AIMaz & Peltier
joshua geller
Dear Mr. Castillo,
The main reason that the Federals defeated the native peoples 100 years
ago was because the native peoples were not united and fought among
themselves.
How sad to see that this kind of thing is still going on. This is the
kind of thing that makes your enemies joyful.
I am not taking sides here; I don't know anything about who is right
and who is wrong. I know I see people who should be attacking the
enemy attacking each other. It makes me sad.
josh
___
Bobby Castillo <ai...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> Vernon Foster and Aim Arizona
>
> I am not shocked to see your web site attacking the Leonard Peltier
> Defense Committee. I expected it from you. By this time it has become
> common practice that some one crawls out of the septic tanks and creates
> confusion, dissension, distrust and chaos in Leonard Peltier's case. It
> was just a matter of waiting and seeing who it was going to be. This is
> why (we) Leonard and the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee posted a
> article not long ago before we kicked off Leonard’s new legal campaign.
>
> It stated:
> > “It is very important that everyone recognizes the official
> representatives of the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. Over the
> year’s before we embarked in a large effort to bring attention to
> Leonard’s case, other groups and representatives have appeared and
> created confusion among the people wanting to help Leonard”.<
>
> The Leonard Peltier Defense Committee is ran by Leonard Peltier
> himself. It is his voice and he decides in who his other voices are
> whether you like it or not. It is Leonard who sits behind bars and
> suffers.
>
> When you disseminate information about his committee being corrupt you
> attack Leonard himself. Leonard has written a statement and read your
> Web page today. I can say that your concert for Justice is not
> supported by Leonard Peltier, Luis V Rodriguez, The Ramsey Muniz Defense
> Committee and I will talk with Mumia’s people and other Political
> Prisoers and send them Leonard letter today. I will be meeting with the
> National Director of the Ramsey Munez Defense committee tonight. Most
> political prisoners don't want your help. Leonard sure don’t.
>
> This is what is on your (Aim Arizona) web site. Don’t say I am
> attacking you. Man, I am only defending the Leonard Peltier Defense
> Committee and Leonard against these kind of attacks. What crooked
> operation are you talking about? Thats pretty bad to put on your web
> page.
> I really hope that people will see what you are doing and who you are
> doing it with.
>
> Bobby Castillo/Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
> *****************************
>
> Letter to Leonard Peltier
> From the Director of AIM Arizona
>
> Brother Leonard,
>
> We, of AIM Arizona, have been following your incarceration for a
> long time, and have supported you all along. However, due to the
> crooked operation and questionable characteristics of some on the
> LPDC, we chose to stay distant from involving ourselves directly.
> As AIM AZ we have a great potential to assist you in your plight.
> During the Pipestone gathering this year I spoke with Dennis. He
> informed me that he is going to take an active role in the fight
> to secure your release. Due to this conversation, AIM AZ will pick
> up the struggle on your behalf.
>
> We will work hand in hand with Dennis and make every possible
> effort to make this year's activities to drum up support for your
> release successful. I gave the relatives my word that AIM AZ will
> focus on activities on your behalf.
>
> Thank you for the recorded message we heard at the unveiling of
> the head stones for Anna Mae Aquash and Joe Stuntz.
>
> As of now there has not been a sanctioned committee to solicit
> your release. With your sanction we will put our best foot forward
> in the movement for your freedom.
>
> With much respect,
>
> Vernon Foster, Director, AIM
> Arizona
> *******
> LEONARD HAS RESPONDED TO YOUR LETTER AND WE WILL POST A COPY OF IT IN
> NUMEROUS WEB SITES AND NEWSGROUPS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE DOES NOT
> SANCTION YOU. BYE!!!!!!
>
>
>
Bobby Castillo
TsalagiWmn
states that we were suspicious of the people attaching themselves to the
defense committee....look at it's history...how many "leaders" as it had? and
thirdly....the letter clearly states that after some conversations with Dennis
and others...that the chapter would do as much as they could to help
out....anyone would be a fool not to recognize and take into consideration the
problems that the defense committee as had....if you wish to deny that there
have been problems...fine...anyone who can see...knows different....however,
the web site still states that the chapter will overlook that and try to
help....which we do....if you have nothing better to do that stand around and
attack another AIM chapter, Bobby...I'm sure I can find some legitimate
concerns to keep you busy....like...why is AIM band from a powwow in Southern
California? Why is Leonard not getting medical attention? What about the other
Indian prisoners and their spiritual freedom? How about the kids? Standing
Rock? See, I can find loads of things for ya to do...if ya don't like this
chapter, so be it....but spend your time doing something constructive...instead
of trying to stir up trouble for a chapter that has done nothing to you...even
let your people set up booths at the concerts....or, did you forget that? Back
off, Bobby...we're supposed to be on the same side....
In Struggle,
T
If you want peace...fight for justice!!! FREE PELTIER
Aimfl
>Vernon Foster and Aim Arizona
>
>I am not shocked to see your web site attacking the Leonard Peltier
>Defense Committee.
Now I have seen the AIMAZ site and failed to see any "attack" against the
LPDC. I would encourage people to visit the Arizona AIM site and see for
themselves.
>By this time it has become
>common practice that some one crawls out of the septic tanks and creates
>confusion, dissension, distrust and chaos in Leonard Peltier's case.
Well that is certainly true Mr. Castillo, which begs the question why you are
enflamming divisveness where currently those divsisions are cooling?
>This is
>why (we) Leonard and the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
Are you still with LPDC. I heard when Dave Hill came you boogied.
>Bobby Castillo/Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
Last I knew Steve Robideau operated the LPDC with Dave Hill physically at the
office. Exactly what is your position with LPDC
Don Foster
AIM is then the new warrior class of this century, bound by the bonds of the
drum, Pipe, Cedar; who vote with their bodies instead of their mouths. Their
methods are strong. their message is hope their moment is now.
Birgil Kills Straight 1974
ai...@earthlink.net
Don Foster
You are such a shame. I want you to look at Vernon Foster's letter on
the web site to Leonard Peltier. http://www.dickshovel.com/azaim.html
You tell me that he doesn't attack the LPDC. get real.
Bobby Castillo/LPDC
When was the last time you called the LPDC? Quit spreading lies.
Leonard has written a letter that will be sent out by the LPDC. I have
already read it. I also know that leonard has stated that he will write
a letter concerning your post if you do not stop this now.
You do not represent the LPDC in any way pal. I do.
tahane
greetings all,
I have followed with much concern the negativity re the LPDC and who wants
to outdo who. It does not matter what race, what group, what organization
BOBBY COSTILLO belongs to . What matters is that BOBBY is the man LEONARD
PELTIER has chosen for the man to head up his defense committee. It is HIS
choice to make and those of us who support him should support his choice
and work together to get Leonard out of that prison and get him some
medical help. May I ask each of you who reads this , have you written your
senators, congressmen, reps? have you written the president, vice
president, hilliary? have you written the parole board, the warden, the
prime minister of canada? have you written anyone with protests of this
incarceration of Leonard, if not, please do, to help him, we need the help
of everyone that cares, do not stop at one mailing, repeat the protests
over and over, perhaps someday, someone will listen. At the very least,
Leonard will know we are trying. Most of all ,support the man he chose and
trusts to head up his defense committee and those who works with him,
support Bobby Costillo.
nuff said,
nlr
Sara Salzman
No wonder we can't get Leonard out of prison if the LPDC people continue
all this infighting.
It's funny -- as a non-Native American, I wasn't "allowed" to join the
LPDC, only the LPSG. Those of us in the LPSG (at least in central Ohio)
worked hard for Leonard. We raised money, got signatures for petitions,
marched in the rallies, wrote, faxed and called our Congresspeople and the
President.
Yet those we are supposed to be working with -- who are you? Castillo?
Robideau? Banks? AIM? What are you doing to UNITE those of us trying to
free Leonard?
Just my own opinion, NOT that of LPSG-CO.
Sara
In article <199807300142...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
ai...@aol.com (Aimfl) wrote:
> >ai...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > I want you to look at Vernon Foster's letter on >the web site to Leonard
> Peltier. http://www.dickshovel.com/azaim.html
> >You tell me that he doesn't attack the LPDC. get real.
>
> What the letter does is direct Mr. Foster's and the movements concern
> regarding operations at the LPDC which I am sure you will agree has been
uneven
> in recent years
>
> >When was the last time you called the LPDC?
> About a week and a half ago about something entirely unrelated to this
and was
> informed you had left. Such was confirmed to several LPSG organizers by Mr.
> Steve Robideau. If we are all misinterpreting I would apologize but as I am
> sure you understand we would desire to hear such from Steve
>
> > I also know that leonard has stated that he will write>a letter concerning
> your post if you do not stop this now.
> Stop what? Asking you to stop being divisive? If Leonard confirms that you
> have not left LPDC that would be fine. We would desire that direct from
Leonard
> and will apologize in that regard. However I would stand on the point that you
> are being divisive taking this to the net and usenet no less.
>
>
> >You do not represent the LPDC in any way pal. I do.
>
> I am not so sure of that.
>
> Don Foster
> AIM is then the new warrior class of this century, bound by the bonds of the
> drum, Pipe, Cedar; who vote with their bodies instead of their mouths. Their
> methods are strong. their message is hope their moment is now.
> Birgil Kills Straight 1974
--
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(Every ass likes to hear himself bray.)
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Bobby Castillo <ai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
+Vernon Foster and Aim Arizona
+I am not shocked to see your web site attacking the Leonard Peltier
+Defense Committee. I expected it from you. By this time it has become
+common practice that some one crawls out of the septic tanks and creates
+confusion, dissension, distrust and chaos in Leonard Peltier's case. It
+was just a matter of waiting and seeing who it was going to be. This is
+why (we) Leonard and the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee posted a
+article not long ago before we kicked off Leonard’s new legal campaign.
+It stated:
+> “It is very important that everyone recognizes the official
+representatives of the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. Over the
+year’s before we embarked in a large effort to bring attention to
+Leonard’s case, other groups and representatives have appeared and
+created confusion among the people wanting to help Leonard”.<
+The Leonard Peltier Defense Committee is ran by Leonard Peltier
+himself. It is his voice and he decides in who his other voices are
+whether you like it or not. It is Leonard who sits behind bars and
+suffers.
+When you disseminate information about his committee being corrupt you
+attack Leonard himself. Leonard has written a statement and read your
+Web page today. I can say that your concert for Justice is not
+supported by Leonard Peltier, Luis V Rodriguez, The Ramsey Muniz Defense
+Committee and I will talk with Mumia’s people and other Political
+Prisoers and send them Leonard letter today. I will be meeting with the
+National Director of the Ramsey Munez Defense committee tonight. Most
+political prisoners don't want your help. Leonard sure don’t.
+This is what is on your (Aim Arizona) web site. Don’t say I am
+attacking you. Man, I am only defending the Leonard Peltier Defense
+Committee and Leonard against these kind of attacks. What crooked
+operation are you talking about? Thats pretty bad to put on your web
+page.
+I really hope that people will see what you are doing and who you are
+doing it with.
+Bobby Castillo/Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
+*****************************
+ Letter to Leonard Peltier
+ From the Director of AIM Arizona
+ Brother Leonard,
+ We, of AIM Arizona, have been following your incarceration for a
+ long time, and have supported you all along. However, due to the
+ crooked operation and questionable characteristics of some on the
+ LPDC, we chose to stay distant from involving ourselves directly.
+ As AIM AZ we have a great potential to assist you in your plight.
+ During the Pipestone gathering this year I spoke with Dennis. He
+ informed me that he is going to take an active role in the fight
+ to secure your release. Due to this conversation, AIM AZ will pick
+ up the struggle on your behalf.
+ We will work hand in hand with Dennis and make every possible
+ effort to make this year's activities to drum up support for your
+ release successful. I gave the relatives my word that AIM AZ will
+ focus on activities on your behalf.
+ Thank you for the recorded message we heard at the unveiling of
+ the head stones for Anna Mae Aquash and Joe Stuntz.
+ As of now there has not been a sanctioned committee to solicit
+ your release. With your sanction we will put our best foot forward
+ in the movement for your freedom.
+ With much respect,
+ Vernon Foster, Director, AIM
+Arizona
+*******
+LEONARD HAS RESPONDED TO YOUR LETTER AND WE WILL POST A COPY OF IT IN
+NUMEROUS WEB SITES AND NEWSGROUPS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE DOES NOT
+SANCTION YOU. BYE!!!!!!
Aimfl
ai...@earthlink.net
friends,
July 28, 1998
As you probably know, my phone privileges have been suspended and
communication has been difficult. Because of the recent post on the
internet and letter to me by Vernon Foster of Arizona AIM on his web
site, it has become necessary for me to respond.
It is important now more than ever that any information being put
out regarding my campaign for freedom is checked for validity. It is
important that all continue to work with the LPDC office as this is who
I communicate with directly and on a regular basis. The LPDC office in
Lawrence Kansas is my only official office.
Please be informed that I have not authorized any other office or
campaign to be organized in my name because this causes confusion and
division. That is with the exception of the Leonard Peltier Charitable
Foundation, which is not involved in my political campaign. Although
they are not part of the LPDC they work closely with the Leonard Peltier
Defense Committee and meet with me on a regular basis.
Please be informed that I do not accept Vernon Foster’s offer in
helping me with my campaign. How can I work with Arizona Aim when they
attack my close friends and committee. I have been the one who who has
been in prison these past 22 years. It is me who knows who is really
trying to help me or not. Vernon Foster and Dennis Banks will not be
the ones who decide my fate. I direct my own campaign, I am Leonard
Peltier and have that right to do so.
Since you posted this article on your web site and made it public,
I have responded the same. I tell you to cease all attacks against my
committee and members. If you really care about my freedom, you will
not interfere in my campaign. If you do attack us, I will respond with
a direct letter to all Indian People’s, solidarity groups and supporters
to cease any support to Arizona Aim.
Again the LPDC is my direct means of communication and I can not
afford any confusion regarding its validity. Also, I have not given
permission to anyone to open a new office in Washington D.C. My
authorized lobbyist in DC is Breeze Luetke-Stahlman who is reporting her
activities to me on a weekly basis.
Thank you for your continued support.
In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse,
Leonard Peltier
Please contact the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee if you have any
questions. Our phone number is 785-842-5774 * email
lp...@idir.net
TsalagiWmn
>Greetings
>friends,
I am assuming that you can provide the "original" of this...with his signature?
Aimfl
>No wonder we can't get Leonard out of prison if the LPDC people continue >all
this infighting.
I most certainly agree with you. It is a pity that time and time again Mr.
Castillo takes his empassioned beliefs and allegations to the usenet rather
than trying to deal privately with his allegations and alleged concerns of
Dennis Banks, Vernon Bellecourt, and virtually the entire leadership of AIM the
Treaty Council and anyone else who does not entirely share his views. His
constant public display of disunity is certainly counterproductive. I know that
Steve Robideau is working hard to bring unity into the struggle for Leonard
Peltier and for those efforts we wholeheartedly support Steve.
It is my understanding from Mr. Dave Hill at LPDC that Mr. Bobby Castillo is
no longer associated with that office. Further I believe Mr. Robideau reported
the same to at least two support group leaders in Florida. It may be that his
statements were misinterpreted. It may also be that Mr. Castillo is
exaggerating his position at LPDC while Mr. Robideau works to develop an
effective lobbying force in Washington, DC on Peltier's behalf and Gina, a
friend of Mr. Castillo's is at the LPDC office
I think it is a great disservice for Mr. Castillo to publicly-via usenet
condemn Dennis Banks and the BPH tour. I can say in Florida the tour raised
very little money and expenses came out of the people on the tours own pockets.
Despite that shortcoming the Toiur was among the most successful campaigns in
this state's hsitory in raising awareness for Peltier';s release. I did not see
a single instance of the accusations I have seen Castillo make in regards to
the BPH while I was on the tour in Miami, Naples, Tampa, Orlando and
Jacksonville FL.
I know Mr. Michael Haney. And whatever private grievance Mr. Castillo may have
with Mr. Haney should not influence Mr. Castillo to make such divisive
commentary. I know Mr. Haney lobbied hard to obtain support for Leonard from
the National Congress of American Indians and was successfull in this regard.
I also have met Mr. Castillo and know that he appears very dedicated to the
cause of Mr. Peltier. I would certainly encourage Mr. Castillo to place
whatever talents and energy he may possess solely in the effort to obtain
Leonard's freedom-whether through the LPDC or not; and to his Aztlan Liberation
Organization rather than continuing his six year campaign to defame other
Indian rights activists. To continue such is a great disservice not only to
Leonard Peltier. but also to the ongoing struggle for Indigenous peoples.
Criticism is a part of activism from arm chair activists to white supremists
to the federal government to other activists. To engage in slamming legitimate
activists such as Vernon and Clyde Bellecourt, Carole Standing Elk, Fern
Mathias, Dennis Banks, Tony Gonzales, Jimbo Simmons, Andrea Carmen, Vernon
Foster,........... over personality conflicts and such does not provide
anything better for Indian people. And it really doesn't do anything for
Leonard Peltier. And it certainly doesn't help AIM, or LPDC or your ALO.
I have before, and would again implore Mr. Castillo to stop-particularlly his
public release of such divisive statements.
>It's funny -- as a non-Native American, I wasn't "allowed" to join the >LPDC,
only the LPSG.
The LPSG's are the network by which the LPDC (basically the board of advisors,
officers and staff) extend their work. I believe many people who work at the
LPDC are non-Indians of goodwill.
> Those of us in the LPSG (at least in central Ohio)
>worked hard for Leonard. We raised money, got signatures for
petitions,>marched in the rallies, wrote, faxed and called our Congresspeople
and the>President.
Please continue the good work and extend it.
Sheridan Murphy
Aimfl
> Letter to Leonard Peltier
>+ From the Director of AIM Arizona
>
>+ Brother Leonard,
>
>+ We, of AIM Arizona, have been following your incarceration for a >+
long time, and have supported you all along. However, due to the >+ crooked
operation and questionable characteristics of some on the >+ LPDC, we chose
to stay distant from involving ourselves directly.
Mr. Castillo to charactarize this as an attack appears to be overly sensitive
on your part.. I believe you would agree that some individuals working at the
Lawrence office and within the committe could have been described as operating
crookedly and having acted in a questionable manner.
HumanRight
understand correctly AimArizona took their web site off because of the
embarrasment at San Carlos Reservation. They just put it back up and this
letter atticking the LPDC was on it.
If you wanted to help so much why didn't you just help insted of attack
Leonard's committee. It don't make sense. I called the LPDC and they
verified the letter by Leonard is true. Leonard has asked you guys to back off
so why don't you let Leonard and his committee get back to work and let them
help free the poor guy.
ShellySumm
>
>SHEESH!!!!
>
>No wonder we can't get Leonard out of prison if the LPDC people continue
>all this infighting.
>
themselves against attack. The statement in the web site By Arizona Aim was
un called for. They should just apoligize and get out of the way.
>
>It's funny -- as a non-Native American, I wasn't "allowed" to join the
>LPDC, only the LPSG. Those of us in the LPSG (at least in central Ohio)
Now you are creating a rasciest picture here. You know and anyone who really
knows about Leonard and his committee, he has always allowed White people to
work in the office. It seems you are with the same bunch who is misleading all
of us. Your game shows.
Why do you guys keep trying to paint a bad picture for Leonard's committee.
If AIM wanted to help, why did they need to say that remark in their web site.
That remark is there for the world to see. It should be removed. You alliance
is obvious.
FREE LEONARD PELTIER!
SUPPORT THE LEONARD PELTIER DEFENSE COMMITTEE!
FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!
sally
justanoldman
ai...@aol.com (Aimfl) wrote:
<cut>
>
> It is my understanding from Mr. Dave Hill at LPDC that Mr. Bobby Castillo is
> no longer associated with that office. Further I believe Mr. Robideau reported
> the same to at least two support group leaders in Florida. It may be that his
> statements were misinterpreted. It may also be that Mr. Castillo is
> exaggerating his position at LPDC while Mr. Robideau works to develop an
> effective lobbying force in Washington, DC on Peltier's behalf and Gina, a
> friend of Mr. Castillo's is at the LPDC office.
<cut>
Sorry Sheridan, but the only person who's word means anything in all this
chaff is Leonard's. Period. Leonard has confirmed that Breeze is his
lobbyist in Washington DC & that Bobby Castillo is his rep & voice at
LPDC. He has also clearly stated that he does NOT want Dennis' help. I
don't ask him why. It's his life. His committee. His freedom on the line.
with respect...
Aimfl
>Sorry Sheridan, but the only person who's word means anything in all this
>chaff is Leonard's.
I certainly agree, however I am hearing very different things from individuals
associated with LPDC-inlcuding Mr. David Hill and Mr. Steve Robideau than that
which Mr. Castillo has stated. It could be in the interpretation of the
statements. I know that Mr. Castillo has an agenda with Dennis Banks and that
may color his statements. As I have not directly recieved a correspondance with
Mr. Peltier on this particular subject I remain skeptical of postings on the
internet regarding the subject.
>Leonard has confirmed that Breeze is his
>lobbyist in Washington DC
Breeze is a lobbyist, how someone who works full time can also serve as a full
time lobbyist appears to me to be, at best, extremely difficult. I know Steve
has been in Washington working on Leonard issues.
> that Bobby Castillo is his rep & voice at
>LPDC.
I would agree that was clear up until two weeks ago or so when we talked to
Dave Hill and he informed us Mr. Castillo was no longer.
>He has also clearly stated that he does NOT want Dennis' help
I have seen various Leonard correspondance relating to Dennis Banks work. There
was a letter in 1994 by Peltier decrying the Walk for Justice but Mr. Banks has
meet with Leonard repeatedly since then and they have worked together. Dennis
Banks is not, as he makes clear, associated with the LPDC however.
Sheridan Murphy
Thunder Voice
mind all day yesterday and today. While I agree that AIMAZ and Mr. Castillo have
something to discuss I have a question for Mr. Castillo.
Please tell me, what good did it do to take this issue to Mr. Peltier? Did you not
say that he has asked you to handle his issues? Isn't this an issue that you could
have handled?
I ask these questions because I just can't see what good it did to take more pain
to him. Is he not in Jail for a crime he didn't commit? Is he not suffering with
physical pain? Couldn't you have handled this without giving him MORE pain to deal
with?
Mr. Peltier has, it seems, made it clear that he trusts you. I'm sure that he
would have trusted you to handle this for him. Please act in HIS best interest in
the future.
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Koga Suyeta
Peltier has made himself quite clear, sir. Those who believe in and
support Leonard must therefore fully support the man Peltier has
chosen, whomever it is, and if they cannot or will not, then they must,
however unfortunately, go to hell.
[Public Opinion]
Egos, affiliations, etc., are totally meaningless and absolutely
useless. We do not say "Free Peltier...by way of Bobby Castillo," or
"...by way of Dennis Banks." We say "Free Peltier."
The issue is freedom and justice (if it is truly attainable in this
place) for the man who doesn't have the one and has yet to see any sign
of the other. The issue is freedom and justice for the American Indian
movement --- not the acronym, but the American Indian movement.
Peltier has become something more than a simple man, probably much to
his dismay. He is a symbol of many who are also cached away in
America's holes. He [they] is the issue. He [they] is the American
Indian movement. And so are you. And so am I. Each of us...all of
us. We absolutely have to conduct ourselves accordingly.
The weighted names "Peltier" and "Aquash" crash to the table when
spoken, but around them also quietly settle the whispered names of
thousands of sons and daughters. Those accused and imprisoned...those
betrayed and entrapped...those eloquent in their strength and those
eloquent by their absence...those denied their freedom and those denied
their lives...those who have resisted and lived and those who have
believed and were murdered....
There is a categorical question being put to each of us --- here, right
now --- and we each must answer it. Peltier and Aquash might be any
one of us, but...?
Both versions of opinion I have written here are valid for me, both
represent my own truth. But the first comforts only myself and is of
no use for anything else; it is the second through which I might
actually make a meaningful contribution.
Koga Suyeta
"We must not react out of hatred against those who have no sense..."
<John Trudell>
lot...@my-dejanews.com
> [Private Opinion]
>
> Peltier has made himself quite clear, sir. Those who believe in and
> support Leonard must therefore fully support the man Peltier has
> chosen, whomever it is, and if they cannot or will not, then they must,
> however unfortunately, go to hell.
And that may very well be true. As also so many other things I have been
hearing for many years may be true.
Dennis Banks, the Bellecort brothers, Russell Means, Leonard Crow Dog, John
Trudeau, Bob Robideau, Bobby Castillo (pardon the spelling folks)... these are
people I met at some ocassion from 69 to 75. I called more than a couple of
them friends at some time or other.
But the backbiting and public attacks on each other since that time has me
shaking my head. I respect all of them, I will denounce none of them. But I
do not know who to believe anymore.
I never met Mr. Peltier. I am angry that he was made the fall guy for the
FBI. I am angry that his life was distroyed by a perversion of 'justice'. I
am sad for him. I hope he sees his family again before he dies. If he is to
be the Nelson Mandella of the Sioux Nation, then perhaps he has served his
purpose in that way. If others take objection by my statement, so be it.
That is how I feel now.
I once met Anna Mae. Her unavenged murder hurts the most of all that happened
in those days.
Randy
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son...@jaguarsystems.com
lot...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Dennis Banks, the Bellecort brothers, Russell Means, Leonard Crow Dog, John
> Trudeau, Bob Robideau, Bobby Castillo (pardon the spelling folks)... these are
> people I met at some ocassion from 69 to 75. I called more than a couple of
> them friends at some time or other.
>
> But the backbiting and public attacks on each other since that time has me
> shaking my head. I respect all of them, I will denounce none of them.
But I
> do not know who to believe anymore.
>
A long time ago someone told me, "If you go into any fight for justice, make
absolutely sure you know what your own agenda is, because if you are not
clear about your own agenda, you will become simply one more part of someone
else's agenda." My agenda in the Peltier issue is to see Peltier freed. I
try to stay out of the conflicts surrounding that movement towards freedom.
There are altogether too many personal agendas going on in the movement, too
many for me to be able to sort through them and figure out the truth. Any or
all of the disagreeable folk out there could be lying. Any or all could be
mistaken. I have better things to do with my time than to try to figure it
out.
sondra
http://www.jaguarsystems.com/sondra
mornin...@my-dejanews.com
the AIM AZ site, has been there since 1996, along with most of the other info
posted on the site.
And you understand nothing about why the AZ site was originally pulled.
(Except maybe you understand how to try and throw around mis-information or
innuendos.) The site was pulled for completely different reasons, and when it
was recently reactivated, it went up with the same 'letter' that was
originally posted in 1996.
I find it very interesting that other individuals would use 'outdated'
information on the AZ site - that we have not had the opportunity to pull, or
update, except for the concert page - as a renewed excuse for some 'power
play'. It's not about power, it's about helping.
I'm not speaking for Vernon Foster, but as myself, a member of AIM-AZ. It's
very curious that Leonard would write a letter on July 28th about the
"outdated" letter on the AZ site, when he was aware of it very shortly after
it was originally posted.
In Struggle,
Kathy
In article <199807300809...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
JAMADACAI
writes:
>> It is so obvious that a few AIM people have started these attacks.
Ok, I am going to show just how ignorant of the law and prison system I am. I
have some questions, which may sound dumb to some, but may help others
understand.
It is not "obvious " to me, who is starting these attacks, but they concern me
very much, so here goes.
If a man is incarcerated, are there limits on who can visit him?
If there are limits, then is he getting visits from a cross section of people?
Who and how is Leonard made aware of what is happening in the outside world?
Can the people who see him be trusted enough, that they do not just further
their own agenda?
Although we are aware that Leonard has strength and endurance, is it possible
that after all these years of incarceration and chronic pain, that he may be
weary, dispirited and thus easier to manipulate.
What is being done for his safety and wellbeing, and just who is monitoring
whom, with regards to this?
I ask the last question because for some it boils down to power and politics,
and it occurs to me that Leonard free would be an immense rallying focus, but
(this is only my opinion, and causes me great concern) If something untoward
were to happen he would become vastly more powerful as a modern day martyr.
I am sorry but to me (I admit I am just a run of the mill ordinary person) this
whole infighting deal stinks of politics and agenda, and that agenda is looking
mighty rotten right now.
I ask these questions to help me garner a greater understanding of the
situation, in the hopes that how I percieve this issue is totally wrong, and
can be explained by those with more Knowledge about it. I have no interest in
starting a flame war (with myself as the victim) I am only trying to understand
the issues, so that the sour taste this whole thing leaves in my mouth will
perhaps dissipate. Your answers will be much appreciated. Peace.
Angela : )
http://members.aol.com/JAMADACAI/3index.html
justanoldman
jama...@aol.com (JAMADACAI) wrote:
> Ok, I am going to show just how ignorant of the law and prison system I am. I
> have some questions, which may sound dumb to some, but may help others
> understand.
>
> It is not "obvious " to me, who is starting these attacks, but they concern me
> very much, so here goes.
>
> If a man is incarcerated, are there limits on who can visit him?
Absolutely. Lists of visitors are limited in number & evaluated on
affiliation with/relationship to the "inmate". Numbers are strictly
controled. Type of visit (glass, open, conjugal, etc) are controlled.
Hours are controlled. Visits are short & rare.
>
> If there are limits, then is he getting visits from a cross section of people?
>
> Who and how is Leonard made aware of what is happening in the outside world?
When you're inside, the entire world is cut off 100%. After just 3 yrs I
began to doubt it really existed. Leonard's been in that hell for 23
years. He gets a lot of paper put in his face every day, by lawyers,
good-wishers, supporters, LPDC, etc, so it's no surprise if he didn't get
the drift of one letter in 96 & replies now... esp when it comes as
someone affiliated with the leter's writer goes into the LPDC office &
announces that they're "taking over".
>
> Can the people who see him be trusted enough, that they do not just further
> their own agenda?
as far as anyone can trust any other human, Angela
>
> Although we are aware that Leonard has strength and endurance, is it possible
> that after all these years of incarceration and chronic pain, that he may be
> weary, dispirited and thus easier to manipulate.
See prison conditions, above...
>
> What is being done for his safety and wellbeing, and just who is monitoring
> whom, with regards to this?
Call LPDC in Lawrence & ask Gina. She'll tell you how you can help.
in br...
son...@jaguarsystems.com
> writes:
>
> >> It is so obvious that a few AIM people have started these attacks.
>
> have some questions, which may sound dumb to some, but may help others
> understand.
>
> It is not "obvious " to me, who is starting these attacks, but they concern me
> very much, so here goes.
>
> If a man is incarcerated, are there limits on who can visit him?
He has a "visitor's list", and only people on that list can visit him.
>
> If there are limits, then is he getting visits from a cross section of people?
Probably not!
>
> Who and how is Leonard made aware of what is happening in the outside world?
I can't answer that. I have ideas, based on what I know about prisons, but
they are just ideas.
>
> Can the people who see him be trusted enough, that they do not just further
> their own agenda?
a valid question.
>
> Although we are aware that Leonard has strength and endurance, is it possible
> that after all these years of incarceration and chronic pain, that he may be
> weary, dispirited and thus easier to manipulate.
another valid question. And, even if he is weary, dispirited, and easy to
manipulate, I am for granting him as much power in his own defense as
possible.
>
sondra
http://www.jaguarsystems.com/sondra
jeanine r pinkney
The following appeared in Ann Landers on August 1, 1998, with this
introduction:
Dear Ann Landers: Your column about "Things you can learn from your dog"
reminded me of something I copied from the Dick E. Bird News. I think it's
worth printing and hope you do, too. -- Ithaca, NY Reader
Dear Ithaca: I do indeed, and here it is -- A.L.
What We Can Learn From Geese
Fact No. 1: As each bird flaps its wings, it creates an uplift draft for the
bird following. By flying in a "V" formation, the whole flock adds a greater
flying range than if one bird flew alone.
Lesson No. 1: People who share a common direction and sense of community can
get where they're going quicker and more easily because they are traveling on
the strenght of one another.
Fact No. 2: Whenever a goose falls out of formation, it suddenly feels the
drag and resistance of trying to fly alone and quickly gets back into
formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird immediately in
front.
Lesson No. 2: If we haev as much sense as geese, we will stay in formation
and be willing to accept help when we need it and give help when it is
needed.
Fact No. 3: When the lead goose gets tired, it rotates back into the
formation, and another goose flies into the point position.
Lesson N. 3: Geese instinctively shrea the task of leadership and do not
resent the leader.
Fact No. 4: The geese in formation honk from behind to encourage those up
front to keep up their speed.
Lesson No. 4: Wee need to make sure our honking from behind is encouraging
and not something else.
Fact No. 5: When a goose gets sick, is wounded or is shot down, two geese
drop out of formation and follow it down to earth to help and protect it.
They stay with their disabled companion until it is able to fly again or
dies. Then they launch out on their own or with anohter formation or catch
up with the flock.
Lesson No. 5: If we have as much sense as geese, we, too, will stand by one
another in difficult times and help the one who has dropped out to regain his
place in the formation.
mornin...@my-dejanews.com
you are responding to was quoted ( >> ) from the post I was replying to.
My reply was that apparently it's NOT so obvious.
In Struggle,
Kathy
In article <199808021453...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
jama...@aol.com (JAMADACAI) wrote:
> In article <6q0pnl$1ik$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, mornin...@my-dejanews.com
> writes:
>
> >> It is so obvious that a few AIM people have started these attacks.
>
> Ok, I am going to show just how ignorant of the law and prison system I am. I
> have some questions, which may sound dumb to some, but may help others
> understand.
>
> It is not "obvious " to me, who is starting these attacks, but they concern me
> very much, so here goes.
>
> If a man is incarcerated, are there limits on who can visit him?
>
> If there are limits, then is he getting visits from a cross section of people?
>
> Who and how is Leonard made aware of what is happening in the outside world?
>
> Can the people who see him be trusted enough, that they do not just further
> their own agenda?
>
> Although we are aware that Leonard has strength and endurance, is it possible
> that after all these years of incarceration and chronic pain, that he may be
> weary, dispirited and thus easier to manipulate.
>
> What is being done for his safety and wellbeing, and just who is monitoring
> whom, with regards to this?
>
> I ask the last question because for some it boils down to power and politics,
> and it occurs to me that Leonard free would be an immense rallying focus, but
> (this is only my opinion, and causes me great concern) If something untoward
> were to happen he would become vastly more powerful as a modern day martyr.
>
> I am sorry but to me (I admit I am just a run of the mill ordinary person)
this
> whole infighting deal stinks of politics and agenda, and that agenda is
looking
> mighty rotten right now.
> I ask these questions to help me garner a greater understanding of the
> situation, in the hopes that how I percieve this issue is totally wrong, and
> can be explained by those with more Knowledge about it. I have no interest in
> starting a flame war (with myself as the victim) I am only trying to
understand
> the issues, so that the sour taste this whole thing leaves in my mouth will
> perhaps dissipate. Your answers will be much appreciated. Peace.
> Angela : )
> http://members.aol.com/JAMADACAI/3index.html
>
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'misunderstanding', as it appears my original post is being "mis-quoted",
below is what I originally posted.
It makes ya wonder! If the written word can be misunderstood, how much of
what one hears is repeated properly?!
In Struggle,
Kathy
In article <6q0pnl$1ik$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
mornin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Apparently, it's NOT so obvious. The 'letter to Leonard' that is posted on
> the AIM AZ site, has been there since 1996, along with most of the other info
> posted on the site.
>
> And you understand nothing about why the AZ site was originally pulled.
> (Except maybe you understand how to try and throw around mis-information or
> innuendos.) The site was pulled for completely different reasons, and when it
> was recently reactivated, it went up with the same 'letter' that was
> originally posted in 1996.
>
> I find it very interesting that other individuals would use 'outdated'
> information on the AZ site - that we have not had the opportunity to pull, or
> update, except for the concert page - as a renewed excuse for some 'power
> play'. It's not about power, it's about helping.
>
> I'm not speaking for Vernon Foster, but as myself, a member of AIM-AZ.
It's
> very curious that Leonard would write a letter on July 28th about the
> "outdated" letter on the AZ site, when he was aware of it very shortly after
> it was originally posted.
>
> In Struggle,
> Kathy
>
> In article <199807300809...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> human...@aol.com (HumanRight) wrote:
> > It is so obvious that a few AIM people have started these attacks. If I
> > understand correctly AimArizona took their web site off because of the
> > embarrasment at San Carlos Reservation. They just put it back up and this
> > letter atticking the LPDC was on it.
> > If you wanted to help so much why didn't you just help insted of attack
> > Leonard's committee. It don't make sense. I called the LPDC and they
> > verified the letter by Leonard is true. Leonard has asked you guys to back
off
> > so why don't you let Leonard and his committee get back to work and let them
> > help free the poor guy.
> >
>
JAMADACAI
writes:
>It makes ya wonder! If the written word can be misunderstood, how much of
>what one hears is repeated properly?!
Sorry about that. I just copied a line from the post, guess it wasa post within
a post or something and your name headed it. Wil try to be more careful in
future. Thanks to all who answered.
Angela : )
http://members.aol.com/JAMADACAI/3index.html
Host Site for AIM-Detroit
perceived attacks led to the last major disruption. There may be a lot of which
I am totally unaware, but the last word I personally have received from AIM Az
was a WELCOME back extended to you in friendship.
Don't trash others as you are doing with these letters..It hurts everyone..and
especially Leonard by creating divisions among his supporters..which is EXACTLY
what the FBI would like. Don't be doing their work for them..
Ish
(copy of message from AIM circulated this past Feb...below)
*><<<----- previously howled ------->>>
*>*Return-Path: <AI...@aol.com>
*>*From: AI...@aol.com
*>*Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:48:27 EST
*>*To: long list
*>*Subject: Peltier Statement and LPDC Info
*>*
*>*Leonard Peltier's Statement For February 6, 1998
*>*
*>*"Lets continue working in the direction that we're going. I can't
*>*receive any justice in the courts so the only thing we have to deal with
*>*is the political, we can only go back into the political arena. We can
*>*win by building a powerful block of people who are willing to organize
*>*for the rights of indigenous people. We must demand that the government
*>*quit obstructing justice and start obeying their own laws. There are
*>*still current Indian issues that haven't been resolved. Just because
*>*a few casinos exist most Indians are still poor. This struggle
*>*continues and people need to become more active. "
*>*
*>*The Leonard Peltier Defense Committee would also like to welcome back Bobby
*>*Castillo. He will resume his work as one of Leonard's International
*>*Spokespersons at the February 6, 1998 rally in San Francisco. Its a great
*>*pleasure to have Bobby back on the team.
*>*
*>*We also want to announce the Leonard Peltier Food Drive for the People of
*>*Chiapas. Thousands of people are near starvation in Chiapas. Leonard
*>*thought we should start a food drive. We hope you will join Leonard in
*>*supporting this effort. Leonard would also like to encourage you to
*>*attend Jericho 98 in Washington DC March 27, 1998 and the Rally to Free
*>*Leonard Peltier on June 27, 1998 outside the White House. Leonard did not
*>*have a hearing in February and hopes to go before the board in May.
*>*
*>*Leonard also asked us to make a request for donations. His Defense
*>*Committe is about to lose its office and phone. He needs $750 by next
*>*Friday or the phone will be cut off. He also just found out that the lease
*>*on his office ends March 1, 1998. He has less then $300 in his account.
*>*Its important that everyone send as much as they can to the address below.
*>*
*>*
*>*
*>*Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
*>*P.O Box 583
*>*Lawrence, KS 66044
*>*
*>*785-842-5774
*>*(785) 842-5774
*>*FAX: (785) 842-5796
*>*Homepage: www.unicom.net/peltier/index.html
*>*
*>*Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
*>*P.O Box 583
*>*Lawrence, KS 66044
*>*
*>*785-842-5774
*>*(785) 842-5774
*>*FAX: (785) 842-5796
*>*Homepage: www.unicom.net/peltier/index.html
*>*
*>*Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
*>*P.O Box 583
*>*Lawrence, KS 66044
*>*
*>*785-842-5774
*>*(785) 842-5774
*>*FAX: (785) 842-5796
*>*Homepage: www.unicom.net/peltier/index.html
*>*Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
*>*P.O Box 583
*>*Lawrence, KS 66044
*>*
*>*785-842-5774
*>*(785) 842-5774
*>*FAX: (785) 842-5796
*>*Homepage: www.unicom.net/peltier/index.html
*>*
*>*Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
*>*P.O Box 583
*>*Lawrence, KS 66044
*>*
*>*785-842-5774
*>*(785) 842-5774
*>*FAX: (785) 842-5796
*>*Homepage: www.unicom.net/peltier/index.html
mornin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
+Apparently, it's NOT so obvious. The 'letter to Leonard' that is posted on
+the AIM AZ site, has been there since 1996, along with most of the other info
+posted on the site.
+And you understand nothing about why the AZ site was originally pulled.
+(Except maybe you understand how to try and throw around mis-information or
+innuendos.) The site was pulled for completely different reasons, and when it
+was recently reactivated, it went up with the same 'letter' that was
+originally posted in 1996.
+I find it very interesting that other individuals would use 'outdated'
+information on the AZ site - that we have not had the opportunity to pull, or
+update, except for the concert page - as a renewed excuse for some 'power
+play'. It's not about power, it's about helping.
+I'm not speaking for Vernon Foster, but as myself, a member of AIM-AZ. It's
+very curious that Leonard would write a letter on July 28th about the
+"outdated" letter on the AZ site, when he was aware of it very shortly after
+it was originally posted.
+In Struggle,
+Kathy
+In article <199807300809...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
+ human...@aol.com (HumanRight) wrote:
+> It is so obvious that a few AIM people have started these attacks. If I
+> understand correctly AimArizona took their web site off because of the
+> embarrasment at San Carlos Reservation. They just put it back up and this
+> letter atticking the LPDC was on it.
+> If you wanted to help so much why didn't you just help insted of attack
+> Leonard's committee. It don't make sense. I called the LPDC and they
+> verified the letter by Leonard is true. Leonard has asked you guys to back off
+> so why don't you let Leonard and his committee get back to work and let them
+> help free the poor guy.
+>
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Aimfl
>Bobby..you have done this before and your swiftness in defending yourself
>from>perceived attacks led to the last major disruption.
Mr. Castillo has in fact alienated many Florida AIM members who have friends
and relatives associated with his associates from them. His vitrolic and often
innacurate or at least muddled attacks on National AIM and the Treaty Council
while using Leonard as a podium to do so is very disturbing.
>Don't trash others as you are doing with these letters
Then don't circulate them Ish.
>.It hurts everyone..and >especially Leonard by creating divisions among his
supporters..which is >EXACTLY
>what the FBI would like
I would agree that it serves the interests of those opposed to Leonard's
freedom to create division and Bobby's actions in doing so lend credence to
those who argue his acts are purposeful. If they are not, and if Bobby is
honestly interested in securing freedom for Leonard Peltier he should be man
enough, activist enough, and put Leonard before him and work towards unity
rather than divisiveness.
cuauh...@earthlink.net
August 4, 1998
I think that everyone knows that some very important things have been
starting to happen for Leonard Peltier. It's obvious by looking at the
LPDC web site http://members.xoom.com/freepeltier/index.html that a
whole new campaign is shaping up. It has been very difficult for myself
to be able to work on his campaign because of personal attacks against
me by members of the National American Indian Movement Incorporated and
their subsidiaries. Never the less I am still here trying to gain the
FREEDOM of our brother Leonard Peltier. I am very proud that Leonard
wants me to continue working towards his Liberation. With this from
Leonard I am going to work even harder in trying to gain his release.
It is obvious that the main criticism against the LPDC and myself
comes from a small group of Aim chapters affiliated with the National
American Indian Movement. Tsalagiwmn @aol.com and AIM Arizona,
Ishg...@tdi.net for AIM-Detroit and Don Foster and Sheridan Murphy for
Aimfl are the few.
Leonard has responded to the letter written to him by Vernon Foster and
which Vernon was posted on his web site home page.
http://www.dickshovel.com/azaim.html This accuses the LPDC of being a
crooked operation.
In the National Aim web site Vernon Bellcourt has a letter addressing
Autonomous Aim.
http://www.dickshovel.com/auto.html in his letter he specifically asks
people affiliated with AIM and people world wide to isolate Bobby
Castillo and listed co-conspirators and/ or collaborators. These
co-conspirators are all members of various chapters of the American
Indian Movement who were unhappy with the leadership of National AIM and
because they're never was an election to determine the leadership. See
Edgewood Declaration http://www.dickshovel.com/Edgewood.html Vernon
Bellecourt specifically singles me out while I was and still am the
International Spokesperson for Leonard Peltier. Back then Bob
Robideaux, Ward Churchill, David Hill, Dian Million and George Martin
were also part of the LPDC. The whole committee was under attack by the
National American Indian Movement. Now all those people are out of the
way and I seem to be getting the main focus in being gotten rid of.
Like I said, I'm still here.
The above are just the attacks on the Internet. This does not include
the phone calls, physical assaults, smashing of my hearing aid, calling
my boy's house telling him I am dead, breaking my car windows, having
the police come into my house with their gun's drawn, letter campaigns,
etc. National AIM Inc., has raked me through the coals. I'm not Anna
Mae and won't get set up like her. The people who are behind all this
did the exact same thing's bad jacketing Anna Mae. See Anna Mae Time
Line http://www.dickshovel.com/time.html Knowing this about Anna Mae
makes me proud of the courage that Bob Pictu Branscombe has in his
pursuit of the truth and justice for his cousin Anna Mae Pictu Aquash.
It is obvious that there are differences in AIM and these differences
have hurt Leonard Peltier. Leonard Peltier has decided who is working
on his committee. He has visits from his Lawyers and his para-legals on
a regular basis. He is very angry that this web site exists with the
accusation about his committee. Discrediting (Bad Jacketing) is one of
co-intel-pro's favorites. I have spent the past several months talking
to Leonard almost every day. (Before phone privileges were revoked)
Leonard and his committee have been working hard on concrete plans to
gain his release. We have been under constant attack and ridicule. I
didn't see any of the people attacking us at the Washington DC meeting
June 26th. Why were they not helping out and planning and working on
strategy for Leonard's release with the rest of us. Nor did you
organize people for the Rally on June 27th to show support for Leonard's
release in front of the White House.
These attacks have managed to get events and important meetings
canceled concerning Leonard Peltier around the world. Is this what you
are trying to do? What benefit can you honestly provide for Leonard
Peltier by continuing this? Just stop these attacks!. I ask the
National American Indian Movement to take the letter off the AIM
Arizona web page. Take your letter off attacking me from your AIM
website by Vernon Bellecourt. Stop the attacks against the Leonard
Peltier Defense Committee. Let the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee
get its work done. When you remove these attacks from your websites,
we will quit responding.
N-Aim tries to say that Jordan Dill acts independently but he is mostly
given the information from Vernon Bellecourt and other AIM people.
Don't let Jordan be the scape goat.
FREE LEONARD PELTIER!
FREE MUMIA! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS! U.S. OUT OF CHIAPAS!
Bobby Castillo/International Spokesperson for the LPDC
Ps. I feel that the Internet is the new co-intel-pro tool of
misinformation, If you want to know the truth about the Leonard Peltier
Defense Committee call. (785) 842-5774 or email at lp...@idir.net
http://members.xoom.com/freepeltier/index.html
FreeAztlan
peter webster
freea...@aol.com (FreeAztlan) wrote:
> Bobby Castillo/International Spokesperson for the LPDC
>
> Ps. I feel that the Internet is the new co-intel-pro tool of misinformation,
> If you want to know the truth about the Leonard Peltier Defense
Committee call.
> (785) 842-5774 or email at lp...@idir.net
> http://members.xoom.com/freepeltier/index.html
Hmm. Well...I guess that Lenny Bruce was right菊ven paranoids have real
enemies...
"People who say you are either part of the solution or part of the problem
are also part of the problem."
Aimfl
>It has been very difficult for myself to be able to>work on his campaign
because of personal attacks against me by members of the>National American
Indian Movement Incorporated and their subsidiaries
Perhaps Mr. Castillo if you focused your attention on freeing Leonard rather
than responding to nearly two year old letters that have nothing to do with
you-which you were well aware of, things would be easier for you.
> It is obvious that the main criticism against the LPDC and myself comes from
>a small group of Aim chapters affiliated with the National American Indian
>Movement. Tsalagiwmn @aol.com and AIM Arizona, Ishg...@tdi.net for
>AIM-Detroit and Don Foster and Sheridan Murphy for Aimfl are the few.
To my knowledge the criticisms are solely of you, and solely due to your
continued promotion of divisiveness-as evidenced by this correspondance which
has no meaning other than to attack AIM chapters and national leaders.
> In the National Aim web site Vernon Bellcourt has a letter addressing
>Autonomous Aim.
>http://www.dickshovel.com/auto.
Once again you purposefully supply misinformation to the public, for what
purpose Mr. Castillo? The address for the national AIM office-as you are well
aware is www.aimovement.org. The site to which you refer is an unauthorized
site, not affilliated with any AIM group that is done through the personal
interest and dedication of Mr. Jordan Dill-who is not a member or even an
affiliate of any AIM chapter or office.
> in his letter he specifically asks people
>affiliated with AIM and people world wide to isolate Bobby Castillo
Perhaps, because, you have shown consistently on the internet a propensity for
making divisive statements such as this and furthering confusion within the
movement and among people of goodwill. While you denounce Vernon Bellecourt's
statement regarding you, you validate it with each new post. I would ask
anyone with deja news to check aimca@earthlink and this address of mr.
Castillo's. Compare the number of posts on Peltier's behalf to the number in
which Mr. Castillo is attacking a myriad of good people and activists with AIM.
The later will far outweigh any posts to the contrary. Further I challenge
those with deja news to find a post-not a response but an original post where
Florida AIM, Arizona AIM, National AIM or any AIM chapter attacked Mr.
Castillo. You will not be able to find one.
> I'm not Anna Mae and won't get set up
>like her. The people who are behind all this did the exact same thing's bad
>jacketing Anna Mae.
This is among the most reprehensible, irresponsible and unconsionable acts of
divisveness undertaken to date by you Mr. Castillo. The information on the
site, you earlier in this post condemn and further attribute to National AIM,
provides no evidence that National AIM leaders were involved to any greater or
lesser degree than your associates may have been involved.
Don Foster
Aimfl
In response to the vitrolic statements by Bobby Castillo at large, I believe
representatives of Arizona AIM, AIM National Office and the others are quite
able to determine how, and if they should respond.
In response to his statements regarding the American Indian Movement of
Florida and myself in particular I will respond.
I as well as Florida AIM are unaware of any "attack" against the Leonard
Peltier Defense Committee by the National AIM office, Grand Governing Council
or Arizona AIM. I have read the letter Mr. Foster wrote to Mr. Peltier-over a
year ago. I think the concerns regarding various staff people-who were there at
that time, and are no longer there-were valid. I believe Kathleen did incorrect
things and that was addressed by the LPDC-however I think Vernon Foster's
concerns were valid and expressed in a proper manner to Leonard Peltier.
Nowehere in that letter did Mr. Foster deride the entire LPDC and further
nowehere in that letter did he specifically mention Mr. Castillo.
Florida AIM has never attacked the LPDC. We have-as far back as 1992, made
questions about some statements and each time we did so privately. We, and I
have questioned why Mr. Castillo continues to broadcast his attacks on the
internet. Mr. Bellecourt has never come onto the internet usenet news groups
and made posts about you Mr. Castillo. Currently no mention of you is on the
AIM web site (www.aimovement.org) and there is certainly no attack against Mr.
Peltier. The site you mention derisevly and then utilize as a primary source
for material is run by an individual who is not a member of AIM, and not a
site authorized by AIM, but rather a site put up by a dedicated person on his
own-expressing his own views and some AIM documents. Florida AIM's concern has
solely been the divisiveness you seem to desire to spread. Perhaps if more of
your posts were encouraging people to do this, or that for Leonard rather than
to attack National AIM members and the movement in general we would be far less
concerned about what you do-maybe we might even be inclined to support your
efforts on Leonard's behalf. Instead all we have seen from you on the internet
are attacks against Vernon Bellecourt, Vernon Foster, Carole Standing Elk, Fern
Mathias, Bill Means, Clyde Bellecourt, Dennis Banks, Antonio Gonzales, Tina,
......................... This certainly does not help Leonards case, but
rather spurns more divisive behavior. I know when we talked with Steve Robideau
he was more interested in getting Leonard out of jail than what Vernon
Bellecourt or Dennis Banks were up to. How come you aren't?
You bring up the Edgewood Declaration and the division between those people
and the AIM. What does this have to do with freeing Leonard? You know if you
were just doing the work to free Leonard and not spending your time attacking
anybody associated with the National AIM, IITC, AIOIC, AIAI and Peacemakers
Center I might be inclined to see your point. But you don;t do that. You are a
far more visible purveyor of the divisiveness that any of those people that
concern you. Dennis Banks, who you deride showed solidarity in his work for
Leonard by coming to your Freedom Weekend. Didn;t see you at the Walk For
Justice did we. Florida AIM members went to both-to support Leonard which was
the point of both events. By promoting this divisive agenda you are precluding
any unity that Steve may be trying to bring about and that unity may free
Leonard.
Bringin up the Anna Mae issue is irresponsible at best. If the information on
Jordan's pages are accurate it involves the National AIM people no more that
involves Autonomous people. Bringing it up in a self-serving smear attack is
unconsionable.
You probably didn't see anybody at June 26th because previous attempts at
unity with you have proven fruitless (see Dennis at Freedom Weekend). I know
the attacks on his Bring Peltier Home rally were baseless. I was at every stop
in Florida and met with people at other stops because the accusations concerned
me.
Bobby, if you posted stuff about working for Leonard-sans attacking somebody,
I know nobody from here would say anything. In fact we would probably support
those events for Leonard. But nine out of ten posts by you on usenet have been
attacks in one form or another on Vernon Bellecourt, Dennis Banks, Bill Means
etal. Maybe if you invested the time you spend in attacking people on working
for Leonard he might be free, and maybe you would not be getting the flack you
are. Division will not serve the cause for Leonard, and while you can't control
the actions of others you can stop yourself from keeping the wheels of division
spinning.
Sincerely
Sheridan Murphy
jeanine r pinkney
Aimfl
>Back then Bob Robideaux, Ward Churchill, David Hill, Dian
>Million and George Martin were also part of the LPDC
Mr. Castillo accusing National AIM leaders of removing these individuals is
unconsionable and directly in conflict with the facts.
Mr. Robert Robideau left the defense committee of his own accord in 1992 in a
dispute he had with Ms. Lisa Farulo-then the office coordinator and Leonard
over a San Fransisco art exhibit known as "Art in Chains. Mr. Robideau's
conflicts with National AIM nonwithstanding they are not relevant to his
departure from LPDC and certainly not with his involvement in the Edgewood
meeting-which occured nearly a year AFTER he and his wife Paulette left the
LPDC
Mr. Ward Churchill resigned or was forced out under Lisa Farulo for a variety
of reasons based on the divisiveness created by him and him alone. He also
resigned of his own accord in 1992. Further in an email you sent us on July 13,
1997 did you not state, " I 100% agree about your questions of Ward.".
Mr. David Hill was answering the phones at the LPDC office as late as two weeks
ago.
In reviewing LPDC letterhead as far back as 1988 I fail to see a document that
we have recieved as a AIM chapter or the St. Petersburg LPSG or any Florida
LPSG has recieved with either George Martin or Dian Million's name on it. Both
are known as members or associates of your other organization which is not the
LPDC.
The question must be raised are you defending yourself or simply agitating to
maintain any divisive nature that may or may not exist. Anyone who wish's may
seek to find through deja news or some other such archive how this recent
affair began. And one must note you initiated the posts attacking Vernon Foster
and misconstruing his nearly two-year old letter regarding concerns that
Arizona AIM and many others had regarding LPDC-which were obviously shared by
Leonard or there would not have been the series of recent changes in staff etc
at LPDC.
As such there was no attack on the LPDC-simply valid concerns expressed(a year
and one half ago) to Leonard by Arizona AIM. There was no attack on Mr.
Castillo as no mention of your name appears in the Arizona AIM letter. Why then
raise the issue, becomes a very valid question to ask you.
You raise the question of Mr. Bellecourt's statement from, again, over a year
ago. Are we to believe that in August of 1998 this is the first you have heard
of this statement made on October 24, 1996?
Did you not tell us in an email dated July 13, 1997 that, " I support both
side" and further < "I became ineffective for Leonard and had to quit his
committee. Leonard does not need all the controversy." If so, Mr. Castillo why
are you stirring the pot?
Don Foster
peter webster
given moment.
This whole who's AIM who isn't AIM, who's attacking who‹what are we doing,
reliving the Trotskite-Stalinist wars? How about working to prevent fetal
alcohol syndrome, or shelters for battered women, half-way houses for
adolescents w/substance abuse problems?
Give me a break, you guys. There's more important shit going on!
justanoldman
pete...@ethergate.com (peter webster) wrote:
ROTFL!! I been waiting for someone to put the focus back on Leonard... (&
the "other stuff" you mention.)
("... you don't have to much like the guy standing next to you on the
front line.. Just be damn glad he's there when it's time to stand up & be
counted...")
Aimfl
>This whole who's AIM who isn't AIM, who's attacking who‹what are we doing,
>reliving the Trotskite-Stalinist wars? How about working to prevent fetal
>alcohol syndrome, or shelters for battered women, half-way houses for
>adolescents w/substance abuse problems?
>
>Give me a break, you guys. There's more important shit going on!
Please show me where the question of who is or isn't AIM has been played out
herein.
There are many personalities within the American Indian Movement but since its
founding in 1968 there has only been one American Indian Movement.
The issue of Mr. Castillo, as he is NOT a member of AIM-by his own statements
in a email correspondance to this office-but of his own Aztlan Liberation
Organization -has therefore little to do with AIM.
What it has to do with his Mr. Castillo's choice to continue stirring the pot
of divisivness. To bring up a nearly two year old letter by Vernon Foster of
Arizona AIM that had no relation to Mr. Castillo and a two year old letter by
AIM National Spokesman Vernon Bellecourt that had no relation to the LPDC
serves no functional purpose for Leonard Peltier, but instead serves to create
division. Noticeably when Castillo was not associated with LPDC he made loud
protestations that all those associated with LPDC were feds or working with the
feds. (witness the Jordan Dill site) Noticeably no one at LPDC at that time was
affililliated in any way with the national AIM leadership.
Our concern is that Castillo, rather than focusing on Leonard, is focusing on
his own ego and promoting divisiveness. Had he posted regarding the issues no
one here at Florida AIM would have made any statements other than those
supporting the issues. Instead Mr. Castillo has made dangerous accusations
against a host of AIM leaders-none of which will serve Leonard in any
meaningful capacity-but will instead stir the pot of confusion and divison.
As for the internal politics within the American Indian Movement-any issues
certainly should be discussed within the organization and not on the usenet.
Unless of course someone wish's to promote confusion and thats why Castillo
concerns us.
As for thoe issues, we are dealing with them here-which is why we do not have
time to initiate such "attacks" or propoganda against any individual. However,
we can not sit idely by while Mr. Castillo does so, and we will challenge his
innacurate, and inflammatory statements regarding AIM leaders.
Sheridan Murphy