Worst Yngwie Malmsteen Album Ever?
Jarl Sigurd
Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
Jarl Sigurd
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Ace Diamond
My vote goes for Fire and Ice. That CD was so icy I hope
Yngwie fired his band right afterwards, especially the singer.
Ace
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"Ace Diamond" <Ace9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Rob
>Trilogy is at the bottom of my list
You're nuts!!!!!
RSan687699
>From: r...@ix.netcom.com (Rob)
>Date: Sat, 27 November 1999 09:47 PM EST
>Message-id: <LI004.15105$I5.1...@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>
>
>In article
O.k. well I sort of hear Facing The Animal and It sounds like shit...I mean
the lead singer sounds like he has throat cancer...and where the hell is the
melody.
Thanks I love you all
Rowan
Matt Keefer
Rob <r...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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I'd put Magnum Opus at the bottom of mine.
Matt Keefer
Jarl Sigurd <jarls...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
His MIDI Symphony was pretty terrible...
Matt
Matt Keefer
> Yngwie fired his band right afterwards, especially the singer.
Hate to say it, but I really like Fire & Ice. After Dragon Fly and Teaser,
the album is pretty strong... esp. Leviathan, F&I, Forever..., and Own
Enemy.
Karsten Johansson
Karsten Johansson
Diophantus wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:56:45 -0800, Jarl Sigurd <jarls...@geocities.com>
> wrote:
> >Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> >Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
>
> Probably Steeler. Die hard Yngwie fans should have this only for the sake of
> completeness. He does do a few good shreds on there, but that's about it. The
> singer on that album is atrocious, and spoils every song. I think that Yngwie
> just got stuck in this band for a while after he landed in America, I doubt
> that working with those musicians was his choice.
Matt Keefer
A question: What guitar do you really play? The pic you have on your site
is from a Dean advert at www.edromanguitars.com/deaz81cb.jpg
It obviously doesn't have a MIDI pickup because it's not yours.
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Jarl Sigurd <jarls...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
>
LJ
Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
Ni...@lindleyn.freeserve.co.uk
>> My vote goes for Fire and Ice. That CD was so icy I hope
>> Yngwie fired his band right afterwards, especially the singer.
>
>Hate to say it, but I really like Fire & Ice.
Me too. Listening to it right now, in fact.
>After Dragon Fly and Teaser,
What's wrong with Dragonfly? I like that one.
>the album is pretty strong... esp. Leviathan, F&I, Forever..., and Own
>Enemy.
Don't forget Perpetual! :)
~ Nick Lindley ~
'The soil of a man's heart is stonier'
Ni...@lindleyn.freeserve.co.uk
>Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
>Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
Neither of those, IMO. I'd go with Magnum Opus. Couple of good tracks on
their but generally, it's a below par album.
Karsten Johansson
understand.
That song is as cheesey as Yngwie can ever get.
Karsten Johansson
TzarZaltan
>
> Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
>
>
> To listen to a symphony composed and performed on midi guitar
> visit: http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/4085
I would say that Yngwie's worst album was the one he recorded
with that really slutty looking girl vocalist, Lynnda Jo Turner.
Her horrible singing made Yngwie's mediocre song writing sound
even more mediocre.
TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than Jarl Sigurd
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
TzarZaltan
>
> Just the ones that came before and after Rising Force :-) Probably
> Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
> Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
Look, Romeo, just because you're in a mildly successful band
like Symphony X doesn't give you the right to put down the
great Yngwie Malmsteen. It's not like you were Edward Van
Halen or some other guitarist who was actually far better than
Yngwie.
TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than Mike Romeo
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
Diophantus
>Hehehe, but you can't bring yourself around to stick up for Teaser. I
>understand.
>That song is as cheesey as Yngwie can ever get.
I still think that it's cool because it answers the question ``what would
Yngwie sound like making a cheesy Poison-style tune''? ``Oh, that's how,
okay!'' Then you realize that he's better at it than the other cheesemakers.
I generally don't believe in knocking a whole genre of music, because
in nearly each genre you can find some good examples of it done right.
(Though there are some pseudo-genres which are purposely about doing everything
wrong, like just making noise.)
Paul E. Morrison
Paul
Karsten Johansson
Between that song and Queen Is In Love...
Karsten Johansson
Ace Diamond
> >romeo_cat wrote
> >>
> >> Just the ones that came before and after Rising Force :-) Probably
> >> Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
> >> Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
>
> Ha, I don't know if Romeo_Cat really is Mike Romeo, but I prefer Mike's playing
> and songwriting to Yngwayeeeee's. And if you are Mike Romeo, congrats on the
> Metal Blade deal (unless it's still pending), and great job with Symphony X!
> It's good to hear someone influenced by Malmsteen who also realizes the need
> for chunky rhythm playing and structured dissonance.
>
> Here's to hoping for that "Twilight On Olympus" epic track to be on the new
> Symphony X.......
I agree with you totally. Mike Romeo's songwriting with Symphony
X is lightyears better than Yngwie's songwriting. Plus he has
better taste in singers. I look forward to the next Symphony X
release on Metal Blade.
Ace
Andrew McDonald
being God) is a decent mixture of Petrucci and Malmsteen. Having said that,
I was into Malmsteen a long time before Symphony X, and Malmsteen was
neo-classically shredding from early 80's, and can't be dismissed as boring
and old. I think any guitarist who appreciates metal would mosty stand in
awe of either (any) guitarist at a concert.
Just keeping the peace.
Andrew
Diophantus
> Just the ones that came before and after Rising Force :-) Probably
>Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
>Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
You mean that one where he says to let's tune up to E flat, plays the
note for like a second and then starts shredding for the next hour?
Hehehehehe, I loved that. Man, he is funny. I never expected it to be a
teaching video, so I wasn't disappointed.
``Okay, this next thing is something I like to play, it is very classically
influenced. <Shreds real fast>. One more time, slowly. <Shreds nearly as fast
as before>.''
I was wiping tears from my eyes. Very entertaining video.
(If someone wants to really learn those licks, they can get the tabs or
MIDI.)
Diophantus
>Hehehe, I have to give you that one. :)
>
>Between that song and Queen Is In Love...
Queen is in love is actually quite tragic; about the queen and court fool
who are burned at the stake by the king for adultery. It's too short, though.
If someone wrote a western folk song on the same topic, it would go on forever
before the burning part. Mind you, instead of a king and queen and fool, you
would have to have three hicks living in the woods somewhere.
I like the line ``She couldn't help her burning heart, and now he's burning
too''. And then it turns out it's at the stake. Now if you had a lot more
stanzas in between you could call it foreshadowing.
Chip of Known Space
wrote:
>If someone wrote a western folk song on the same topic, it would go on forever
>before the burning part. Mind you, instead of a king and queen and fool, you
>would have to have three hicks living in the woods somewhere.
The problem with his lyrics isn't neccessarily the subject matter, but
the lyrical approach. He doesn't use metaphor much, and when he does
it's primitive D&D imagery. I agree with a previous poster, that
Steve Harris/Iron Maiden handled such topics with more aplomb.
It's really a shame, because he turns off *alot* of people because of
his lyrics. You can write lyrics about queens being in love (er...
althought the type of "queen" you're referencing could be a
questionable subject..<g>), driving fast, or nordic conquests, but if
you do it without any alliteration or metaphor - it's going to be
silly.
If you write lyrics that say "I am a viking; I am going off to war"
you've just painted a simple picture of a stereotype. That's too easy
- easy lyrics seem pointless. If he would put some ambiguity in
there, maybe some metaphor, it would make the image more complex.
Only thing I can figure is that he just throws some lyrics on things,
and he's doing the best he can with a second language. Again - I
couldn't care less, I don't want to hear any singing, unless he
recruits Geoff Tate to do something really classical sounding and not
Deep Purple revisited.
Chip McDonald
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Audun E. J.
I can stick up for Teaser. I like the solo.I agree very much!!!!
Paul
-- # Audun Etnestad Johansen AKA "El_Loco" # 99HINEA #
Zany2...@webtv.net
YNG...@webtv.net
going on, or for that matter, know anyhing whatsoever about guitar
playing or guitar players.Who the hell is Symphony X anyway?Do you have
a discussion group named after you?It is not considered a diss, if the
person sending the diss is not even in the same category as the
diss-e.Playing a few run down clubs somewhere does not make you even
remotely qualified to diss any guitar player. Thanks.
Samson
it now at work.
SAMSON
Matt Keefer <matt....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> > My vote goes for Fire and Ice. That CD was so icy I hope
> > Yngwie fired his band right afterwards, especially the singer.
>
Records
???????????
TzarZaltan wrote in message <384189...@eudoramail.com>...
>romeo_cat wrote
>>
>> Just the ones that came before and after Rising Force :-) Probably
>> Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
>> Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
>
Records
Jarl Sigurd wrote in message ...
TzarZaltan
>
> Crumbfish-way better guitarist than TzarZaltan ;-)
> http://www.mp3.com/TangledGrace
Yeah right. You're quite the comedian!
TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than "Crumbfish".
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
Karsten Johansson
song "Teaser" with the description "kicks ass".
Karsten Johansson
crumbfish
<elect...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Eddie Van Halen better than Yngwie?
>???????????
>TzarZaltan wrote in message <384189...@eudoramail.com>...
I don't think you can compare the two. They are both excellent players
in their own right. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and
oranges.
>>TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than Mike Romeo
>>http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
>>
>
Karsten Johansson
Yngwie.
Karsten Johansson
Crumbfish-not better guitarist than Eddy
crum...@nospam.yahoo.com
<ks...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>I think you *can* compare them. Yngwie can play Eddy, but Eddy can't play
>Yngwie.
>
> Karsten Johansson or Crumbfish not better guitarists than Eddy
>
I never claimed to ba a better guitarist than Eddy. And, if you think
about it, Yngwie may be able to "play" Eddie, but he can never
"phrase" Eddie, nor Crumbfish or Karsten Johansson.....etc.. the notes
are only part of it.
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Samson
Can you blame him for trying to write a hit? Eventually, no matter how
dedicated you are, you want to make some serious money. Imagine if he would
have gotten serious airplay on MTV with that song. A whole new group of
kids would have heard him and possibly been influenced. And then maybe the
guitar players in the sissy/trendy/wannabee bands like Limp Bizkit and Kid
Rock wouldn't suck harder than an amateur porn star. Would that have been
nice? ...and I've switched to Fair Warning from Van Halen for today's
musical selection.
SAMSON
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"FREEK"
it. Can you blame him for trying to write a hit? Eventually, no >matter how
dedicated you are, you want to make some serious >money. Imagine if he
would have gotten serious airplay on MTV >with that song.
I can't blame him for writing the song, but his tiiming is terrible.
"TEASER" very well could have been a BIG hit had it been released in
1984-1988, but by 1992 that type of party pop-metal was already out of
fashion with the MTV crowd.
Later,
"FREEK"
Webmaster
Yngwie Malmsteen's Overture
http://members.xoom.com/Enforcer1/Enforcer6.htm
Unhalowed
think any of his records merit being called bad in the first place. However,
some are most dinfitely better than others. here is how I would rate Yngwie's
albums:
1. Rising Force
2. Marching Out
3. Concerto Suite for Elctric Guitar
4. Odyssey
5. The Seventh Sign
6. Trilogy
7. Alchemy
8. Eclipse
9. Fire and Ice
10. Mgnum Opus
11. Facing the Animal
Rob
>I think you *can* compare them. Yngwie can play Eddy, but Eddy can't play
>Yngwie.
>
> Karsten Johansson
But Yngwie can't play Eddie authentically. Playing the same notes doesn't cut
it. If that were true, then Paul Gilbert could play like anyone. Note wise, he
can, feel & soul wise, he can't. Eddie in his prime was brilliant. Same with
Yngwie. Now both are not so brilliant.
jeff
<TzarZ...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
>crumbfish wrote:
>>
>> Crumbfish-way better guitarist than TzarZaltan ;-)
>> http://www.mp3.com/TangledGrace
>
>Yeah right. You're quite the comedian!
Actually I am.
www.nuclearfish.com
But I don't claim to be that great a guitar player.
TzarZaltan
>
> >Come on now, it may be pop but it still has his signature style all >over
> it. Can you blame him for trying to write a hit? Eventually, no >matter how
> dedicated you are, you want to make some serious >money. Imagine if he
> would have gotten serious airplay on MTV >with that song.
>
> I can't blame him for writing the song, but his tiiming is terrible.
> "TEASER" very well could have been a BIG hit had it been released in
> 1984-1988, but by 1992 that type of party pop-metal was already out of
> fashion with the MTV crowd.
I agree with you 100%. What Yngwie should have done is release
a RAP CD. Imagine what a Malmsteen/Tupac Shapur collaburation
would have sounded like.
TzarZaltan-way better gutarist than FREEK
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
Karsten Johansson
Karsten Johansson
crumbfish wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:11:46 -0500, "Records"
> <elect...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Eddie Van Halen better than Yngwie?
> >???????????
> >TzarZaltan wrote in message <384189...@eudoramail.com>...
>
> I don't think you can compare the two. They are both excellent players
> in their own right. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and
> oranges.
>
> >>TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than Mike Romeo
> >>http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
> >>
> >
Karsten Johansson
Just kidding... in any case, Eddie was good when they weren't doing Panama... Diver down was
good
stuff, but alas, 1983 DLR reached puberty and suddenly all the songs sounded like shit. Eddy
did the
right thing by replacing him. Too bad it was too late and nobody cared about VH or The Red
Rocker
anymore. (and David just continued to get better and better guitar players...)
Karsten Johansson
Crumbfish
<ks...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>A limp orange to one hell of an apple.
>
> Karsten Johansson
>
Now that's not very nice.
______________________
Crumbfish...... WAAAAY better guitarist than Yngwie Malmsteen's
grandmother.
Karsten Johansson
just can't
be better than that. Even Yngwie can't top it.
Karsten Johansson
YNG...@webtv.net
hell would a so called guitarist from a band that no one knows
about,playing in clubs no one knows about, think he has the right to
diss Yngwie.Get a life man...You are not even in the same league, and
will never be with that kind of attitude. Thanks.
YNG...@webtv.net
zeb
best rock players...
If technical excellence is what you're after.
Records wrote:
>
> Eddie Van Halen better than Yngwie?
> ???????????
> TzarZaltan wrote in message <384189...@eudoramail.com>...
> >romeo_cat wrote
> >>
> >> Just the ones that came before and after Rising Force :-) Probably
> >> Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
> >> Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
> >
> >Look, Romeo, just because you're in a mildly successful band
> >like Symphony X doesn't give you the right to put down the
> >great Yngwie Malmsteen. It's not like you were Edward Van
> >Halen or some other guitarist who was actually far better than
> >Yngwie.
> >
Unhalowed
This is the only Yngwie album that I was kind of disappointed with. It's good
but not half as good as the others.
CyberStrat
was a dull departure from Rising Force and Marching Out). Next comes FTA and
Magnum Opus, not necessarily in that order. I have to admit the "harder" songs
on FTA have grown on me, and I've been listening to it a lot lately. I
generally don't like Yngwie ballads as a rule (other than Don't Let it end),
especially the ones on FTA and Magnum Opus. I still don't have Alchemy as I'm
not going to pay extra for the "bonus" track, so I can't comment on it.
CyberStrat
Dr Jim Harper
Ever?"
Is there one?. I think Yngwie is Yngwie, however I favour his darker
stuff like Marching Out. Check out the pic of Yngwie there. He looked
like he was possessed
and he played like it too.
Dr Jim Harper
down because he favours writing songs which aren't guitar oriented. With Eddy I think it was
a case of "fuck, I don't have to prove this shit to anybody. I want to write songs"
regards,
Rob wrote:
> In article <3843C3A1...@sympatico.ca>, Karsten Johansson <ks...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >I think you *can* compare them. Yngwie can play Eddy, but Eddy can't play
> >Yngwie.
> >
> > Karsten Johansson
> > Crumbfish-not better guitarist than Eddy
>
> But Yngwie can't play Eddie authentically. Playing the same notes doesn't cut
> it. If that were true, then Paul Gilbert could play like anyone. Note wise, he
> can, feel & soul wise, he can't. Eddie in his prime was brilliant. Same with
> Yngwie. Now both are not so brilliant.
>
> >crumbfish wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:11:46 -0500, "Records"
> >> <elect...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Eddie Van Halen better than Yngwie?
> >> >???????????
> >> >TzarZaltan wrote in message <384189...@eudoramail.com>...
> >>
> >> I don't think you can compare the two. They are both excellent players
> >> in their own right. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and
> >> oranges.
> >>
> >> >>TzarZaltan-way better guitarist than Mike Romeo
> >> >>http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/3787
> >> >>
> >> >
AxePlyr
dictates a little reason here. If you compare guitar players by technical
prowess alone, the the guitarist Michaelangelo is better than Yngwie, Vai,
and the like. And it also means that Yngwie is better than Hendrix,
Clapton, SRV, etc. 1st of all, Michaelangelo is a machine - no feeling, no
heart - but an overabundance of sterile technique. But personally, though I
like Yngwie, I consider every one of those guitarists listed above better
musicians, if not guitarists, than Yngwie. Why? They write SONGS, not
single-keyed exercises.
And besides, Eddie is far more an innovator than Yngwie dreamed of being.
Play Yngwie for classical music fans, they've all heard his licks before.
John F.
Dr Jim Harper <jim_h...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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AxePlyr
dictates a little reason here. If you compare guitar players by technical
prowess alone, the the guitarist Michaelangelo is better than Yngwie, Vai,
and the like. And it also means that Yngwie is better than Hendrix,
Clapton, SRV, etc. 1st of all, Michaelangelo is a machine - no feeling, no
heart - but an overabundance of sterile technique. But personally, though I
like Yngwie, I consider every one of those guitarists listed above better
musicians, if not guitarists, than Yngwie. Why? They write SONGS, not
single-keyed exercises.
And besides, Eddie is far more an innovator than Yngwie dreamed of being.
Play Yngwie for classical music fans, they've all heard his licks before.
John F.
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John Sheehy
"AxePlyr" <JFLU...@mmcable.com> wrote :
>And besides, Eddie is far more an innovator than Yngwie dreamed of being.
>Play Yngwie for classical music fans, they've all heard his licks before.
Even moreso with classical *musicians*. They play his licks as
exercises.
--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<>
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><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
AT
The one you buy and take home...
Dr Jim Harper
when I was younger.
AxePlyr wrote:
> Yeah, I used to compare guitar players that way too. Unfortunately, wisdom
> dictates a little reason here. If you compare guitar players by technical
> prowess alone, the the guitarist Michaelangelo is better than Yngwie, Vai,
> and the like. And it also means that Yngwie is better than Hendrix,
> Clapton, SRV, etc. 1st of all, Michaelangelo is a machine - no feeling, no
> heart - but an overabundance of sterile technique. But personally, though I
> like Yngwie, I consider every one of those guitarists listed above better
> musicians, if not guitarists, than Yngwie. Why? They write SONGS, not
> single-keyed exercises.
>
> And besides, Eddie is far more an innovator than Yngwie dreamed of being.
> Play Yngwie for classical music fans, they've all heard his licks before.
>
> John F.
>
> Dr Jim Harper <jim_h...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
Dr Jim Harper
has reached a point where I know jazz players who think rock is at a deadly
state. Thanks to Malmsteem, VH, M Schenker(another very underrated guitarist)
and Blackmore etc rock has gone beyond the 5 note pentatonic BS which used
copiously by guitarists in the late 60's and 70's, and thanks to these players
we can use things like sweeps, taps, legatos etc to extend the possiblities.
zeb wrote:
> I'm not a jazzer, but there are Jazz guitarists who piss all over the
> best rock players...
> If technical excellence is what you're after.
>
> Records wrote:
> >
> > Eddie Van Halen better than Yngwie?
> > ???????????
> > TzarZaltan wrote in message <384189...@eudoramail.com>...
> > >romeo_cat wrote
> > >>
> > >> Just the ones that came before and after Rising Force :-) Probably
> > >> Odesey and everything that came after it, but I gave up on him after
> > >> Eclipse, and that Video. Not a teaching video, a concert video.
> > >
> > >Look, Romeo, just because you're in a mildly successful band
> > >like Symphony X doesn't give you the right to put down the
> > >great Yngwie Malmsteen. It's not like you were Edward Van
> > >Halen or some other guitarist who was actually far better than
> > >Yngwie.
> > >
Crumbfish
<jim_h...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>Eddies a songwriter as opposed to being just "a guitarist". It is very unfair to put the guy
>down because he favours writing songs which aren't guitar oriented. With Eddy I think it was
>a case of "fuck, I don't have to prove this shit to anybody. I want to write songs"
>
>regards,
>
>Rob wrote:
>
This is my view on it. Just because you do not particularly care for a
players' style, does not make that player a bad player. I like Mr
VanHalen much more than the Yngster. Sorry. And this shit that Yngwie
can play VanHalen but Vanhalen can't play Yngwie is a crock of shit.
Both are excellent players neither is better than the other. If you
compare the two to ice skaters, I liken Yngwie to the olympic figure
skater, Mr VanHalen, on the other hand, I compare to a world-class
hockey player. Both are great on the ice, but I like to see someone,
on occasion, take a stick or skate blade across the face. Now
that's my kind of playing ;-). And, as far as tone goes, I've never
heard a tone which was more aggressive or fatter than Eddie's on VH1
and VH2. ahhhh the brown sound !
Merlin
>>
>>
>>
>>BYE, BYE.
>>
--
Merlin
JMS
Merlin <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:iM9QLLA4...@duplicate.demon.co.uk...
Erik Johansson
Merlin <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> skrev i
diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:iM9QLLA4...@duplicate.demon.co.uk...
DonJoe
>Yngwie's playing is fast, and clean, but very simple.
>--
>
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<>
> John P Sheehy <jsh...@ix.netcom.com>
> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
Simple? Well I can understand if someone doesn't like Yngwie, that would be
a matter of taste, but Yngwie, even to this day is the most technically
profecient guitaristout there. I can handle hearing "he doesn't play with
soul or feeling," but I think the only players that made an impact as hard
as he did about the way metal guitar is approached is EVH and J. Hendrix.
The fist five years or so after Rising force, he was on so many guitar
magazines it was unreal. Kids had already mastered Eddie's licks, but when
he came along, he made guitar players' jaws hit the floor. He created his
own genre and many, many people tried, and are trying to follow in his
footsteps.
Bryant
~*MojoBlues*~
great player, terrible songs
Rob
"Merlin" <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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geo...@my-deja.com
Merlin <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>"MARCHING OUT" with out a doubt.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>BYE, BYE.
> >>
> --
> Merlin
agree with you. As for me, ..."NOT!". "Marching Out" is one of his
best recordings in my opinion. Not sorry, no approval seeking
here...bye, bye...
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
geo...@my-deja.com
"JMS" <see...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> are you suggesting he has ever had a good one? opinions,
opinions...it's obvious that you people spend more time shredding on
the internet than on the guitar...hence the ignorant opinions and less
risk of error on an instrument expressing yourself...well, lets see you
take Malmsteen's shit ...ouch...sorry, to your ego...keep typing, and
stay in safe grounds? Less risk of someone waysting money on your lame
cd's....ha...ha...
>
> Merlin <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:iM9QLLA4...@duplicate.demon.co.uk...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>BYE, BYE.
> > >>
> > --
> > Merlin
>
>
geo...@my-deja.com
"Erik Johansson" <eri...@musiker.nu> wrote:
> ALL of them?hmmm..."Johansson" kind of rings a bell, seems to me one
of Malmsteens keyboard players last name? Grudge, jealousy or whatever,
Malmsteen, in my opinion has accomplished more than you opinionated
clowns will ever achieve in your lifetimes and I'll rest easy knowing
this...cheers.
>
> Merlin <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> skrev i
> diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:iM9QLLA4...@duplicate.demon.co.uk...
geo...@my-deja.com
at7...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >Re: Worst Yngwie Malmsteen Album Ever?
>
> The one you buy and take home...
accomplishment on the instrument? Nirvana?...heh...heh...
geo...@my-deja.com
John Sheehy <jsh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> In message <djd34.21335$H8.5...@typhoon2.kc.rr.com>,
> "AxePlyr" <JFLU...@mmcable.com> wrote :
>
being.
> >Play Yngwie for classical music fans, they've all heard his licks
before.
>
> exercises.
understand what improvisation on an instrument really is about.
"Classical" stuffed shirts couldn't do what Malmsteen does either (just
like yourself). Just goes to show from your posting how ignorant you
really sound and how little you know. Last I heard Malmsteen had a
record number of cd sales across the world. Shows how little yours is,
doesn't it?
>
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<>
> John P Sheehy <jsh...@ix.netcom.com>
geo...@my-deja.com
"Records" <elect...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Odyssey- just because how it sounds POP singer in HardRock/HM band??
> I disagree, and just because Malmsteen did some great guitar work
especially on "Faster than the speed of light" on that one. That song
made the whole cd a great find for me. I really don't give a shit if
anyone on this news group (which should be renamed to "opinion" group
since there is no information or news) agrees with me or not. numbers
of people agreeing with me means shit to me. I'm my own man, just like
Yngwie, cheers...
> Jarl Sigurd wrote in message ...
> >Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> >Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
> >
> >Jarl Sigurd
> >
> >To listen to a symphony composed and performed on midi guitar
> >visit: http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/4085
> >
> >
>
>
geo...@my-deja.com
"Ni...@LindleyN.freeserve.co.uk" <Ni...@lindleyn.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Jarl Sigurd wrote in message ...
> >Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> >Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
>
on
> their but generally, it's a below par album.
>
> ~ Nick Lindley ~
>
> 'The soil of a man's heart is stonier'
> I'd say you're "fulla shit" mr. philosopher...try playin' the guitar
like Malmsteen did on Magnum Opus and find time to still voice an
opinion on this news group. I don't think so...easier to be the
philosopher I guess? You have plenty of time...yawn...
Nick Lindley
LOL! You have issues.
--
Nick Lindley
'Like the sky
I'm perpetual, I'll never die'
Tonefactor
John Sheehy
geo...@my-deja.com wrote :
>In article <384d8558...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>,
> at7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >Re: Worst Yngwie Malmsteen Album Ever?
>>
>> The one you buy and take home...
>> Obviously, you did. Who did you decide was within your reach of
>accomplishment on the instrument? Nirvana?...heh...heh...
The *speed* of Nirvana is easier to approach, but I don't think it
really all that easy to play Kurt's guitar parts exactly as he did. His
nervous system modulates the sound with a rather complex fractal noise.
John Sheehy
geo...@my-deja.com wrote :
>Grudge, jealousy or whatever,
>Malmsteen, in my opinion has accomplished more than you opinionated
>clowns will ever achieve in your lifetimes and I'll rest easy knowing
>this...cheers.
So have the Backstreet Boys, and Menudo.
Monster truck guitar, and about as cerebral.
Diophantus
>In message <839rlb$8b2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>geo...@my-deja.com wrote :
>
>>Grudge, jealousy or whatever,
>>Malmsteen, in my opinion has accomplished more than you opinionated
>>clowns will ever achieve in your lifetimes and I'll rest easy knowing
>>this...cheers.
>
>So have the Backstreet Boys, and Menudo.
Yes, which is probably why they aren't hanging out on newsgroups dissing
this or that artist. ;)
I think that the Backstreet Boys have some talent. Obviously not in unlimited
supply, but some. People who diss these guys are probably just jealous of
their teenage groupies.
Diophantus
>In message <839s92$8nu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>geo...@my-deja.com wrote :
>
>>In article <384d8558...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>,
>> at7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> >Re: Worst Yngwie Malmsteen Album Ever?
>>>
>>> The one you buy and take home...
>>> Obviously, you did. Who did you decide was within your reach of
>>accomplishment on the instrument? Nirvana?...heh...heh...
>
>The *speed* of Nirvana is easier to approach, but I don't think it
>really all that easy to play Kurt's guitar parts exactly as he did. His
>nervous system modulates the sound with a rather complex fractal noise.
>Yngwie's playing is fast, and clean, but very simple.
I don't think that it's all that easy to play the parts of either of these
players exactly. Yngwie's playing is not always fast. It has a definite style,
a sort of signature. It's in the phrases, bends, vibrato, or whatever.
Anyway, inimitability isn't any kind of big virtue on its own. You probably
couldn't talk in such a way that you would be mistaken for a five year old, not
to mention a specific five year old kid. That doesn't mean you aspire to be a
five year old.
I think that it's next to impossible for a human being to spend a significant
time learning to play some instrument without developing some kind of unique
signature. This is true even in highly disciplined music. You can listen to
two baroque performers play the same piece and it's radically different; even
on instruments on which the player isn't directly involved in producing the
tone, and there is no vibrato---e.g. the harpsichord.
Yngwie-...@webtv.net
Matt Keefer
nothing about anybody on these newsgroups. The lawyer who'll probably have
to bail your sore ass out of court for saying something slanderous might be
one of the people you just insulted. Treating people fairly costs nothing
and earns you more points than calling people jealous, grudging, and
useless. Think about it.
Matt Keefer
> > ALL of them?hmmm..."Johansson" kind of rings a bell, seems to me one
> of Malmsteens keyboard players last name? Grudge, jealousy or whatever,
> Malmsteen, in my opinion has accomplished more than you opinionated
> clowns will ever achieve in your lifetimes and I'll rest easy knowing
> this...cheers.
> >
> > Merlin <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> skrev i
> > diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:iM9QLLA4...@duplicate.demon.co.uk...
> > > >>"MARCHING OUT" with out a doubt.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>BYE, BYE.
> > > >>
> > > --
> > > Merlin
> >
> >
>
>
Karsten Johansson
I hope someone rattles your cage with something else soon so your record
will stop skipping. ;)
Karsten Johansson
geo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <81rb8j$du7$5...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Ni...@LindleyN.freeserve.co.uk" <Ni...@lindleyn.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Jarl Sigurd wrote in message ...
> > >Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
> > >Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
> >
> > Neither of those, IMO. I'd go with Magnum Opus. Couple of good tracks
> on
> > their but generally, it's a below par album.
> >
> > ~ Nick Lindley ~
> >
> > 'The soil of a man's heart is stonier'
> > I'd say you're "fulla shit" mr. philosopher...try playin' the guitar
> like Malmsteen did on Magnum Opus and find time to still voice an
> opinion on this news group. I don't think so...easier to be the
> philosopher I guess? You have plenty of time...yawn...
> >
>
Karsten Johansson
time.
I can't see much similarity between anything on Rising Force, on
Odyssey, on
Fire And Ice, on Facing The Animal, or on Millenium. They all sound
totally
different from each other (except the solos, which are all pretty well
the
same...)
Karsten Johansson
Karsten Johansson
Don't forget one of Yngwie's drummer's, too... We're all over the place,
man!
Karsten Johansson
The Other Swedish Johansson
geo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <k2u54.23$W33...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
> "Erik Johansson" <eri...@musiker.nu> wrote:
Karsten Johansson
you've stated
however. ;)
Karsten Johansson
Dan wrote:
> but Yngwie, even to this day is the most technically profecient
> guitaristout there.
>
> Technically proficient sure, in one scale!!!
> He doesn't stack up when compared to musicians who understand and can
> properly use a variety of scales & styles...
>
> Dan
Hilton
had ignored it long enough, so it's time to chime in. I can't imagine where
some people get off throwing insults around about the opinions and music
preferences of others. I guess some ignoramuses figure that riducule is
effective argumentation. So... have you changed your stinkin' opinion yet?
Well...?
I thought not.
Cheers! ;-)
Andy
>> Jarl Sigurd wrote in message ...
>> >Yngwie Malmsteen has had his ups and downs in his recording career.
>> >Which would you say was his worst album ever? Eclipse? Fire and Ice?
Nick wrote:
>> Neither of those, IMO. I'd go with Magnum Opus. Couple of good tracks on
>> their but generally, it's a below par album.
>>
>> ~ Nick Lindley ~
>>
>> 'The soil of a man's heart is stonier'
Dan
Jon Van Wie
ears listen to Alan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane, Frank Gamboli, Steve Morse,
Scott Henderson just to mention a few. These men make Yngwie sound like he
doesn't know much about music. Not that Yngwie sucks, he's great. These
guy's have taken music to a higher place. Check them out and I'm sure you
will agree..... Jon
Karsten Johansson wrote in message <385AC5BB...@sympatico.ca>...
A Guy Called Tyketto
> Johansson rings a bell with me, too. ;)
>
> Don't forget one of Yngwie's drummer's, too... We're all over the place,
> man!
>
> Karsten Johansson
> The Other Swedish Johansson
You know.. I distinctly remember Jens Johannson (sp?) hanging
around this group (alt.guitar) quite a lot, about 6 years ago. I still
think he's around nowadays. Don't be surprised if you see a post from
him in the not-so-distant future. :)
BL.
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Ace Diamond
>
>(SNIP)
It's obvious John Sheehy can talk the talk, but can he
walk the walk? When do we get to hear some samples of
this so called expert playing guitar? You do play guitar,
don't you, John?
Ace
John Sheehy
Ace Diamond <Ace9...@hotmail.com> wrote :
>John Sheehy wrote:
>>(SNIP)
You don't have to play guitar to realize that Yngwie is all chops, a few
personal signatures, and very little musical imagination.
I never said that I can play as fast and as clean as Yngwie, and I never
said that he couldn't play. I'm just saying that the musical value of
what he does is very weak compared to the perfomance value.
But yes, I do play guitar, and no, I'm not going to give you clips right
now. If and when I do, it won't be in response to a challenge.
Shane
"Jon Van Wie" <jbva...@cyber-quest.com> wrote in message
news:xWU64.1131$QU1....@newsfeed.slurp.net...
JNugent
>"Jon Van Wie" <jbva...@cyber-quest.com> wrote:
>> If you guys want to hear some guitar playing that will really open up
your
>> ears listen to Alan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane, Frank Gamboli, Steve Morse,
>> Scott Henderson just to mention a few. These men make Yngwie sound like
he
>> doesn't know much about music. Not that Yngwie sucks, he's great. These
>> guy's have taken music to a higher place. Check them out and I'm sure you
>> will agree..... Jon
>You forgot Dennis Boudemier<sp?> pronounced Boo di meer
It's "Budimir", pronounced as you indicated.
Diophantus
>In message <385D17...@hotmail.com>,
>Ace Diamond <Ace9...@hotmail.com> wrote :
>
>>John Sheehy wrote:
>
>>>(SNIP)
>
>>It's obvious John Sheehy can talk the talk, but can he
>>walk the walk? When do we get to hear some samples of
>>this so called expert playing guitar? You do play guitar,
>>don't you, John?
>
>You don't have to play guitar to realize that Yngwie is all chops, a few
>personal signatures, and very little musical imagination.
>
>I never said that I can play as fast and as clean as Yngwie, and I never
>said that he couldn't play. I'm just saying that the musical value of
>what he does is very weak compared to the perfomance value.
You know, that's not unlike someone saying that equal temperament is shit. ;)
Anyway, how do you define musical value?
Performance value is worth something too; I think that Malmsteen fans dig that.
He has a gung ho, over the top approach to playing that appeals to some people.
(I mean doh, this is metal!)
In making up music, Malmsteen uses ancient musical devices that work. So do
countless of other musicians. Nevertheless, there is basic originality there.
There isn't another song that sounds exactly like I'm a Viking, for instance.
For the majority of rock songs out there, you can't say that.
Diophantus
wrote:
>If you guys want to hear some guitar playing that will really open up your
>ears listen to Alan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane, Frank Gamboli, Steve Morse,
>Scott Henderson just to mention a few. These men make Yngwie sound like he
>doesn't know much about music. Not that Yngwie sucks, he's great. These
>guy's have taken music to a higher place. Check them out and I'm sure you
>will agree..... Jon
I find I get bored with Steve Morse. I don't know why, because the guy is
obviously great! Frank Gambale? Forget it. I borrowed an album of his from
someone years ago. Listened to it once, gave it back, never gave him a second
thought. I did see him live with Chick Corea.
Dunno. These guys just don't have the killer attitude. Composition ability an
technical aptitude aside, Yngwie can blow these nice guy noodlers away with
just one note.
I'd rather listen to 24 hours of non stop Helloween, than Gambale.
theMan
> He doesn't stack up when compared to musicians who understand and can
> properly use a variety of scales & styles...
>
> Dan
Why turn music into math? When I listen to music I get into different
moods. Whatever mood it may be, I don't over analyze it (I prefer not to
analyze it at all). I just ENJOY. I've got a friend who plays the bass, he
thinks it is all technical and has never really learnt to play at all! In
fact, he sucks ( playing, that is ) It doesn't matter what you listen to, if
you enjoy it, ROCK ON: Who cares?
Lalle (listens to everything inbetween Bob Marley and death metal )
Merry christmas earthbeeings
Callum Urquhart
<jco...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>all of them! haha
>great player, terrible songs
>
>Rob
>
>"Merlin" <marty...@duplicate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:iM9QLLA4...@duplicate.demon.co.uk...
>> >>"MARCHING OUT" with out a doubt.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>BYE, BYE.
>> >>
>> --
>> Merlin
>
Nah, Fire and Ice is the worst hes done.
-Teaser
John Sheehy
geo...@my-deja.com wrote, beginning on the last line of the post he was
replying to, sleep-prefacing his first line with a '>' quote character:
>In article <01bf4809$5ec38280$052021a6@wshillorins002>,
> "Tonefactor" <tonef...@aol.com> wrote:
>> All his albums sound the same to me.
>> Ok, fair enough. You've just defined yourself and what your hearing
>and listening abilities percieve in Malmsteens works. I just hope you
>didn't wayste your money on all his recordings before you came to this
>conclusion.
I don't have that problem. I can tell one Yngwie song from another.
The problem is, there are no surprises, and there is no depth. It
sounds a lot like what it would look like as sheet music passing by at
the same speed.
I like to give credit where credit is due; Yngwie obviously has put a
lot of time into what he does; he plays very cleanly at high speed; he
has a trademark sound, and a vibrato and tone, which taken in isolation,
sound quite nice, but his compositions and improvisations are STATIC,
and sound the best the first time you listen to them. I don't find any
hidden musical treasure in repeated listening.
geo...@my-deja.com
"Tonefactor" <tonef...@aol.com> wrote:
> All his albums sound the same to me.
> Ok, fair enough. You've just defined yourself and what your hearing
and listening abilities percieve in Malmsteens works. I just hope you
didn't wayste your money on all his recordings before you came to this
conclusion.
geo...@my-deja.com
danieli@spam_my_hairy_ass.ihug.co.nz (Dan) wrote:
> but Yngwie, even to this day is the most technically profecient
> guitaristout there.
>
> He doesn't stack up when compared to musicians who understand and can
> properly use a variety of scales & styles...
>
> Dan
letters outside if this in your message and it still defined your own
opinion (got your message across) to me. Could you have expressed your
opinion of Malmsteen any better had you more than 26 alphabet letters?
A 7 note scale times 12 major keys plus 12 minor (harmonic and melodic)
keys produce all the notes in our westernized musical system, anyway.
These notes in our 12 tone system make up any scale in existence used
in any style of westernized music. The important factor is in how to
use scale and chord structure in musical composition. Malmsteen is a
master in usage of this especially in his improvisational solos. Given
his usage and application of harmonic and melodic minor scaling in his
solos, I think he could play just about any style he wished to. You
have to know european style classical structure in music to extend into
forms such as american jazz since the advanced forms are originally
based from the building blocks of the classical style which Malmsteen
uses.