******Carl Sagan vs. Immanuel Velikovsky******
Sagan's death summary, complete natal chart is
compared with Velikovsky's complete natal chart:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8HUCL8D23720...@frog.gilgamesh.org&output=gplain

Lucia dos Santos, natal summary, incomplete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CE0M4FTD3710...@frog.gilgamesh.org&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VMOH924J3710...@frog.gilgamesh.org&output=gplain

Albert Schweitzer, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJWMT7GZ3727...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

William Shakespeare, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7NHI00FL370...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Ariel Sharon, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VCVXK8S13703...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Sirhan Sirhan, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=R8TACFIB3700...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Bernadette Soubirous, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VN3FPA303723...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

Steven Spielberg, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=JN49FG6Q3713...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Ringo Starr, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cdd091d95fd42d63...@aarg.net&output=gplain

Nikola Tesla, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=11314b559ee5ebb7...@aarg.net&output=gplain

Billy Bob Thornton, natal chart, incomplete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CJPKSWPK3701...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Vergil, natal summary, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=I1SLYUZ23703...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Jules Verne, natal summary, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=TOJ4O9TP3703...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

Richard Wagner, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9R8FYYO23727...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

George Washington, natal chart, complete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c1bb2be76f3550e3...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain

Adam Weishaupt, natal chart, incomplete:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ed11858d142117ea...@noisebox.remailer.org&output=gplain

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CHARTS OF UNKNOWNS & ANONYMOUS

<va...@bdcol.ee> as posted on
http://www.bdcol.ee/astrolog/valentin.shtml, natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d2e3190caea3f04f...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<allu...@mediaone.net> posting to a.a., natal, progression:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=YW92NBT73726...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<wobr...@home.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KPA8ARMR3726...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<E...@astroconsulting.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5P0VOW7T3726...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<t.ha...@verizon.net> posting to a.a., future natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7TUSV95J3727...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<firedra...@hotmail.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=T4AAIDPP3726...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<Gla...@hotmail.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=TY6BKQ413...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<thinkbigs...@yahoo.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=R59A40TV3723...@frog.gilgamesh.org&output=gplain

<juli...@hotmail.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a2a9c3e2be9e9e61...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain

<the5...@webtv.net> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=24335aee559030ac...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ab6346a1a8e36fc8...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain

<pa...@sympatico.ca> forwarded to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=094UND063725...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<roa...@databasix.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A99LLQOQ3723...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<pais...@ozemail.com.au> posted to a.a., sister's death:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=JTA8ZOD23707...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

<plus...@my-deja.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c6879f240e330d02...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<carole.p...@virgin.net> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3daa3d956721f86a...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<gary...@yahoo.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=TKC45V6T37...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<prtam...@aol.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0499a46b61605811...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<blue...@prodigy.net> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f3cecb4f92124aa3...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<r...@eurobell.co.uk> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=PYB80WPL3721...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<l...@hovercruiser.net, lee...@ev1.net> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=373aa83ff154ec3a...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<rave...@aol.com> posting on a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cb561e184f8ffeef...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<im...@webtv.net> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01752e072c73bf20...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<sm...@volny.cz> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ab7dc41084037f26...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain

<tri...@airmail.net> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4acb10800625abf3...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<min...@simpsons.com> posting to a.a.m., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=30976fbaa3c02341...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<rinnal...@earthlink.net> posting to a.a.t., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d1ee6610086900f8...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain

<i94...@hotmail.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5cd0363761fd55d...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<i94...@hotmail.com> posting to a.a., wife's natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ac3abdfb55f22e57...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<goldmo...@icqmail.com> posting to a.a.t., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=30b14b6f3c020d3d...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<ku...@avcd.net> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d665c27779d9d995...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> posting to a.p.n., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=aec06faf5f3de53c...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fa19049c3c543ff5...@mixmaster.nullify.org&output=gplain

<agal...@home.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9072237986bc725e...@hyperreal.pl&output=gplain

<sca...@froggy.com.au> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=46ec567320d981e3...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<arctu...@aol.com> posting to a.a.t., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=UD6XUZPA3715...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

<uw...@lyahoo.com, uw...@yahoo.com, uw...@lightspeed.ca> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c6cdf0a1a272a494...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<iced...@nospam.dragonzone.za.net> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1c96bb7fabe26ecb...@aarg.net&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c97d4c431e7c3532...@aarg.net&output=gplain

<mysti...@icnetco.com> posting to a.a., natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=691f0e0d9175bf14...@hyperreal.pl&output=gplain

<sciro...@home.com> posting to a.a.m.,
natal charts only, no horoscopes given:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Y7GILQPG3726...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

anonymous, natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=54f6a1ac070f3744...@aarg.net&output=gplain

anonymous, natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a640e87e45a460ac...@aarg.net&output=gplain

anonymous, natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8LX0DBAT3692...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org&output=gplain

anonymous, natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7792579ea717604c...@remailer.segfault.net&output=gplain

anonymous, natal:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1283e9858d4ec97d...@aarg.net&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=614a6358fd48f8b1...@aarg.net&output=gplain

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A brief comment about astronomy & astrology:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KY17VN0I372...@anonymous.poster&output=gplain

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Spamster

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Feb 7, 2002, 6:26:06 PM2/7/02

Astronomer wrote:

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> ASTRO-CHARTS HOMEPAGE OF DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
>
>

Pathetic.

sunseeker

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Feb 8, 2002, 5:34:43 PM2/8/02

I have put this in my 'Favorites'.

But still no Madeleine Albright?

Which of these are found in her charts?
She was born a stone's-throw from the Golam's
birth-banking.
Does her chart tcelfer her Homeric Past?
Her family fled a 'North Wind'.
Her family denied/hid their true ancestry.
She sky-rocketed out of obscurity to become
Ambassador to the UN and subsequently
Secretary of State.
She had a war named after her.
Friends and Foes critisied her for trying to
be "One of the Boys".
She believed in "Virtuous Power".
She was mistaken for the cleaning lady and
shortly thereafter threatened a nation with
a "life or death" choice.
...

sunseeker

Astronomer <astro...@olympvs.mons> wrote in message news:<90A68W7A372...@frog.gilgamesh.org>...

Astronomer

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Feb 8, 2002, 6:32:03 PM2/8/02

On 8 Feb 2002, top...@eddinfo.com (sunseeker) wrote:
>I have put this in my 'Favorites'.
>

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Cool! These "google" news archives come in handy.
I'm a little bit surprised that more people don't
take advantage of it, and make their own homepage
if they have no viable alternatives for doing so.
At least there's no popup ads or "ad-click" #@&#!

>
>But still no Madeleine Albright?
>

Fair enough. I'll see what I can dig up. I will
say I've heard some rather controversial things
about her. She seems normal enough to me, but
I don't know that much about her, either.

>
>Which of these are found in her charts?
>She was born a stone's-throw from the Golam's
>birth-banking.
>Does her chart tcelfer her Homeric Past?
>Her family fled a 'North Wind'.
>Her family denied/hid their true ancestry.
>She sky-rocketed out of obscurity to become
>Ambassador to the UN and subsequently
>Secretary of State.
>She had a war named after her.
>Friends and Foes critisied her for trying to
>be "One of the Boys".
>She believed in "Virtuous Power".
>She was mistaken for the cleaning lady and
>shortly thereafter threatened a nation with
>a "life or death" choice.
>...
>
>sunseeker
>

That's interesting, sunseeker. At a cursory glance,
however, I can't find her birthtime anywhere on the
net, but if it's out there, I can probably find it,
it'll just take some digging. So far, I found this
on http://miva.zodiacal.com/hunt.mv?display+969172020

Name: Albright, Madeleine
Date: 15 May 1937
Time:
Std:
Zone:
Place: Prague, Czechoslovakia
Long: 14E26 Lat: 50N05

Not much to go on. I'll see if any of the on-line
biographies list her birth time, or at least the
approximate time of day. If so, I'll complete and
post her horoscope. "But if not, this parting was
well made." :)

Daniel Joseph Min

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Astro-Charts Homepage of Daniel Joseph Min:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=90A68W7A372...@frog.gilgamesh.org

sunseeker

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Feb 8, 2002, 11:59:06 PM2/8/02

Astronomer <astro...@olympvs.mons> wrote in message news:<MPSB95413729...@frog.gilgamesh.org>...

This following site must be "Tropical"? Haven't checked to see if
they took a short-cut and used noon as the birth time.
But perhaps the birth time can be determined indirectly
from this site. I know I saw a photocopy of her birth
certificate in one of her biographies (a book). Don't know if the
certificate included a time, though.
http://www.harmoniclife.com/Samples/Madeleine_Albright.asp

I believe that line 4 of X.72 has as one of uses (it
correctly has other uses as well) information about her
birth chart. There was a significant cusp on 15 May 1937.
The effect of this cusp on Mars is found in line 4 of X.72
"Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur."
bon heur is a hint for avant-apres with hyphen, that is, "cusp".
And I would suggest that it was auspicious that she was
born just barely (with good luck) to one side of the cusp.
AND perhaps Mars itself is in a lucky position.
SO, her birth time may be discovered by examining 15 May and
relating it to X.72 .

>
> Name: Albright, Madeleine
> Date: 15 May 1937
> Time:
> Std:
> Zone:
> Place: Prague, Czechoslovakia
> Long: 14E26 Lat: 50N05
>
> Not much to go on. I'll see if any of the on-line
> biographies list her birth time, or at least the
> approximate time of day. If so, I'll complete and
> post her horoscope. "But if not, this parting was
> well made." :)

Aloha!

sunseeker

Astronomer

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Feb 9, 2002, 4:39:23 AM2/9/02

On 8 Feb 2002, top...@eddinfo.com (sunseeker) wrote:

>Astronomer <astro...@olympvs.mons> wrote in message:
><snips>

>
>This following site must be "Tropical"? Haven't checked to see if
>they took a short-cut and used noon as the birth time.
>But perhaps the birth time can be determined indirectly
>from this site. I know I saw a photocopy of her birth
>certificate in one of her biographies (a book). Don't know if the
>certificate included a time, though.
>http://www.harmoniclife.com/Samples/Madeleine_Albright.asp
>

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That's very interesting, see notes I made below, which
I wrote before reading your reply. But this page you
cited above is using RA/Dec for ~1:10 AM on the 15th.

Astrolog 5.41F/SWEPH shows 51.37 +18.72 for 1:10 AM,
which can't possibly be the correct time, unless the
biographer who I've quoted below is grossly mistaken.

Also, Moon coordinates shown on the page you cited
indicate a rather obsolete lunar ephemeris was used,
since the error is very significant cf. to JPL/SWEPH.
>
><more snips>
>
I believe C10Q72 is about the world, not one person.
But I respect your desire to reconcile this quatrin
with known facts. Whatever happens, we know it will.

Marie Jana Korbel was born to Josef Arnost & Andula
Spiegelova-Korbel on the sabbath, 5 Sivan 5697, May
15, 1937 in Prague's Smichov district hospital near
map coordinates 14E34:19 50N06:25 in daylight hours:

"It was a warm day... In the distance, still
audible over the din of a lively quarter of
the city, the silver melody of church bells
rang on the hour from ... St. Vaclav Church"
--Bio of Madeleine Albright, by A. Blackman

http://partners.nytimes.com/books/first/b/blackman-seasons.html

Here're some additional CZ/Prague links I found:
http://www.fcca.cz/newsite/En/pageone.html
http://www.prague.com
http://www.inyourpocket.com/Czech/Prague_useful.shtml#10
http://www.mapy.cz/

So the time of birth was "on the hour" according to
her biographer who also states that she had a birth
certificate which likely includes the time of birth.

I'll keep checking. In any case, assuredly Venus is
ruling in the second house, Mercury is ruling third
house, the Sun therewith. I like Saturn first house.
For the planetary ensign, Uranus would be my choice
~11 a.m. LMT. Mars with tail of the dragon etc. but
this is merely a cursory rectification of the chart.
If the birth time is later in the day, then Neptune
was in ascendancy. To be sure, the BC is the gospel.
If the time is 1:10 AM, then Jupiter was the ensign.
If you find out for sure, please post the birthtime.

Daniel Joseph Min

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Feb 9, 2002, 9:49:20 AM2/9/02

Astronomer <astro...@olympvs.mons> wrote in message news:<Q1L7CE2E3729...@frog.gilgamesh.org>...

The very earliest that I can get to the library is
Monday. I do recall one thing about the birth certificate,
though. In the space for declaring the religion the family
wrote "no confession", in Czech of course. Their
motivation was "the terror" (X.72, line 2).

sunseeker

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