Tyendinega Warriors in solidarity with Six Nations Standoff
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BAY OF QUINTE MOHAWKS (TYENDINEGA) JOIN THE FIGHT - SUPPORT NEEDED
Tyendinega Warriors in solidarity with Six Nations Standoff
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On April 20th 2006 the Ontario Provincial Police assaulted peacefull
community members of the Six Nations Grand River territory over a dispute
that had been going on much longer than the Feb.28th standoff. Mohawks of
the Bay of Quinte have now struck in solidarity with the brothers and
sisters at Grand River.
Both rail lines that come through Tyendinega territory have been seized.
Fires and perimeters have been set up. There is no allowing for rail
traffic of any kind today, nor any day that Grand River may be subjected
to police assault. Fifty community members have taken the innitiative and
are holding the line. They have now been spotted by CN Police and several
OPP, who have all wisely made quick retreats.
We ask for support and supplies to come in to Tyendinega ASAP. The camp
is at the north end of Wyman's Road on the CN and VIA rail line in
Tyendinega Mohawk Territory, just outside Belleville Ontario on Highway 2.
Your support and assistance are needed here...and where ever you are, you
can do your part today.
Mohawks from Kahnawake (South Shore Montreal) seized the Mercier bridge
while a demonstration by Indegenous Peoples Solidarity Movement in
Montreal has already held a march in Montreal. Thank you for your
support, stay strong, the hours ahead are long ones.
-tehahonhtanekenhko:wa
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take note of this show of solidarity:
MONTREAL DEMONSTRATION
Montreal -- April 20, 2006
A group of about 30 demonstrators gathered for an
emergency demonstration to denounce the Ontario
Provincial Police (OPP) attack on indigenous
protesters defending their land at Six Nations.
The demonstration, which was called with just a few
hours notice, gathered at Cabot Park in downtown
Montreal. After speeches by Misty and Tania, two local
indigenous solidarity activists, the demonstration
marched along Ste-Catherine Street. Protesters
chanted: "Indigenous rights under attack, what do we
do? Stand up and fight back"; "Land, freedom,
self-determination, Canada is an illegal nation!";
and, in French: "Fin de l'occupation, respectez les
Six Nations!"
Members of the Indigenous Peoples Solidarity Movement
(IPSM) and allied groups will continue to raise
awareness and mobilize to show support and solidarity
with the indigenous resistance at Six Nations.
Two photos from the demo are attached to this e-mail.
To stay in touch with the IPSM: ip...@resist.ca or
514-848-7583.
-- JBS
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Dave
Paul Carl
King Amdo
Paul?
Ben_Carnes
King Amdo wrote:
> Please clarify: specifically what violence are you are referring to
> Paul?
It has always been my position that self-defense is not an act of
violence. When the chiefs, clan mothers or elders ask for the warriors
to step up front, then as warriors, we fulfill a sacred obligation to
do what is expected of us. There is rarely anything that we can do to
prevent the oppressors from calling us thugs or cold blooded killers if
injury or death occurs to one of theirs, but if it is one of ours, then
we are in the wrong. All of the stand offs prove this point.
One interesting side note though is that when Elders have asked for
help in getting food or wood cut, the response is few in numbers. But
if it is in regards to a fight, then the numbers swell. I just think
it would be interesting to note that, and maybe each individual could
ask themselves that question. What is our priorities concerning our
people. Why is a fight more important than keeping the elders fed and
warm?
In the US we seem to have an extraordinary bit of apathy for the
struggles of Native people, such as Peltier, Big Mountain and prisoners
rights issues, etc.. We are complacent with our color tvs, sports, and
trying to make a living. But in terms of maintaining our traditions,
especially our spiritual foundations, how many really live the way of
life we should be. The strength we would have in the numbers following
this particular way of life would demonstrate to our children who we
really are.
Violence is interpreted as kicking ass, well it feels good to win or
overcome state or federal forces, but in the end, someone has to go to
jail. Its worse than a Billy Jack movie. So if the people who come
just to fight for nothing more than the sake of fighting, not caring
about what we are standing up for have really missed the point and may
not have learned anything. In some cases, such as Oka or Gustafason
Lake, those things really came to light for some people. They were
defending burial grounds and a Sun Dance arbor.
The Lakota people have a Kit Fox Society, Tokalas they are called. Six
Nations people have their Warrior Societies, and many other have their
own form of traditional warrior societies. But for the most part, our
people in the urban areas have no sense of a traditional based warrior
society. This is something that is missing for many of us. The
disciplines involved with being a member would instill the sense of
pride and dignity that would carry us through many armed confrontation
or unarmed conflicts. The people at Caledonia say they are only armed
with tobacco, the prayers that protect them. That is good and I
believe in that, but there are warriors on the outside waiting for news
of something happening to their people that they will take action in
support. Is there any groups in the US developing any similar plans,
besides burning candles and doing a permitted protest march?
Violence is not our way, but we need to know what we are really doing
wen we stand up, otherwise, the feds and the media will turn the tables
on us faster than you can think. Prayers, traditions and intelligence
is our greatest tools of resistance. They aren't our weapons - just
tools.
King Amdo
Ben_Carnes wrote:
> King Amdo wrote:
> > Please clarify: specifically what violence are you are referring to
> > Paul?
>
> It has always been my position that self-defense is not an act of
> violence. When the chiefs, clan mothers or elders ask for the warriors
> to step up front, then as warriors, we fulfill a sacred obligation to
> do what is expected of us. There is rarely anything that we can do to
> prevent the oppressors from calling us thugs or cold blooded killers if
> injury or death occurs to one of theirs, but if it is one of ours, then
> we are in the wrong. All of the stand offs prove this point.
Sorry, 'we are in the wrong'...because one of the tribal people gets
killed rather than someone working for the government forces?...so you
are saying that 'we' are in the wrong regarding use of violence if a
tribal gets killed? but these people were not using violence in the
first place (tribals) for a start. We are just wrong to demonstrate
perhaps? ...or just in the wrong if a native etc gets killed/injured,
because nothing is worth that type thing...is that what you mean?
My view:
The government is always going to try and say that protestors are in
the wrong...and totally and completly blow out of all proportion any
injury/death to governmnet employees wheras death of Natives and white
protestors in a eco type context etc are relativly igored by the sytem
and the media. Quite often the masonic state will act as agent
provactators, and consciousnessly attempt to cause/provoke the
death/injury of a government employee, in order to enable a facist
'response'....plus the propganda oppourtunities of course. Just look at
Peltier etc. I mean they probably shot the FBI agents themselves
knowing that they'd be playing out their games for years to come...this
is the actual level (degree :~ ) of their evil...and people need to
know this a be aware and careful...but not overly so! In the end what
do you do?...perhaps its all our problem..and we should learn ro enjoy
being forcable raped....learn to entertain the rapist better perhaps so
he gets turned on more?
Its all my problem, I'm a sick paranoid scitaphrenic, etc etc etc.
>
> One interesting side note though is that when Elders have asked for
> help in getting food or wood cut, the response is few in numbers. But
> if it is in regards to a fight, then the numbers swell. I just think
> it would be interesting to note that, and maybe each individual could
> ask themselves that question. What is our priorities concerning our
> people. Why is a fight more important than keeping the elders fed and
> warm?
That supprises me. From my own experience of protesting its fucking
scary being on the (eco) 'front line'. Beatings, arrest and lockdown
are a very real possibility...I'd much prefer to be helping old people.
I love old people!
> In the US we seem to have an extraordinary bit of apathy for the
> struggles of Native people, such as Peltier, Big Mountain and prisoners
> rights issues, etc.. We are complacent with our color tvs, sports, and
> trying to make a living. But in terms of maintaining our traditions,
> especially our spiritual foundations, how many really live the way of
> life we should be. The strength we would have in the numbers following
> this particular way of life would demonstrate to our children who we
> really are.
>
Now I understand what you are saying.
> Violence is interpreted as kicking ass, well it feels good to win or
> overcome state or federal forces, but in the end, someone has to go to
> jail.
The only real violence I can see is from the state (government) in this
situation.
>Its worse than a Billy Jack movie. So if the people who come
> just to fight for nothing more than the sake of fighting, not caring
> about what we are standing up for have really missed the point and may
> not have learned anything.
I don't think they are, but perhaps a warning for headcases top stay
away is in order.
>In some cases, such as Oka or Gustafason
> Lake, those things really came to light for some people. They were
> defending burial grounds and a Sun Dance arbor.
>
> The Lakota people have a Kit Fox Society, Tokalas they are called. Six
> Nations people have their Warrior Societies, and many other have their
> own form of traditional warrior societies. But for the most part, our
> people in the urban areas have no sense of a traditional based warrior
> society. This is something that is missing for many of us. The
> disciplines involved with being a member would instill the sense of
> pride and dignity that would carry us through many armed confrontation
> or unarmed conflicts. The people at Caledonia say they are only armed
> with tobacco, the prayers that protect them. That is good and I
> believe in that, but there are warriors on the outside waiting for news
> of something happening to their people that they will take action in
> support.
If you must use violence think in terms of infrastucture sabatarge
rather than 'people terror'.
> Is there any groups in the US developing any similar plans,
> besides burning candles and doing a permitted protest march?
I don't know, what's it to U anyway geezer?
> Violence is not our way, but we need to know what we are really doing
> wen we stand up, otherwise, the feds and the media will turn the tables
> on us faster than you can think.
Yes.
>Prayers, traditions and intelligence
> is our greatest tools of resistance. They aren't our weapons - just
> tools.
Yes
PEACE!
King Amdo
Paul Carl
bridge.....I am support my Six Nation friends and their cause and by what I
mean is I hope no blood is spilled on either side for land that already
belongs to the Six Nation people.
Paul
"King Amdo" <King...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145713986.9...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Ben_Carnes
that we as Natives are wrong for standing up, I'm talking about how
they turn a spin in presenting us in the most unfavorable light. Which
you said in the following:
"My view:
The government is always going to try and say that protestors are in
the wrong...and totally and completly blow out of all proportion any
injury/death to governmnet employees wheras death of Natives and white
protestors in a eco type context etc are relativly igored by the sytem
and the media."
Perhaps an experience at Ipperwash when I was there helping to maintain
a secure perimenter, one of the leaders, Bressette, not Joe, said to me
"Why do you think a lot of these people are here?" I shot him a
quizical look, and he said they are here hoping for a fight, something
they can talk about. This was right after we had spent a week doing
marches and protests in Toronto. We had been told that their most
important need was socks and gloves, so we were able to purchase about
$400.00 worth. It was cold watching the perimeter. We had also asked
what teh rules of engagement was, and we were told that there is none,
if our section was penetrated, we fell back and the warriors who were
holding the base would come forward when we sounded an alarm. I
respected their discipline.
I was enroute to Washington, DC from Oklahoma for a meeting with the
Justice Department on legislation concerning the religious rights of
Native prisoners. I was in Ohio when I got the call that Dudley George
had been murdered. A friend and I both stopped at an Elders home there
and contacted another one of our Sun Dancers in PA. We gathered
sleeping bags, food and other supplies. Traveled through PA., picked up
our friend. I was asked when are we coming back, I said I don't know,
but if we make it back at all we can be happy with that. I think I was
gone for three weeks. While I was in Toronto, Gustafason Lake was
going down and when things cooled off at Ipperwash, it was discussed
that I take a crew to BC. It was decided that I wouldn't make it
traveling in a van with Oklahoma plates across Canada. If I was
stopped I would probably be deported since I was warned by Canadian
Customs that I am not allowed into the country. Another one of my
Sundance brothers who was handling publicity outside of the seige
advised against my traveling there.
Another thing I might share is that whenever I have always spoken to
audiences, it has always been on the religious rights of prisoners. At
a League of Indigenous Sovereign Nations conference in Mashpee, MA., I
was asked to speak on defense of Native lands. This was different, so
I basically advised the audience our need to develop strength and
discipline in creating our warrior societies. I asked how many of us
are ready tomorrow morning if a call comes out that the people are
being fired upon. How many of us have been training to work as a unit
to have the skills to mount an effective defense against the aggressor.
If we haven't we may be more of a liabilty than an asset to the people
we are trying to help. I closed my presentation with asking people to
consider what they are willing to live with, because if you have one of
the agressors within your crosshairs, you need to remember that that
person has someone who cares about him, he may be the biggest asshole
in uniform, but are you really ready to take a life, is it really
necessary? If he has a relative or an ally face down on the ground and
it looks like he is going to do them in, by all means drop teh SOB, but
if he is just standing there is it really necessary? Everyone should
ask themselves that question.
> Is there any groups in the US developing any similar plans,
> besides burning candles and doing a permitted protest march?
I don't know, what's it to U anyway geezer?
When I asked if there were any groups in the US, I meant in the context
of Native warrior societies, and I didn't really expect a detailed
answer, this is open to the public. Whatever groups that may be
operating should be working as a cell. Small cells, otherwise all the
anti-terrorists laws will eliminate them if someone starts bragging.
Also, it is to show the difference between Natives in Canada v. US
Natives in their levels of activism or direct action, if you will. My
activism began in a maximum security prison in 1981. I served over
seven and a half years of a 12 yr. sentence, before many of my friends
encouraged me to apply for a parole after I was nominated and received
the 1987 Oklahoma Human Rights Award for the struggle to wear long hair
in the state correctional system. I learned how to secure my freedom
in prison, so I spent about four and a half years in maximum security
because I always said what I believed needed to be said and got locked
down quite a bit over it. I also turned down my applications for
parole because I was not going to treated like a puppet ona string with
threats of being returned to prison if I didn't behave.
When I was released, we had a benefit poetry reading where I was
introduced by Carter Camp as a man the prison could not control, so
guess what they did, they kicked him out of prison. In a funny way,
that is basically what happened. I had to apply for parole before they
could get me out.
I've continued on with a lot of other work, I was a National
spokesperson for the LPDC on a few occasion. Testified before
congresional committes about three times. The last time was the Native
Hawaiian asked me to speak in opposition to the Akaka bill. I made
Senator Inouye so angry he recessed the hearing, and the committee left
while I continued to speak, after being prompted to by the Native
audience. I've done roadblocks, occupation of federal buildings and
Native homelands in Klanada. All of my work came to a stop on Sept.
11th.
I told the people I was working with, a chapter of a larger
organization that things are going to change and we will need to
re-evaluate our tactics. I returned to the US side and did my own
reassessments of what will make for an effective strategy for the
people.
My ideas are long term and isn't high profile, but things are
developing and maybe within three to five years, we may have the
beginnings of an hemispheric alliance of Indigenous Spiritual leaders
based upon our visions and prophecies. If we can create such an
alliance, we can shut this hemisphere down for as long as necessary.
So if twenty-five years of work makes me a geezer, if it is meant in
relation to my age, I guess I am. If it means something else, then it
really doesn't matter. The internet is a real difficult place to
create understanding and share ideas when you can't see a person face
to face and see each others facial expressions or the inflection of the
voice. Plus, many of the uninltelligent drivel that finds it way here
can cause us to over react. I sometime miss a point that I should have
clarified, but I am not a perfect writer. But I do stand behind what I
write, which is why I have always chosen to place my real name to
anything I have written, even if it may bring me grief. That is my
choice, however, everyone else has to decide for themselves.
In teh Spirit of Total Resistance,
Ben Carnes
Ben_Carnes
that we as Natives are wrong for standing up, I'm talking about how
they turn a spin in presenting us in the most unfavorable light. Which
you said in the following:
"My view:
The government is always going to try and say that protestors are in
the wrong...and totally and completly blow out of all proportion any
injury/death to governmnet employees wheras death of Natives and white
protestors in a eco type context etc are relativly igored by the sytem
and the media."
Perhaps an experience at Ipperwash when I was there helping to maintain
> Is there any groups in the US developing any similar plans,
> besides burning candles and doing a permitted protest march?
I don't know, what's it to U anyway geezer?
When I asked if there were any groups in the US, I meant in the context
King Amdo
Ben_Carnes wrote:
> "We are in the wrong" in the eyes of the biased media, I did not say
> that we as Natives are wrong for standing up, I'm talking about how
> they turn a spin in presenting us in the most unfavorable light. Which
> you said in the following:
You are a different person from the Paul that made the post I was and
you are referring to so I'm not going to play games.
King Amdo
sense.
More beats....
http://www.choons.net/v4/listen/smil/Wired_-_Hardtrancin_it.smil
King Amdo
Ben_Carnes wrote:
> King Amdo wrote:
> > Please clarify: specifically what violence are you are referring to
> > Paul?
>
> It has always been my position that self-defense is not an act of
> violence. When the chiefs, clan mothers or elders ask for the warriors
> to step up front, then as warriors, we fulfill a sacred obligation to
> do what is expected of us. There is rarely anything that we can do to
> prevent the oppressors from calling us thugs or cold blooded killers if
> injury or death occurs to one of theirs, but if it is one of ours, then
> we are in the wrong. All of the stand offs prove this point.
I wasn't asking you. Stop playing games.
King Amdo
Ben_Carnes
No one playing games. It is open for posting and joining in and sharing
thoughts and opinions is what I believed this forum to be on Native
issues. So once more, I will clarify my point> When I wrote we are in
the wrong, that is how the government and the media portrays us if one
of ours gets hurt. Just as the history books calls it a battle when
they win, but it is a massacre if we win. That is where I believe you
misunderstood me.
And the double post was an accident if that is what you are referring
to. I clicked on post the first time and I was told that the site
could not be found. So I clicked a second time, and discovered the
first did go through.
Anyway, I was just having a dialogue about what violence really is and
where the line may be. Everyone has their opinion.
Ben
blut...@gmail.com
trolls of Alt Native.
Ben_Carnes
challenged Amdo's intellect and who had no real experience in standing
on the front lines and holding his position. I guess not much has
changed since I was last here a few years ago. I guess I'll have to
make a policy of not engaging anyone in dialogue unless they
demonstrate some common sense. However, I have found being calm and
continuing to be reasonable can placate the unreasonable ones into a
sense of normalcy. Sometimes.
What has been the latest on the Akaka Bill to recognize Native
hawaiians under the Indian Reorganization Act. I've heard they put a
new title on it and it is still being advocated by Inouye. Maybe you
can post your response as a new post and move away from this one? Ben
blut...@gmail.com
Ben_Carnes wrote:
> Thanks Bluturtle, I thought maybe my line of reasoning overly
> challenged Amdo's intellect and who had no real experience in standing
> on the front lines and holding his position. I guess not much has
> changed since I was last here a few years ago. I guess I'll have to
> make a policy of not engaging anyone in dialogue unless they
> demonstrate some common sense. However, I have found being calm and
> continuing to be reasonable can placate the unreasonable ones into a
> sense of normalcy. Sometimes.
>
people off topic and distracted from the full nature and the Purpose of
Alt Native. Some people have the fortitude to take on the task of
"cleaning house" so to speak.Because this is PUBLIC site and calls
atn. to Natives Alt and otherwise. On one hand there are those who
prefer to keep Native Issues in the dark. On the other hand, there are
those who call atn. to the Issues most important to Native Community's.
Call atn. to Issues and inspire conversation and healthy debate. I
still have hope one day Alt Native will mature into the vision of it's
creators.
> What has been the latest on the Akaka Bill to recognize Native
> new title on it and it is still being advocated by Inouye. Maybe you
> can post your response as a new post and move away from this one? Ben
I am not up to date on this forever debated Issue. I wonder how much
money has been spent on the Akaka Bill? Every turn of the paper I'd
like to know, with this revision and that. It's been underhandedly
attached and shuffled in on other bill's.Still not passed I know of
twice. As for my own opinion, The Hawaiians are recognized, just not
respected and honored as such.
The stand going on in Ottawa reminds me of those rights inherent of
Sovereign peoples. BTW, I read something a few`day's ago, a report of
Se. Akaka is one "the worst Senator's list". What an impact that will
have on the "Akaka Bill"?Makes for one big hmmmmmmmm.
lisa
King Amdo
I was aksing for clarification from 'Paul'...who posted the original
message...not from you Ben...whoever you are. And you really are
pathetic alt.native drongos to allow yourselves to be blagged in this
way and to be so slack in your thinking that you allow yourselves to
dissmiss acurate perception as 'trollism'.
As I said 'Ben'...stop playing games. I wasn't asking you, I was asking
Paul.
OK?
The violence anyway, is from the state, as you well know.
COLLABORATOR
King Amdo
Ben_Carnes wrote:
> No one playing games.
...(accent turning germanic)...."No von is playing games here....these
trains are simply to take you all to the resettlement camp...this
individual King Admo is mentally sick...do not believe vot he says"
By the way Ben, I've risked both my life and my personnal freedom
defending the Sacred Mother Wicth here in England, In Wales (Cymru),
and throughtout Europe. You had absoluetly no gruonds whatsoever for
saying "I have no real experience of standing on the frontline"...
...So why da'ya say it boy?
As I said, stop playing head games if you want respect.
Ben_Carnes
expecting respect from one warrior to another. You should also know
that this site is open for public discussion, so I jumped in on a
subject I found interesting. Since I've read Bluturtle response, I
checked your other posts and have found them ridiculously argumentative
and sarcastic. But keep in mind that is in part due to cultural
differences, I was not aware that you were in England, and there are
huge differences in how we see and respond to things.
Since I was disappointed in the manner you responded with your brand of
sarcasm and name calling, I saw a lack of discipline in written
discussion from your end, so I naturally assumed you had no real
experience. and from your response I know that you have. So do you
feel it is too much for me to ask if you would organize a demonstration
at the Canadian Embassy there and in the rest of Europe?
Ben
King Amdo
Yes, Ben because I was addressing Paul and not you...it was Paul I
wanted clarification regarding HIS statement.
...and not head games from an asshole like you.
Enough, fuck you. The only reason (I'm still) involved with native
american campaigning desipte the huge disrespect shown regarding this
statment of truth....
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/ritual_abuse/111339/latest/5
(and not just old/wife/Donna the wannabe on the other thread)
..is that Daniel Zapata gave me one of his eagle feathers during the
North Wales Ethinog land protest some years ago.
And Daniel Zapata was a fucking egoising asshole about things
anyway...blocking my foculisation of a london demo , again just so the
sad bastard could 'win' some sort of ego game...the result being that
we had a dozen people instead of the several hundread had he not fucked
it up. I should stick the fucking feather up your assholes.
blut...@gmail.com
Eagle Feathers! You show just how little you care,honor and respect for
what is holy! you just have no idea.
Kitty
LMAO!!!!! You are what we here call a "CRYSTAL TWINKIE"!!!!!
I'm sure there is a rainbow board for you out there - go join it.
Why are you even on a native board? You obviously have no respect for
the beliefs.
in your words "I should stick the fucking feathers up your
assholes."?????????
If you want respect you have to give it too.
Bluturtle is right - you really have no idea. Good luck..lol
Ben_Carnes
dialogue. First of all, you shoud be ashamed that you allowed a guest
(DZ) into your territory and that YOU allowed him to mess up your plan
of action. A true warrior would not have allowed that to happen. No
more than if I went to Caledonia, and assumed I was going to lead the
fight there. When I travel into the territory of another, I am a guest
there and I follow their orders, if I am honored by being asked for my
thoughts on alternative strategies or plans of actions, then I offered
it. You have absolutely nothing to bitch about, you were not strong,
but weak. You don't deserve to have the honor of any feathers, except
for maybe a tie-dyed chicken feather.
So at this point, I am more than satisfied that you are definitely not
worth wasting anymore time over. And if you want to screw up your life
any more than it is, dishonor that feather all that you want. You
think some witch has played a real head game with you, welcome to the
nightmare of the truth when you mess with our spiritual ways. I don't
know when I can come to Wales, but I would be more than happy to meet
with you in person. But since you believe yourself to be a king of
something or another, it just displays your inferiority to those that
you admire. So I doubt that you will offer your real name (Jim?) or
address. So for all intents and purposes I am done with you, and we
definitely do not need any of your childish raving drivel to call our
support. You are just pathetic, and not even worthy of being
recognized as a warrior (much less Welsh) I turn my back on you!!
gamma-hydroxybutyrate
> Amdo, You are the second person in the past few weeks to disrespect
> Eagle Feathers! You show just how little you care,honor and respect for
> what is holy! you just have no idea.
Is Eagle Feathers a casino?