Re: Some Explanation
aine
> On Jul 11, 11:44 am, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <jpsti...@isp.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hope wrote:
> > > While this "Guardian" was harassing and threatening Wolfie, monica
> > > asked her to rid alt.native of another of those she calls
> > > "whitebutts,"
>
> > Which clearly shows this "Monica" is a fake, her style and use of
> > language is NOT Native, her choice of slander is standard urban ghetto
> > rhetoric.<
>
> Not really. I rented to "real" N/A's. Interacted with them and
> 'Tribal' members. Actually she is being quite tame in calling us
> "Whitebutts". I think it is funny because I call myself a whitebutt
> and I have been told there is N/A in my family.
>
> Beats what "whitebutts" called and did to N/A's. I mean some whites
> still are nasty to N/A's. When passion and anger gets aroused, people
> say all sorts of things.
> Pointing fingers suck, but certainly arw and usenet in general shows
> all sorts of refined classy "real" people of all races stoop to words
> like, moron, crack head etc..
>
> You can't make someone an example just because you do not agree with
> them or don't like them and excuse everyone else's behavior.
>
> > And given her preferred style of posting its obvious why she has to rely
> > to the internet to have anything that passes for human contact.
>
> > Reminds me of "The Baroness" in her naivety.<
>
> I plain do not get that person. I try but man, I thought I could be
> all over the place! Whew.. ya, and the name is so long it bugs my
> psyche..points off.
aine
> On Jul 11, 11:17 am, Hope <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You have to do what you have to do.
>
> Frankly, it appears all parties have been on Usenet a long time. I
> could be wrong.
>
> You cannot blame what is posted on Usenet for someones illness or
> death. Why stay for the abuse if you are that ill? If Usenet is the
> cause, is not the cure to leave?
>
> The victim card is being played here. Right or wrong, it is the way it
> is and you & many others here do to Sid what you claim this person is
> doing so...get the picture?
>
> What, so this one seems personal so it is not okay? That boggles me
> more then anything. If this person came in out of the blue stalking
> the other because of real life issues and never had been involved with
> them on Usenet , then ya I get it but this does not seem to be the
> case that I can see.
>
> Am I missing something?
aine
> suddenly showing up, there have been serious developments.
> "Guardian's" most recent quarry in her mission to "annihilate" what
> she termed "faux Indians" was NorahChristine Runningwolf. I posted
> about that here and asked for information and advice.
>
> While this "Guardian" was harassing and threatening Wolfie, monica
> asked her to rid alt.native of another of those she calls
> an Indian (which monica deems highly offensive.) In fact, monica told
> her that every white person there was claiming to be Indian in a
> desperate attempt to put Guardian on our trail too. Of course there
> was no evidence of that to be found. But that's beside the point now.
>
> Wolfie's husband Ray was very ill. When "Guardian" started posting
> his personal information online as part of her attack on Wolfie, he
> became very upset, for his own reasons. He was also depressed that he
> could not protect his wife from being stalked and threatened and
> accused of all kinds of weird stuff.
>
> According to Wolfie, this ugliness was the straw that broke the
> camel's back for a man already dealing with life-threatening illnesses
> and stress. She said it pushed him over the edge. He is now dead, by
> choice, and Wolfie is left to deal with the horror.
>
> Wolfie's friends, myself included, are angered and upset and
> disgusted. Guardian has not made an appearance since this happened,
> and that's a good thing. I made a decision to stop interacting with
> monica because I am not able to control my negative emotions and the
> toxicity is getting out of hand.
>
> That sent her into a tizzy and she is taking desperate measures to
> either draw me back in or do her own brand of "annihilating" an
> enemy. She has decided crossposting things here and to ard (though I
> have told her numerous times I don't hang out there) is a good way to
> "prove" that she is the good guy in all this. AFTER this happened she
> stated that only Indians are human beings. So I suppose there is no
> reason for her to feel anything about what happened, including
> compassion. No human beings were harmed, after all.
>
> monica is claiming I invited people from here to come to alt.native to
> ruin the site, and she is claiming that anyone from here MUST be part
> of some kind of "evil Wiccan coven" who try to cast "black spells" to
> harm her Tribe because of whaling issues. She will not hear anything
> different. The truth is that Wolfie's friends are coming from all
> over to show their support for her. That's what friends do.
>
> For my part in this, I am extremely sorry. I apologize that I brought
> it to arw by seeking advice about what to do about this Pagan
> determined to "annihilate" people. I knew before she showed up it was
> going to be bad, but I didn't see HOW bad. If I had known how this
> was going to turn out, I would have asked for any help available to
> prevent it, including taking myself out of it rather than trying to
> "protect" my friend. I made mistakes and those consequences are mine
> to own.
>
> It's all very convoluted and if you stick a toe in, you might find you
> are in quicksand. I don't like what my energy becomes when I let
> myself get sucked in. I will NOT respond to any of monica's posts here
> or anywhere else, so eventually she will probably cease and desist--
> especially if she can find a new source to keep her hate addiction
> fueled. Until then, block/ignore the posts or not as you see fit.
>
> I am going to be taking a break from arw in hopes that will speed the
> process. Besides, I need to get re-centered and do some work on
> myself instead of spending so much time and energy looking at who else
> needs work.
>
> I wish you all well on your journey. May the soles of your feet be
> firm on your path.
Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
cannot respond, object to or reply to..
Bad form Hope.
Monica
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thank you for posting this. Kim tries to present herself as honorable
and balanced and truthful. In actuality she is the most evil person I
have encountered.
Hope
>
> Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
> cannot respond, object to or reply to..
>
> Bad form Hope.
What the hell are you talking about? Who cannot respond? Whose back
am I posting behind? Are you playing the victim card for another of
your "underdogs"? monica chose to bring shit here about me.
For the second time, someone tried to hack my Google account, and
suddenly monica is posting my full name in forums that she has no
other interest in, as if it is some big prize to be displayed, some
big secret. Trust me, she's all over this. She cannot bring herself
to leave a word about me unread. She's reading the groups. *I* do
not like crossposting, and the folks in ard have requested that it not
be done regarding this issue. But of course you know best for them.
I am not in the market for a netiquette nanny, aine. Think what you
want, jump in and crosspost whatever you want. Impose your rules, Ms.
"There is no right or wrong." Fix it all up to suit aine.
Talk about bad form...
Monica
Don't look now but you're throwing a tantrum princess. LOL!
aine
>
>
>
> > Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
> > cannot respond, object to or reply to..
>
> > Bad form Hope.
>
> What the hell are you talking about? Who cannot respond? Whose back
> am I posting behind? Are you playing the victim card for another of
> your "underdogs"? monica chose to bring shit here about me.<
You brought this to arw.
Alt.Native people have been posting here and responding. They have a
right to read it when you are telling yet another view of them and
involving another group of peoples replies.
Then you write this apology, I am leaving note but take the
opportunity to again give your views and side of the story. Problem
is, you left off alt.native on the original post.
I did not catch it before I sent but I sure as hell am not going to
post about people or a situation without giving them a right to reply
back to me whether they agree or not after they have been so involved
past, the original "give me your thoughts" post you wrote.
s�r`ch�sm
> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
> > cannot respond, object to or reply to..
>
> > Bad form Hope.
>
>
> What the hell are you talking about? Who cannot respond? Whose back
> am I posting behind? Are you playing the victim card for another of
> your "underdogs"? monica chose to bring shit here about me.
>
> For the second time, someone tried to hack my Google account, and
> suddenly monica is posting my full name in forums that she has no
> other interest in, as if it is some big prize to be displayed, some
> big secret. Trust me, she's all over this. She cannot bring herself
> to leave a word about me unread. She's reading the groups. *I* do
> not like crossposting, and the folks in ard have requested that it not
> be done regarding this issue. But of course you know best for them.
>
> I am not in the market for a netiquette nanny, aine. Think what you
> want, jump in and crosspost whatever you want. Impose your rules, Ms.
> "There is no right or wrong." Fix it all up to suit aine.
>
> Talk about bad form...
>
>Don't look now but you're throwing a tantrum princess. LOL!
>
Seems to me that you've been throwing the tantrums ever since you rowed your
flame-canoe over, monica-martyr. What was that you were saying about whites
not being human again?
Hope
> On Jul 11, 1:44 pm, Hope <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 2:47 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
> > > cannot respond, object to or reply to..
>
> > > Bad form Hope.
>
> > What the hell are you talking about? Who cannot respond? Whose back
> > am I posting behind? Are you playing the victim card for another of
> > your "underdogs"? monica chose to bring shit here about me.<
>
> You brought this to arw.
Yes. I posted about BETSY here. And I apologized for that. And YOU
chose to involve yourself in it, did you not?
>
> Alt.Native people have been posting here and responding. They have a
> right to read it when you are telling yet another view of them and
> involving another group of peoples replies.
Yes, and since, as you say, THEY ARE POSTING HERE AND RESPONDING, one
might assume they can read it for themselves here and decide whether
to respond, without a nanny carrying it to them in another forum and
deciding for the authors of posts where they WILL post.
>
> Then you write this apology, I am leaving note but take the
> opportunity to again give your views and side of the story. Problem
> is, you left off alt.native on the original post.
>
> I did not catch it before I sent but I sure as hell am not going to
> post about people or a situation without giving them a right to reply
> back to me whether they agree or not after they have been so involved
> past, the original "give me your thoughts" post you wrote.
Well, that's a real head scratcher of a sentence. The thing is, you
are not making the decision for YOURSELF. You are making it for ME.
I don't tell you where you have to post or who you have to respond
to.
The people posting here are adults. Who the hell are you to decide
where they can and can't post or where they HAVE to post? If I choose
to speak to one group of people only, what gives you the right to tell
me I can't? Do you do that for everyone, or are you being
"selective," as you accuse others of being when they don't take your
views?
The forums involved are open, public forums. Anyone can read. Anyone
can post. Anyone can respond. That is obvious from the posts showing
up.
Oh btw...I notice monica crossposted about my totally evil self. But
she conveniently LEFT ALT.NATIVE OFF. If you feel you need to
supervise everyone and make sure they play by your rules, I assume you
are going to do her the same courtesy you did me and POST IT THERE,
whether she likes it or not. I mean, since you are all about being
fair and giving everyone a chance to see and respond to everything and
give their views and all. And maybe I'll post your stuff wherever I
decide it belongs. There are so many groups that deserve to be made
aware of your ideas and hear about your life. And you have shown me
it is my right to decide that for you.
aine
> "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> eggs on:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Possibly no worse then the canoe, casino and squinted eye remarks you
made which is an insult to all Native Americans including any
whitebutts that have some in them. Again, as it was with Betsy's post
in attempt to personally insult you show your racism against an entire
culture.
s�r`ch�sm
> "s�r`ch�sm" <s�r`ch�s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> eggs on:
> > "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
> > > cannot respond, object to or reply to..
>
> > > Bad form Hope.
>
> > Hope <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What the hell are you talking about? Who cannot respond? Whose back
> > am I posting behind? Are you playing the victim card for another of
> > your "underdogs"? monica chose to bring shit here about me.
> > to leave a word about me unread. She's reading the groups. *I* do
> > not like crossposting, and the folks in ard have requested that it not
> > be done regarding this issue. But of course you know best for them.
>
> > I am not in the market for a netiquette nanny, aine. Think what you
> > want, jump in and crosspost whatever you want. Impose your rules, Ms.
> > "There is no right or wrong." Fix it all up to suit aine.
>
> > Talk about bad form...
>
> >Don't look now but you're throwing a tantrum princess. LOL!
>
> Seems to me that you've been throwing the tantrums ever since you rowed
> your
> flame-canoe over, monica-martyr. What was that you were saying about
> whites not being human again?
>
>Possibly no worse then the canoe, casino and squinted eye remarks you
>made which is an insult to all Native Americans including any
>whitebutts that have some in them.
>
They could be taken as racist remarks, although that's more of a stretch
than "all whites are not human", which you had no snide comments about. The
"canoe" reference was an oblique one to her coming over to arw prior to any
crossposts - not a tribal slur. Would you've preferred motorboat, thus
likely implying a slur against nontraditional whaling methods? The
squinting eye was a reference to her blindspot about her own racism and the
casino comment referred to making money off of the whites she despises.
Having explained these matters to you, you'll no doubt still not "get it"
and support an anti-white racist who "happens" to be S'Kallam. There's no
pleasing you, which is why that's not the intent. Hypocrisy much?
>
>Again, as it was with Betsy's post
>in attempt to personally insult you show your racism against an entire
>culture.
>
You are welcome to see things as myopically as you wish to, it doesn't make
it so. Did I insult betsy-wetsy's neo-nazi pals in the S.S.peripherally?
That's a damn shame. My remarks were not directed, implicitly or explicitly
towards "entire cultures"; much as you and those you're backing would wish
they were. Claim it all you like; it's an unfounded opinion based upon your
faulty interpretations.
aine
> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your beliefs change subject to who your friends are and no, that is
not what friends do. When they ask your opinion they want to believe
they are solid opinions, not changeable based on your feelings about
them as friends.
Nothing you say has validity because you have shown to do this,
therefore I can easily write your posts off because, geeze, if you
decide Hope is not your friend tomorrow, they could change. It is a
waste of time to discuss anything with you.
Carry on..as always this will be handled where it should be.
Monica
I left off our group because I was apologizing to the druids and
wiccans for crossposting. I hate it too. I want them to see how evil
you are to Indian People. They have seen. I assume you are ashamed why
you announced you were withdrawing from their sites.
Monica
> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
No. It was intentionally racist.
s�r`ch�sm
>
> They could be taken as racist remarks, although that's more of a stretch
> than "all whites are not human", which you had no snide comments about.
> The
> "canoe" reference was an oblique one to her coming over to arw prior to
> any
> crossposts - not a tribal slur. Would you've preferred motorboat, thus
> likely implying a slur against nontraditional whaling methods? The
> squinting eye was a reference to her blindspot about her own racism and
> the
> casino comment referred to making money off of the whites she despises.
> Having explained these matters to you, you'll no doubt still not "get it"
> and support an anti-white racist who "happens" to be S'Kallam. There's no
> pleasing you, which is why that's not the intent. Hypocrisy much?
>
> towards "entire cultures"; much as you and those you're backing would wish
> they were. Claim it all you like; it's an unfounded opinion based upon
> your
> faulty interpretations.
>
>
>No. It was intentionally racist.
>
In your opinion, which does not make it so since you are unable to discern
my intent for me.
Monica
> "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
But you seem capable of discerning my intent. You're wrong fizzled
flames.
s�r`ch�sm
>But you seem capable of discerning my intent.
>
No, I said you posted your opinion and you did. I further stated that you
are unable to discern my intent, and you aren't/
>
>You're wrong fizzled flames.
>
Because you say so? That's humorously untrue. Is your flame intended to
imply that I'm another poster you don't like, (and is therefore, by
'monica-default', a "racist"?).
Ren
> Thank you for posting this. Kim tries to present herself as honorable
> and balanced and truthful. In actuality she is the most evil person I
> have encountered.
That is the same trash that Betsy "Guardian" Ashby and Sidney
"Evergreen" Lambe post.
Monica, why don't you just shut your mouth before I shut it magickally
for you.
Ren
> I left off our group because I was apologizing to the druids and
> wiccans for crossposting. I hate it too. I want them to see how evil
> you are to Indian People. They have seen. I assume you are ashamed why
> you announced you were withdrawing from their sites.
So you thought to show how evil people are to Indians by insulting
whites and Wicca in the same racist and elitist way. Not smart at all,
are you.
Ren
> No. It was intentionally racist.
Two wrongs don't make a right. If you want to rage against racism,
don't be a racist yourself.
Evergreen
You couldn't make a bird fly with the useless theatrical woo-woo
you call 'magick', you pathetic clown.
Sid
--
Sidney Lambe
Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (at) gmail (dot) com
aine
This is the same trash Hope and Sar write as well. Just depends on the
side of the fence you are on. Good luck with shutting her up
magickally or even having the right to do so.
I never got on well with Monica in the past but I have never fought
with her either past a brief discussion maybe. Doesn't mean I can't
see her side of it.
Ren
> This is the same trash Hope and Sar write as well. Just depends on the
> side of the fence you are on. Good luck with shutting her up
> magickally or even having the right to do so.
>
> I never got on well with Monica in the past but I have never fought
> with her either past a brief discussion maybe. Doesn't mean I can't
> see her side of it.
You can kiss my big ol'white butt, aine. Wait. This is aine I'm
talking to. I don't know about you but I am getting a big laugh out of
Sidney trying to get people to respond to him in this thread and being
completely ignored by everyone. It is as if he is a petulant child
trying to be noticed at an adult party.
aine
> On Jul 12, 7:14 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is the same trash Hope and Sar write as well. Just depends on the
> > side of the fence you are on. Good luck with shutting her up
> > magickally or even having the right to do so.
>
> > I never got on well with Monica in the past but I have never fought
> > with her either past a brief discussion maybe. Doesn't mean I can't
> > see her side of it.
>
> You can kiss my big ol'white butt, aine. <
Been there, done that, will do again..forever and a day.
>Wait. This is aine I'm
> talking to. <
At least you talk rather then rolling over and snoring.
>I don't know about you but I am getting a big laugh out of
> Sidney trying to get people to respond to him in this thread and being
> completely ignored by everyone. It is as if he is a petulant child
> trying to be noticed at an adult party.<
You do not know the half of it. The adult party is Tent City!
Ren
>
> as this "Monica" uses indicates to me some one not very familiar
> with NA insults. More new age wannabe "Indian" than the real thing.
I'm not buying the whole "Monica" thing either. The real Monica
Charles is somewhat of a politician. She isn't dumb enough to attack
racism while at the same time calling people white Wiccan racists.
Is she?
I say we compare the email address and IP information. If they are too
different people, then the real Monica Charles can sue the impostor.
The Dark Monica could be brought up on criminal charges for out of
control harassment which contributed to a man's suicide.
zayton
Maybe we need to be "enrolled" as humans?
zayton
>
> I left off our group because I was apologizing to the druids and
> wiccans for crossposting. I hate it too. I want them to see how evil
> you are to Indian People. They have seen. I assume you are ashamed why
> you announced you were withdrawing from their sites.
If you hate crossposting, then why have you been persistantly doing it?
Evergreen
> On Jul 13, 6:49=A0am, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <jpsti...@isp.com
>>
>> as this "Monica" uses indicates to me some one not very familiar
>
> I'm not buying the whole "Monica" thing either. The real Monica
> Charles is somewhat of a politician. She isn't dumb enough to attack
> racism while at the same time calling people white Wiccan racists.
>
> Is she?
>
> I say we compare the email address and IP information. If they are too
> different people, then the real Monica Charles can sue the impostor.
> The Dark Monica could be brought up on criminal charges for out of
> control harassment which contributed to a man's suicide.
More threats from ren. And like all of his other threats they will
come to nothing and ren will go on assuming that we are so dumb
that we don't notice that none of his threats ever come to pass.
He wants people to believe that he has power and influence of many
kinds. The truth is that he has none. He's just a bag of hot air.
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
Why you just cited extensive argument why a Topic of Interest ACROSS GROUPS has
the Right to be Cross Posted to all Interested Parties.
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> I want them to see how evil
> you are to Indian People.
I want the World to know how EVIL the SASSERS ARE.
They "ATTACK" Fellowship, telling people what they are allowed to think or
discuss, and insult everyone.
They are the "Virus PROBLEM" on the Net.
They do not engage in "Freedom of Speech" they wage WAR, and as a DESCENDANT of
the Chieftain's of the "Reds", they found a Barbarian Warrior, born of the LAW.
I am the Descendant of the 6, the Chieftains of the Ancients.
I am the Mountain brought forth from the Ocean.
Born of the Hind or the Great ELK.
Descendant of the Red Bull, the Stagg or Bison.
I am a Blood of the Yellow Witch, SHE who is the Bheare/Protectorate of the
Cave of the North Wind, House of the Si Pan or Divine Wind.
I am Descended from Set, the Ass of a Man, he who BRED the HORSE.
My Family as such� "Had the Cart, before the Horse"!
I am the Storm Gaete, born of 2 Gods, the House Zeus and Odin, the Heir of
Apollo and Thor.
I am, The Blue Kachina of� THUNDER, WALKING.
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Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
He and Tom, the Socks of some� rather Dirty Feet.
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s�r`ch�sm
> "s�r`ch�sm" wrote:
>> "Monica" <yan...@gmail.com> eggs on:
>>> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Because I do not believe in posting behind others back that they
>>>> cannot respond, object to or reply to..
>>>
>>>> Bad form Hope.
>>>
>>> Hope <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What the hell are you talking about? Who cannot respond? Whose back
>>> am I posting behind? Are you playing the victim card for another of
>>> your "underdogs"? monica chose to bring shit here about me.
>>>
>>> For the second time, someone tried to hack my Google account, and
>>> suddenly monica is posting my full name in forums that she has no
>>> other interest in, as if it is some big prize to be displayed, some
>>> big secret. Trust me, she's all over this. She cannot bring herself
>>> to leave a word about me unread. She's reading the groups. *I* do
>>> not like crossposting, and the folks in ard have requested that it
>>> not be done regarding this issue. But of course you know best for
>>> them. I am not in the market for a netiquette nanny, aine. Think what
>>> you
>>> want, jump in and crosspost whatever you want. Impose your rules, Ms.
>>> "There is no right or wrong." Fix it all up to suit aine.
>>>
>>> Talk about bad form...
>>
>>
>>> Don't look now but you're throwing a tantrum princess. LOL!
>>>
>>
>> Seems to me that you've been throwing the tantrums ever since you
>> rowed your flame-canoe over, monica-martyr. What was that you were
>> saying about whites not being human again?
>
> Maybe we need to be "enrolled" as humans?
We already are. Monica-martyr doesn't get to decide which humans are human
according to the color of their skin and which ones aren't because of her
belief in the false premise that nonwhites cannot be racist. There is no
valid rationale underlying such a premise since holding racist views, (as
defined by the meaning of the word, not postmodernistically as a
rationalization for being a racist), are not dependent upon the color of the
racist's skin. The meaning of the term, "racist", does not contain any
reference to the color of the racist's skin, therefore, monica-martyr's use
of a sophist rationalization to justify her anti-white racism of claiming
that whites aren't human is null and void.
aine
> sâr`châsm wrote:
> > "Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> eggs on:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think she used the word 'human' as an insult like many use, drunk,
slut, crack head, fat etc. There was a time we whites did not act
human or treat N/A as human. There were times the English were not
acting human or treating the Scots as human. We don't rape, pillage
and vigilante' anymore instead we created Usenet.
Hope
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I think she used the word 'human' as an insult like many use, drunk,
> slut, crack head, fat etc.
You might think being called fat because you're carrying too much
weight on your frame is on the same level with being called an inhuman
maggot because your skin is white, but I don't think most people would
react quite the same to those two insults.
> There was a time we whites did not act
> human or treat N/A as human. There were times the English were not
> acting human or treating the Scots as human.
Those are over-generalizations. Not all blondes are airheads and not
all Blacks are drug dealers. There is no question that Caucasians have
wrought untold havoc on the world. But not ALL whites in the "we
whites" have behaved inhumanly. If that were the case, we would
probably still have slavery. Or considering that there is always
race, nationality, political beliefs, and religion to fight about, we
would probably have just warred our way to extinction. I guess we
still have time for that.
> We don't rape, pillage
> and vigilante' anymore
We don't? When did that stop? Someone should alert the presses.
> instead we created Usenet.
How dramatic. I think rape victims would choose Usenet every time.
They can, as you pointed out, say "No!" to Usenet at any time.
s�r`ch�sm
> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think she used the word 'human' as an insult like many use, drunk,
> slut, crack head, fat etc.
>You might think being called fat because you're carrying too much
>weight on your frame is on the same level with being called an inhuman
>maggot because your skin is white, but I don't think most people would
>react quite the same to those two insults.
>
Indeed; the "drunk/slut/crackhead/fat" epitaphs do not fall under the same
heading as the racial slur of being called an "inhuman maggot" because one's
skin is light-toned.
>
> There was a time we whites did not act
> human or treat N/A as human. There were times the English were not
> acting human or treating the Scots as human.
>
>Those are over-generalizations. Not all blondes are airheads and not
>all Blacks are drug dealers.
>
What would happen if a black female called an "indian" a "squaw"? According
to monica-martyr, that wouldn't be a racist remark, since "only whites" can
be racists. Would her hypocrisy-circuits overload?
>
>There is no question that Caucasians have wrought untold havoc on the
>world.
>
Not only is there some question as to that, (given the ambigious
classification used), but it neglects to mention that most of the world's
population is nonwhite and would seem to bear much of the responsibility for
it's condition as whichever group as broad economic dominance does.
>
>But not ALL whites in the "we whites" have behaved inhumanly.
>
True, over-generalizations tend to lead to false conclusions, (which may or,
may not b an ironic statement).
>
>If that were the case, we would probably still have slavery.
>
Not only "we";
"Point No Point Treaty of 1855: ARTICLE 12. The said tribes and bands agree
to free all slaves now held by them, and not to purchase or acquire others
hereafter.
-Signed by Chits-a-mah-han, the Duke of York, Chief of the S'klallams, his x
mark."
>
>Or considering that there is always
>race, nationality, political beliefs, and religion to fight about, we
>would probably have just warred our way to extinction. I guess we
>still have time for that.
>
There's as much time for creation as there is for destruction, though it may
not seem subjectively so.
>
> We don't rape, pillage and vigilante' anymore
>
>We don't? When did that stop? Someone should alert the presses.
>
Bloody vikings, argh!
zayton
I think she is actually playing with the linguistic fact that at least one
American Indian tribe used for themselves a term which can be translated
into English as "the people", or "The human ones".
She intends to bait us with the insult that whites are not "human"; then
retreat to an interpretation that all she is saying is that they are not of
her tribe.
The problems with that dodge is that first, there is a difference between
being not of _the_ people and not being people; between not being of _The_
humans and not being human; and second, she has given no indication that
this terminology was characteristic of her particular native group to begin
with.
Her use of the phrase remains racist.
(and incompetently deceptive)
aine
> aine wrote:
> I think she is actually playing with the linguistic fact that at least one
> American Indian tribe used for themselves a term which can be translated
> into English as "the people", or "The human ones".<
Interesting I will have to search that out and read up. Pleiades and
the serpent is on todays agenda. The Mayan and N/A prophecies.
Probably but a skip away from finding the Tribe.
>
> She intends to bait us with the insult that whites are not "human"; then
> retreat to an interpretation that all she is saying is that they are not of
> her tribe.<
IMHO, there is baiting on both sides. Horrible but anger based insults
on both sides. On Usenet, it is difficult to tell if one side has a
true claim to injury.
> The problems with that dodge is that first, there is a difference between
> being not of _the_ people and not being people; between not being of _The_
> humans and not being human; and second, she has given no indication that
> this terminology was characteristic of her particular native group to begin
> with.
>
> Her use of the phrase remains racist.<
Unless she refuses to sit with whites, engage with whites in her life,
treats them inferior in life just because they are White, I really
believe she is a culturist. :) My opinions as I am a whitebutt and she
has yet not to engage in a decent discussion with me. Even if she does
not agree I have not seen her attack me. Possibly it is all in the way
some present their arguement or reply.
>
> (and incompetently deceptive)- Hide quoted text -
zayton
According to her:
(if you are white)
1. You are not human.
2. You are solely responsible (your race: but you are
held individually accountable) for all pollution.
(Not much: not most: ALL)
3. You are solely responsible (your race: but you are
held individually accountable) for all destruction of
animal habitat. (again; Not much: not most: all)
4. You want to kill all Indians, but have so far failed.
And according to her no non-white person has ever contributed to any of the
bad things of which all whites are guilty.
Her accusations (according to her) cannot be racist because she isn't white
and only whites can, by definition, be racist.
aine
I am white and have been accussed of not being human. Since we all
know all races are actually human and it is indisputable, I write
comments like this off to ones like crackhead, blackheart..etc.
I take it as a compliment though. Humans suck.
> 2. You are solely responsible (your race: but you are
> held individually accountable) for all pollution.<
Most of it is.
I have seen the but you use a car thing to counter that
but..seriously.. the world is no longer set up to be sustainable
without many modern convienences.
"Solely" is probably not the best choice word but based on the fact of
who started the major problems to begin with..it does not seem far
fetched.
There are alot of humans of all races/cultures who are trying to clean
it up and fight it, but, damn those whitebutt corp. big wigs are
hardheaded!
> (Not much: not most: ALL)
Considering that most 3rd world nations still have to walk to get
clean water and live in mud shacks. Considering who and where modern
civilizations were invented and who we taught it too? Does this seem
out of line? Not to me, but, I am a realist.
> 3. You are solely responsible (your race: but you are
> held individually accountable) for all destruction of
> animal habitat. (again; Not much: not most: all)..
What other race is destroying theirs that was not taught initially by
Whites or given the technology to before knowing how it would affect
our planet?
> 4. You want to kill all Indians, but have so far failed.<
You or all Whites? That one I would have to disagree with but I have
not yet try to hold a discussion with her on it. If and when we do I
hope it could be over a friendly cup of coffee or tea. She may bring
her food tester with her without hurting my feelings. I have some
things left by the Lummi Tribe family we rented to. Maybe I could give
them to her to handle with sacredness.
>
> And according to her no non-white person has ever contributed to any of the
> bad things of which all whites are guilty.<
Thats a really big menu. Was it in context to something in
particuliar? I can't really comment on that without knowing.
> Her accusations (according to her) cannot be racist because she isn't white
> and only whites can, by definition, be racist.<
I do not agree with that statement but I do know from the White people
on Usenet the term racist is way over used and nit picked on. It also
is used selectively because 90% of people who post insults are really
using them in a racist manner. I have plenty of stones to throw but,
they have spirits to me and I hate to use them for immature, pouting,
whining, arrogant, I am right, I am gonna take you down with insults
because I do not agree with you....whew...violence.
They are my "precious".. I hate humans..what can I say!
>
> Possibly it is all in the way
I think alot of it comes from
Hope
> aine wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 6:46 pm, "zayton" <zay...@newwavecomm.net> wrote:
It would be difficult for her to backpedal enough to prove she did not
really mean whites aren't as human as Indians, since on the same day
(June 26) she also said "White women aren't daughters of Mother Earth.
Just Indians." and "Have you heard other Tribes creation stories that
the white man was a mistake? An African Tribe ahs a story like that
too."
There are lots of other examples. White women in particular are at
the bottom of the non-human pile. We have been told that we are white
maggots--and not just once, in the heat of anger.
If such statements are not racist, then what *are* they? What other
word could be used to describe judging people of a different skin
color or blood to be non-human?
s�r`ch�sm
"Prejudice: noun:
1..
1.. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without
knowledge or examination of the facts.
2.. A preconceived preference or idea.
2.. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or
convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
3.. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or
religion."
Evergreen
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>
> I take it as a compliment though. Humans suck.
That explains a lot.
Beliefs are spells.
And by maintaining that spell you are condemning
yourself to a hellish life.
Because YOU are a human being and you are a part
of the human race.
All existence is blessed, and any apparent Evil
is only ignorance.
It's okay to be learning; becoming; evolving.
This doesn't mean that all behaviors are to
be sanctioned. It just means that healing is
called for rather than punishment.
Especially of yourself...
[delete]
aine
> aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [delete]
>
>
>
> > I take it as a compliment though. Humans suck.
>
> That explains a lot.<
Just seeing if anyone would jump me for being a human racist. Terms
and words are used alot in here that stem from Urban Dictionary words
& phrases. Generalizations. What one person gets away with, another
will not based on popularity of either the person or the subject.
Kind of like generalising the word "stupid" Sid. :)
> Beliefs are spells.<
Thoughts are too, for me at least!
>
> And by maintaining that spell you are condemning
> yourself to a hellish life.
>
> Because YOU are a human being and you are a part
> of the human race.<
Nope. I am not pure earthly human. Alot of people are not. Some people
are filled with spirit even if they are earthly humans. My life is far
from Hellish so I guess it is true what you say about yourself. Not
psychic. Ya, there are a few things that if I hell bent on marriage
being romance novel based I could have been bummed about but those
things I have corrected. It was comfortable enough at the time to
accomplish the Oaths I had taken so..no regrets.
> All existence is blessed, and any apparent Evil
> is only ignorance.<
Evil is as Evil does.
> It's okay to be learning; becoming; evolving.
>
> This doesn't mean that all behaviors are to
> be sanctioned. It just means that healing is
> called for rather than punishment.<
Keep trying!..
>
> Especially of yourself<
I would worry yourself with words about me Sid. I have top notch
advisors.
aine
Oops *wouldn't* .Rice cake fluff in keyboard. What sucky human made
them crumb so bad?
zayton
> Oops *wouldn't* .Rice cake fluff in keyboard. What sucky human made
> them crumb so bad?
Aha!
I knew there was ricism about somewhere.
Hope
*LMAO* Extra points to you.
aine
Ya, I put this one in for you! :)
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
> On Jul 13, 2:10 pm, "zayton" <zay...@newwavecomm.net> wrote:
> > aine wrote:
>
> > I think she is actually playing with the linguistic fact that at least one
> > American Indian tribe used for themselves a term which can be translated
> > into English as "the people", or "The human ones".<
>
> Interesting I will have to search that out and read up. Pleiades and
> the serpent is on todays agenda. The Mayan and N/A prophecies.
> Probably but a skip away from finding the Tribe.
Which "TRIBE", the People of SHEBA, the Woman who was listed as a "SON OF
ABRAHAM"?
The Tribes of the 6?
The Tribe of the Dyke!
Maya as in Maia.
Maia as in Ackhinaton and Neffertti's HandMade who was a Surrogate Mother.
The Prey Karnac chased across the world?
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