Eddy Van Halen vs Yngwie Malmsteen?
Jarl Sigurd
1980's? Who got the better sound out of his equipment?
Which one is more enjoyable to listen to as far as you're
concerned?
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but let's not forget Stevy Ray Vaughan.
:-)
Justin Patrick
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> Yngwy was only listenable for about the first 6 years. So I'd go with
Eddy,
> but let's not forget Stevy Ray Vaughan.
Yngwy, Eddy, Stevy, don't you guys know how to spell the names of your
idols? :P
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Everett Hickey
> Yngwy was only listenable for about the first 6 years. So I'd go with
Eddy,
> but let's not forget Stevy Ray Vaughan.
SRV was in a different class... the first two were mostly wankers (though
Eddie did better at making his music real music instead of just a wankfest).
SRV didn't play with the same bizarre stylings, didn't play as fast, and
while he was damned good he wasn't in the same class professionally...
but... he could PLAY in a way that I never heard either Malmsteen or Van
Halen approach.
davey woodford
but the other guys were good too yes, great players.
also GARY MOORE and RICHIE SAMBORA did some nice things around this time.
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possibly can now. without any consideration of whether anyone would want to
hear the music or not.
Don Wallace
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Don't take this personally but I think that SRV will be, ultimately, a
footnote
to Jimi Hendrix. His playing, while very exciting (especially in live
shows), is
pretty much an 80s version of Hendrix with more blues thrown in. On the
other
hand, Eddie Van Halen was a true innovator and took guitar technique in new
directions.
Just my opinion. Time will tell.
Don Wallace
Vince
Hendrix was better and has a more lasting legacy.
Vince
Brian Brackeen
That is most definitely not an insult. I mean if they were a dime a dozen
the story might be different, but as it is ...
Too, Stevey wasn't a clone of Hendrix, or even an 80's version IMHO, I would
say the Hendrix influence was obvious, but at least Stevey was a songwriter,
Hendrix didn't write much of anything. If you ask me the songwriter gets the
best musician award any day. Not that I am saying SRV is better than
Hendrix, no way! I am, however, saying that songwritership counts for
something, at least originality and individuality, wouldn't you agree?
Considering that I would say that SRV could definitely stand on his own in
history.
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Brian Brackeen
there are people playing guitar Hendrix will be a heavy influence. There are
quite a few, possibly the majority, that do not know of SRV's greatness.
That fact, however, that not too many have heard of him, diminishes his
talents and influence not at all. SRV is and will remain one of the 'best'.
Hendrix though, is and will remain one of the 'greats'.
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Brian Brackeen
> possibly can now.
I agree, while his technical proficiency is beyond reproach, his notes can
blend into one big long howl. In my opinion I don't care how fast you as
long as there is feeling in your solo. If you can move the inner sprit, you
have accomplished the task, if all you do is make people say wow he's fast
you haven't done squat. I admit that Yngwie is an untouchable when it comes
to guitar, however, I am much more into feeling. I mean just take the very
simple beginning of The Wind Cries Mary slow and teeming with feeling. Just
MHO
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> Hey you could lump me in as a footnote to Hendrix any damn day :o))
>
Done.
> Too, Stevey wasn't a clone of Hendrix, or even an 80's version IMHO, I
would
> say the Hendrix influence was obvious, but at least Stevey was a
songwriter,
> Hendrix didn't write much of anything. If you ask me the songwriter gets
the
> best musician award any day.
I also liked many of his songs but that is not what the thread was about,
IMHO. We were talking about guitar playing (I think) and if that is the
case, then I stick by my statement. Also, as for the cloning claim, SRV even
wore the same hat as Hendrix. Don't get me wrong. I always thought he was
a pretty tough guitar player, especially live (remember the Austin City
Limits
gig?) but as far as taking the guitar somewhere it had not been before,
neither Yngwie Malmsteen nor SRV will likely be as important historically
as Eddie Van Halen. Malmsteen, while a real virtuoso players, is the heir to
EVH and similarly, SRV is the heir to Hendrix.
DeeDubYa
Vince
greatness. That said, I think history will (and does) view Hendrix as more
important. ONE thing I did notice re: Yngwie---it seems he engenders alots of
bitterness and borderline jealousy. I think what hurt (s) Yngwie was his rush to
'stardom' via leaping from band to band in the early days and some of his brash,
studio-wrestling like bravado in early interviews. Kinda like the pretty girl
who's stuck up: you don't WANT to admit she's pretty anymore because of her
ATTITUDE.;)
Vince
d. kulterer
seventies (the time after VH I). SRV is a blue player, and one of my all
time favourite guitar players. concerning technical proficiency i悲 prefer
paul gilbert to yngwie malmsteen. malmsteen is nearly always the same
listeningwise. (get one classic composing technique or write off from bach
and soemthing and wank over it as fast as you can. IMHO malmsteen has his
best moments when he plays bluesier licks.)
allthough hendrix has also influenced me, i donæ„’ like it as much as SRV or
EVH.
my drummer and keyboarder dig EVH and especially SRV a lot, and they are
very picky about music. my drummer once said: "hey malmsteen sucks
groovewise, when he plays fast. i counted it through and he was wrong" and
thats the problem, malmsteen plays fast, and only fast IMHO.
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Vince
far superior to Eddie--he can even play part of "Eruption" with his teeth!!!!
Vince
always right
Vince
Paul Booth Johnson
No one except other guitar players ever heard of Yngwie back in the
80's.
But EVH's tone has never been equaled as far as I'm concerned.
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I can play like that too if I snorted an 8-Ball of Coke too . . .
Mike Torrence
For blues, none will ever touch SRV's blues playing ability -- he HAD
the blues. Although Eric Gales does sound like the second coming of
Jimi, he doesn't have the feel that SRV had.
Don Wallace
> I disagree---Yngwie is the heir to Blackmore and Uli Roth, NOT Eddie.
Yngwie is
> far superior to Eddie--he can even play part of "Eruption" with his
teeth!!!!
>
> Vince
> always right
>
Vince,
I am impressed by your confidence in your own opinion. I won't disagree
with your statement about the sources of Yngwie Malmsteen's style. However,
my other point remains, i.e., that in spite of being a techically brilliant
player,
Malmsteen has not added much to guitar technique. EVH was an innovator,
Malmsteen is a brilliant technician.
D
Everett Hickey
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>
> That is most definitely not an insult. I mean if they were a dime a dozen
> the story might be different, but as it is ...
>
> Too, Stevey wasn't a clone of Hendrix, or even an 80's version IMHO, I
would
> say the Hendrix influence was obvious, but at least Stevey was a
songwriter,
> Hendrix didn't write much of anything. If you ask me the songwriter gets
the
> best musician award any day. Not that I am saying SRV is better than
> Hendrix, no way! I am, however, saying that songwritership counts for
> something, at least originality and individuality, wouldn't you agree?
> Considering that I would say that SRV could definitely stand on his own in
> history.
It was my understanding that Hendrix wrote the bulk of what his bands played
(except for covers - he had no problem doing those - but even those he
completely redid his own way. His covers had a tendency to take preeminence
over the originals (AATWT, Hey Joe, Red House, etc). Even Bob Dylan decided
that Jimi's version of AATWT (which was originally Dylan's song) was THE
version.
Most of the biggest names in blues didn't seem to see SRV as a footnote on
Jimi. He was inspired by Hendrix, but his playing style was quite
different. He was compared to Hendrix, but he had a very trademark sound of
his own. Not a "special lick", but simply his Sound... in every note.
Everett Hickey
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> Everett Hickey wrote:
>
> > "GuitarFixation" <ye...@whatever.com> wrote in message
> > news:9rjqm8$edj$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > > Yngwy was only listenable for about the first 6 years. So I'd go with
> > Eddy,
> > > but let's not forget Stevy Ray Vaughan.
> >
> > SRV was in a different class... the first two were mostly wankers
(though
> > Eddie did better at making his music real music instead of just a
wankfest).
> > SRV didn't play with the same bizarre stylings, didn't play as fast, and
> > while he was damned good he wasn't in the same class professionally...
> > but... he could PLAY in a way that I never heard either Malmsteen or Van
> > Halen approach.
>
> I can play like that too if I snorted an 8-Ball of Coke too . . .
"Coke in the morr-ning, coke in the eeev-ning, coke around
sup-perrrr-tiiiime...."
Actually coke seemed to hinder his performance much of the time. Case in
point... his Star Spangled Banner at that one baseball game. That was...
sad.
GuitarFixation
> idols? :P
My reply was actually meant to be sarcasm in response to Jarl's mispelling
of Eddie Van Halen's name (which I tried to accentuate by deliberately
mispelling Yngwie and Stevie). But much to my surprise, no one picked up on
that and I ended up starting a new offshoot thread about Eddie vs. Yngwie
vs. SRV, which has actually turned into something interesting. You never
know what to expect!
Brian Brackeen
> as Eddie Van Halen. Malmsteen, while a real virtuoso players, is the heir
to
> EVH and similarly, SRV is the heir to Hendrix.
I agree with what you say, wholeheartedly. We are probably on the same page
just stating it different. In my opinion, though, Yngwie, doesn't deserve a
place in a comparison of guitarists the which the likes of Hendrix, and
Eddie are mentioned. Before I start getting flamed let me stated that Yngwie
is unbelievable but as you state in another post Don, he is really just a
superb technician. There is no creative flair in my opinion, like that of
EVH or Hendrix. Speaking only of the four I think they rate this way
1.Hendrix, 2. Eddie, 3. SRV, and a distant 4. Yngwie.
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Everett Hickey wrote:
I missed that one - what happened?
Got an MPEG of it perhaps?
Everett Hickey
>
> Everett Hickey wrote:
>
> > "Paul Booth Johnson" <p...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> > news:3BDDB092...@frontiernet.net...
> > > Everett Hickey wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Coke in the morr-ning, coke in the eeev-ning, coke around
> > sup-perrrr-tiiiime...."
> >
> > Actually coke seemed to hinder his performance much of the time. Case
in
> > point... his Star Spangled Banner at that one baseball game. That
was...
> > sad.
>
> I missed that one - what happened?
>
> Got an MPEG of it perhaps?
Nope... saw it on a few documentaries though (I don't care much for VH1's
music, but they sure have some good documentaries). He looked like he was
about to keel over and die, the sound quality was terrible, and his playing
was far far worse. It was a disgrace, not because of his performance, but
because it was HIM giving that kind of performance. Supposedly there have
been other venues where he just wasn't up to par, though on most he was a
friggin god.
Matt Keefer
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> At least he's referring to his crap as "guitar oriented" now as opposed to
> "guitar playing"
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career in the late 80's so I suppose Vai doesn't count, unless you want to
include his stints in Alcatrazz, Whitesnake and with the DLR (David Lee
Roth) band.
But then again Satch was definitely a force to be reckoned with during the
80's.
Between EVH and Yngwie, like somebody mentioned before,
EVH - the innovator
YJM - the amazing technician who also revolutionised the guitar the way
you'd never expect to hear it back in 84.
My $0.02 of course.
FVD.
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They tell my story,
If you don't feel it,
You will never understand."
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Dumbo
> wHAT????????????????? Dead wrong.
Dead right, imo. Eddie wins hands down. Hell, I don't care how fast a man plays if his
music is not particularly engaging. Eddie's good tho.
TAPKAE
Ogg
performance, it makes technical playing a lot easier and tighter yet leaves
it emotionally detached and superficial sounding. Coke addicts tend to have
very tight chops but the feel is more like a feel of panic, not one of
beauty, love or joy. Excessive coffee drinking does the same thing to a
player...
Also, sources state that although SRV also used his cocaine in the
normal manner, he would always spike his booze with it, during shows. The
alcohol would take away the nervous edge, yet the coke would counteract the
boozes' CNS depression, or at least that's the idea the user has in mind.news:3bddda1f$1...@newsa.ev1.net...
Hilton
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> > wHAT????????????????? Dead wrong.
> Dead right, imo. Eddie wins hands down. Hell, I don't care how fast a man
plays if his
> music is not particularly engaging. Eddie's good tho.
You haven't given Yngwie proper listen then. If you would give Yngwie a
fair listen, check out:
"Bedroom Eyes" - if you want a feel for Yngwie's blues based Rock
songwriting/playing.
"Dreaming" - if you want a taste of his acoustic/ballad writing.
"Flamenco Diablo"- for a bit of spanish guitar flair.
"Far Beyond The Sun" - just an amazingly powerful example of his baroque
rock instrumental work.
Eddie may have been an innovator no doubt. But his playing is wanking in
comparison to Yngwie's technical prowess and his ability to write in
multiple styles. Yngwie is masterful at electric and acoustic, blues,
baroque, rock, and more. Eddie VH wrote and performed in the context of a
popular, dare I say commercial, rock band. Yngwie, while making splashes
with popularity, has stood on the outside looking in. More of a
misunderstood virtuoso than an acclaimed "rock star". Heck even Jimi and
SRV have received much more notoriety than Yngwie. None of the four is of
the same mold, yet Jimi will hold the title of Rock God compared against the
other three. EVH will be runner-up over the course of history just because
he did it about seven years before Yngwie was noticed, and SRV is just in a
different class. SRV's playing is all feel and soul. Not perfection, not
virtuosity, just feel, and there's not a thing wrong with that. It's just a
different class of playing.
JHMO,
Andy
The Space Ace
tom
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Vince wrote:
> I disagree---Yngwie is the heir to Blackmore and Uli Roth
If you want Uli, listen to Uli. I loved him in the Scorps and also he did
some cool classical music. He was the real deal, Yngwie ain't.
Tom
Rob
In all fairness, Yngwie isn't na Uli clone. Sure he's ripped off Uli &
Blackmore, but he does have a style all of his own & doesn't phrase as
musically as Uli does. Yngwie used to be the real deal, unfortunately now he
sounds more like a Joe Stump clone than what he used to sound like. I wish
he's just go back & listen to his old albums & compare them to the way he
plays now. Surely even he can tell that he is less of a player now than he
used to be. What happened to the muscicality & perfect note choice that he
used to have? All his solos sound cut n' paste now a days. Sad!!!!!!
Triple...@hotmail.com
Yngwie is far superior to Eddie--he can even play part of "Eruption" with
his teeth!!!!
Wow!!!! Don't use too many exclamation points or people will think you are
a Sammy Hagar fan!!!!
John
Luc Vigeant
p...@frontiernet.net a écrit le 01/10/29 14:39 :
> EVH
>
> No one except other guitar players ever heard of Yngwie back in the
> 80's.
Wow!, he had a grammy nomenie(spelling?) at that time...
lux
>
> But EVH's tone has never been equaled as far as I'm concerned.
Agree..
Lux
hans
guitar players Top 100 players list. Make that Top 500.
Hans
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Rich
Yep, the ultimate geeter wanker.
Hauke
> 1980's? Who got the better sound out of his equipment?
> Which one is more enjoyable to listen to as far as you're
> concerned?
they both pale in comparison to the lead guitarist of the mighty band ENFORCER.
ENFORCER will rule in 2002
Hauke
> but let's not forget Stevy Ray Vaughan.
oh yeah FOOL and VH III was a masterpiece. get real, EVH is a washed
up, dried up, relic from days gone by. his hip isn't the only thing
that has seen better days. his playing isn't what it used to be
either. while wingnut porkenstien may not be the god his mindless
followers make him out to be he can wax ed's a$$ any day.
Everett Hickey
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> dans l'article 3BDDB05A...@frontiernet.net, Paul Booth Johnson Ã
> p...@frontiernet.net a écrit le 01/10/29 14:39 :
>
> > EVH
> >
> > No one except other guitar players ever heard of Yngwie back in the
> > 80's.
>
> Wow!, he had a grammy nomenie(spelling?) at that time...
Dunno... *I* never even HEARD of Malmsteen until I saw him mentioned in this
group a few months back. I'd heard some of his stuff as he played with
other groups, but it was always part of that group's sound, never the sound
of a particular guitarist. And... he never impressed me that much,
musically... one reason I probably didn't even know he existed until I heard
about his technical prowress.
There's a number of people who get Emmies and Grammies that the vast
majority wouldn't recognize. If he won a grammie, he was one of them, as he
was a rock-god for guitarists, but not for fans in general.
Everett Hickey
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Will all other forms of music be on "his" way out?
Steve Vai
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:37:03 -0800, "Jarl Sigurd"
<jarls...@geocities.com> wrote:
>In your opinion, which one was the better guitarist during the
>1980's? Who got the better sound out of his equipment?
>Which one is more enjoyable to listen to as far as you're
>concerned?
>
>Jarl Sigurd
>
>to listen to guitar oriented music by Jarl Sigurd,
>visit: http://www.ampcast.com/JarlSigurd
>
>
"I don't listen to music. I hate all music."
- Johnny Rotten
tom
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Everett Hickey wrote:
> "Luc Vigeant" <lucvi...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> >
> > Wow!, he had a grammy nomenie(spelling?) at that time...
>
> There's a number of people who get Emmies and Grammies that the vast
> majority wouldn't recognize. If he won a grammie, he was one of them, as he
> was a rock-god for guitarists, but not for fans in general.
I prefer Walter Ostinack who won his several grammies for polka related
CDs.
Tom
3 EYED PIG
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:47:12 GMT, skill...@hotmail.dot.com (Steve
Vai) wrote:
>satriani. vai. johnson.
Hilton
were lamenting the preponderance of Jarl posts. Ask and ye shall recieve.
(in typical Hork run on fashion) ...and I had your mama last night she was
good and only $2.00....
Andy
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> On 31 Oct 2001 06:35:50 -0800, hauke...@yahoo.com (Hauke) wrote:
>
> >ENFORCER will rule in 2002
>
> Cool! I don't like you already!
>
>
> __
>
> ++Captain Tripps++
> http://members.home.net/captain-tripps/WTC_7_28_01.jpg
>
> "My name is Lucifer, please bake my ham"
Triple...@hotmail.com
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> Without Eddie, Satraiani would never have surfed with an alien.
Yeah, Eddie invented the guitar like Al Gore invented the internet.
John
Triple...@hotmail.com
> oh yeah FOOL and VH III was a masterpiece. get real, EVH is a washed
> up, dried up, relic from days gone by. his hip isn't the only thing
> that has seen better days. his playing isn't what it used to be
> either. while wingnut porkenstien may not be the god his mindless
> followers make him out to be he can wax ed's a$$ any day.
LISTEN, don't say mean things about VH on AMVH, it is disrespectful.
What does ING-VAY tip the scales at, about 250?
John
Hilton
<Triple...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> LISTEN, don't say mean things about VH on AMVH, it is disrespectful.
>
> What does ING-VAY tip the scales at, about 250?
>
> John
>
>
At the risk of starting a flame war, would you like to address Eddie's
health problems as well? "Hork Nissan" is a jack-ass and an equal
opportunity offender. Take his post for what it is: a hopeless cry for
attention.
Andy
Catman the Great
They aren't getting the joke, John. I'm as disappointed as you.
With Regards,
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Triple...@hotmail.com
> At the risk of starting a flame war, would you like to address Eddie's
> health problems as well?
You want to compare Yngwie's "health problem" to Eddies? Eddie is in such
good shape that he doesn't even need to quit smoking to beat cancer. He's
"spoting" cancer 10 points, so to speak.
>"Hork Nissan" is a jack-ass and an equal
> opportunity offender. Take his post for what it is: a hopeless cry for
> attention.
People like him should NEVER post in AMVH.
John
Triple...@hotmail.com
> > > LISTEN, don't say mean things about VH on AMVH, it is disrespectful.
> > >
> > > What does ING-VAY tip the scales at, about 250?
> >
> > At the risk of starting a flame war, would you like to address Eddie's
> > health problems as well? "Hork Nissan" is a jack-ass and an equal
> > opportunity offender. Take his post for what it is: a hopeless cry for
> > attention.
>
> They aren't getting the joke, John. I'm as disappointed as you.
Its still kind of fun. "The Beatles vs. Van Halen"? Who thought of that one?
:-)
John
3 EYED PIG
>Yeah, Eddie invented the guitar like Al Gore invented the internet.
Who is claiming that Eddie invented the guitar?
Everett Hickey
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Beatles, man... deffinitely the Beatles... hands down....
Though imagine if back in 63 their lineup had included an extra guitarist
like EVH... experimenter and innovator... their sound would have changed
music far more than it did (which was a hell of a lot to begin with).
Catman the Great
Eddie's probably claimed it.
With Regards,
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Karsten Johansson
>
> Kinda like the pretty girl
> who's stuck up: you don't WANT to admit she's pretty anymore because of her
> ATTITUDE.;)
I think Rob would agree - Yngwie is still pretty, despite his attitude.
:)
Karsten
Karsten Johansson
Just wondering. We know this thread will eventually end up in this
discussion. I don't think Hauke could ever let Jarl take his spotlight.
Karsten
Rob
Tis true. Yngwie is the most beautiful woman since Dom Deluise.
Karsten Johansson
>
> Tis true. Yngwie is the most beautiful woman since Dom Deluise.
Hehe...
Triple...@hotmail.com
> > Its still kind of fun. "The Beatles vs. Van Halen"? Who thought of that
> one?
>
> Beatles, man... deffinitely the Beatles... hands down....
The Beatles are bigger than Jesus. Van Halen isn't. Yngwie is bigger
than anyone.
> Though imagine if back in 63 their lineup had included an extra guitarist
> like EVH... experimenter and innovator... their sound would have changed
> music far more than it did (which was a hell of a lot to begin with).
He wouldn't have fit in. Harrison is a brilliant musician, but his stuff
blends
in with the rest of the music. Eddie learns "neat little tricks" on the
guitar
then tries to squeeze them into songs.
John
Triple...@hotmail.com
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:51:30 -0500, <Triple...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, Eddie invented the guitar like Al Gore invented the internet.
>
> Who is claiming that Eddie invented the guitar?
You cut out too many of the quotes, I've forgotten the context.
John
Hilton
and call it quits, computer included!
Andy
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disciple of Hauke too Rob :)
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LOL!!!
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They tell my story,
If you don't feel it,
You will never understand."
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> Hack and Gnarl both suck. If they took lessons from a very gifted teacher
> and practiced hard every day they may one day work up to Neil Young or
Kurt
> Cobain status. IOW, neither one had better quit their day jobs.
>
>
> Tragic Comic
Steve Vai
& exotic scales to the fore front of the guitar world....eddie was
playing back yard barbeques & birthdays while satch was studying with
jazz pianist lennie tristano. the satriani of today would be here
today with or without edward van halen.
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wrote:
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Nachthymen
>1980's? Who got the better sound out of his equipment?
>Which one is more enjoyable to listen to as far as you're
>concerned?
>
>
Well Yngwie is definitely more of a shredder as far as neo-classical is
concerned while Eddie is more of a blusey hard rocking guitarist. I think Eddie
is more talented because he is more creative and focuses more on technique. His
tapping and harmonic tricks are so original and noone else has ever come up
with shit like that.
Nicholas Totoro
<<Is that right ? forgot eddie was the one who brought pitch axis
theory & exotic scales to the fore front of the guitar world....eddie was
playing back yard barbeques & birthdays while satch was studying with
jazz pianist lennie tristano. the satriani of today would be here today
with or without edward van halen.>>
Satch most likely would not have been able to do it with an amp with
high pre-gain on a Strat-style guitar with humbucking pickups and a Floyd
Rose, though. EVH did more to get attention and earn his place in guitar
history than just play quickly and tap.
Nick
--
"Leave the gun... take the cannollis" Peter Clemenza, "The Godfather"
Steve Vai
> Satch most likely would not have been able to do it with an amp with
>high pre-gain on a Strat-style guitar with humbucking pickups and a Floyd
>Rose, though. EVH did more to get attention and earn his place in guitar
>history than just play quickly and tap.
do you think he started with a chrome ibanez JS1000 ? he used a 54'
strat.....
Nicholas Totoro
<<do you think he started with a chrome ibanez JS1000 ? he used a 54'
strat.....>>
Did it have humbucking, body-mounted pickups rewound by hand and a
locking tremolo? Probably not.
Nick
Triple...@hotmail.com
> Did it have humbucking, body-mounted pickups rewound by hand and a
> locking tremolo? Probably not.
Eddie invented humbuckers, locking tremelos?
John
Nicholas Totoro
<<Eddie invented humbuckers, locking tremelos?>>
No, smartass, but he was the first to popularize humbuckers in a Strat.
Nobody else was doing it until the first VH album and people caught on. He
also received the first locking tremolo made by a machinist named Floyd
Rose. The craze in the '80's known as the SuperStrat was from the popularity
of EVH.
Nick
Steve Vai
no he did it without that.
David Ellis
Triple...@hotmail.com wrote:
ÂThe Beatles are bigger than Jesus. Van Halen isn't. Yngwie is bigger
than anyone.
 When Yngwie sits around the studio.........he really sits around the studio......geddit?....sits around the stu........aw forget it.......
Terry Parker
of Eddie's idea. Sold a lot of those guitars too.
Parker
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<<no he did it without that.>>
Did what? He didn't do tapping. He didn't have a dual-humbucker,
Strat-style guitar. He certainly didn't have a Floyd Rose. He would have
basically been Joe, the guitar teacher from Long Island.
Nick
Triple...@hotmail.com
> <<Eddie invented humbuckers, locking tremelos?>>
>
> No, smartass, but he was the first to popularize humbuckers in a
Strat.
So?
> Nobody else was doing it until the first VH album and people caught on.
So?
>He
> also received the first locking tremolo made by a machinist named Floyd
> Rose.
What's this mean to the typical person? Not everyone is a guitar techie.
>The craze in the '80's known as the SuperStrat was from the popularity
> of EVH.
So?
John
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>Triple...@hotmail.com wrote:
Take my Swede please! :-)
John
Karsten Johansson
answer in either case...
Karsten
Steve Vai
tapping ? the fuck does that have to do with shit ? dual humbucker
strat styled guitar ? what the fuck does that have to do with anything
? floyd rose ? what the fuck does that have to do with anything? no he
didn't tap, not until surfing with the alien came out, his 2 albums
before that to my knowledge contained no tapping aside from an allen
wrench on the pickup pole pieces (for drum sounds). he used a 3 single
coil 54 strat, i believe the neck & some electronics were not original
but basically thats what he used, then went onto an ibanez something
ro rather then to his signature model....the point is he would be
doing what he is doing with or without ed's rise to stardom, you see
joe satriani was and is an avid follower of hendrix's music...he took
from that. was ed using pitch axis theory in his music? was ed using
exotic scales & modes ? nope...ed & joe are two totally different
players. as far as theory & composition goes they are opposite ends of
the spectrum.
Steve Vai
On Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:29:59 GMT, Karsten Johansson <ks...@home.com>
wrote:
>If I had to choose between Teaser and Panama, I'd be at a loss for an
>answer in either case...
>
> Karsten
Rob
>On Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:29:59 GMT, Karsten Johansson <ks...@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>>If I had to choose between Teaser and Panama, I'd be at a loss for an
>>answer in either case...
>>
>> Karsten
Panama is the superior song/solo. If Yngwie did it, it would go something like
this:
I reach between my legs & grab a ding dong
I can feel the chocolate between the wrapper
I take a bite & the filling is running, it's running, done my chin like a real
creamy filling, got the power, it ain't sour, there's no turning back now....
Triple...@hotmail.com
> Panama is the superior song/solo. If Yngwie did it, it would go something
like
> this:
>
> I reach between my legs & grab a ding dong
> I can feel the chocolate between the wrapper
> I take a bite & the filling is running, it's running, done my chin like a
real
> creamy filling, got the power, it ain't sour, there's no turning back
now....
Do you think Yngwie could see, let alone reach below his waist?
John
Nicholas Totoro
<<tapping? the fuck does that have to do with shit? dual humbucker
strat styled guitar? what the fuck does that have to do with anything? floyd
rose? what the fuck does that have to do with anything?>>
They all have to do with everything in Joe Satriani's style. He uses
all those things which were concepts popularized buy EVH. Satch doesn't tap?
He doesn't play a Strat-style Ibanez with humbuckers? He doesn't use a Floyd
Rose-style bridge? If you have ever seen or heard him live, he even uses
wild harmonics in conjunction with the bar. Isn't that clear by now or are
you just arguing for the sake of hearing your own voice and trying to ignore
what I'm saying?
Just as an example, EVH had a Strat and a Les Paul. He wanted the Les
Paul sounds, but with the Strat feel & comfort so duhh... seemingly simply
enough he carved out the body a little and put the humbucker in it. Seems
simple, but no manufacturers had even done it. Before you know it, everyone
in LA is doing it and now look how many Superstrats there are on the market.
Then he got tired of how the guitar kept going out of tune with
aggressive tremolo use. Enter a young guy named Floyd Rose who says he has
an idea and was told to pitch it to EVH, who had a deal with Kramer at the
time and could give him huge exposure.
Tapping... it's arguable whether EVH got it on record before Peter
Banks, but we know what he has started and where it has gone. Even the high
pre-amp gain sounds weren't used much before EVH (Frank Zappa and a few
others possibly).
<<no he didn't tap, not until surfing with the alien came out, his 2
albums before that to my knowledge contained no tapping aside from an allen
wrench on the pickup pole pieces (for drum sounds).>>
What?!?!?!? You're kidding, right? First, there was only one album
before Surfing and "Not of this Earth" has plenty of tapping, some of it
even in the two-handed style (Headless Horseman) like Stu Hamm that EVH has
used in the same live solo he has done since 1984 (which does need a
change... the same live solo for two decades).
<<was ed using pitch axis theory in his music? was ed using exotic
scales & modes ? nope...ed & joe are two totally different players. as far
as theory & composition goes they are opposite ends of the spectrum.>>
No one cares about pitch axis. What is so important about it? It's
really not even that useful and hardly revolutionary. Lots of songs have
been written that are something similar (but not identical), like having a
song that goes from Am to AM or some augmented scale like E Phrygian
Dominant to EM or something (logical because of the major third).
He certainly didn't bring exotic scales to guitar, either. That was Les
Paul & Django Reinhardt in the 20th Century. My original point was that EVH
did more to influence the way electric rock guitar looked and was played
than Satriani, not that he was a better all-around musician. Satriani does
have a huge knowledge of theory, but isn't the innovator that EVH has been.
Now, compare pitch axis theory to the contributions of EVH and see which
ones have changed rock guitar like no one since Hendrix and Les Paul before
that.
Nick
TzarZaltan
>
> In your opinion, which one was the better guitarist during the
> 1980's?
Van Halen
>Who got the better sound out of his equipment?
Van Halen
> Which one is more enjoyable to listen to as far as you're
> concerned?
Yngwie for the Comedy factor.
TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than Jarl Sigurd
http://www.ampcast.com/TzarZaltan
Jarl Sigurd
THE BROWNS wrote in message ...
Ask him what David Lee Roth's favorite flavor of ice cream
is or if Devin Townshend has any birthmarks?
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to a music based on Slonimsky's Thesaurus of Scales,
visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098 and
download "Casino of Doom" or "Chains and Brains"
Jarl Sigurd
Steve Vai wrote
>& exotic scales to the fore front of the guitar world....
Weren't John MacLaughlin and Al DiMeola doing that stuff
long before Joe Satriani?
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to guitar solos based on exotic scales, visit
http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
Steve Vai
<nto...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>skill...@hotmail.dot.com wrote...
>
> <<tapping? the fuck does that have to do with shit? dual humbucker
>strat styled guitar? what the fuck does that have to do with anything? floyd
>rose? what the fuck does that have to do with anything?>>
>
> They all have to do with everything in Joe Satriani's style. He uses
>all those things which were concepts popularized buy EVH.
tapping ? beck & page were tapping before EVH picked up the guitar, no
one really realizes it because they didn't make it thier lifes work to
tap the fuck out of a guitar...ed uses it as a crutch. lots of players
use tapping in thier playing, some use it way too fucking much....ed
is one of those players.
>atch doesn't tap?
i confirm he does. as does about 14 million other guitarists on the
planet earth.
>He doesn't play a Strat-style Ibanez with humbuckers?
this is subjective....what is strat style ? lots of guitar shapes can
be called strat style, but what does the style have to do with shit ?
the strat cutaways offer easy access to higher notes....are you
suggesting satriani is using a strat styled body because EVH used a
strat ? thats ludicrous.... one could easily say EVH used a strat
styled guitar cause dick dale did...
>
He doesn't use a Floyd
>Rose-style bridge?
he does....when he started no.
>If you have ever seen or heard him live, he even uses
>wild harmonics in conjunction with the bar. Isn't that clear by now or are
>you just arguing for the sake of hearing your own voice and trying to ignore
>what I'm saying?
iv'e seen him live twice, meet him twice....sure he uses "wild"
harmonics....hahaha wild harmonics...ok dude. hendrix too used "wild"
harmonics & wammy dives....whats your point ?
> Just as an example, EVH had a Strat and a Les Paul. He wanted the Les
>Paul sounds, but with the Strat feel & comfort so duhh... seemingly simply
>enough he carved out the body a little and put the humbucker in it. Seems
>simple, but no manufacturers had even done it. Before you know it, everyone
>in LA is doing it and now look how many Superstrats there are on the market.
> Then he got tired of how the guitar kept going out of tune with
>aggressive tremolo use. Enter a young guy named Floyd Rose who says he has
>an idea and was told to pitch it to EVH, who had a deal with Kramer at the
>time and could give him huge exposure.
as i heard it floyd was on a plane with one of EVH's people & thats
how evh got a hold of a floyd....
> Tapping... it's arguable whether EVH got it on record before Peter
>Banks, but we know what he has started and where it has gone. Even the high
>pre-amp gain sounds weren't used much before EVH (Frank Zappa and a few
>others possibly).
tapping is evh's crutch....he falls back on it when he has nothing
else cause it sounds cool....tons of players use tapping, they just
don't make it thier MO.....the only player i can think of that taps
more than EVH is stanley jordan....thats it.
>
> <<no he didn't tap, not until surfing with the alien came out, his 2
>albums before that to my knowledge contained no tapping aside from an allen
>wrench on the pickup pole pieces (for drum sounds).>>
>
> What?!?!?!? You're kidding, right? First, there was only one album
>before Surfing and "Not of this Earth" has plenty of tapping, some of it
>even in the two-handed style (Headless Horseman) like Stu Hamm that EVH has
>used in the same live solo he has done since 1984 (which does need a
>change... the same live solo for two decades).
im talking about the squares dude...
>
> <<was ed using pitch axis theory in his music? was ed using exotic
>scales & modes ? nope...ed & joe are two totally different players. as far
>as theory & composition goes they are opposite ends of the spectrum.>>
>
> No one cares about pitch axis. What is so important about it?
no one cares about tapping, what is so important about it ?
It's
>really not even that useful and hardly revolutionary.
it isn't such a difficult concept. It refers to the way in which a
combination of modes can be used all in relation to one base note.
That base note defines the overall 'key' and the modes played over the
top create a mixture of different tonalities, instead of new key
centers. The result can be anything from a beautiful to otherworldly
sound.
Some of the pieces in which Joe has made use of the Pitch Axis
technique are Not of This Earth, Always With Me, Always With You, With
Jupiter In Mind and Satch Boogie.
>Lots of songs have
>been written that are something similar (but not identical), like having a
>song that goes from Am to AM or some augmented scale like E Phrygian
>Dominant to EM or something (logical because of the major third).
> He certainly didn't bring exotic scales to guitar, either. That was Les
>Paul & Django Reinhardt in the 20th Century. My original point was that EVH
>did more to influence the way electric rock guitar looked and was played
>than Satriani, not that he was a better all-around musician. Satriani does
>have a huge knowledge of theory, but isn't the innovator that EVH has been.
>Now, compare pitch axis theory to the contributions of EVH and see which
>ones have changed rock guitar like no one since Hendrix and Les Paul before
>that.
> Nick
>
>
Matt Keefer
Holly and a few others. Blackmore revitalized it in the 70s, and Yngwie
revitalized it again in the 80s.
2) The first super-strats were made by Wayne Charvel, not EVH.
3) Tapping is fine if you need to play an arpeggio on one string that
extends beyond the player's reach, take an augmented triad. And it's not
revolutionary, it's just a fretboard tool/trick that got completely
overused, like portamento.
4) Pitch Axis is fundamental to jazz, not Satch or EVH, and is a
compositional tool, not a technical tool, like tapping. P.A. IS
revolutionary because it's a new way of looking at music, which under strict
diatonics was starting to get a little tired.
5) Deepening the lower cutaway on a strat isn't going to do anything unless
you have more frets to reach. A standard Strat has only 21 frets.
6) High preamp gain wasn't even new when EVH became popular. Check out early
Scorpions for example.
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<<tapping ? beck & page were tapping before EVH picked up the guitar... >>
Oh? Where? The only recorded material before EVH was some early Genesis...
and it certainly wasn't the same.
<<...no one really realizes it because they didn't make it thier lifes work
to tap the fuck out of a guitar...ed uses it as a crutch.>>
Ya... because EVH has never been known as a good rhythm player or writer.
All he does it tap. I forgot...
<<i confirm he does. as does about 14 million other guitarists on the
planet earth.>>
You said he never did it until "Surfing with the Alien." No one tapped like
EVH until EVH. Woulda', coulda', shoulda'... whatever... EVH did it. Millions of
guitar players on the planet earth play solid-body guitars, record with multiple
tracks and use delay. Doesn't make Les Paul's contributions any less.
<<this is subjective....what is strat style ? lots of guitar shapes can be
called strat style, but what does the style have to do with shit ? the strat
cutaways offer easy access to higher notes....are you suggesting satriani is
using a strat styled body because EVH used a strat ?>>
Oh, please. Now you're being argumentative. It has *everything* to do with
modern guitar. Do I need to explain it again? EVH had a Strat body and a
humbucker from a Les Paul. The Paul was too uncomfortable for him, so he routed
the body and slapped the humbucker in it. *No one* ever made a guitar like that.
Once the EVH craze hit, *everybody* made guitars like that. Isn't that clear to
you by now? I'm not saying Satriani looked at EVH and said "oh, this is neat,"
I'm saying that the reason Satriani has a guitar like that is because EVH
started the trend.
<< thats ludicrous.... one could easily say EVH used a strat styled guitar
cause dick dale did... >>
Maybe he did. I don't know. Dick Dale's never had a humbucker in it,
though. Haven't you yet been able to fathom what a huge thing that is?
<<he does....when he started no.>>
No.
<<iv'e seen him live twice, meet him twice....sure he uses "wild"
harmonics....hahaha wild harmonics...ok dude. hendrix too used "wild" harmonics
& wammy dives....whats your point ?>>
Hendrix was Hendrix. EVH was EVH and the stuff both spawned was different.
Hendrix's harmonics weren't the screams of EVH.
<<as i heard it floyd was on a plane with one of EVH's people & thats how
evh got a hold of a floyd.... >>
However it happened is secondary. Primarily, he caught wind EVH wasn't
happy with whatever the bridge was that Kramer wanted him to use, so he was told
to pitch the idea of the double-locking tremolo. Regardess, he had it before
anyone. No one else was even interested.
<<tapping is evh's crutch....he falls back on it when he has nothing else
cause it sounds cool....tons of players use tapping, they just don't make it
thier MO.....the only player i can think of that taps more than EVH is stanley
jordan....thats it.>>
Bla, bla, bla...
<<im talking about the squares dude... >>
<sarcasm>
Ya... that was a band with playing and songs that turned the guitar world
upside-down.
</sarcasm>
<<no one cares about tapping, what is so important about it?>>
If it was a so unimportant a tool, why was it so popular? You just said
millions of guitarists tapped. Can't have it both ways. Pitch axis... whooo!!!
There was a concept that set the world on fire!
<<it isn't such a difficult concept. It refers to the way in which a
combination of modes can be used all in relation to one base note. That base
note defines the overall 'key' and the modes played over the top create a
mixture of different tonalities, instead of new key centers. The result can be
anything from a beautiful to otherworldly sound.>>
Thank you, but I already know what it is. It has also been used in
religious music for centuries. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm saying it's
nothing in the guitar world compared to EVH's contributions.
That said, I'm finished. My part of this conversation is over. You either
don't understand what I am trying to say or are just being obstinate and
argumentative for the sake of doing so. It's not worth it.
Nick
Fabian J Lelo
http://www.ampcast.com/TzarZaltan
That's probably the most honest comment I've seen all day.
FVD.
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They tell my story,
If you don't feel it,
You will never understand."
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Add a twinkie or two.
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They tell my story,
If you don't feel it,
You will never understand."
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Steve Vai
<nto...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>skill...@hotmail.dot.com wrote...
>
> <<tapping ? beck & page were tapping before EVH picked up the guitar... >>
>
> Oh? Where? The only recorded material before EVH was some early Genesis...
>and it certainly wasn't the same.
page & beck tapped out notes in thier live shows, go watch some of
thier vids dude.
>
> <<...no one really realizes it because they didn't make it thier lifes work
>to tap the fuck out of a guitar...ed uses it as a crutch.>>
>
> Ya... because EVH has never been known as a good rhythm player or writer.
>All he does it tap. I forgot...
actually ya.
>
> <<i confirm he does. as does about 14 million other guitarists on the
>planet earth.>>
>
> You said he never did it until "Surfing with the Alien." No one tapped like
>EVH until EVH. Woulda', coulda', shoulda'... whatever... EVH did it. Millions of
>guitar players on the planet earth play solid-body guitars, record with multiple
>tracks and use delay. Doesn't make Les Paul's contributions any less.
>
> <<this is subjective....what is strat style ? lots of guitar shapes can be
>called strat style, but what does the style have to do with shit ? the strat
>cutaways offer easy access to higher notes....are you suggesting satriani is
>using a strat styled body because EVH used a strat ?>>
>
> Oh, please. Now you're being argumentative. It has *everything* to do with
>modern guitar. Do I need to explain it again? EVH had a Strat body and a
>humbucker from a Les Paul. The Paul was too uncomfortable for him, so he routed
>the body and slapped the humbucker in it. *No one* ever made a guitar like that.
>Once the EVH craze hit, *everybody* made guitars like that. Isn't that clear to
>you by now? I'm not saying Satriani looked at EVH and said "oh, this is neat,"
>I'm saying that the reason Satriani has a guitar like that is because EVH
>started the trend.
charvel not evh. the only trend evh started was tap dancing for the
guitar.
>
> << thats ludicrous.... one could easily say EVH used a strat styled guitar
>cause dick dale did... >>
>
> Maybe he did. I don't know. Dick Dale's never had a humbucker in it,
>though. Haven't you yet been able to fathom what a huge thing that is?
>
it's not a huge thing, whats so huge ? wow a pickup from one guitar
was used in another guitar....
it is a very unimportant tool, it got popular cause it was different &
sounded cool....do you think all the people who went "wow" when they
saw it or heard it instantly thought of what a great musical &
compositional tool it may be in the writing of music ? i hardly think
so. pitch axis is music, tapping is not.
>
> <<it isn't such a difficult concept. It refers to the way in which a
>combination of modes can be used all in relation to one base note. That base
>note defines the overall 'key' and the modes played over the top create a
>mixture of different tonalities, instead of new key centers. The result can be
>anything from a beautiful to otherworldly sound.>>
>
> Thank you, but I already know what it is. It has also been used in
>religious music for centuries. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm saying it's
>nothing in the guitar world compared to EVH's contributions.
> That said, I'm finished. My part of this conversation is over. You either
>don't understand what I am trying to say or are just being obstinate and
>argumentative for the sake of doing so. It's not worth it.
> Nick
evh's biggest contribution is his ego, which is only surpassed by his
lack of business smarts....
lance
Someone who for thousands of guitar players is the reason they started
playing?
Someone who's been number one on lists of greatest guitarists By guitarists
for over a decade? Is it because he's popular and Yngwie isnt? Yngwie plays
guitar music for guitarists if you think about it. He's a technical wonder.
He's not EVH. He doesnt wanna be. Eddie isnt him.Doesn't wanna be So why do
you hate this person you never met who brought joy into millions of lives?
"Steve Vai" <skill...@hotmail.dot.com> wrote in message
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Steve Vai
wrote:
>Why exactly do you hate someone you never met and never will?
>Someone who for thousands of guitar players is the reason they started
>playing?
i don't hate ed.... im saying satriani doesn't play the way he does
because of ed.
>Someone who's been number one on lists of greatest guitarists By guitarists
>for over a decade?
ummm i believe thats hendrix dude.
>Is it because he's popular and Yngwie isnt?
yngwie sucks balls.
lance
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:37:19 GMT, "lance" <lan...@ispchannel.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why exactly do you hate someone you never met and never will?
> >Someone who for thousands of guitar players is the reason they started
> >playing?
>
> i don't hate ed.... im saying satriani doesn't play the way he does
> because of ed.
>
Maybe inspired by or grabbed a few cool ideas from. Thats called musical
evolution.
> ummm i believe thats hendrix dude.
>
Hendrix is probably THE great. But Eddie consistently beat him out on all
the lists i saw in the 80's. Of course its because hendrix was gone.. Point
is why do people have so much trouble giving credit where its due. Next
we'll be hearing VH, Ozzy, AC/DC, Bon jovi had nothing to do with metal....
Eeek they were popular and made millions of people go buy metal albums and
thousands of guitarists check out what that funny overdrive knob on their
amp did.
> >Is it because he's popular and Yngwie isnt?
>
> yngwie sucks balls.
>
Hehe i semi agree. Someone should teach him about this melody thing they
came out with.
Everett Hickey
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> Hendrix is probably THE great. But Eddie consistently beat him out on all
> the lists i saw in the 80's. Of course its because hendrix was gone..
Point
> is why do people have so much trouble giving credit where its due. Next
> we'll be hearing VH, Ozzy, AC/DC, Bon jovi had nothing to do with
metal....
> Eeek they were popular and made millions of people go buy metal albums and
> thousands of guitarists check out what that funny overdrive knob on their
> amp did.
VH... I don't think they did a damned thing for metal specifically. But,
they did help re-introduce a trend of harder rock at a time when it was
starting to mellow out a little too much. That helped create an atmosphere
where metal had a chance to evolve.
Ozzy... I think he actually helped quite a bit. Black Sabbath pretty much
was part of the genesis of metal, and while Ozzy kind of went pop after BS,
his music kept much of it's metal sound and inspired many of the next
generation of metalheads.
AC/DC... not metal, but many of the early metalurgists (hehehe) pointed at
them as a core influence. Also, like VH, they helped make the world a safer
place for metal by fending off some of the happyhappy dance music or
super-artsy eurorock.
Bon Jovi... what were you smoking? You were doing ok until that last one
there... By the time BJ started to really even play hard in any appreciable
manner, metal had already emerged and diverged past any point where BJ could
support them. Besides, John Bon Jovi never made any decent music until he
left BJ... until then he didn't appeal to much of anyone but pre-teen girls.
ca_...@hotmail.com
I think when it comes to Metal, one must look further in the past. Back to
the time when bands like Blue Cheer and MC-5 were around. Mc-5 were
extremely hard and heavy as were Blue Cheer,Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
Steppenwolf and many others. Metal got it's start in the 60's with these
bands.
btw..bon jovi is like sammy hager..they are the cheese wiz of heavy
metal...Rob L