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Prepared in cooperation with the Arizona Department of Water Resources

U.S. Geological Survey
Scientific Investigations Report 2005-5222
Hydrogeology of the Coconino Plateau and Adjacent Areas, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona
By Donald J. Bills, Marilyn E. Flynn, and Stephen A. Monroe
2007
Abstract
Two large, regional ground-water flow systems occur in the Coconino
Plateau and adjacent areas: the C aquifer and the Redwall-Muav
aquifer. The C aquifer occurs mainly in the eastern and southern parts
of the 10,300-square-mile Coconino Plateau study area, and the Redwall-
Muav aquifer underlies the entire study area. The C aquifer is a water-
table aquifer for most of its occurrence with depths to water that
range from a few hundred feet to more than 1,500 feet. In the western
part of the Coconino Plateau study area, the C aquifer is dry except
for small localized perched water-bearing zones decoupled from the C
aquifer to the east. The Redwall-Muav aquifer underlies the C aquifer
and ranges from at least 3,000 feet below land surface in the western
part of the Coconino Plateau study area to more than 3,200 feet below
land surface in the eastern part of the study area. The Redwall-Muav
aquifer is a confined aquifer for most of its occurrence with
hydraulic heads of several hundred to more than 500 feet above the top
of the aquifer in the western part of the study area and more than
2,000 feet above the top of the aquifer in the eastern part of the
study area near Flagstaff. In the eastern and northeast parts of the
area, the C aquifer and the Redwall-Muav aquifer are in partial
hydraulic connection through faults and other fractures.

Contents
Abstract
Introduction
Purpose and Scope
Acknowledgments
Methods of Investigation
Hydrogeologic Framework
Water Chemistry
Field and Laboratory Methods
Isotope Constituent Analyses of Water, Rock Samples, and Well Cuttings
X-ray Diffraction Analyses of Rock Samples and Well Cuttings
Isotopic Geochemical Approach
Statistical Analyses
Conceptual Model and Water Budget
Description of Study Area
Physiography
Climate
Vegetation and Land Use
Population and Water-Resource Development
Previous Investigations
Hydrogeology
Precipitation Patterns
Geology
Stratigraphy
Tectonic History and Geologic Structure
Surface Water
Ground Water
Perched Ground Water
C Aquifer
Water Level and Saturated Thickness
Recharge and Discharge
Aquifer Properties and Well Yield
Redwall-Muav Aquifer
Water Levels and Saturated Thickness
Recharge and Discharge
Aquifer Properties and Well Yield
Ground-Water Development and Water Use
Water Chemistry
Quality of Water
Isotope Hydrology
Conceptual Model of the Ground-Water Flow Systems
Regional and Local Flow-System Boundaries
Source, Occurrence, and Movement of Ground Water in the Flow Systems
Horizontal and Vertical Flow Paths
Effluent Recharge
Relation of Hydrologic Flow Components
Water Budgets
Considerations for Additional Data Collection and Monitoring
Summary and Conclusions
References Cited
Supplemental Data

Plates
1. Map showing surface geology, geologic structure, and sections of
the Coconino Plateau and adjacent areas, Coconino and Yavapai
Counties, Arizona
2. Map showing perennial and ephemeral reaches of principal streams,
active and discontinued U.S. Geological Survey streamflow-gaging
stations, ground-water levels, Coconino Plateau and adjacent areas,
Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
3. Maps showing location of selected wells, springs, and the
potentiometric surface of the C aquifer and Redwall-Muav aquifer,
Coconino Plateau and adjacent areas, Coconino and Yavapai Counties,
Arizona
4. Map showing water chemistry, tritium, and carbon-age data for
selected wells and springs that issue from the C aquifer and Redwall-
Muav aquifer and for selected surface-water sites, Coconino Plateau
and adjacent areas, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona

Figures
1. Location and geographic features of the Coconino Plateau study
area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
2. U.S. Geological Survey Rural Watershed Initiative study areas in
north-central Arizona
3. Mean and annual precipitation and average annual evaporation,
Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
4. Vegetation types in the Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona
5. Land ownership in the Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona
6. Annual and average precipitation for selected weather stations,
Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
7. Average annual precipitation for all reporting weather stations,
Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
8. Generalized stratigraphic section of rock units in the Coconino
Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
9. Annual winter base flow for selected streamflow-gaging stations,
Coconino Platea study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
10. Annual and total ground-water withdrawals from the C aquifer and
the Redwall-Muav aquifer in the Coconino Plateau study area, Arizona,
1975-2003
11. Relative ion composition of water from springs, streams, and wells
that are points for discharge from the C aquifer and the Redwall-Muav
aquifer, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties,
Arizona, 1975-2003
12. Concentrations of sulfate in relation to spring or stream
locations near the south rim of Grand Canyon from the mouth of the
Little Colorado River to Mohawk Canyon, Arizona, 1991-2002
13. Relation between concentrations of dissolved solids and major ions
in water from springs, streams, and wells in the Coconino Plateau
study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona, 1921-2003
14. Grouping of sites based on principal components analysis and
hierarchical cluster analysis (HCA) of major-ion data for water from
selected springs, streams, and wells, Coconino Plateau study area,
Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona, 1991-2003
15. Oxygen and hydrogen data for precipitation and for springs,
streams, and wells that are discharge points from the C aquifer and
the Redwall-Muav aquifer, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona
16. Strontium isotope values for water, Coconino Plateau study area,
Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona 2000-2003
17. Relation between tritium and carbon-14 in water from springs,
streams, and wells that are discharge points for the C aquifer and the
Redwall-Muav aquifer, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona, 1991-2003
18. Schematic representation of water-budget components for the
Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona

Tables
1. Sources of water-chemistry data for sample sites, Coconino Plateau
study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
2. Drainage-basin characteristics of principal streams, Coconino
Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
3. Base-flow discharge estimates from springs and streams, Coconino
Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
4. Aquifer properties of the C aquifer and the Redwall-Muav aquifer,
Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
5. Estimated annual ground-water withdrawals from the C aquifer and
Redwall-Muav aquifer, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona, 1975-2003
6. Results of principal components analysis of major-ion data for
water from selected springs, streams, and wells, Coconino Plateau
study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties, Arizona, 1991-2003
7. Summary of hydrogen and oxygen isotope data, from precipitation and
from water discharging from the C aquifer and the Redwall-Muav
aquifer, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai Counties,
Arizona, 1962-2004
8. Strontium and carbon-13 isotope data and X-ray diffraction
mineralogy for selected water and rock samples representing the major
stratigraphic units on the Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and
Yavapai Counties, Arizona
9. Estimated steady-state water budget (pre-1975) for Coconino Plateau
flow systems, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai
Counties, Arizona
10. Estimated transient-state water budget (2002) for Coconino Plateau
flow systems, Coconino Plateau study area, Coconino and Yavapai
Counties, Arizona

Suggested citation
Bills, D.J., Flynn, M.E., and Monroe, S.A., 2007, Hydrogeology of the
Coconino Plateau and adjacent areas, Coconino and Yavapai Counties,
Arizona: U.S. Geological Survey Scientific Investigations Report 2005-
5222, 101 p., 4 plates.

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From: The Navajo Nation
[mailto:joshuala...@navajonationcouncil.ccsend.com] On Behalf Of The
Navajo Nation
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: Navajo Nation, various tribal nations form united front to
oppose any Arizona Snowbowl expansion


August 27, 2010


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


Navajo Nation, various tribal nations form united front to oppose any
Arizona Snowbowl expansion


WINDOW ROCK, Ariz. -- On August 30 at the Flagstaff City Council's
special meeting, the Navajo Nation alongside the Hopi Tribe,
Havasupai
Tribe, Pueblo of Zuni, Hualapai Tribe, White Mountain Apache Tribe,
Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation, and many more tribal nations will stand
strong and unified against the Arizona Snowbowl's proposed contract
amendment to have the city of Flagstaff sell potable water to the ski
resort for snowmaking purposes on the sacred San Francisco Peaks
(Dook'o'oslííd).


On July 21, the 21st Navajo Nation Council voted overwhelmingly to
implore the Flagstaff City Council to disapprove the proposed
contract
to sell potable water to Arizona Snowbowl for snowmaking on
Dook'o'oslííd. The Navajo Nation reaffirmed its opposition to the
expansion of the Arizona Snowbowl and reaffirmed its opposition to
the
further desecration of Dook'o'oslííd by the proposed use of treated
wastewater.


Additionally, the Navajo Nation among other tribes maintains that
clean drinking water is essential for all living beings, especially
in
the arid Arizona climate where water should not be wasted on non-
essential recreational activities such as snowmaking.


Since the proposed contract, the Navajo Nation and neighboring tribes
have formed an alliance that remains adamantly opposed to ski resort
expansion using any type of reclaimed water.


Navajo Nation Council Delegate Thomas Walker, an integral leader on
this issue stated, "The result of this appalling effort by Arizona
Snowbowl has brought together an unprecedented and extensive alliance
of tribes that will not rest until this issue is resolved
appropriately."


"We have visited many tribes over the past month to build an alliance
that with its synergy alone cannot be overcome locally, state-wide,
or
in Washington D.C," Walker added. "Without doubt our strength as
unified tribes will be heard and felt on August 30."


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Sidney Lambe

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On alt.religion.wicca, Dave <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Subject: Sacred Water threatened in Arizona by a ski area

The elder Indians/Native Americans who actually lived in
the "old ways", all gone now, said that the entire Earth
was sacred.

And our supermaterialistic lifestyle is trashing the Earth.

But the psuedo-progressives will jump on this and pretend that
saving, or trying to save, this one tiny piece of Nature makes
them real environmentalists, real friends of the Earth.

Oblivious of the fact that the money they raise to do it was
created by trashing the planet someplace else, because that's
how all money is created: Natural resources are turned into
trade goods.

And that the Corporations that supply everything they have
are busy all around the clock trashing the Earth to make
those things for them.

No, I am not apart from this. I just don't claim to be
an environmentalist when my living trashes the planet.
And I don't waste my time on tokenism, which is what
this matter is all about.

[delete]

Sid


Dave

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On Aug 30, 1:59 pm, Sidney Lambe <sidneyla...@somewhere.invalid>
wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your point. I don't really claim to be an
environmentalist either, who are often nearly racist when it comes to
Native Issues - at least that's what a lot of Natives think from long
experience, and I've seen it too (mention "Treaties" and enviros get
mad . . ., for instance).There is definitely a divide between
'religious' people, of what ever stripe or creed, and 'secularists' or
progressives as you call them, who really seem to have little patience
with spiritual philosophies, which they seem to think are irrational -
which is valid, somewhat, given the atrocious politics and behavior of
many of the big institutional 'religions' who have turned them off.


Noinden

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"Sid" just wants to get into a verbal fist fight with you, he is a
sock puppet that is looking to sew discord for his master.

Simply put, don't reply if you expect actual discourse. Do reply if
you want to have lame insults thrown!

Sidney Lambe

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On alt.religion.wicca, Dave <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 30, 1:59=A0pm, Sidney Lambe

The Native Americans live like White people. And those White
people get upset when the Native Americans pretend that they are
living in the 'old ways' and aren't trashing the planet just
like almost everyone else.

> There is definitely a divide between 'religious'
> people, of what ever stripe or creed, and 'secularists'
> or progressives as you call them, who really seem to have
> little patience with spiritual philosophies, which they
> seem to think are irrational - which is valid, somewhat,
> given the atrocious politics and behavior of many of the big
> institutional 'religions' who have turned them off.

The Native Americans are all apples: Red on the outside
and White on the inside. And therefore suspicions about
their supposed religions are well founded, as you point
out above.

They probably have plans to turn those 'sacred waters'
(which aren't any more sacred than any other waters)
into a health spa catering to rich White people.

Sid

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O'Brien

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Spread the word:

Your presence is needed at this very important meeting!
If you cannot attend, please send an email or call today!


City Council Meeting Continues Sep 2nd
Thanks to all of you who attended, written, and commented on the sale
of potable water to snowbowl.


IMPORTANT PUBLIC MEETING: (ONLY WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL BE ACCEPTED)


When: September 2nd at 9:30 AM
Where: City Council Chambers
Located at City Hall, Rt. 66 & Humphries


PLEASE Keep Calling and E-mailing
Call Flagstaff City Council and voice your opposition to giving AZ
Snowbowl our drinking water!


(928) 779-7600 | coun...@flagstaffaz.govThis e-mail address is being
protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
It was an intense meeting for sure. The auditorium had a capacity of
810 people. There must have been close to 800 in attendance.
For those of you who had to leave early or didnt get a chance to join
us...


There were about 9 tribal leaders, over 100 speakers, and about 6
hours of total comments. The ones missing from the table were the
USDA.


Council members, especially Coral, Celia, and Art, raised some very
important questions regarding sustainability, economics, social
responsibility, and the USDA subsidy.


At the end:


The council decided to hear all public comments. It lasted until
about
12:35 AM.
The council then decided to meet Thursday at 9:30AM at the City
Council chambers (City Hall- 211 West Aspen Ave).
While they will only take written comments between now and at the
Thursday meeting it is REALLY important that those who oppose using
drinking water for snowmaking have a strong presence in the room.
When
voting the city needs to see that we hold them accountable!


So, PLEASE come join us between 9:30am-12pm at the city chambers for
the vote. This can be a real historical turning point for Flagstaff,
where the city might actually choose a commitment to environmental
integrity, social justice, and long term sustainability.


IN ADDITION PLEASE keep writing and calling the council. Snowbowl
knows it is about to lose not only an $11 million dollar pay check,
but also all the profits from snowmaking they were already banking
on!
They will do EVERYTHING they can to sway the city vote, which seemed
to be opposed to snowmaking at the meeting.


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On Aug 30, 5:08 pm, Sidney Lambe <sidneyla...@somewhere.invalid>

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Sidney Lambe

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On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:

Top-posting corrected.

> On Aug 30, 5:08=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <sidneyla...@somewhere.invalid>


> wrote:
>> On alt.religion.wicca, Dave <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

>> > On Aug 30, 1:59=3DA0pm, Sidney Lambe

> Spread the word:
>
> Your presence is needed at this very important meeting!
> If you cannot attend, please send an email or call today!
>

[delete]


>
> City Council Meeting Continues Sep 2nd
>

> --
> Klee Benally

Your typical apple (Red on the outside and White on the inside)
pretending that he still lives in the old way and treats the
Earth with respect when he is just another Earth-raping member
of the industrial-capitalist economy.

We have conquered them so thoroughly that they now believe
their own bullshit, just like us.

Sid

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O'Brien

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From: TrueSnow.org Media <me...@truesnow.org>
Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM
Subject: News Release: Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water

for Snowmaking
To: "TrueSnow.org Media" <me...@truesnow.org>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


September 3rd, 2010


Contact:
Klee Benally
me...@truesnow.org
Truesnow.org


Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water for Snowmaking
Citizens and Environmental Groups Gain Victory for Wise Water Use


Flagstaff, AZ – After 4 hours of meeting Flagstaff City Council voted
5-2 to not amend a proposed substitute agreement to sell 180 million
gallons of Flagstaff’s drinking water to Arizona Snowbowl for
snowmaking on the Holy San Francisco Peaks.


More than 150 concerned community members attended including Tribal
representatives from Hopi, Navajo and Havasupai Nations.


“I am grateful that wise water use in Flagstaff won today although we
still have many challenges ahead of us,” said Russell Crawford,
Graduate Student in Sustainable Communities at Northern Arizona
University. “It’s clear that this private business’ attempt to use
our
precious drinking water for recreation was a horrible idea. We must
continue to work for respectful, sane and sustainable solutions for
our entire community, and that means our whole region. This has to be
done for our children and all generations to come."


According to the Arizona Daily Sun the city of Flagstaff uses half
the
groundwater in central northern Arizona. Snowbowl would have taken
about 5 percent of all the potable water the city used. According to
City staff, Flagstaff is expected to run out of drinking water by the
year 2050.


On Monday, August 30th at Sinagua Middle School more than 700
community members and neighboring Tribal representatives met for 7
hours for spoken public input and presentations by Snowbowl,
Flagstaff
City staff and other interests. No spoken public input was taken on
Thursday except as requested by City Council.


Questions were raised by councilmembers after a USDA representative
could not answer questions involving Tribal consultation and how the
proposed amendment to use drinking water instead of wastewater came
about. There seemed to be confusion whether the proposal originated
from the USDA or City staff. Although it was stated by the USDA that
the idea originated from City staff, City manager Kevin Burke tried
to
defer it to the USDA.
The deal was initially presented as a “less offensive” option for
Tribes who hold the San Francisco Peaks holy, but overwhelmingly the
Tribes opposed the plan.
The government also offered $11 million taxpayers dollars to offset
paying for the higher costing drinking water in a move criticized as
a
corporate bailout. When pressed, the USDA stated that the funds
weren’t guaranteed but could be taken from “various sources.”


“This was a failed attempt by City Manger Kevin Burke, Arizona
Snowbowl & the USDA to undermine the current lawsuit over National
Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and sidestep the health threats if
humans ingest snow made from treated sewage effluent.” Said Klee
Benally, Flagstaff resident & media liaison for Truesnow.org. “Kevin
Burke & the USDA initially tried to railroad this plan through but
the
community caught them and ultimately it was community pressure that
stopped them.”


With a successful NEPA lawsuit, the current City Contract to sell
wastewater for snowmaking could be rescinded.


A majority of the council stated that they were interested in how the
NEPA lawsuit would end.


The suit asserts, among other things, that the Final Environmental
Impact Statement (FEIS) prepared by the USFS ignores the possibility
of human ingestion of snow made from treated sewage effluent.
Snowbowl
would be the only ski area in the world to use 100% wastewater to
make
snow.


“The City Council has done a great service for our present and future
citizens by not selling our drinking water and allowing for the NEPA
case to be heard.” Said, Moran Henn an environmental scientist &
Flagstaff resident. “Everyday there is new evidence of the toxicity
of
wastewater.”


Citing the City’s practice of “co-mingling” or injecting wastewater
directly into water sources where drinking water is pumped from,
Mayor
Presler stated she saw no difference in using treated sewage effluent
or drinking water for snowmaking.


“Flagstaff’s citizens should be very concerned,” said Avi Henn,
environmental scientist and Flagstaff resident, “If we listen to City
staff and seriously consider their projections of future water
shortages by 2027 we would have to cancel the snowmaking contract
because we’ll need every drop of water to drink. Or, as scientists
like Dr. Cathy Propper have proven, we’ll desperately need to find
another source of water because ours is already contaminated with
hormones, pharmaceuticals, and other known ‘endocrine disruptors’
that
the City admits they don’t test for or treat for. However you look at
it we need find a way out of this contract, it’s a bad deal for
Flagstaff.”


“The City Council decision is a step in the right direction as far as
recognizing the needs of the neighboring Tribes which contribute
greatly to the Flagstaff economy.” Said Howard Shanker, attorney for
the Save the Peaks Coalition and other plaintiffs. “It also
acknowledges the comments of reasonable people concerned with the
wise
allocation of a scarce resource.”


Councilmember Al White motioned to amend the agreement to allow
potable water to be used for 5 years followed by use of reclaimed
water for 15 more years and put it through Flagstaff’s water,
tourism,
and sustainability commissions and public comment plus legal vetting
before Council process. The motion was voted down 4-3.
Presler re-motioned to amend the agreement to allow potable water to
be used for 5 years and then switch to reclaimed water without
bringing it before the commissions and public. That motion failed
4-3.


Councilmember Celia Barotz’ original motion to vote for keeping with
current agreement was seconded by Coral Evans. Upon re-
consideration,
after the modifying motions were voted down, the vote was 5-2 in
favor.


Ultimately water conservation issues outweighed cultural and economic
concerns.
The council took no consideration of the Tribe’s position on no
snowmaking or other possible solutions.


“We are against any artificial snowmaking. Let mother earth handle
snowmaking, not man made snow” stated Havasupai Tribal Council
Member,
Carletta Tilousi.
“They asked us to be here, they wrote to us and invited us to be part
of the process so we voiced our opinions regarding the sacredness of
the Peaks. It was offensive to hear Council members state that they
will not listen to neighboring Tribes.” Tilousi said.


“At the end of the day I answer to people who vote in my community.”
Stated, Councilmember Art Babbott. He stated “We will make very bad
policies here if we allow entities outside our jurisdiction to
dictate
what we do.”
Expressing concern that the C-Aquifer is diminishing Councilmember
Babbott stated, “This will allow very unwise water decisions by our
users.”


Councilmember Karla Brewster argued economics in her support for
snowmaking but also stated the, “20 year contract to sell potable
water was too much.”


Councilmember Coral Evans raised a concern that she felt there was,
“No possible win-win situation.”
Evans also stated that she was, “Concerned about the cost of water
being raised in Flagstaff.” And that “we’re going to harm future
generations.”


For Councilmember Al White the issues was about, “Environmental
sanity, reclaimed over potable water.” And stated that the, “Issue is
not whether you’re pro-business or pro-environment, its about sound
water use policy.” He also stated, “Let the lawsuit go on. It’s going
to deal with the issues of use of reclaimed water. It isn’t our role
to call a lawsuit frivolous.”


Nearly every Councilmember voiced their concerns over Mayor Presler’s
initial proposal to add discussion of suspending the current existing
contract to the agenda.


Some Councilmembers spoke of the dangers of reclaimed water. Art
Babbott stated that reclaimed water could contaminate another water
source, and this could be a potential violation of the Crown Water
Management Act.


“We need to evolve as a human species to survive in this changing
environment.” Said Hertha Woody, parent, educator, Flagstaff citizen
and member of the Navajo Nation, “We should not waste any water in a
warming environment.” Woody also observed racially based comments
from
Councilmembers that made her question, “Does this council think that
Native Americans don’t exist within City limits?”


“I’m happy that we got this far and they didn’t approve selling our
drinking water.” Stated Teresa Garcia, 15, student of Coconino High
School. “If they would have approved this plan, we would be getting
the worse end of this deal in 20 years.”


How they voted:
No drinking water for snowmaking:
Councilmember Evans
Councilmember Overton
Councilmember White
Councilmember Babbot
Councilmember Barotz


For drinking water snowmaking:
Mayor Presler
Councilmember Brewster


For more information & background please visit: www.truesnow.org.


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Sidney Lambe

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On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: TrueSnow.org Media <me...@truesnow.org>
> Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM
> Subject: News Release: Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water
>
> for Snowmaking
> To: "TrueSnow.org Media" <me...@truesnow.org>
>
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>

Go away, Fool. No water is any more sacred than any other
water and the 'Native Americans' who want us to believe that
this one is are complete hypocrites, apples: Red on the outside
and White on the inside. They don't live a lifestyle that
treats the Earth with respect, they live like White people and
trash their own lands to turn them into money.

[delete]

Sid

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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> From: TrueSnow.org Media <me...@truesnow.org>
> Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM
> Subject: News Release: Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water
>
> for Snowmaking
> To: "TrueSnow.org Media" <me...@truesnow.org>
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> September 3rd, 2010
>
> Contact:
> Klee Benally
> me...@truesnow.org
> Truesnow.org
>
> Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water for Snowmaking
> Citizens and Environmental Groups Gain Victory for Wise Water Use
>
> Flagstaff, AZ – After 4 hours of meeting Flagstaff City Council voted
> 5-2 to not amend a proposed substitute agreement to sell 180 million
> gallons of Flagstaff’s drinking water to Arizona Snowbowl for
> snowmaking on the Holy San Francisco Peaks.

Explains it all right there doesn't it!!

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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Sidney Lambe wrote:

> On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > From: TrueSnow.org Media <me...@truesnow.org>
> > Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM
> > Subject: News Release: Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water
> >
> > for Snowmaking
> > To: "TrueSnow.org Media" <me...@truesnow.org>
> >
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
>
> Go away, Fool. No water is any more sacred than any other
> water

WRONG SID!
MY WATER, is "PRIVATE PROPERTY"!
I do have a RIGHT, to DEFEND IT, at ALL COSTS, for the BENEFIT and
Protections OF MY HOME!

twofeathers

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On Sep 3, 10:32 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
> > On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > From: TrueSnow.org Media <me...@truesnow.org>
> > > Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM
> > > Subject: News Release: Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water
>
> > > for Snowmaking
> > > To: "TrueSnow.org Media" <me...@truesnow.org>
>
> > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> > Go away, Fool. No water is any more sacred than any other
> > water
>
> WRONG SID!
> MY WATER, is "PRIVATE PROPERTY"!
> I do have a RIGHT, to DEFEND IT, at ALL COSTS, for the BENEFIT and
> Protections OF MY HOME!

where do you keep your water? i bet in your pocket! and if you do have
private property water, how far down does your private water go?
china? then you will have to fight them for the part of that private
water, as if your right to water is more than anyone else's rights.
now someone should build a big wall 50ft tall and 1000ft deep to
divert their water from coming on your property, so you won't have to
tell them to keep their water off/out of your property., but then you
wouldn't have any water to claim except rain water you collect....but
then that ski area doesn't want your rain water does it? i bet if you
were to concrete your whole property you can keep rain water from
running away then pump it in a tank, try that.........
opps........reality

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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twofeathers wrote:

> On Sep 3, 10:32 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"
> <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> > Sidney Lambe wrote:
> > > On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > From: TrueSnow.org Media <me...@truesnow.org>
> > > > Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM
> > > > Subject: News Release: Flagstaff City Council Votes No Drinking Water
> >
> > > > for Snowmaking
> > > > To: "TrueSnow.org Media" <me...@truesnow.org>
> >
> > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
> > > Go away, Fool. No water is any more sacred than any other
> > > water
> >
> > WRONG SID!
> > MY WATER, is "PRIVATE PROPERTY"!
> > I do have a RIGHT, to DEFEND IT, at ALL COSTS, for the BENEFIT and
> > Protections OF MY HOME!
>
> where do you keep your water?

In a Well!

> i bet in your pocket!

That be your game dud!

> and if you do have
> private property water, how far down does your private water go?

Far enough to make Evergreen look.

>
> china? then you will have to fight them for the part of that private
> water, as if your right to water is more than anyone else's rights.

When it comes to Skin Heads dumping Barrels in the Swamps on my Yard, IT DAMN
SURE IS!

>
> now someone should build a big wall 50ft tall and 1000ft deep to
> divert their water from coming on your property, so you won't have to
> tell them to keep their water off/out of your property., but then you
> wouldn't have any water to claim except rain water you collect....

YEP!
Safer for all, to collect Rain Water than drink the Well Water, around here.
3 Public Wells were Closed, my Neighbor had inside connections and hooked up to
the Golf Course, but we get to suck this Feted Water where PCE, is a Naturally
Occurring Compound!

> but
> then that ski area doesn't want your rain water does it?

What "SKI AREA", I am at the Bottom of a Small Hillside between an "ILLEGAL
BARREL DUMP", and Anadromous Waters!!
My Water is Your Water.
I am Fighting for it, while you piss up stream!

O'Brien

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On Sep 6, 11:28 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
PLEASE CALL & EMAIL NOW! URGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT TO RECONSIDER!

Call Flagstaff City Council and voice your opposition to giving AZ
Snowbowl our drinking water!

(928) 779-7600 | cou...@flagstaffaz.gov
More info as it is available: www.truesnow.org

Agenda: <http://www.flagstaff.az.gov/Archive.aspx?ADID=1629>
No information packet links so far.
-----

AGENDA
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
TUESDAY
SEPTEMBER 7, 2010

COUNCIL CHAMBERS
211 WEST ASPEN AVENUE
5:30 P.M.

[...]

[7.] M. Consideration of Motion for Reconsideration of Substitute
Water Sale Agreement with the Arizona Snowbowl: Recovered reclaim
water or reclaimed water.

RECOMMENDED ACTION:
(1) Move to reconsider the substitute water sale agreement with
the Arizona Snowbowl.


[7.] N. Consideration of Substitute Water Sale Agreement with the
Arizona Snowbowl: Recovered reclaim water or reclaimed water.

RECOMMENDED ACTION:
If the motion in Item M is successful, then the Council may choose or
amend one of the following options:

(1) Approve the substitute agreement with the Snowbowl to use
either directly delivered or indirectly delivered reclaimed water
contingent upon the Snowbowl's commitment to one of the two delivery
options.

(2) Leave the original agreement in place and provide directly
delivered reclaimed water; or

(3) Develop a new agreement to use indirect delivered reclaimed
water only.

[...]

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TRIBAL LEADERS WATER POLICY COUNCIL


The Tribal Leaders Water Policy Council is established in order to
broaden tribal leader participation in water policy and collaboration
with federal, state and regional water resource management bodies,
and
strengthen tribal capacity through improved access to information and
analysis on water management.
The TLWPC CLEARING HOUSE objective is to provide an on-line source
for
information dissemination for tribal leadership. The Clearing House
will post documents relevant to water resource management and notices
for meetings relevant to the consideration of tribal leaders.


COMING EVENTS, WATER NEWS & CONTACT TLWPC COMING EVENTS
2010 ARIZONA HYDROLOGICAL SOCIETY SYMPOSIUM
"Dryland Hydrology: Global Challenges, Local Solutions"
Co-hosted with the International Association of Hydrogeologists
September 1-4, 2010, Westin La Paloma, Tucson, Arizona
WEBSITE: http://www.eventinterface.com/hydrosymposium/


BLUE RIBBON PANEL MEETING
The next meeting is scheduled for Friday, September 24, 2010
Time: 10:00a.m. - 1:00p.m.
Location: ADWR, 3550 N. Central Ave., Phoenix AZ 85012
Second Floor- Verde Conference Rooms
WEBSITE: http://www.azwater.gov/AzDWR/waterManagement/BlueRibbonPanel.htm


BROAD IMPLEMENTATION GUIDANCE GROUP MEETING
CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT (CAP)
Location: Central Arizona Project, 23636 N. 7th Street, Phoenix,
85024
Dates: The BIG Group will meet once a quarter, tentatively scheduled
for:


August 26, 2010
November 17, 2010
February 24, 2011
CAP plans to create a focal point for stakeholders to be involved in
implementing the ADD Water Program. This focal point, called the
Broad
Implementation Guidance Group or BIG Group, will provide a setting
for
all stakeholders to receive updates on, have input into and
participate in decisions about work conducted by smaller groups, CAP
staff and others. Consistent with this, the BIG Group is where the
ADD
Water Program will seek to finalize stakeholder agreements and other
points of consensus during implementation. Anyone can participate in
the BIG Group.
WEBSITE: http://www.projectaddwater.com/meetings/broadimplementationgroup/


WATER NEWS


Panel Studies Water Sustainability
ADWR Budget Dries Up
Big Chino Groundwater Pumping Project Continues to Move Forward
Commission to Study Arizona Water Needs
Panel Studies Water Sustainability
Governor Jan Brewer’s Blue Ribbon Panel on Water Sustainability, has
completed its first draft of the Interim Report. At the last meeting,
July 9, 2010, each of the five Working Groups provided a 15 minute
presentation on their sections of the draft report. The Interim
Report
was provided to all participants on a CD, available from the ITCA for
member tribes.


The panel's main mission is to review the current status of water
conservation and recycling efforts in the state and make
recommendations to the Governor and state legislature on how to
enhance those efforts.


In addition to conservation and recycling, the group will also
discuss
the "water-energy nexus" -- the connection between the water needed
to
produce energy and the energy needed to transport and treat water and
wastewater.


The panel consists of people representing a variety of interests in
Arizona water, including officials of several cities, utilities,
farming and industrial interests and private organizations. Three
tribal representatives are on the panel, one each from the Navajo and
Hopi Nations and from the Inter Tribal Council of Arizona. The group
is co-chaired by the heads of the Arizona Department of Water
Resources, the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality and the
Arizona Corporation Commission.


The panel is operating largely through a set of Working Groups. Five
have been established: public acceptance of recycled water;
regulations and permitting; infrastructure needs; water conservation,
recycling and energy; and the economic incentives and funding
mechanisms that might accelerate the adoption of water recycling
programs.


Information on the panel's activities, including informational
presentations and activities of the Working Groups, is posted
regularly on the panel's Web Site: http://www.azwater.gov/AzDWR/waterManagement/BlueRibbonPanel.htm.


The panel's schedule calls for a final report to be delivered in
November.


ADWR Budget Dries Up
Deep cuts in state agency budgets have drained the resources of the
Arizona Department of Water Resources (ADWR) and punched major holes
in its services. Some of these cuts have been particularly damaging
to
ADWR activities in rural Arizona.


The latest ADWR services to feel the effects are the offices of the
various Active Management Areas. All five have closed. The offices
provided local access to key services, including protection of
groundwater resources. The services will now be provided on line or
through the Department's central office in Phoenix.


From the time the funding cuts began in 2008 through the end of 2009,
ADWR has lost over half of its funding and cut its staff from over
200
to under 90.


The cuts have basically eliminated the Department's planning
division.
That division supported local and regional watershed partnerships,
that helped local communities assess their water resources and plan
for the future.


The ADWR conservation programs have also taken a hit. This has been
particularly ironic as it comes at the same time the Governor's Blue
Ribbon Panel on Water Sustainability is working on how to strengthen
water conservation efforts in the state.


The Department's response to the cuts has been to substantially
increase the fees it charges for various regulatory activities and
seek to protect this fee income from diversion by the legislature to
other uses. By the end of the legislative session, ADWR had made
major
progress in that direction.


Before it adjourned, the legislature passed a bill (SB 1359) which
authorizes fees collected for various ADWR activities, such as fees
for the Assured Water Supply program, to be retained by the
Department
and protected from legislative "sweeps."


The Department itself recently revised its fee schedule with new
rules
intended to fully recover the costs of processing applications for
permits and approvals.


On Sep 6, 11:28 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North
Pole"<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
>
> PLEASE CALL & EMAIL NOW! URGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT TO RECONSIDER!
>
> Call Flagstaff City Council and voice your opposition to giving AZ
> Snowbowl our drinking water!
>

> (928) 779-7600 | coun...@flagstaffaz.gov

Sidney Lambe

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On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:

When are you going to figure out that no one here* gives a
flying fornication whether a bunch of apples (Red on the outside
and White on the inside) get to exploit a particular natural
resource or not?

[delete]

*alt.religion.wicca -- Lady Azure is insane and runs her mouth
on any subject you can imagine.


Sid

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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O'Brien wrote:

> On Sep 6, 11:28 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"
> <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> PLEASE CALL & EMAIL NOW! URGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT TO RECONSIDER!
>
> Call Flagstaff City Council and voice your opposition to giving AZ
> Snowbowl our drinking water!

From Alaska??

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT)
> Local: Tues, Sep 7 2010 12:41 pm
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> TRIBAL LEADERS WATER POLICY COUNCIL
>
> The Tribal Leaders Water Policy Council is established in order to
> broaden tribal leader participation in water policy and collaboration
> with federal, state and regional water resource management bodies,

Which is why using Corporate Policies, White Boys in Feathers have taken over, BLM.

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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Sidney Lambe wrote:

> On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <seals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When are you going to figure out that no one here* gives a
> flying fornication whether a bunch of apples (Red on the outside
> and White on the inside) get to exploit a particular natural
> resource or not?

You are the White Boy, seeking to Break the World!
Not your own spot, not just MY house, "THE WORLD"!
ANWR and the DRILL BABY DRILL, caused "Mother Nature" to get Pissed.
EVERY time Murkowski brought up OPENING ANWR,
NATURE had a SHIT FIT!
IN YOUR FACE, ON THE SUBJECT.
"Take the Fossils, take the Gold Below, but LEAVE, the OIL of ANWR GO"!
Crack in the World Ma, the Fault runs from the Arctic to Argentina, and
is the Contact between the American Plate and the Asian Plate, don't
fuck with it.
The Earth is more IMPORTANT, than MAN!

O'Brien

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On Sep 7, 8:36 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:

A push to reconsider last week's council decision to stick with the
existing contract between Arizona Snowbowl and the city of Flagstaff
failed by a narrow margin Tuesday night.

The Flagstaff City Council voted 4-3 not to reopen a process that
could have amended the existing 2002 contract between the city and
the
ski area to sell 1.5 million gallons a day of reclaimed wastewater
for
four months of the winter to the ski area for the next 12 years.


Councilmembers Celia Barotz, Art Babbott, Coral Evans and Mayor Sara
Presler all were resistant to reconsidering last week's decision.


Councilmember Scott Overton, who put the item on the agenda Tuesday
night, said the council focused much of its energies on Thursday on
an
entirely new proposal offered by White.


"There are beneficial policy points we didn't get to vet on
Thursday,"
Overton explained.


Siding with Overton were Councilmembers Karla Brewster and Al White,
who favored reopening the agreement, noting that there are known
flaws
in the 2002 agreement.


But Evans was skeptical that her colleagues didn't have an
opportunity
to discuss some of their concerns related to the existing 2002
contract during the two meetings held last week.


Between the two meetings last week, there were more than 12 hours of
public discussion related to the contract with Snowbowl.


Evans said she heard whispers about a possible reconsideration less
than an hour after the council vote last Thursday.


"Before I got out of the parking lot (last week), I heard about
reconsideration," she said.


Evans openly pined for a law against any reconsideration of council
vote for at least 60 days.


"Then I found there is a law forcing us to consider it tonight. I
could have skipped the last two meetings," she said.


A new contract would have given the city several new legal
protections, tied Snowbowl to a specific cost over the next two
decades for buying the reclaimed water, and would give Snowbowl a
chance to recoup the full cost of putting in the infrastructure over
the next 20 years, City Manager Kevin Burke said.


Key legal changes in moving from the old contract to the new contract
include requiring Snowbowl to carry an additional $1 million in
liability insurance; waiving the city's responsibility in any future
claims related to the use of city-supplied treated wastewater for
snowmaking; removing a fee waiver present in the 2002 contract; and
requiring that a mutually agreed upon point of delivery be inside the
city limits.


The council did not discuss any proposals brought up at recent
meetings, such as using drinking water rather than reclaimed, White's
hybrid proposal that would use drinking water for a few years before
switching permanently over to reclaimed, or severing the contract
entirely.


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Sidney Lambe

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> A push to reconsider last week's council decision to stick with
> the existing contract between Arizona Snowbowl and the city of
> Flagstaff failed by a narrow margin Tuesday night.
>

I couldn't care less. I don't live in Flagstaff. Or anywhere
near it.


[delete]

Sid

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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O'Brien wrote:

> On Sep 7, 8:36 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"
> <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> > Sidney Lambe wrote:
> > > On alt.religion.wicca, O'Brien <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > When are you going to figure out that no one here* gives a
> > > flying fornication whether a bunch of apples (Red on the outside
> > > and White on the inside) get to exploit a particular natural
> > > resource or not?
> >
> > You are the White Boy, seeking to Break the World!
> > Not your own spot, not just MY house, "THE WORLD"!
> > ANWR and the DRILL BABY DRILL, caused "Mother Nature" to get Pissed.
> > EVERY time Murkowski brought up OPENING ANWR,
> > NATURE had a SHIT FIT!
> > IN YOUR FACE, ON THE SUBJECT.
> > "Take the Fossils, take the Gold Below, but LEAVE, the OIL of ANWR GO"!
> > Crack in the World Ma, the Fault runs from the Arctic to Argentina, and
> > is the Contact between the American Plate and the Asian Plate, don't
> > fuck with it.
> > The Earth is more IMPORTANT, than MAN!
>
> A push to reconsider last week's council decision to stick with the
> existing contract between Arizona Snowbowl and the city of Flagstaff
> failed by a narrow margin Tuesday night.

I am talking about a "BLACK MARKET BARREL DUMP", which is diverting Federal
Funds, for alleged Clean Up, consisting of Grabbing barrels and chucking em
over cliffs into Wetlands, or digging a quick hole and burying then digging
back up to file another remediation claim with.

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

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Sidney Lambe wrote:

So??

Dave

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OThe Aspen Nature Loop sits on a plot of ground that will
be impacted by increased development of the Arizona Snowbowl. The
loop
is just below the lower parking area at the Arizona Snowbowl.
Development maps show a new snow tubing area will be built at the
site. (Jake Bacon/Arizona Daily Sun)

Arizona Snowbowl has been cleared to add a conveyor-belt-type device
to carry beginning skiers uphill, and to log a new ski trail.


Coconino National Forest District Ranger Mike Elson signed off on the
plans Sept. 24.


Arizona Snowbowl plans to add the 150-foot-long conveyor belt this
fall and regrade a 1.5-acre area due north of its lower lodge with
bulldozers to create a flatter teaching area.


The owners plan to use the conveyor belt to save beginning skiers a
walk uphill during lessons. They also plan to widen a lift line at
the
Spur Catwalk.


Whether logging is feasible this year is less certain, given the late
start to the project and the onset of winter weather in two months or
less.


Despite the imminent start of construction, Snowbowl's owners remain
in court with a second lawsuit. They are fighting a handful of local
plaintiffs who assert that using reclaimed water to make snow might
not be safe for skiers or the environment.


As part of that case, both sides have agreed that no snowmaking-
related construction would begin until after a ruling in federal
district court in Phoenix. That is expected to happen in late
October,
said attorney for the plaintiffs Howard Shanker.


Shanker has vowed to appeal any decision not in his favor to the 9th
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.


Eric Borowsky, a Snowbowl part-owner, said that if he wins at the
district court level this fall, he would start construction as soon
as
possible in order to make artificial snow in the winter of 2011-12.


"We're hopeful that the judge will rule in our favor," Borowsky said.
"And if she does, we'll probably start construction. If it happens to
be a dry winter, we would start construction on the (water) pipeline
from Highway 180 back to Thorpe Park almost immediately."


Borowsky's attorneys are seeking to have the case thrown out on the
grounds that some of the plaintiffs are obstructing any possible
resolution by opposing either reclaimed or drinking water to make
snow
-- a position some of them openly acknowledged at the outset.


The plaintiffs suing the U.S. Forest Service since 2009 in this
lawsuit are the Save the Peaks Coalition, Kristin Huisinga, Clayson
Benally, Sylvan Grey, Don Fanning, Jeneda Benally, Frederica Hall,
Berta Benally, Rachel Tso and Lisa Tso.


Tribes suing the federal government to prevent snowmaking lost their
argument that allowing more development would infringe on their
religious freedoms in June 2009, when the U.S. Supreme Court declined
to hear their case, leaving in place a 9th Circuit ruling that
allowed
snowmaking.


Cyndy Cole can be reached at 913-8607 or at cc...@azdailysun.com.


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