
good investment in time.
Giago's column took about the same amount of time to write. So Looking
Horse could turn around and write a column on the ineffectiveness of
Giago's columns. The Lakota are suffering and dying while Giago preens
and poses on the Huffington Post. How exactly has Giago's column saved
a single person?
2) I imagine Looking Horse, unlike Giago, is looking at the big
picture. Not participating in phony sweat lodges is related to
following traditional Native religions, which is related to living
clean and healthy lives. Not believing in New Age religions leads to
respecting Native religions, which leads to working for Native causes.
In other words, it's all connected. One thing leads to another which
leads to the ultimate goal of making the world a better place.
Criticizing New Age sweat lodges contributes to this as much as a
million other efforts. It contributes a lot more than such time-
wasting activities as raising a family, earning discretionary income,
or taking time off to enjoy oneself. Apparently Giago thinks no one
should do any of these things while people are suffering.
Who's the hypocrite?
3) Giago's concern is ludicrous when you consider all the time he's
spent denouncing the Washington Redskins and other team names and
mascots. Is that a more important issue than New Age sweat lodges? How
many people have Indian mascots killed? Does Giago seriously want to
debate who's wasting the most time on less important issues?
Giago and his ilk should really stop with this stupid "it's not
important" argument. Have these people never heard of multitasking?
Being concerned about one thing doesn't mean not being concerned about
other things. It's simple and commonplace to set one project in motion
and then work on others.
A Bill Gates could spend a billion dollars on providing jobs and
healthcare for Indians. He might delegate the task of helping Indian
country to a dozen foundations with a thousand employees. And then he
might spend a couple of hours writing an editorial on sweat lodges.
And...so? Is he the only one allowed to speak on this issue? Because
everyone who isn't a billionaire should devote 100% of his time to
becoming a billionaire? So he can do everything Bill Gates is doing?
Every second that Giago sits in a comfy chair writing editorials on
his computer is a second he isn't volunteering in a soup kitchen or
health clinic to help Indians directly. So it's funny that he's
denounced hypocrites in his article. By his standard, he's as
hypocritical as anyone.
For previous Giago columns that didn't save a single person, see
HuffPost Readers Ignorant About Indians, Obama Fated to Lose in 2012?,
and Blame Baker at Mt. Rushmore? In fact, see every column Giago has
ever written.
s�r`ch�sm
>
[quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
Flint_...@hotmail.com
> "lizzy" <lizzyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
>
> Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
BANANAZ...
lizzy dance fer BANANAZ...
cuz yanno...MONKEEZ LuuuuuuV BANANAZ...
Flint_...@hotmail.com
i meanz onlee da IDIOT MONKEE wo applawd a RACIST callin fer RACISM to
be address'...
jizt not ginst dem...
YouPick
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> > "lizzy" <lizzyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
>
> > Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
>
> BANANAZ...
>
> lizzy dance fer BANANAZ...
>
> cuz yanno...MONKEEZ LuuuuuuV BANANAZ...
i meanz onlee da IDIOT MONKEE wo applawd a RACIST callin fer RACISM to
be address'...
jizt not ginst dem...
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<
Everybody's got a wee bit of *racism* in them somewhere..nd those who say
they do not..?
Well they are sure are funny to read..when they write.
Somewhat like you FC..you are fun to read your words..cause I get this
picture of you talking like a Bugs-Bunny or Daffy-Duck...nd friends....
Butt...going past a real picture of *you* at say fifty or sixty...then *you*
look like all the rest of Humanity in a Blur...heading down the dead-end
road..!!!
Nd cause no body's come back from that dead-end-road...I suppose it's gotta
be bettern here.
wayne george :)
s�r`ch�sm
> "s�r`ch�sm" <s�r`ch�s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "lizzy" <lizzyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
>
> > Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
>
>BANANAZ...
>lizzy dance fer BANANAZ...
>cuz yanno...MONKEEZ LuuuuuuV BANANAZ...
>i meanz onlee da IDIOT MONKEE wo applawd a RACIST callin fer RACISM to
>be address'...
>jizt not ginst dem...
>
Instead seeing the monkey & banana thing as racist, it brought to mind an
organ-grinder and a monkey with a hat. Other than that, the irony is
sardonic.
Monica
What does the fbi pay you? LOL! No wonder these racist people without
color love you. You dance really well for them. I can see ol joe
playing a concertina, holding your leash, and you doing a cute little
jig for him. Dance tiny dancer dance! I'm going to have to dig up some
of your old willy bubba posts for your new buttbuddies. Should I wish
you a happy samhain too?
s�r`ch�sm
>
>these racist people without color love
>
Why does monica fabricate some imaginary group of albinos to attack with her
racism? Who will speak for these innocent albinos, )who would be annoyed by
monica's racism if there actually were such a group)? In Africa, they kill
many albinos due to 'traditional' superstitions; is that monica's racist
goal?
lizzy
> "lizzy" <lizzyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
>
> Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
???
I've seen people get upset with double postings...although I suspect
it depends on who you are...sort of like whose racism we choose to
recognize...
lizzy
You must be like me and miss a lot of posts...
Monica
Both are well written and bring up major issues for us. Too bad we
can't discuss them without disruption from kate and her crew. Giago
says some really good things and then he says some really stupid
things. I like Arvol Looking Horse in general. He was in trouble a
while ago because his white wife had inspired him to do some stupid
things. It was a big argument for a while on ndn-aim list. One of my
heroes is Chuck Trimble. He started the American Indian Press
Association. He and Giago have a life long verbal shoot out going. He
calls it WK111, Wounded knee three. I think Chuck Trimble is the
ultimate journalist. He is retired. He has a site where he posts his
articles and moderates a discussion list. I will post his articles,
two elves will post others. I can't disagree with his articles when
two elves posts them so I say nothing. Issues in Indian Country are
multifaceted and there are people on every side. The guy from blue
corn comics posts here. I like his blog too. He is Cherokee I think.
Thanks for the welcoming. I am sorry that you are being called names
simply because you are trying to be fair. In this backward world
called alt.native it mean you are doing a good job. I don't know how
to make a smiley. Consider one sent to you.
s�r`ch�sm
> Flint_Carr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >"s�r`ch�sm" <s�r`ch�s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "lizzy" <lizzyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > [quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
>
> > > Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
>
> > BANANAZ...
>
> > lizzy dance fer BANANAZ...
>
> > cuz yanno...MONKEEZ LuuuuuuV BANANAZ...
>
> i meanz onlee da IDIOT MONKEE wo applawd a RACIST callin fer RACISM to
> be address'...
>
> jizt not ginst dem...
>
>You must be like me and miss a lot of posts...
>
More accurately, you must miss quite a lot in general, (and not just because
of who you've killfiled).
s�r`ch�sm
> "s�r`ch�sm" <s�r`ch�s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "lizzy" <lizzyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [quite a load of sanctimonious, apologetic crap]
>
> Are you a paid propagandist or, are you doing it gratis?
>???
>
You know; are you paid or, you just shill for free?
>
>I've seen people get upset with double postings...although I suspect
>it depends on who you are...
>
Double posts don't upset me, which is why that wasn't mentioned - except by
you. Bad drivers upset me, you are merely a minor annoyance.
>
>sort of like whose racism we choose to recognize...
>
Do you mean like how you ignore monica's racism and selectively "choose to
recognize" that she doesn't flame your racial status because you kiss her
ass?
s�r`ch�sm
>
>Too bad we can't discuss them without disruption from
>kate and her crew.
>
Too bad that monica has to make garbage up, instead of taking out her own
racist garbage. No one prevents anyone else from discussing any topic on a
public, unmoderated NG. If someone perceives that a thread is being
interrupted by anyone else, (including a racist, fabricating, lying
"Elder"), then they can filter those posts and blithely pretend that they
don't lack the courage of their alleged convictions. So, carry on with your
hypocrisy of bemoaning racism on one hand while dishing out racism with the
other.
Monica
> "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> trolled:
horror stories if it is real. I thought not. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Flint_...@hotmail.com
>
>
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<
>
> Everybody's got a wee bit of *racism* in them somewhere..nd those who say
> they do not..?
> Well they are sure are funny to read..when they write.
> Somewhat like you FC..you are fun to read your words..cause I get this
> picture of you talking like a Bugs-Bunny or Daffy-Duck...nd friends....
> Butt...going past a real picture of *you* at say fifty or sixty...then *you*
> look like all the rest of Humanity in a Blur...heading down the dead-end
> road..!!!
> Nd cause no body's come back from that dead-end-road...I suppose it's gotta
> be bettern here.
>
> wayne george :)
wha...ya gonna ZAP me agin wityer WhooDooVooDoo?
me Still remember dat...
wha wazit?...da BANANAZ dat gotzya all feard up?
betta stick wit RC...he mo lika yer "league"...
fergitaboutit...
YouPick
Yous gots notin to fear from *me*
wayne george :)
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> Wee bit on the touchy side these days Flintski ?
donya WISH...
> Yous gots notin to fear from *me*
QWell DUH!
>
> wayne george :)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wayne George...alliz eatin SHIT N wonderin why hiz breath Stinks...
word is...ol Ray Money$ waz usin one o yer "pipes" in his Sweat
Lodges...
B dat Troo?
Flint_...@hotmail.com
i meanz...
You make "pipes" fer $$$$$$$$$
ray does Sweat Lodges for $$$$$$$$
seemz to Add up,...yup
YouPick
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donya WISH...
B dat Troo?
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What is or is not true..is on the lips of the speaker...
Why ..DUDES ..such as yerself,nd there be many..always walk around The Earth
, like they got a bur under their saddle is unbeknowns to me.
You *guys* walk n talk, like The World has some conspiracy against you n you
alone. It's like the Peter Principle...
Your good at tellin everyone else to get a LIFE..but forgot where you put
yours.
You are not alone :)
wayne george :)
Flint_...@hotmail.com
>
>
> What is or is not true..is on the lips of the speaker...
> Why ..DUDES ..such as yerself,nd there be many..always walk around The Earth
> , like they got a bur under their saddle is unbeknowns to me.
WHAT?!...ya meanz ya cain't SEE?...
> You *guys* walk n talk, like The World has some conspiracy against you n you
> alone. It's like the Peter Principle...
> Your good at tellin everyone else to get a LIFE..but forgot where you put
> yours.
> You are not alone :)
>
> wayne george :)
Right da FuckOn...wayne George spin dat Neu Age Indin WhizDumb agin...
Holy Kwap...
now me gotta go ponder Dat...Whew...DEEEEEeeeeeeeeeP...
YouPick
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Holy Kwap...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yous gosta have sumpin to *ponder* wit,you titwit.
wayne george :)
lizzy
Monica,
Thank you for your kind words...the name calling I can ignore...its
the bad racist stuff I can't stand...the same old argument over and
over. ..Greasemonkey is a wonderful little filter you can kill threads
and ignore users...unfortunately when bobandcarol start a new
thread...oy...I can't read stuff like that. I can't even handle the
titles. As for alt.native I continually reassess how I read it and how
much time I spend...if I'm being unfair in my judgments against
whites...less tolerant. But I have spoken out against all prejudiced I
have written oodles about my upbringing and how it is so ingrained in
me that I am always being surprised when a racist belief pops up. I am
astonished at the depth in which it resides. Like one of those really
bad weeds...you have to hunt in the darkest earth in order to remove
it...expose it to the light. I do wonder about the reasons behind some
peoples beliefs but I grew up in an educational system and a community
of white racists...I don't really need to hear anymore...I mean I
didn't start reading alt.native to learn more white ways to view
Indians or argue with them. Call it sanctimonious...I don't care we
all have different reasons for being here...not everyone has to like
me. 44 years of white indoctrination I thought I would listen to
Indians for a few hours a week.
Ordinary Sparrow posted the Tim Giago piece on a blog we had quite a
discussion...I don't know who Arvol Looking Horse is...I don't think
that all of Tim Giago's points are bad but I do stand by my belief
that because the Government does not validate problems in the Native
American community that is the main reason whites have such a hard
time recognizing racist attitudes, behaviors and beliefs. If only the
government would spend as much money and time, stamping out racism at
they do on cigarette smokers...and just like the government they don't
go after the executive types putting all the chemicals into the
cigarettes...nor do they go after those most behind the continuation
of anti-Indian propoganda.
Of course you and I are conflicted on the whole ceremony thing...I
grew up with freedom of religion and you grew up with sacred
ceremonies. I don't think that any religion is meant to be a magic
cure for societal ills...I don't think that Indians have a religion
problem but one of an economic and political nature. From what I have
read here Indians do not have difficulties with their religion but
rather the religion has a sort of anchor or stabilization effect in a
world gone mad. And I think that Tim Giago has it wrong...maybe
Indians don't go from sweatlodge to alcohol but from alcohol to the
refuge of sweatlodge. There is a big difference...do we condemn the
prostitute for attending church on Sundays and then blame the religion
for the lifestyle?
On a separate topic is it true that pacific coast Indians didn't eat
mushrooms? Do you know anything about it?
Red Cloud
You are dealing with imaginary racism created in your mind. In outside
of your
delusive mind, no Makah Indian would go physically after your white
race or your
white family or your white friend. You've a whole a lot of protector
who would protect
for you and you race. You've been walking free and never complained
any racist violence targeted at you on white male privilege
land... Now you are complaining at one sole Makah tribe who hates
you.... How pathetic you white sappy liberal are!
s�r`ch�sm
>
>its the bad racist stuff I can't stand...
>
Do you mean like monica's racism or, only other selective "racist stuff"?
>
>the same old argument over and over. ..
>
What same argument; when racists like monica falsely accuse others of racism
to obscure the actual meaning of the term?
> [...]
>
>Greasemonkey is a wonderful little filter you can kill threads
>and ignore users...
>
Got that from bettie assby, did you? It's best for an apologetist like
dizzy-lizzy to ignore challenges to her shilling since she cannot defend it.
>
>As for alt.native I continually reassess how I read it and how
>much time I spend...if I'm being unfair in my judgments against
>whites...less tolerant. But I have spoken out against all prejudiced
>
Judgements gainst "whites"? Your being a shill needs more practice; it's
too obvious as it stands.
>
>I have written oodles about my upbringing and how it is so ingrained
>in me that I am always being surprised when a racist belief pops up.
>
Apparently not surprised enough to 'overlook' monica's racism and shill for
her.
>
>I am astonished at the depth in which it resides. Like one of those really
>bad weeds...you have to hunt in the darkest earth in order to remove
>it...expose it to the light.
>
Yet, when monica's racism is exposed to the light, lizzy waters that weed by
defending that racism, instead of having "spoken out against all
prejudiced".
>
>Call it sanctimonious...I don't care we all have different reasons for
>being here.
>
Or, it can be called what it is; dizzy-lizzy hypocrisy.
s�r`ch�sm
>
>You are dealing with imaginary racism created in your mind.
>
No, I have been opposing the real racism of monica charles, whom I did not
create in my mind.
>
>Now you are complaining at one sole Makah tribe who hates you....
>
Such prejudice often speads like lizzy's weeds and is best opposed before it
escalates into requiring weedeaters.
>
Monica
Yes. I grew up eating morel mushrooms. Dad would pick them and mom
would fry them in butter. Delicious. People asked for wild native
mushrooms for our Traditional Foods dinner. I spent a lot of time
blocking the racists on here, chasm, and the others. But it was worth
it. I see very few people on here and it's going to be fun to post
again.
s�r`ch�sm
>
>I spent a lot of time blocking the racists on here, chasm, and the others.
>
The only racism moronica needs to block is her own. She cannot manage to do
that, due to her bigotry.
>
>I see very few people on here and it's going to be fun to post again.
>
Post away, you prejudiced piece of worthless scum.
Red Cloud
> "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> lied again:
What a coward!
s�r`ch�sm
Red Cloud
> "Red Cloud" <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> babbled:
>
>
>
> > "sâr`châsm" <sâr`châs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> lied again:
>
> > >I spent a lot of time blocking the racists on here, chasm, and the
> > >others.
>
> > The only racism moronica needs to block is her own. She cannot manage to
> > do
> > that, due to her bigotry.
>
> > >I see very few people on here and it's going to be fun to post again.
>
> > Post away, you prejudiced piece of worthless scum.
>
> >What a coward!
>
> Babble incoherently some more, racist slime.
Deal with your delusion. You just don't know where the real racist
come from
or derive from... You should be grateful that you don't have to walk
around being
outnumbered or outgunned by race you don't like. You are actually
free in this
society ! You should be happy for that. Why are you complaining? Are
you so
pathological naive that you don't know no Indian tribe would pose a
threat to you?
You are fucking free in this fucking nation. Why are you fucking
complaining
over one individual who does not like your race? You just don't
aware where the real racism perpetuated since you've never
experienced one before. You've never been a victim of racism or
you can't possible be a victim. Don't try to tell me that single
Indian could be a racist! That would be sadly unrealistic. She
may hate White but she can't possible be a racist in this white racist
society.
Don't play multi-culturalist! Don't tell me we are living in
egalitarian society. Don't
tell me we are equal. Your race matters. My race matters. WE ARE NOT
EQUAL
IN ANY LEVEL! WE ARE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT RACE WITH DIFFERENT LEVEL OF
EXPERIENCE!
s�r`ch�sm
>
>You just don't know where the real racist come from
>
Apparently, it comes from southern California and an obscure band on a
northern penisula of Washington.
>
>or derive from...
>
It derives from the igorance and fears of the racist and from the
perpetuation of racism.
>
>Why are you fucking complaining over one individual who does not like your
>race?
>
The opposition is to racism, no matter how many perpetuate it.
>
>You just don't aware where the real racism perpetuated ...
>
It's perpetuated by real racists, such as yourself, (against mexicans), and
moronica, (against nearly anyone who isn't "indian").
>
>Don't try to tell me that single Indian could be a racist!
>
Of course a single "Indian" can be racist; moronica is a prime example.
Racism doesn't require numbers or 'control'. It only requires the bigotry
of prejudice.
>
>That would be sadly unrealistic.
>
Then you fail to comprehend the meaning of the word, "racist" and are
choosing to make up your own definition. That's sadly weak.
>
>She may hate White but she can't possible be a racist in this white racist
>society.
>
That doesn't make any sense; of course she can be and is, blatantly racist.
The society in which she exhibits her racism does not inhibit it.
Red Cloud
> "Red Cloud" <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> muttered:
>
>
>
> >You just don't know where the real racist come from
>
> Apparently, it comes from southern California and an obscure band on a
> northern penisula of Washington.
>
>
Apparently, it comes through your ugly lying mouth out of your
delusive mindset.
You are primary example of the radical sappy bleeding heart mentally
disorder
mindset. You are so fucking self-absorb you think you are not
perpetuated any
racism at all. But I say you are one selfish liar! You are a
cheater! You are full
of dishonest hypocrite. Racist! Come on racist! You are a real racist
in this nation!
You've been walking around so free and no wonder you see the world
must be
so free of racism which derived from your self-absorb delusive
mindset.
Racist hypocritical liar can't possible see the victim. There is
victim in this racist nation called United State of America. It is the
most racist society in the world!
How can I explain more to those radical sappy liberal self-absorb who
can only think of themselves?
It is impossible to see the humanity in this land. Don't try to see
it! What you see is a FAKE!!! American cultural bleeds racism
cunningly and sneakily. Sarchasm
is full of it. His self-absorb is what bleeds American cultural
racism. I'm sicked of it.
I'm sicked of it. I'm sicked of it. I saw it all. I've experienced
through my body and
my soul.
s�r`ch�sm
> "s�r`ch�sm" <s�r`ch�s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Red Cloud" <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> muttered:
>
> >You just don't know where the real racist come from
>
> Apparently, it comes from southern California and an obscure band on a
> northern penisula of Washington.
>
>
>Apparently, it comes through your ugly lying mouth out of your
>delusive mindset.
>
I haven't lied; "red cloud" expresses extreme prejudice against "mexicans",
(and moronica, against "whites"), by attributing the negative
characteristics of some individuals to an entire group. That's your ugly
racism, you both deny it and your insistance that you somehow cannot be
racist is self-delusional.
>
>You are primary example of the radical sappy bleeding heart
>mentally disorder mindset.
>
That makes no sense whatsoever. Opposing your racism does not constitute a
"sappy bleeding heart" liberalism since no such positions have been taken
regarding those you and moronica are so racist against. Fabricating things
that don't exist isn't working for moronica and it doesn't work for you
either.
>
>You are so fucking self-absorb you think you are not perpetuated
>any racism at all.
>
I haven't perpetuated any racism to reciprocate the racism you and moronica
have bluntly expressed. This is a lie which you and moronica have been
perpetuating unsuccessfully. Further, opposing the racism expressed by the
two of you does not indicate self-absorbortion, therefore, you pulled that
out of your ass.
>
>But I say you are one selfish liar!
>
You are as free to lie as I am to be honest. It's your choice to fling
baseless bullshit out to selfishly defend your wounded ego.
>
>You are a cheater!
>
I have no need to 'cheat' in opposition to your racism since the archived
record of your own racist words exists.
>
>You are full of dishonest hypocrite.
>
You're full of shit; I have not expressed any dishonesty nor hypocrisy in
the opposition to your racism. Again, making up random bullshit isn't
supporting your random assertions. It just makes your position look weaker
than it is.
>
>Racist! Come on racist! You are a real racist in this nation!
>
When demonstrated racists like you and moronica call non-racists, racist
it's an ironic lie.
>
>You've been walking around ...
[incoherant rant snipped]
>American cultural bleeds racism cunningly and sneakily.
>
Some people within american cultures are racist, like you and moronica,
(claiming to be native "american"). Not all americans are racist.
>
>Sarchasm is full of it.
>
"red cloud" is so full of shit others may begin to wonder why anyone bothers
replying to it.