Help re: Mary Summer Rain
lenapelady
On a list, non-Indian-related, there are several people who are enamored
with Mary Summer Rain. I offered a differing viewpoint, and one member
wrote to me to ask more about that viewpoint.
If you have time, could you post your comments about why Mary Summer
Rain is viewed so poorly? I don't want to just give her my opinion only.
Thanks,
LL
lisa dillon
Aloha LL,
it might be good to have folk's do a google search on that woman 'save
the redundent blood pressure rise on behalf of this fraud' some one
ought to write a book on this summer rain and the like kine phenom.
Truly! maybe somewhat of a guide from NDN"S to help the gullable and
the ignorant.Chock with humor and the sametime a slap in the face wake
up call these poor souls need....Lisa D....just fed up with another
round of mary summer rain "taught me so much"BS
RedBear
Her claims to have "secret knowledge" not shared with anyone else? Or
that her writings are so full of "I, me, mine" that they get hard to
read. A lot of the white wannabe writers do that. I noticed it the
worst with Lynne Andrewes, but it is also true of summer rain and
heather hughes cordero. So arrogant those women are!
lenapelady <lde...@bartnet.net> wrote in message news:<3C69BD42...@bartnet.net>...
Jason
matter known to oldtimers on this newsgroup of Summer's conduct in a
flamer, which extended past the civil boundaries of even our flaming;
she tried to have one of her critics fired from her job.
Lest we forget.
And BTW, Happy Valentine's Day to all you beautiful women.
Prince Jason, who is more Irish than the Irish and more English than
the English and more spirchul than Mary Summer Rain (which isn't
saying diddlysquat)
lenapelady <lde...@bartnet.net> wrote in message news:<3C69BD42...@bartnet.net>...
lenapelady
was that Summer *the M Summer Rain?
And thank you, oh sweet thang, you....Happy Valentine's Day!
LL
Jason wrote:
--
"I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only
know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that
differentiate me from a doormat." --Rebecca West, 1913
lenapelady
that she's formed an email group for those who follow the teachings of MSR.
Sigh. One's born every minute, but then again...some really work hard at
following and promoting ..all kinds of things. No matter what they're
told as truth.
LL
RedBear wrote:
Anuh1
lisa_...@hotmail.com (lisa dillon) writes:
>it might be good to have folk's do a google search on that woman 'save
>the redundent blood pressure rise on behalf of this fraud' some one
>ought to write a book on this summer rain and the like kine phenom.
>Truly! maybe somewhat of a guide from NDN"S to help the gullable and
>the ignorant.Chock with humor and the sametime a slap in the face wake
>up call these poor souls need....Lisa D....just fed up with another
>round of mary summer rain "taught me so much"BS
Good idea, Lisa. Perhaps one of our more talented writers here would like to
undertake it! ;-D
Anuh1
redb...@bigmailbox.net (RedBear) writes:
I'm going to piggyback here, Redbear, becuase I deleted LL's post before I
could respond.
I do agree with your comments, as well, but wanted to mention that most of the
stuff she "reveals" in her book are things that are pretty common stereotypical
"knowledge" about NA people, and none of it right, if I remember right.
These writers always start out with the fact that THEY were chosen for this
task for some unknown reason. Or becuase there were no native people UP to the
task! BS pure and simple. It's been years since I read Summer Rain, but I
have to tell you I remember laughing my head off at her idiocy! ;-D
RedBear
she was saying "I do stupid things, act stupid and Ruby and Agnes are
mean to me. But they like me SOOO much they share secret knowledge
with me!" The person who loaned it to me had raved about it. I finally
choked out to her that it wa "interesting." Ick, ick, ick.
an...@aol.com (Anuh1) wrote in message news:<20020215185222...@mb-fo.aol.com>...
Anuh1
>
>I had that reaction to Lynn Andrewes. I laughed so hard. It was like
>she was saying "I do stupid things, act stupid and Ruby and Agnes are
>mean to me. But they like me SOOO much they share secret knowledge
>with me!" The person who loaned it to me had raved about it. I finally
>choked out to her that it wa "interesting." Ick, ick, ick.
>
I borrowed the first one from a friend, but we BOTH laughed our heads off. She
had heard about it from another friend of hers and had taken it with her when
we were travelling. By the time we got to Alberta, she was done and gave it to
me to read! Yeah, right! This No Eyes, I think it was, of Lynn Andrews was
supposed to be a Cree, but none of the Cree we encountered had ever heard of
such a person!
RedBear
Plenty Ciefs and Agnes somethingorrather was Lynn's supposed teachers.
But wait! David Carson (I think) co-author of the Medicine Wheel cards
said in an interview that he had been Ms. andrewes boyfriend, cowrote
part of the first 3 books and that Ruby and Agnes were based on his
Choctaw aunts! He sued andrewes, and settled out of court for big $$$
on condition that he would keep his lips zipped. That happened between
the interview and publication of the interview. Too bad, I would have
liked to hera what else he had to say. There is a book called "Women
of P{ower" with a chapter on andrewes. I it she states she used to go
visiting with her father. They used to visit the "little Colville
children in their hogans." Colvilles live in HOGANS???? Since
when????? What an effing bimbo.
an...@aol.com (Anuh1) wrote in message news:<20020216175836...@mb-dh.aol.com>...
Anuh1
>No Eyes was summer rain's "chippewa" teacher. (yeah, right) Ruby
>Plenty Ciefs and Agnes somethingorrather was Lynn's supposed teachers.
Well, I never claimed to have a great memory, particularly as I've gotten
older. At any rate, I remember White Deer asking around about it just as an
insurance policy against making a wrong assumption.
>But wait! David Carson (I think) co-author of the Medicine Wheel cards
>said in an interview that he had been Ms. andrewes boyfriend, cowrote
>part of the first 3 books and that Ruby and Agnes were based on his
>Choctaw aunts! He sued andrewes, and settled out of court for big $$$
>on condition that he would keep his lips zipped. That happened between
>the interview and publication of the interview. Too bad, I would have
>liked to hera what else he had to say.
So would I. I don't for a minute believe that any of the three women existed
as portrayed!
> There is a book called "Women
>of P{ower" with a chapter on andrewes. I it she states she used to go
>visiting with her father. They used to visit the "little Colville
>children in their hogans." Colvilles live in HOGANS???? Since
>when????? What an effing bimbo.
I'd heard that! A Navajo guy I know pointed it out some time back. Yep, them
Colville's definitely lived in Hogans and the Navajos lived in teepees!~ ;-D
lenapelady
just inflict my views on her, but had asked trusted people, and then I
summarized our views.
WELL! She was puzzled as to why we (NDNs!) would feel that way, and
after all, MSR had helped her so much.
Sigh.
So then I mentioned that she was of the same ilk as Lynn Andrews. Chick
didn't know who Lynn Andrews was. I defined her as like MSR "Also
publishes a series of mystick NEW AGE mumbo-jumbo wanna be Indian shaman
books."
I don't think she heard us. On one non-NDN group, people got REALLY
upset with me for telling 'em MSR was a fake. Now her acolytes are
racing to a group for MSR acolytes.
Some days, they just won't hear.
Thanks, for your time, and thoughts..and that info about the boyfriend
co-writer was awesome! :)
LL
Anuh1 wrote:
Wayne George
If I wasn't such a married man..I'd ?..you are one of my favourite girl type
heroines..next to my Wife...and don't go letting that offend you
either...that's just my way of saying I like you and the words you post
here..and perhaps some day...
Mii'gwetch for the smile regarding (m.s.r.)
Wayne George a not so complex "American Indian"
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"lenapelady" <lde...@bartnet.net> wrote in message
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lenapelady
Oh, I have a hunch we'll meet up someday.
LL
RedBear
"real tradishunal NDN seremony." It is a guided meditation. "Imagine a
gold drop of elixer coming out of the moon and falling on your
head..." "Now put your hands on your root chakra..." You get the idea.
So I told her that her mentor grabbed it from a book and that it was
channeled by some chick in England and wasn't Indian. So I went
through this whole thing explaining how it wasn't traditional and she
said: (are ya ready?) "But maybe *****'s grandmother channeled it
too." ARGH!
I wish I had kept my hands on the magazine that had the interview with
David Carson. I think it was Psychology Today.
lenapelady <lde...@bartnet.net> wrote in message news:<3C72F030...@bartnet.net>...
> Some days, they just won't hear.
lenapelady
I'd love to read that interview. Think I'll look him up on the web.
This newage pretend mystic NDN BS "works" because they tell people what
they want to hear....i.e. I have this mystic connection to the universe,
I have SECRET knowledge, and I can tell you how SPECIAL you are and
share the SECRET knowledge of your evolved connection to the universe
with you..yadda yadda yadda...
for $$$$$$$
LL
RedBear wrote:
Anuh1
writes:
>Thanks, everyone. I explained to my correspondent that I didn't want to
>just inflict my views on her, but had asked trusted people, and then I
>summarized our views.
>
>WELL! She was puzzled as to why we (NDNs!) would feel that way, and
>after all, MSR had helped her so much.
>
>Sigh.
Which just goes to show the power of the printed word!
That kind are not worth the effort, LL! They will believe to their dying day
what they WANT to believe.
Anuh1
writes:
>Yea, doncha just want to SCREAM sometimes?
>
>I'd love to read that interview. Think I'll look him up on the web.
>
>This newage pretend mystic NDN BS "works" because they tell people what
>they want to hear....i.e. I have this mystic connection to the universe,
>I have SECRET knowledge, and I can tell you how SPECIAL you are and
>share the SECRET knowledge of your evolved connection to the universe
>with you..yadda yadda yadda...
>
>for $$$$$$$
>
Oh, Miz Cleo!!!!!!!!! ;-D