Igor Khoroshev's "Piano Works"
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Igor wants everyone know that the release of his "Piano
Works" CD (originally scheduled for 5/31) has been delayed due to some
extra time required for his work on the new Yes CD, as well as some
other unforeseen circumstances. He's putting the finishing touches on
it now and plans to release it before the upcoming Yes tour.
Thanks,
John A.
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> For those wondering -
>
> Igor wants everyone know that the release of his "Piano
> Works" CD (originally scheduled for 5/31) has been delayed due to some
> extra time required for his work on the new Yes CD, as well as some
> other unforeseen circumstances. He's putting the finishing touches on
> it now and plans to release it before the upcoming Yes tour.
>
> Thanks,
> John A.
> Yeshoo!
I was just wondering about that. That would be neat if they sold it with
the tour merchandise.
John
Richard Handel
yes...@yahoo.com wrote in message <7j934h$j37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>For those wondering -
>
>Igor wants everyone know that the release of his "Piano
>Works" CD (originally scheduled for 5/31) has been delayed due to some
>extra time required for his work on the new Yes CD, as well as some
>other unforeseen circumstances. He's putting the finishing touches on
>it now and plans to release it before the upcoming Yes tour.
>
>Thanks,
>John A.
>Yeshoo!
>
I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than Wakeman's
latest.
Rick
John J Troutman
> yes...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > For those wondering -
> >
> > Igor wants everyone know that the release of his "Piano
> > Works" CD (originally scheduled for 5/31) has been delayed due to some
> > extra time required for his work on the new Yes CD, as well as some
> > other unforeseen circumstances. He's putting the finishing touches on
> > it now and plans to release it before the upcoming Yes tour.
>
> I was just wondering about that. That would be neat if they sold it with
> the tour merchandise.
>
Agreed. It would be neater still if Igor could incorporate parts of it into
his solo spot during Yes gigs.
Jeff Troutman
NP: Cardinal - s/t
JimmerG007
Khoroshev reminds me in sound of Patrick Moraz, very jazzy, very energetic...I
love Rick Wakeman a lot, he is my all time fave yes key player, but I will keep
my eye on Igor.
Adam
JimmerG007 wrote:
Yeah, I agree, man. Igor seems to have all the right chops in all the right places
as well as probably the best ear in the band.
Adam
Nic Caciappo
> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than Wakeman's
> latest.
Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
"interesting".
Nic
froy
Nic Caciappo wrote in message <376096...@earthlink.net>...
>Richard Handel wrote:
>
>> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than Wakeman's
>> latest.
Than you must live in a cave because Ricks latest is a masterpiece something
Igor would never come close too. You probably don't even have RTTTCOTE do
you?
>
>Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
>"interesting".
It's a bater .
>
>Nic
>
David Westbay
>
>
>Nic Caciappo wrote in message <376096...@earthlink.net>...
>>Richard Handel wrote:
>>
>>> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than
Wakeman's
>>> latest.
>
>Than you must live in a cave because Ricks latest is a masterpiece
*exaggeration mode on*
Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it. Wanna-
be AOR songs that will never get any airplay, and pseudo-Verne narration
that is barely made palatable by the considerable talents of Patrick
Stewart, who is the best thing about the album.
>something
>Igor would never come close too.
You're right - Igor's new album will probably pass RTTCOTE like it was
standing still, musically anyway. He probably isn't well known enough to
sell more, at least not yet.
> You probably don't even have RTTTCOTE do
>you?
*I* do, and my opinion as stated above stands.
*exaggeration mode off*
>>
>>Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
>>"interesting".
>
>It's a bater .
Huh? I can't even figure out if this is a typo or just some weird term
that you came up with on your own, froy. Help me out here.
OK, now that I have vented all of that, let me say that IMO, RTTCOTE
isn't the big ol' turd that some have called it, but neither is it the
greatest CD released in the last 15 years as others have called it. It's
just kinda *ordinary* to me. Nothing special. It's too bad, too, because
Rick is a talented person and a great guy, who deserves a lot of success.
I'm sorry that Return is not turning out to be the big winner that I'm
sure he and EMI (and even I) expected or hoped it would be.
I'm looking forward to the tour with Emerson next year, and I still think
they should get Moraz as the opening act!
Dave Westbay
Nic Caciappo
> Yeah, I agree, man. Igor seems to have all the right chops in all the right places
> as well as probably the best ear in the band.
You just might be right! BUT, I find it strange that some people here
would base their findings on a concert tour and a cameo appearance on
OYE. There are a lot of great "prog" keyboardists these days. But
there's still only one Rick Wakeman, like there's only one Emerson or
Moraz. That's not a slam on the new fellow Igor, he is talented. But
this talk of one that's better than the other is really lame..... what's
the purpose? Go ahead and praise the new guy, but respect the legend
too.
Nic
froy
David Westbay wrote in message
<7jrg7n$1j8e$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Nic Caciappo wrote in message <376096...@earthlink.net>...
>>>Richard Handel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than
>Wakeman's
>>>> latest.
>>
>>Than you must live in a cave because Ricks latest is a masterpiece
>
>*exaggeration mode on*
>
>Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it.
The only flaw in this cd is the Bonny Tyler track and the rest pleasing to
the ear.
Wanna-
>be AOR songs that will never get any airplay,
Which means what ?
and pseudo-Verne narration
>that is barely made palatable by the considerable talents of Patrick
>Stewart, who is the best thing about the album.
Next to the Ozzy track and the uplifting keyboard work of Rick Wakeman .
>
>>something
>>Igor would never come close too.
>
>You're right - Igor's new album will probably pass RTTCOTE like it was
>standing still, musically anyway.
Probably Not but wishfull thinking.
He probably isn't well known enough to
>sell more, at least not yet.
Not never so don't worry .
>
>> You probably don't even have RTTTCOTE do
>>you?
>
>*I* do, and my opinion as stated above stands.
>
>*exaggeration mode off*
So you were the one who was exaggerating , I knew it.
>
>>>
>>>Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
>>>"interesting".
>>
>>It's a bater .
>
>Huh? I can't even figure out if this is a typo or just some weird term
>that you came up with on your own, froy. Help me out here.
The post was bate , Comprendo.
>
>OK, now that I have vented all of that, let me say that IMO, RTTCOTE
>isn't the big ol' turd that some have called it, but neither is it the
>greatest CD released in the last 15 years as others have called it. It's
>just kinda *ordinary* to me. Nothing special. It's too bad, too, because
>Rick is a talented person and a great guy, who deserves a lot of success.
>I'm sorry that Return is not turning out to be the big winner that I'm
>sure he and EMI (and even I) expected or hoped it would be.
He needs to put it on the road to make it work case closed.
Peter Smith
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Richard Handel
David Westbay wrote in message
<7jrg7n$1j8e$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Nic Caciappo wrote in message <376096...@earthlink.net>...
>>>Richard Handel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than
>Wakeman's
>>>> latest.
>>
>>Than you must live in a cave because Ricks latest is a masterpiece
>
>*exaggeration mode on*
>
>be AOR songs that will never get any airplay, and pseudo-Verne narration
>that is barely made palatable by the considerable talents of Patrick
>Stewart, who is the best thing about the album.
Thank you!!!
>>something
>>Igor would never come close too.
>
>You're right - Igor's new album will probably pass RTTCOTE like it was
>standing still, musically anyway. He probably isn't well known enough to
>sell more, at least not yet.
>
>> You probably don't even have RTTTCOTE do
>>you?
>
>*I* do, and my opinion as stated above stands.
I own it too. It makes a good frisbee. I'd much rather listen to Union
(and god forbid even Talk or BG) than this snoozer.
Rick
Richard Handel
froy wrote in message <_td83.371$el4....@ord-read.news.verio.net>...
>
>David Westbay wrote in message
><7jrg7n$1j8e$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Nic Caciappo wrote in message <376096...@earthlink.net>...
>>>>Richard Handel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than
>>Wakeman's
>>>>> latest.
>>>
>>>Than you must live in a cave because Ricks latest is a masterpiece
>>
>>*exaggeration mode on*
>>
>>Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it.
.
>The only flaw in this cd is the Bonny Tyler track and the rest pleasing to
>the ear.
Ozzy's out of tune whining hasn't been pleasing to my ears since I was 15.
Rick
Nic Caciappo
> Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it.
I dunno... I think putting Ozzy with the London Symphony Orchestra
playing heavy metal riffs is a fairy original idea, since it's never
been done before.
Wanna-
> be AOR songs that will never get any airplay,
Of course it wouldn't get any AOR airplay, since the format is basically
dead except on low rated major market frequencies. I don't think that it
would get any airplay on AOR stations even during the peak of the
format, because AOR has always been about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Pat
Benatar, Ratt, Winger, Warrant, Night Ranger, Van Halen.... you know the
stuff, I know you do. Can you even imagine Yes with this lot?
and pseudo-Verne narration
> that is barely made palatable by the considerable talents of Patrick
> Stewart, who is the best thing about the album.
"Pseudo-Verne?" It's Patrick Stewart, he doesn't need to be "pseudo".
But you seem to contradict yourself by saying he's the best thing on the
album.
> You're right - Igor's new album will probably pass RTTCOTE like it was
> standing still, musically anyway. He probably isn't well known enough to
> sell more, at least not yet.
What's the point of this? It's like comparing the beauty of a blonde vs.
a brunette, or the beauty of Raquel Welch vs. her daughter Tawny. Give
it a rest....
> OK, now that I have vented all of that, let me say that IMO, RTTCOTE
> isn't the big ol' turd that some have called it,
Would *you* make your mind up please. It's music on a CD. Either you
like it or you don't. Like I don't like OYE, BigG, 90125... still good
songs, just don't like 'em.
but neither is it the
> greatest CD released in the last 15 years as others have called it.
I haven't seen that. Boy would I like to. Many of the Wakeman fans on
the Wakeman List have been over the moon about it. I thinbk it's fair to
say it is one of the best albums by a prog artist in 15 years, maybe 20.
I also think it's the best thing Rick has done in years, as many feel
the same way too.
It's
> just kinda *ordinary* to me. Nothing special.
Well, maybe you're an ordinary kinda guy..... Perhaps OYE would suit you
better.
It's too bad, too, because
> Rick is a talented person and a great guy, who deserves a lot of success.
Too bad? Rick's success is rolling forward again. Major label deal, with
continued interest from EMI, big name talent rallying around him like
Ozzy and Patrick Stewart, and now a project in the works with Emerson.
Nothing too bad about that.
> I'm sorry that Return is not turning out to be the big winner that I'm
> sure he and EMI (and even I) expected or hoped it would be.
EMI are very happy with the results. They still believe in Rick, they
also want more. So, don't be sorry. Just play OYE if you want sorry.
> I'm looking forward to the tour with Emerson next year, and I still think
> they should get Moraz as the opening act!
No more comment than that defines the accuracy of your comments above. I
would do cartwheels to have Moraz back in Yes. But to have him open for
a Emerson/Wakeman project would be like the unemployment line for former
prog group keyboardists. The Emerson/Wakeman project could wind up as
the jewel of the last two decades of prog letdowns. As long as they
actually play and not have orchestras and guests vocalists ruin the
opportunity. When Rick gets home next week I'm going to say just that!
Nic
Henry Potts
>Adam wrote
>> Yeah, I agree, man. Igor seems to have all the right chops in all the
>> right places as well as probably the best ear in the band.
>
>You just might be right! BUT, I find it strange that some people here
>would base their findings on a concert tour and a cameo appearance on
I rather agree with that sentiment, but I am also very impressed with
Khoroshev's work on two tracks of _Encores, Legends and Paradox_, the
ELP tribute album, and with the sound samples available on the web. I
look forward to hearing more.
--
Henry
RDubnicka
>Of course it wouldn't get any AOR airplay, since the format is basically
>dead except on low rated major market frequencies. I don't think that it
>would get any airplay on AOR stations even during the peak of the
>format, because AOR has always been about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Pat
>Benatar, Ratt, Winger, Warrant, Night Ranger, Van Halen.... you know the
>stuff, I know you do. Can you even imagine Yes with this lot?
>
Here in Richmond, they have what is called "Innsbrook After Hours". Every
Wednesday, a concert, right across the lake from my office, for $5.00.
Pat Benatar will be there the first Wednesday in July. I already missed
Southside Johny, so I don't want to miss Pat.
If Yes were to come around in late August, rest assured I'd be volunteering to
set up the stage. Hell, I'd stand off-stage and hold Squire's drink!
As far as the rest of 'em - well VH is the only one I would want to pay to see,
and free tickets couldn't get me into the rest.
I have to admit to fantasizing about a Yes "Innsbrook After Hours" since they
probably haven't ever toured in Richmond. We all can dream, can't we?
SbKhatru
be released until its ready! Igor is rather good & I like his style. Kinda a
jazzy classical mix.
Rick, you still lost in the center of the earth somewhere. (Did I say that?)
ELVIS1999
<nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
>"interesting".
Hell - it's got you masturbating in the back of that CD shop, no?
ELVIS1999
<nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I dunno... I think putting Ozzy with the London Symphony Orchestra
>playing heavy metal riffs is a fairy original idea, since it's never
>been done before.
.... for obvious reasons, Nic.
>format, because AOR has always been about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Pat
>Benatar, Ratt, Winger, Warrant, Night Ranger, Van Halen.... you know the
>stuff, I know you do. Can you even imagine Yes with this lot?
And, um, Ozzy?
ELVIS1999
<he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
>I rather agree with that sentiment, but I am also very impressed with
>Khoroshev's work on two tracks of _Encores, Legends and Paradox_, the
>ELP tribute album, and with the sound samples available on the web. I
>look forward to hearing more.
Oh c'mon Henry - you are assuming Nic has even bothered with this one.
Henry Potts
>David Westbay wrote
>> Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it.
>
>playing heavy metal riffs is a fairy original idea, since it's never
>been done before.
Having orchestras play rock music has been done frequently since the
late '60s and early '70s (e.g. Deep Purple, The Moody Blues, Yes,
Caravan, Pink Floyd). Rick did it himself enough in the '70s.
>> [...] pseudo-Verne narration that is barely made palatable by the
>> considerable talents of Patrick Stewart, who is the best thing about
>> the album.
>
>"Pseudo-Verne?" It's Patrick Stewart, he doesn't need to be "pseudo".
>But you seem to contradict yourself by saying he's the best thing on the
>album.
I take it David is commenting on Wakeman's new story, which is a
simplistic re-working of Verne's original.
>> but neither is it the greatest CD released in the last 15 years as
>> others have called it.
>
>I haven't seen that. Boy would I like to. Many of the Wakeman fans on
>the Wakeman List have been over the moon about it. I thinbk it's fair to
>say it is one of the best albums by a prog artist in 15 years, maybe 20.
LOL. You're entitled to your opinion, Nic, but I don't think it's even
one of the best albums by a prog artist *this* year, let alone in the
last 15 or 20 years.
>I also think it's the best thing Rick has done in years, as many feel
>the same way too.
YMMV, but I think Rick's done much better in the last 20 years: _Soft
Sword_, _Classical Connection 2_, _ABWH_, _Keys to Ascension 2_, _Time
Machine_, _1984_...
>> [...] It's too bad, too, because Rick is a talented person and a
>> great guy, who deserves a lot of success.
>
>Too bad? Rick's success is rolling forward again. Major label deal, with
>continued interest from EMI,
_Return..._ sold much worse than the hype predicted. Failing to even
chart in the US must have been very disappointing to EMI Classics and
the lack of any live performances so far seems an immediate result of
poor sales. I don't think sales are necessarily an indicator of quality,
but sales are what EMI care about.
>big name talent rallying around him like Ozzy [...]
Ozzy's long been friends with Wakeman and Stewart had little to lose.
>> I'm sorry that Return is not turning out to be the big winner that I'm
>> sure he and EMI (and even I) expected or hoped it would be.
>
>EMI are very happy with the results. They still believe in Rick, they
>also want more.
I don't believe EMI are "very happy". Were they very happy, they'd be
stumping up the money for live shows. They may be "content" and,
whatever they are, the rules of PR speak may require they claim to be
"very happy", but sales are clearly disappointing.
>So, don't be sorry. Just play OYE if you want sorry. [...]
I can't disagree with that.
--
Henry
NP: J o n A n d e r s o n , _ A n g e l s E m b r a c e _
Alan Jackson
RDubnicka <rdub...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990611230047...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
> Nic Caciappo <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Of course it wouldn't get any AOR airplay, since the format is basically
> >dead except on low rated major market frequencies. I don't think that it
> >would get any airplay on AOR stations even during the peak of the
> >format, because AOR has always been about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Pat
> >Benatar, Ratt, Winger, Warrant, Night Ranger, Van Halen.... you know the
> >stuff, I know you do. Can you even imagine Yes with this lot?
> >
>
> Here in Richmond, they have what is called "Innsbrook After Hours".
Every
> Wednesday, a concert, right across the lake from my office, for $5.00.
>
> Pat Benatar will be there the first Wednesday in July. I already missed
> Southside Johny, so I don't want to miss Pat.
>
> If Yes were to come around in late August, rest assured I'd be
volunteering to
> set up the stage. Hell, I'd stand off-stage and hold Squire's drink!
>
> As far as the rest of 'em - well VH is the only one I would want to pay
to see,
> and free tickets couldn't get me into the rest.
>
> I have to admit to fantasizing about a Yes "Innsbrook After Hours" since
they
> probably haven't ever toured in Richmond. We all can dream, can't we?
Ah, finally a fellow Richmonder on AMY. How are you R? I haven't been
able to catch any Innsbrook shows this summer, but Benatar is a
possibility, and Kansas is coming in late July.
Also, Yes did play at the Classic Ampitheater here in town back in 1994.
That was on the awful Talk tour, of course. The place holds about 12,000,
and I think Yes had about 4000 there(pitiful). I don't think they will be
coming back to our town on any future tours. The last time I saw them was
late 97 in Fairfax, where I had the honor of finally meeting and sharing a
brew with Mr. Sullivan.
Nic Caciappo
> I own it too. It makes a good frisbee. I'd much rather listen to Union
> (and god forbid even Talk or BG) than this snoozer.
Then do it. I think you're above comment settles it.....
Nic
Nic Caciappo
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:56:21 -0700, Nic Caciappo
> <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
> >"interesting".
>
> Hell - it's got you masturbating in the back of that CD shop, no?
You think of some weird stuff.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
I have the ELP CD Henry refers to. I think the CD is quite good, which
is saying something as I believe most "tribute" CD's suck. Igor is quite
good on this CD, but what really stands out for me is the guitar work by
Peter Banks. Igor on Bitches Brew is okay, that style of piano playing
gets old for me after a bit. If I want that I'll listen to Chick Corea
or Ellis Marsalis, which isn't too often. I guess I like "pretty" piano,
which is why I prefer songs like "Take a Pebble" by ELP. Igor's best
work I've ever heard in his short repertoire is actually on this CD in
the track "The Barbarian" in the trio form as B-K-P, Robert Berry and
Simon Phillips with Igor, a nice combination. The synth run at the very
end (oddly enough) is more Wakemanesque than Emerson. I'd love to hear
Igor inject this kind of prog keyboard playing in Yes's next album, but
Yes really hasn't had the kind of music for dynamic keyboards like that
in years, with exception of Mind Drive and That That Is. I hope he's
able to turn them in that direction.
I've not really knocked Igor here on this ng. He's a very talented
fellow and can only get better as he spends more time with the band. I
have said in the past however that his attempt at playing The Revealing
was weak, but his playing on Close to the Edge was excellent.
No, I've not heard the samples on the 'net you refer to. I don't have
good speakers on my computer nor do I want to have a first time
impression of any music from samples on the 'net.
This constant comparing of Wakeman to Igor has no point. It's sort of
like comparing the real Pamela Anderson with a look-a-like and trying to
choose which one is best, which is nutty if both are indeed lovely to
look at. Though I don't know him, I would have to believe that Igor
himself would think it unnessessary, just as long as you get your rocks
off- that's all that matters.
Nic
CountV
> This constant comparing of Wakeman to Igor has no point. It's sort of
> like comparing the real Pamela Anderson with a look-a-like and trying to
> choose which one is best, which is nutty if both are indeed lovely to
> look at. Though I don't know him, I would have to believe that Igor
> himself would think it unnessessary, just as long as you get your rocks
> off- that's all that matters.
Pamela Anderson is about as lovely to look at as Janet Reno. A bland, skinny
blonde with bolt-ons and invariably horrific make-up. Gimme Linsey Dawn
McKenzie any day.
That said, I think that your comments earlier about not wanting to judge
music of the Net is valid, but if you had better speakers, the MP3 samples
are quite good, it's not like that awful-sounding RA, which can only give
the vaguest hint as to what something actually sounds like. Not that that
stopped me from thinking that the Rabin track off of RttCotE was quite
disappointing.
You might want to try downloading Igor's MP3's and using headphones?
CountV
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Steven Sullivan
Nic Caciappo <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>ELVIS1999 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:37:43 +0100, Henry Potts
>> <he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
>>
>> >I rather agree with that sentiment, but I am also very impressed with
>> >Khoroshev's work on two tracks of _Encores, Legends and Paradox_, the
>> >ELP tribute album, and with the sound samples available on the web. I
>> >look forward to hearing more.
>>
>> Oh c'mon Henry - you are assuming Nic has even bothered with this one.
>
>I have the ELP CD Henry refers to. I think the CD is quite good, which
>is saying something as I believe most "tribute" CD's suck. Igor is quite
>good on this CD, but what really stands out for me is the guitar work by
>Peter Banks. Igor on Bitches Brew is okay,
Now *that*'s a CD I'd like to hear.
--
-S.
" Don't expect me to read you Sullivan. You frighten me and make me want to
vomit. I wish there were a way to imprison you for what you are doing, just as
Gabriel deserves to rot behind bars."
Henry Potts
>Henry Potts wrote
>>I rather agree with that sentiment, but I am also very impressed with
>>Khoroshev's work on two tracks of _Encores, Legends and Paradox_, the
>>ELP tribute album, and with the sound samples available on the web. I
>>look forward to hearing more.
>
>Oh c'mon Henry - you are assuming Nic has even bothered with this one.
Er... no, I'm not. I'm giving my opinion on an album I've heard. I don't
know whether Nic's heard it or not, but as he has a CD shop, he is in
the lucky position of getting to hear all kinds of stuff! There's no
hostility intended in my post, however much you seem to desire a flame
war.
--
Henry
NP: F l o r a P u r i m , _ T h e M i d n i g h t S u n _
Nic Caciappo
> Henry
> NP: F l o r a P u r i m , _ T h e M i d n i g h t S u n _
Now this is the MOST impressive "NP" I've ever seen from Henry or anyone
on a.m.y.! Flora is awesome!
Nic
Nic Caciappo
>
> In article <376294...@earthlink.net>,
> Nic Caciappo <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Igor is quite
> >good on this CD, but what really stands out for me is the guitar work by
> >Peter Banks. Igor on Bitches Brew is okay,
>
> Now *that*'s a CD I'd like to hear.
> -S.
Very good Steven! I guess this is what happens when you're in your 40's.
You think faster than you can type? Of course I meant Bitches Crystal.
But I'm dumbfounded that i even remotely thought of Bitches Brew. BUt it
does make me think I need to get a beer.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
> I take it David is commenting on Wakeman's new story, which is a
> simplistic re-working of Verne's original.
Nothing wrong with simplistic. Afterall, if Rick were a writer on par
with Verne then he probably wouldn't need to do new albums.
> LOL. You're entitled to your opinion, Nic, but I don't think it's even
> one of the best albums by a prog artist *this* year, let alone in the
> last 15 or 20 years.
Henry. With all due respect, how old were you 20 years ago? There hasn't
been much "prog" worth calling "prog" for the last 20 years. I've heard
all of the IQ CD's and the Spock's Beard. It's okay, not bad. My
favorite of the post 70's lot has been Marillion and later-Pendragon,
but that's about it. Oh, just thought of some Camel too. Ibelieve rick's
RttCotE is easily as good, so do a lot of other people who aren't quite
as intent to desert Rick like some here on a.m.y.
> YMMV, but I think Rick's done much better in the last 20 years: _Soft
> Sword_, _Classical Connection 2_, _ABWH_, _Keys to Ascension 2_, _Time
> Machine_, _1984_...
Well, that's funny. Because Soft Sword is a least favorite of mine. CC2
is okay, but it's just too demos' sounding for me. Time Machine is good,
but RttCotE is similar and better produced, same with 1984.
> _Return..._ sold much worse than the hype predicted. Failing to even
> chart in the US must have been very disappointing to EMI Classics and
> the lack of any live performances so far seems an immediate result of
> poor sales. I don't think sales are necessarily an indicator of quality,
> but sales are what EMI care about.
Yes, the sales were disappointing. But we live in a musical environment
that requires ALL of the elements to make a project work, and that does
include live performances along with TV appearances and radio exposure
through interviews, etc. Wakeman's illness totally derailed the whole
promo scheme and concert tour, it even delayed the completion and
release date and the premiere concert which was originally planned for
the exact date of the original "Journey" on January 18. The whole idea
was geared towards that. EMI understands all that.
> Ozzy's long been friends with Wakeman and Stewart had little to lose.
That's not bad. If you're Wakeman, you take them up on their kindness
and support.
> I don't believe EMI are "very happy". Were they very happy, they'd be
> stumping up the money for live shows.
Henry. Do you talk to the exec's at EMI that I do ? Of course they would
have been over the moon to have made millions off of this project, but
they knew there were circumstances surrounding the difficulty to present
this project properly. They absolutely loved the music on "Return". They
are pleased and happy. Believe it or not, they want more projects from
Rick.
They may be "content" and,
> whatever they are, the rules of PR speak may require they claim to be
> "very happy", but sales are clearly disappointing.
They aren't required to speak anything. If they think it's crap they
won't ask for more projects or more ideas. You've assumed something that
is off base and uninformed.
> >So, don't be sorry. Just play OYE if you want sorry. [...]
>
> I can't disagree with that.
Good.
Nic
ELVIS1999
Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
they are - and for that, I take issue.
He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
Jeff
NP: Yes (that first one)
ameliorated b
ELVIS1999 wrote in message <3764287...@news.mindspring.com>...
>Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>
>He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
He has every right to be down on Igor. He has not impressed me so far. I
will be open to see what he does on the new CD. If I must, I'll bite my
tongue.
b
Rob MTSD
>
>Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>they are - and for that, I take issue.
not to mention the implications re: those who don't agree with Nic.
>
>He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
I've come to call people like this; 'yesdirt whores'.
Rob Allen
NP: 10,000 Maniacs, _the earth pressed flat_
Rob MTSD
>>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>
>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>
what did Igor ever do to him?
>He has not impressed me so far.
Igor will have arrived, the day he impresses...b? LOL!
>I
>will be open to see what he does on the new CD. If I must, I'll bite my
>tongue.
catch something in your zipper, while you're at it...that would be pretty
funny...
ameliorated b
Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990613193612...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>"b" wrote:
>>
>>ELVIS1999 wrote in message <3764287...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>>Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>>>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>>
>>>He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>
>>He has every right to be down on Igor.
>
>what did Igor ever do to him?
Attempted to replace Wakeman.............not good...................not do.
>
>>He has not impressed me so far.
>
>Igor will have arrived, the day he impresses...b? LOL!
Indeed.
>
>>I
>>will be open to see what he does on the new CD. If I must, I'll bite my
>>tongue.
>
>catch something in your zipper, while you're at it...that would be pretty
>funny...
You dirty man, you. :)
b
Nic Caciappo
> >He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
> >an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>
> I've come to call people like this; 'yesdirt whores'.
And you're a YesPussy.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
>
> Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
> Yes.
Pardon me whoeveryouare, but I don't have a hatred for all things Yes. I
have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
the music was better then. It was *Yes*. The 80's, YesWest and OYE is
Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
to keep silent about it.
He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
> they are - and for that, I take issue.
Well, when someone says that "Yes lives what they play" then I act. When
Yes themselves say derogatory and false statements about Wakeman in the
media then I act. I don't care if you take issue with that.
> He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
> an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
I am not resentful about Igor howeveryouspellhislastname. He's doing a
gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with the
fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
stabbed Wakeman in the back. Igor is a fine player and I've given credit
where credit is due to him many times. But most people WOULD prefer to
see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist. I don't care what most
on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a good barometer for an opinion.
Most hear would buy anything Yes (group or solo) belches, like Jon's
EarthMotherEarth. The best baromoter are the people who supported Yes in
the 70's and are no longer interested in their attempts at
commercialism.
Nic
Steven Sullivan
Rob MTSD <rob...@aol.com> wrote:
>"b" wrote:
>>
>>ELVIS1999 wrote in message <3764287...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>>
>>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>
>
>what did Igor ever do to him?
>
>
>Igor will have arrived, the day he impresses...b? LOL!
>
>>will be open to see what he does on the new CD. If I must, I'll bite my
>>tongue.
>
>catch something in your zipper, while you're at it...that would be pretty
>funny...
..due to its improbability, surely.
Steven Sullivan
Rob MTSD <rob...@aol.com> wrote:
>no...@dontlikespam.org (ELVIS1999) wrote:
>>
>>Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>
>
>>
>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>
Is this what becomes of unicorn glitter babes?
ELVIS1999
<nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>ELVIS1999 wrote:
>Pardon me whoeveryouare, but I don't have a hatred for all things Yes. I
>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
>the music was better then. It was *Yes*. The 80's, YesWest and OYE is
>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>to keep silent about it.
That's fine. I don't have a problem with dislike for certain
periods of Yes music - certainly, Yes has been all over "YESTOR" in
terms of the quality of their music. But I don't personally *hate*
certain members of the band - and even if I did - I would keep my
mouth shut about it. Read some of your past comments re: Anderson,
Igor, and Squire. Hateful, dreadful stuff.
>
> He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>> they are - and for that, I take issue.
>
>Well, when someone says that "Yes lives what they play" then I act.
You could just ignore it? These guys are not Gods - they are human,
capable of the same sort of shit we all are. I don't hold *any* rock
star, musician, etc on a pedestal - and neither should you.
>When
>Yes themselves say derogatory and false statements about Wakeman in the
>media then I act. I don't care if you take issue with that.
You take your defense of Rick this to an extreme, Nic. If I were Rick
- I would have you gagged. No need for self-appointed PR agent
fan-boys.
>> He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>> an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>
>I am not resentful about Igor howeveryouspellhislastname.
Well Christ, Nic - there certainly is no sacrasm implied in *that*
statement, no?
>But most people WOULD prefer to
>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
??? Are these the same masses that flocked to the stores to pick up
RTTCOTE?
>The best baromoter are the people who supported Yes in
>the 70's and are no longer interested in their attempts at
>commercialism.
You commissioned a big market research project on this topic, Nic?
Give me a call here in NYC - for $40k I'll do a n=1,000 RDD of the US
on this topic. I'll hypothesize that "most" people that supported Yes
in the 70's barely buy albums anymore - and could give a damn.
Jeff
Rob MTSD
>> Yes.
>
>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
>the music was better then.
is that *really* why?
>It was *Yes*. The 80's, YesWest and OYE is
>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>to keep silent about it.
no one has to be like you either, Nic.
>
> He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>> they are - and for that, I take issue.
>
>Well, when someone says that "Yes lives what they play" then I act. When
>Yes themselves say derogatory and false statements about Wakeman in the
>media then I act. I don't care if you take issue with that.
Nic is like one of those superhero guys.
>
>> He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>> an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>
>I am not resentful about Igor howeveryouspellhislastname.
sure you are, you resent his talent, and the fact that as a no name, he more
than adaquately filled Wakeman's slot in Yes.
>He's doing a
>gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with the
>fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
>stabbed Wakeman in the back.
he had nothing to do with Wakeman's decision making process either.
>Igor is a fine player and I've given credit
>where credit is due to him many times.
you just don't feel that he is due much credit, huh Nic.
>But most people WOULD prefer to
>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
most people have no clue about this at all. Who the hell is Yes, let alone
Wakeman and Igor.
>I don't care what most
>on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a good barometer for an opinion.
hmm, this sounds familiar...you like to run this line down on newgroups for
artists that you used to like, even idolize, but for whatever reason, you don't
like anymore. Slam the artist and slam the folks who are still interested in
them. Cute act Nic.
>Most hear would buy anything Yes (group or solo) belches, like Jon's
>EarthMotherEarth.
er, Nic? You've mentioned some Wakeman titles that you don't like much. How
do you know you don't like them? And didn't I just see you recommending
_Promise Ring_ to someone? _EME_ is much better than that.
>The best baromoter are the people who supported Yes in
>the 70's and are no longer interested in their attempts at
>commercialism.
what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong Nic...*again*.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
stupid, blurted:
>
>Rob MTSD wrote:
>
>> >He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>> >an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>
>
define 'YesPussy' for me.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>>>
>>>Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>
>>I've come to call people like this; 'yesdirt whores'.
>
no, it's what becomes of people who are so interested in every bit of minutia,
re: Yes, that they would tolerate a buffoon like Nic, for more than half-a-sec.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>
>Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990613193612...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>>>>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>>>
>>>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>>
>>
>>what did Igor ever do to him?
>
well, you may have a point. Given the obviously twisted nature of Nic's
personality, he might see Igor being in Yes, as something personal against
himself.
Rob Allen
YESONGS
Nic Wakeman suggested:
>I don't care what most
>on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a >good barometer for an opinion.
We ARE the barometer as I see it.
Who the heck else gives a rats ass at this point?
Hopefully Yes finally understands that the hardcore fanatics of the type that
post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused accordingly.
Eddie
NP: Empire - Empire MK 3
Steven Sullivan
Rob MTSD <rob...@aol.com> wrote:
>sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Steven Sullivan) wrote:
>>Rob MTSD <rob...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>no...@dontlikespam.org (ELVIS1999) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>>>they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>>
>>
>>Is this what becomes of unicorn glitter babes?
>
>no, it's what becomes of people who are so interested in every bit of minutia,
>re: Yes, that they would tolerate a buffoon like Nic, for more than half-a-sec.
Save them, Rob!
Rob MTSD
>
>In article <19990614092342...@ng-fs1.aol.com>,
>Rob MTSD <rob...@aol.com> wrote:
>>sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Steven Sullivan) wrote:
>>>>I've come to call people like this; 'yesdirt whores'.
>>>
>>>Is this what becomes of unicorn glitter babes?
>>
>>no, it's what becomes of people who are so interested in every bit of
>minutia,
>>re: Yes, that they would tolerate a buffoon like Nic, for more than
>half-a-sec.
>
>Save them, Rob!
I'm like one of those superhero guys.
Rob Allen
RDubnicka
>RDubnicka <rdub...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19990611230047...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
>> Nic Caciappo <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Of course it wouldn't get any AOR airplay, since the format is basically
>> >dead except on low rated major market frequencies. I don't think that it
>> >would get any airplay on AOR stations even during the peak of the
>> >format, because AOR has always been about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Pat
>> >Benatar, Ratt, Winger, Warrant, Night Ranger, Van Halen.... you know the
>> >stuff, I know you do. Can you even imagine Yes with this lot?
>> >
>>
>> Here in Richmond, they have what is called "Innsbrook After Hours".
>Every
>> Wednesday, a concert, right across the lake from my office, for $5.00.
>>
>> Pat Benatar will be there the first Wednesday in July. I already missed
>> Southside Johny, so I don't want to miss Pat.
>>
>> If Yes were to come around in late August, rest assured I'd be
>volunteering to
>> set up the stage. Hell, I'd stand off-stage and hold Squire's drink!
>>
>> As far as the rest of 'em - well VH is the only one I would want to pay
>to see,
>> and free tickets couldn't get me into the rest.
>>
>> I have to admit to fantasizing about a Yes "Innsbrook After Hours" since
>they
>> probably haven't ever toured in Richmond. We all can dream, can't we?
>
>Ah, finally a fellow Richmonder on AMY. How are you R? I haven't been
>able to catch any Innsbrook shows this summer, but Benatar is a
>possibility, and Kansas is coming in late July.
There was a time I would have been there every week. Sad the way I had to grow
up responsibly!
Now it is my wife's crazy work schedule that screws up my plans.
I'd be into seeing Kansas. I missed them last year.
>
>Also, Yes did play at the Classic Ampitheater here in town back in 1994.
>That was on the awful Talk tour, of course. The place holds about 12,000,
>and I think Yes had about 4000 there(pitiful).
Is that at the Fairgrounds? How is that place for a concert.
I don't think they will be
>coming back to our town on any future tours.
I saw them at Blossom in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio on that tour. I'm glad I got
Pavilion seats, because it poured down rain after the show started.
The last time I saw them was
>late 97 in Fairfax, where I had the honor of finally meeting and sharing a
>brew with Mr. Sullivan.
Sounds like fun. Next tour, I'll even bring up some of my home-brew for the
parking lot party.
David Westbay
>
>David Westbay wrote:
NOTE: Nic forgot to include this important part of my original post:
*exaggeration mode on*
>
>> Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it.
>
>I dunno... I think putting Ozzy with the London Symphony Orchestra
>playing heavy metal riffs is a fairy original idea, since it's never
>been done before.
Maybe Ozzy with the LSO hasn't *specifically* been done before, but
combining heavy metal riffs with an orchestra has been done before, if
I'm not mistaken.
>
>Wanna-
>> be AOR songs that will never get any airplay,
>
>Of course it wouldn't get any AOR airplay, since the format is
basically
>dead except on low rated major market frequencies. I don't think that
it
>would get any airplay on AOR stations even during the peak of the
>format, because AOR has always been about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Pat
>Benatar, Ratt, Winger, Warrant, Night Ranger, Van Halen.... you know
the
>stuff, I know you do. Can you even imagine Yes with this lot?
I have heard Yes played on the same radio stations as these bands, plenty
of times. I suppose EMI really didn't care whether anything from Return
ever got played on the radio, right? Not even a little?
>
> and pseudo-Verne narration
>> that is barely made palatable by the considerable talents of Patrick
>> Stewart, who is the best thing about the album.
>
>"Pseudo-Verne?" It's Patrick Stewart, he doesn't need to be "pseudo".
>But you seem to contradict yourself by saying he's the best thing on
the
>album.
I wasn't referring to the *reading* but the *writing*. Rick tried hard,
but he isn't a science fiction author, and it was Stewart's talents that
kept the narration from being unlistenable.
>
>> You're right - Igor's new album will probably pass RTTCOTE like it
was
>> standing still, musically anyway. He probably isn't well known enough
to
>> sell more, at least not yet.
>
>What's the point of this? It's like comparing the beauty of a blonde vs.
>a brunette, or the beauty of Raquel Welch vs. her daughter Tawny. Give
>it a rest....
froy started it! :) - by saying that Igor's new album couldn't even come
close to Return. I was just offering an exaggerated rebuttal. Why don't
you jump his case too?
NOTE: Nic forgot to include this other important part of my original
post:
*exaggeration mode off*
>
>> OK, now that I have vented all of that, let me say that IMO, RTTCOTE
>> isn't the big ol' turd that some have called it,
>
>Would *you* make your mind up please. It's music on a CD. Either you
>like it or you don't. Like I don't like OYE, BigG, 90125... still good
>songs, just don't like 'em.
Like I said, you must have missed the fact that all of the above comments
were *exaggerations*. I think my comment further down, about it being
ordinary, says it. But if you would prefer me to come down on one side or
the other, I will ask you to do the same. "OYE, BigG, 90125... still good
songs, just don't like "em." If they are good songs, why don't you like
them? If you don't like them, why are they good songs?
>
> but neither is it the
>> greatest CD released in the last 15 years as others have called it.
>
>
>I haven't seen that. Boy would I like to. Many of the Wakeman fans on
>the Wakeman List have been over the moon about it. I thinbk it's fair
to
>say it is one of the best albums by a prog artist in 15 years, maybe 20.
>I also think it's the best thing Rick has done in years, as many feel
>the same way too.
I'm happy for all of you. Many here have said Return is far from the best
thing Rick has ever done. Who is right? There is no right or wrong, just
like or don't like. Big difference, as I'm sure you know.
>
> It's
>> just kinda *ordinary* to me. Nothing special.
>
>Well, maybe you're an ordinary kinda guy..... Perhaps OYE would suit
you
>better.
If I were an ordinary kinda guy, and I found Return to be ordinary,
wouldn't that make it my cup of tea, which it isn't? I suppose that I
like OYE a little better than Return, but not by much.
>
>It's too bad, too, because
>> Rick is a talented person and a great guy, who deserves a lot of
success.
>
>Too bad? Rick's success is rolling forward again. Major label deal,
with
>continued interest from EMI, big name talent rallying around him like
>Ozzy and Patrick Stewart, and now a project in the works with Emerson.
>Nothing too bad about that.
>
>
>> I'm sorry that Return is not turning out to be the big winner that
I'm
>> sure he and EMI (and even I) expected or hoped it would be.
>
>EMI are very happy with the results. They still believe in Rick, they
>also want more.
I'm glad to hear that EMI is still interested in Rick, and the big names
too. But come on Nic, can you honestly say that Return has met or
exceeded everyone's expectations in terms of commercial success? If there
is a live performance of Return, and it fails to generate significant
improvement in Return's sales, then I suspect that EMI's support for Rick
will be for a much smaller scale project next, assuming their interest
continues (and I really do hope it does).
> So, don't be sorry. Just play OYE if you want sorry.
Don't pass up a chance to slam OYE if you can help it, Nic.
>
>> I'm looking forward to the tour with Emerson next year, and I still
think
>> they should get Moraz as the opening act!
>
>No more comment than that defines the accuracy of your comments above.
I
>would do cartwheels to have Moraz back in Yes. But to have him open for
>a Emerson/Wakeman project would be like the unemployment line for
former
>prog group keyboardists. The Emerson/Wakeman project could wind up as
>the jewel of the last two decades of prog letdowns. As long as they
>actually play and not have orchestras and guests vocalists ruin the
>opportunity. When Rick gets home next week I'm going to say just that!
We agree here, Nic. The Wakeman/Emerson project needs to be done right to
avoid being a big letdown. An all-instrumental show would be fine with me.
But if they are going to have an all-prog-keyboard-star show, and they
did need an opening act, why not get another one to fit the theme? I
suppose they could get that juggler that opened for Asia, or a bluegrass
band, but why not get someone their core audience would likely appreciate?
Who knows, maybe there won't be an opener. I will be curious to see if
the thing happens at all.
Dave Westbay
ameliorated b
Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990614091935...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
>Nic Caciappo sitting safely behind his computer, half drunk and terminally
>stupid, blurted:
>>
>>Rob MTSD wrote:
>>
>>> >an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>>
>>
>
>define 'YesPussy' for me.
Sister to YESDICK
b
Henry Potts
>Henry Potts wrote
>> I take it David is commenting on Wakeman's new story, which is a
>> simplistic re-working of Verne's original.
>
>Nothing wrong with simplistic. Afterall, if Rick were a writer on par
>with Verne then he probably wouldn't need to do new albums.
Oh, indeed. Wakeman wasn't writing a novel here. I was just clarifying
David's comments.
>> LOL. You're entitled to your opinion, Nic, but I don't think it's even
>> one of the best albums by a prog artist *this* year, let alone in the
>> last 15 or 20 years.
>
>Henry. With all due respect, how old were you 20 years ago?
8.
>There hasn't been much "prog" worth calling "prog" for the last 20
>years. I've heard all of the IQ CD's and the Spock's Beard. It's okay,
>not bad.
I haven't heard *any* IQ or Spock's Beard albums. They hardly constitute
the limit of recent prog as a brief foray into rec.music.progressive
would show.
>My favorite of the post 70's lot has been Marillion
I only own _Misplaced Childhood_, but I quite like it.
>and later-Pendragon, but that's about it.
I haven't heard any Pendragon myself. Your choices seem limited to neo-
prog and I'm not a great fan of neo myself.
>Oh, just thought of some Camel too.
I'm not very keen on '80s/'90s Camel.
>Ibelieve rick's RttCotE is easily as good, so do a lot of other people
>who aren't quite as intent to desert Rick like some here on a.m.y.
Compared to neo-prog and later Camel, yes, I'd say _Return..._ is pretty
near the top. However, you were comparing the album to any by a prog
artist in the last 15-20 years and the last two decades of prog have
done much better than IQ or Pendragon. See Appendix below.
>> YMMV, but I think Rick's done much better in the last 20 years: _Soft
>> Sword_, _Classical Connection 2_, _ABWH_, _Keys to Ascension 2_, _Time
>> Machine_, _1984_...
>
>Well, that's funny. Because Soft Sword is a least favorite of mine.
Well, as is repeatedly proved on this newsgroup, we all have different
tastes!
>CC2 is okay, but it's just too demos' sounding for me.
I know what you mean, but they're still damn good demos.
>Time Machine is good, but RttCotE is similar and better produced, same
>with 1984.
I find the AOR material on _Time Machine_ more honest, more fun, while
the featured songs on _Return..._ are overburdened with poor use of
choir and orchestra IMHO. _1984_ is one of my favourite of Wakeman's
solo canon.
>> _Return..._ sold much worse than the hype predicted. Failing to even
>> chart in the US must have been very disappointing to EMI Classics and
>> the lack of any live performances so far seems an immediate result of
>> poor sales. I don't think sales are necessarily an indicator of quality,
>> but sales are what EMI care about.
>
>Yes, the sales were disappointing. But we live in a musical environment
>that requires ALL of the elements to make a project work, and that does
>include live performances along with TV appearances and radio exposure
>through interviews, etc. Wakeman's illness totally derailed the whole
>promo scheme and concert tour, it even delayed the completion and
>release date and the premiere concert which was originally planned for
>the exact date of the original "Journey" on January 18. The whole idea
>was geared towards that. EMI understands all that.
I'm glad to hear that.
>> Ozzy's long been friends with Wakeman and Stewart had little to lose.
>
>That's not bad. If you're Wakeman, you take them up on their kindness
>and support.
It's not bad, but Ozzy's presence on the album does not indicate that
Wakeman has re-captured any sort of superstar status with this project.
>> I don't believe EMI are "very happy". Were they very happy, they'd be
>> stumping up the money for live shows.
>
>Henry. Do you talk to the exec's at EMI that I do ? Of course they would
>have been over the moon to have made millions off of this project, but
>they knew there were circumstances surrounding the difficulty to present
>this project properly. They absolutely loved the music on "Return". They
>are pleased and happy. Believe it or not, they want more projects from
>Rick. [...]
Great, but they still don't seem willing to underwrite live shows,
something we were told was dependent on sales performance.
--
Henry
APPENDIX
The following is a list of albums taken from the pile beside my CD and
computer, recorded in the last 15 years, which could be considered prog
and which I prefer to _RttCotE_ (in no particular order):
Karl Jenkins, _Adiemus III -- Dances of Time_ (1998)
King Crimson, _Cirkus_ disc 1 (released 1999; recorded 1984, 1995-8)
Tim Hodgkinson, _Each in Our Own Thoughts_ (1994)
Lindsay Cooper, _A View from the Bridge_ (1998)
_Sometimes God Smiles_ (1998, DGM sampler of material mostly recorded in
the last few years)
Forever Einstein, _Artificial Horizon_ (1990)
Jonathan Elias, _The Prayer Cycle_ (1999)
John Greaves, _Accident_ (1997)
John Wetton, _Arkangel_ (1998)
Jon Anderson, _Earthmotherearth_ (1997)
Jon Anderson, _Deseo_ (1994)
Anne Dudley & Jaz Coleman, _Songs from the Victorious City_ (1990)
Thinking Plague, _In Extremis_ (1998)
Klaus Schulze & Andreas Grosser, _Babel_ (1987)
Biota, _Object Holder_ (1995)
3, _To the Power of Three_ (1988)
Billy Sherwood, _The Big Peace_ (1999)
Dirk 'Mont' Campbell, _Music from a Round Tower_ (1997?)
Michael Sherwood, _Tangletown_ (1998)
Karl Jenkins, _Adiemus III -- Cantata Mundi_ (1996)
Rene Lussier/Jean Derome/Chris Cutler, _Three Pieces Suite_ (1987/1988/1989)
Peter Gordon, David Cunningham, _The Yellow Box_ (1996)
Storntor
>Compared to neo-prog and later Camel, yes, I'd say _Return..._ is pretty
>near the top. However, you were comparing the album to any by a prog
>artist in the last 15-20 years and the last two decades of prog have
>done much better than IQ or Pendragon.
Comparing 'Return' to Camels'
'Dust and Dreams' or 'Harbour of Tears',
(both released in the 90's) is like
comparing Mamah from The
Addams Family to Elle MacPherson.
'nuff said....
Murray
Paul Mortimer
Nic Caciappo wrote:
-----much snippage-----
> NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
> to keep silent about it.
> ------snipallooza
> Nic
Thanks for the permission.What do you have to say about the double CD "Rick
Wakeman's Greatest Hits" produced, and arranged and half written by Rick,
shortly after the great Onion Tour and his extreme angst at being second
guessed by That Elias Bastard. IMHO it (the greatest hits CD) gives good
reason for a producer to take Rick by the cape and force him to use more
than four factory presets for a whole recording. And I do know what I'm
talking about. My Korg Wavestation has the 'electric guitar' sound he uses
(for almost every 'lead break' on the CD) right down to the same depth and
delay of modulation after a held note. His playing was a lot more
interesting when he had to, or had to get someone else to, program a battery
of Moogs for each song instead of relying on factory presets and Voice
Crystal sound cards/carts/floppies.
And he did co-write one of my absolute favourite pieces of yes music.
Paul Mortimer
River running right on over my head
Henry Potts
>Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>they are - and for that, I take issue.
Some of the time, Nic's attitude is all too accurate.
>He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
I don't expect the leopard to change his spots.
--
Henry
NP: P e t e r G o r d o n , D a v i d C u n n i n g h a m ,
_ T h e Y e l l o w B o x _
John Gonzales
> ELVIS1999 <no...@dontlikespam.org> wrote
> >Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
> >Yes. He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
> >they are - and for that, I take issue.
>
> Some of the time, Nic's attitude is all too accurate.
>
> >He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
> >an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>
> I don't expect the leopard to change his spots.
What I have yet to read on here (or maybe I missed it) are the comments
from the pro-Wakeman, anti-Igor people saying they actually listened to
Igor's sound clips on Yeshoo. I'm curious as to what their comments on him
are after listening to that, seeing that they still base his skills on
live performances and a minimal contribution to OYE.
Until then I can't take their criticisms on the subject seriously.
John
froy
ELVIS1999 wrote in message <37657b8...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:27:15 -0700, Nic Caciappo
><nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>ELVIS1999 wrote:
>
>>Pardon me whoeveryouare, but I don't have a hatred for all things Yes. I
>>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>>that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
>>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>>to keep silent about it.
>
>certain members of the band - and even if I did - I would keep my
>mouth shut about it.
If someone took 250k out of your bank account you would keep your mouth shut
?
Strange days indeed .
>
>Jeff
froy
Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990614091417...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
>>> Yes.
>>
>>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>>that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
>>the music was better then.
>
Sure*it's* really* why*.
>
>>It was *Yes*. The 80's, YesWest and OYE is
>>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>>to keep silent about it.
>
>
>>
>> He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>> they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>
>>Yes themselves say derogatory and false statements about Wakeman in the
>>media then I act. I don't care if you take issue with that.
>
At least he's a guy .
>
>>
>>> He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>>> an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>
>
>sure you are,
you resent his talent,
Bang bang Bang on that keyboard but for only 20 seconds please.
and the fact that as a no name, he more
>than adaquately filled Wakeman's slot in Yes.
And the seats in the concert halls were adaquately empty because of it.
>
>>He's doing a
>>gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with the
>>fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
>>stabbed Wakeman in the back.
>
>he had nothing to do with Wakeman's decision making process either.
He's not smart enough for that.
>
>>Igor is a fine player and I've given credit
>>where credit is due to him many times.
>
>you just don't feel that he is due much credit, huh Nic.
No he's not.
>
>>But most people WOULD prefer to
>>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>
>most people have no clue about this at all.
You included.
Who the hell is Yes,
Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
Got It?
>
>>I don't care what most
>>on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a good barometer for an opinion.
>
>hmm, this sounds familiar...you like to run this line down on newgroups for
>artists that you used to like, even idolize, but for whatever reason, you
don't
>like anymore. Slam the artist and slam the folks who are still interested
in
>them. Cute act Nic.
Delete.
>
>>Most hear would buy anything Yes (group or solo) belches, like Jon's
>>EarthMotherEarth.
>
>>The best baromoter are the people who supported Yes in
>>the 70's and are no longer interested in their attempts at
>>commercialism.
>
>what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong Nic...*again*.
No he's right and your just stickin your nose in the wrong place again.
>
>Rob Allen
Michel Forest
YESONGS wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Igor Khoroshev's "Piano Works"
>
> Nic Wakeman suggested:
>
> >I don't care what most
> >on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a >good barometer for an opinion.
>
> We ARE the barometer as I see it.
>
> Who the heck else gives a rats ass at this point?
>
> Hopefully Yes finally understands that the hardcore fanatics of the type that
> post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused accordingly.
How? Hopefully, not by making another attempt at some neo-prog-rock like KTA. I'd
like something different. A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to me, a
step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff. On the
other hands, tracks like "Bring me to the power" or "Foot Prints" leave me
totally cold as I get the feeling they're just making an 8 min. track for the
sake of making an 8 min. track. Hopefully, "The Ladder" will not sound like
anything they've done before. Not a CTTE clone and not a lame YesWest attempt
like OYE.
YESONGS
>From: Michel Forest <for...@cam.org>
>> Hopefully Yes finally understands that the hardcore fanatics of the type
>that
>> post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused
>accordingly.
>
>How? Hopefully, not by making another attempt at some neo-prog-rock like KTA.
KTA is "neo-prog"? From the balance of your post I'd say you consider it "neo
-70's Yes" actually.
Neo prog is generally a term reserved for the watered down Genesis wannabees of
the 80's.
KTA's retro for sure but neo prog?
>I'd
>like something different. A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to
>me, a
>step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
BtO was okay, took a while to get going but does kick in after a while - I
don't hate it but I think they could do better, as the KTA2 studio stuff
showed.
What sounds like a CttE rip off on the KTA's?
TTI and MD because of the length and the construction of songs within songs?
That's always been how their epics are composed essentially.
On
>the
>other hands, tracks like "Bring me to the power" or "Foot Prints" leave me
>totally cold as I get the feeling they're just making an 8 min. track for the
>sake of making an 8 min. track.
Can't agree here at all - these are my two favorites of the KTA studio stuff.
What makes you think they were stretched to get to 8min?
There isn't a lot of repetitiveness that I detect. If anyone of the studio
tracks sounds too long it's BtO actually which lacks the interplay in a lot
parts vs. those two.
>Hopefully, "The Ladder" will not sound like
>anything they've done before. Not a CTTE clone and not a lame YesWest attempt
>like OYE.
I wouldn't be happy with an OYE type effort either, though I don't actively
hate it like many here. I don't find the KTA stuff sounds all that much like
their previous master works however.
Are you just referring to song structure?
It's not like they're coping riffs from themselves.
Something with a KTA type feel would suit me just fine.
Eddie
NP: Canarios - Cyclos
Rob MTSD
>
>Rob MTSD wrote in message..
>>Nic Caciappo <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>ELVIS1999 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nic annoys me with his worship of Wakeman and hatred of all things
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>Pardon me whoeveryouare, but I don't have a hatred for all things Yes. I
>>>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>>>that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
>>>the music was better then.
>>
>>is that *really* why?
still haven't figured out how to put a space between the lines, huh froy. It's
really easy...watch...
>Sure*it's* really* why*.
I think the music has less to do with it, than does personal feelings and
relationships. Moraz still fits in there because Yes has no interest in
playing with him again.
>>
>>>It was *Yes*. The 80's, YesWest and OYE is
>>>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>>>to keep silent about it.
>>
>>no one has to be like you either, Nic.
>That;s there mistake.
where?
>>>
>>> He seems to be here to remind us what horrible human beings
>>>> they are - and for that, I take issue.
>>>
>>>Well, when someone says that "Yes lives what they play" then I act. When
>>>Yes themselves say derogatory and false statements about Wakeman in the
>>>media then I act. I don't care if you take issue with that.
>>
>>Nic is like one of those superhero guys.
>At least he's a guy .
yeah at least that...he'd make a damned ugly girl.
>>>
>>>> He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>>>> an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>>>
>>>I am not resentful about Igor howeveryouspellhislastname.
>>
>>sure you are,
>No he's not I am Igor sucks .
that's like some kind of poetry, right froy?
>
>you resent his talent,
>Bang bang Bang on that keyboard but for only 20 seconds please.
>
>and the fact that as a no name, he more
>>than adaquately filled Wakeman's slot in Yes.
>
>And the seats in the concert halls were adaquately empty because of it.
but there was a concert tour, and nobody in the band came close to death, from
the effort of it all. I would also point up Howe's comments, in the Welch book
re: Yes touring _KTA_, he wanted to do theatres because "no one would be there"
at the sheds. They anticipated this type of turn out, even *with* Wakeman.
>>
>>>He's doing a
>>>gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with the
>>>fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
>>>stabbed Wakeman in the back.
>>
>>he had nothing to do with Wakeman's decision making process either.
>He's not smart enough for that.
so if Igor were *smarter*, he would have had something to do with Wakeman's
decision making process?
>>
>>>Igor is a fine player and I've given credit
>>>where credit is due to him many times.
>>
>>you just don't feel that he is due much credit, huh Nic.
>No he's not.
kinda strikes at the sincerity of Nic's statement, doesn't it froy.
>>
>>>But most people WOULD prefer to
>>>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>>
>>most people have no clue about this at all.
>You included.
me?
>
> Who the hell is Yes,
>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
>Got It?
lol, that's not Yes.
>>
>>>I don't care what most
>>>on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a good barometer for an opinion.
>>
>>hmm, this sounds familiar...you like to run this line down on newgroups for
>>artists that you used to like, even idolize, but for whatever reason, you
>don't
>>like anymore. Slam the artist and slam the folks who are still interested
>in
>>them. Cute act Nic.
>Delete.
space.
>>
>>>Most hear would buy anything Yes (group or solo) belches, like Jon's
>>>EarthMotherEarth.
>>
>>>The best baromoter are the people who supported Yes in
>>>the 70's and are no longer interested in their attempts at
>>>commercialism.
>>
>>what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong Nic...*again*.
>No he's right and your just stickin your nose in the wrong place again.
speaking of which, froy. I would have bet, that little could happen to make
Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along comes
froy.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>><nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>ELVIS1999 wrote:
>>
>>>Pardon me whoeveryouare, but I don't have a hatred for all things Yes. I
>>>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>>>that's the Banks Yes, the Wakeman Yes, the Moraz Yes, and that's because
>>>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>>>to keep silent about it.
>>
>>certain members of the band - and even if I did - I would keep my
>>mouth shut about it.
>
>If someone took 250k out of your bank account you would keep your mouth shut
I don't believe for a second, that Nic has ever had 250k in his bank account.
I'll say this though, if something like that were to happen to me, I wouldn't
be whining about it on a ng.
>?
>Strange days indeed .
!
you said it, froy.
Rob Allen
Michel Forest
YESONGS wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Are we? / was: Igor Khoroshev's "Piano Works"
> >From: Michel Forest <for...@cam.org>
>
> >> Hopefully Yes finally understands that the hardcore fanatics of the type
> >that
> >> post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused
> >accordingly.
> >
> >How? Hopefully, not by making another attempt at some neo-prog-rock like KTA.
>
> KTA is "neo-prog"? From the balance of your post I'd say you consider it "neo
> -70's Yes" actually.
>
> Neo prog is generally a term reserved for the watered down Genesis wannabees of
> the 80's.
Oops! I meant "neo-70's Yes".
>
>
> >I'd
> >like something different. A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to
> >me, a
> >step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>
> BtO was okay, took a while to get going but does kick in after a while - I
> don't hate it but I think they could do better, as the KTA2 studio stuff
> showed.
>
> What sounds like a CttE rip off on the KTA's?
>
> TTI and MD because of the length and the construction of songs within songs?
>
> That's always been how their epics are composed essentially.
>
> On
> >the
> >other hands, tracks like "Bring me to the power" or "Foot Prints" leave me
> >totally cold as I get the feeling they're just making an 8 min. track for the
> >sake of making an 8 min. track.
>
> Can't agree here at all - these are my two favorites of the KTA studio stuff.
> What makes you think they were stretched to get to 8min?
They sound pretty uninspired to me. "Bring Me" starts nicely but they squash it to
go into another section of the song. As for "Foot Prints", I just don't care about
it, frankly, it bores me. I know it's a matter of taste but I did get the feeling
listening to those tracks that they were just pasting bits and pieces of songs
together without the "coherence" or "unity" (I don't know the exact word for this)
found on tracks like "Silent Wings of Freedom" or "South Side of the Sky". But
that's just my opinion. Strangely enough, I was more impressed with the two
"epics", even if TTI is too long for my taste. MD is very good though, my only
criticism of it is that the final section, the one with Steve Howe's solo leading
to Wakeman's solo, is actually too short. It's a great build-up, with a very
intense feeling and a few more bars of that Howe solo would have been nice.
> Hopefully, "The Ladder" will not sound like
> >anything they've done before. Not a CTTE clone and not a lame YesWest attempt
> >like OYE.
>
> I wouldn't be happy with an OYE type effort either, though I don't actively
> hate it like many here. I don't find the KTA stuff sounds all that much like
> their previous master works however.
>
> Are you just referring to song structure?
Yes, and arrangements.
> It's not like they're coping riffs from themselves.
No, but it does sound to me like "been there, heard that". I don't hate it, and I'd
rather listen to KTA than OYE for sure, it's just not a big step forward.
Steven Sullivan
>
>
>YESONGS wrote:
>
>> >Subject: Re: Igor Khoroshev's "Piano Works"
>>
>> Nic Wakeman suggested:
>>
>> >I don't care what most
>> >on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a >good barometer for an opinion.
>>
>>
>> Who the heck else gives a rats ass at this point?
>>
>> post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused accordingly.
>
>like something different. A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to me, a
>step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
HBeachBabe
vmim...@wwa.com says...
>
> David Westbay wrote in message
> <7jrg7n$1j8e$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>...
> >"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Nic Caciappo wrote in message <376096...@earthlink.net>...
> >>>Richard Handel wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I can't wait. This one should be far more interesting than
> >Wakeman's
> >>>> latest.
> >>
> >>Than you must live in a cave because Ricks latest is a masterpiece
> >
> >*exaggeration mode on*
> None needed .
> >
> >Rick's latest is a big snoozefest without an original idea in it.
> The only flaw in this cd is the Bonny Tyler track and the rest pleasing to
> the ear.
>
> Wanna-
> >be AOR songs that will never get any airplay,
>
> and pseudo-Verne narration
> >that is barely made palatable by the considerable talents of Patrick
> >Stewart, who is the best thing about the album.
> >
> >>something
> >>Igor would never come close too.
> >
> >You're right - Igor's new album will probably pass RTTCOTE like it was
> >standing still, musically anyway.
>
>
> He probably isn't well known enough to
> >sell more, at least not yet.
> >
> >> You probably don't even have RTTTCOTE do
> >>you?
> >
> >*I* do, and my opinion as stated above stands.
> >
> >*exaggeration mode off*
> So you were the one who was exaggerating , I knew it.
> >
> >>>
> >>>Interesting to you...... RttCotE has more than satisfied, well beyond
> >>>"interesting".
> >>
> >>It's a bater .
> >
> >Huh? I can't even figure out if this is a typo or just some weird term
> >that you came up with on your own, froy. Help me out here.
>
> The post was bate , Comprendo.
> >
> >OK, now that I have vented all of that, let me say that IMO, RTTCOTE
> >greatest CD released in the last 15 years as others have called it. It's
> >just kinda *ordinary* to me. Nothing special. It's too bad, too, because
> >Rick is a talented person and a great guy, who deserves a lot of success.
> >sure he and EMI (and even I) expected or hoped it would be.
>
> >
> >I'm looking forward to the tour with Emerson next year, and I still think
> >they should get Moraz as the opening act!
> >
I was just wondering, does froy speak English?
Désirée- currently attempting translation
froy
>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>
>>Rob MTSD wrote in message..
>
>>>Nic Caciappo <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
I have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
the music was better then.
is that *really* why?
>
>still haven't figured out how to put a space between the lines, huh froy.
It's
>really easy...watch...
Even with the spaces you make no sense.
>>>Nic is like one of those superhero guys.
>
>>At least he's a guy .
>
>yeah at least that...he'd make a damned ugly girl.
So are you saying he's cute?
>>>>I am not resentful about Igor howeveryouspellhislastname.
>>>
>>>sure you are,
>
>>No he's not I am Igor sucks .
>
>that's like some kind of poetry, right froy?
No it's reality not poetry.
>>you resent his talent,
>
>>Bang bang Bang on that keyboard but for only 20 seconds please.
>>
>>and the fact that as a no name, he more
>>>than adaquately filled Wakeman's slot in Yes.
>>
>>And the seats in the concert halls were adaquately empty because of it.
>
>but there was a concert tour,
With the same old setlist ,
Next tour should be interesting .
and nobody in the band came close to death,
??????????
I would also point up Howe's comments, in the Welch book
>re: Yes touring _KTA_, he wanted to do theatres because "no one would be
there"
>at the sheds.
With a good opening act they would have done fine in sheds If Rick was
behind the keys.
They anticipated this type of turn out, even *with* Wakeman.
With Rick it would have sold fine.
It always has.
>>>>He's doing a
>>>>gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with the
>>>>fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
>>>>stabbed Wakeman in the back.
>>>
>>>he had nothing to do with Wakeman's decision making process either.
>
>>He's not smart enough for that.
>
>so if Igor were *smarter*, he would have had something to do with Wakeman's
>decision making process?
No he should be smart enough to see that he is be used by the band only
because of what they did to Rick.
He's a disposable member.
>
>>>
>>>>Igor is a fine player and I've given credit
>>>>where credit is due to him many times.
>>>
>>>you just don't feel that he is due much credit, huh Nic.
>
>>No he's not.
>
>kinda strikes at the sincerity of Nic's statement, doesn't it froy.
No not really .
>
>>>
>>>>But most people WOULD prefer to
>>>>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>>>
>>>most people have no clue about this at all.
>
>>You included.
>
>me?
What don't you understand .
>
>>
>> Who the hell is Yes,
>>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
>
>>Got It?
>
>lol, that's not Yes.
And that's the problem .
>>>what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong
Nic...*again*.
>
>>No he's right and your just stickin your nose in the wrong place again.
>
>speaking of which, froy. I would have bet, that little could happen to
make
>Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along
comes
>froy.
To back up a friend who you constantly chase.
You bet .
Was Nic so stupid years ago before you befriended him ?
Seems like you should redirect that word at *yourself*.
>
>Rob Allen
froy
Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990615094242...@ng-fe1.aol.com>...
>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>
>>ELVIS1999 wrote in message <37657b8...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:27:15 -0700, Nic Caciappo
>>><nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>ELVIS1999 wrote:
>>>
>>>>have a great appreciation for what I like, and I like the 70's Yes,
>>>>the music was better then. It was *Yes*. The 80's, YesWest and OYE is
>>>>Yes underachieving. NO one has to like everything by Yes, and no one has
>>>>to keep silent about it.
>>>
>>But I don't personally *hate*
>>>certain members of the band - and even if I did - I would keep my
>>>mouth shut about it.
>>
>>If someone took 250k out of your bank account you would keep your mouth
shut
>
>I don't believe for a second, that Nic has ever had 250k in his bank
account.
>I'll say this though, if something like that were to happen to me, I
wouldn't
>be whining about it on a ng.
If something like that happened to my close friend I would say it anywhere I
could .
>
>>?
>>Strange days indeed .
>
>!
>you said it, froy.
Most peculiar Momma Roll.
>
>Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
but you're froy.
>>>?
>>>Strange days indeed .
>>
>>!
>>you said it, froy.
>Most peculiar Momma Roll.
I'm sure.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>
>>
>>still haven't figured out how to put a space between the lines, huh froy.
>It's
>>really easy...watch...
>
>Even with the spaces you make no sense.
perhaps not to you (after all, you're froy), but at least you can read it.
>
>>>>Nic is like one of those superhero guys.
>>
>>>At least he's a guy .
>>
>>yeah at least that...he'd make a damned ugly girl.
>So are you saying he's cute?
I'm saying; it's a good thing he's a guy.
>>
>>>No he's not I am Igor sucks .
>>
>>that's like some kind of poetry, right froy?
>
>No it's reality not poetry.
hmm, froy's reality doesn't make any sense.
>
>>>you resent his talent,
>>
>>>Bang bang Bang on that keyboard but for only 20 seconds please.
>>>
>>>and the fact that as a no name, he more
>>>>than adaquately filled Wakeman's slot in Yes.
>>>
>>>And the seats in the concert halls were adaquately empty because of it.
>>
>>but there was a concert tour,
>With the same old setlist ,
>Next tour should be interesting .
"with the same old setlist", the next tour could be a *disaster*.
>
>and nobody in the band came close to death,
>??????????
that's a lot of question marks, froy.
>
>I would also point up Howe's comments, in the Welch book
>>re: Yes touring _KTA_, he wanted to do theatres because "no one would be
>there"
>>at the sheds.
>With a good opening act they would have done fine in sheds If Rick was
>behind the keys.
believe what you will, froy.
>
> They anticipated this type of turn out, even *with* Wakeman.
>With Rick it would have sold fine.
>It always has.
following that notion, I suggest you ask Nic, about the first solo tour Wakeman
did, after leaving Yes this last time.
>
>>>>>He's doing a
>>>>>gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with the
>>>>>fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
>>>>>stabbed Wakeman in the back.
>>>>
>>>>he had nothing to do with Wakeman's decision making process either.
>>
>>>He's not smart enough for that.
>>
>>so if Igor were *smarter*, he would have had something to do with Wakeman's
>>decision making process?
>
>No he should be smart enough to see that he is be used by the band only
>because of what they did to Rick.
>He's a disposable member.
ah, the lot of a keyboard player in Yes...disposable. I'll bet he's still
pretty happy with the gig....even though.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>But most people WOULD prefer to
>>>>>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>>>>
>>>>most people have no clue about this at all.
>>
>>>You included.
>>
>>me?
>What don't you understand .
is?
>>>
>>> Who the hell is Yes,
>>>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
>>
>>>Got It?
>>
>>lol, that's not Yes.
>And that's the problem .
no, that's your problem...well, that and the fact that you are froy.
>
>>>>what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong
>Nic...*again*.
>>
>>>No he's right and your just stickin your nose in the wrong place again.
>>
>>speaking of which, froy. I would have bet, that little could happen to
>make
>>Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along
>comes
>>froy.
>
>To back up a friend who you constantly chase.
you're not helpin' him, froy.
>You bet .
>Was Nic so stupid years ago before you befriended him ?
if he was, I didn't spot it. But I'm glad you brought that up...I think too
much has been made, of this supposed 'friendship'. At best we were only ever
acquaintances, with only one thing in common, and even that, was somewhat
marginal.
>Seems like you should redirect that word at *yourself*.
doesn't really fit, froy.
Rob Allen
Henry Potts
>Michel Forest <for...@cam.org> wrote
[...]
>>A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to me, a step in the
>>right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>
>Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
You haven't listened to Asia much, have you Steve?
--
Henry
NP: _ J a c k F r o s t _
CountV
> I was just wondering, does froy speak English?
>
> Désirée- currently attempting translation
JustthinkofhimasamysresidentBoomhauer
CountV
--
"Entropy requires no maintenance." - Markoff Chaney
froy
Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990615154151...@ng-cf1.aol.com>...
>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
in message..
>>>>No he's not I am Igor sucks .
>>>
>>>that's like some kind of poetry, right froy?
>>
>>No it's reality not poetry.
>
>hmm, froy's reality doesn't make any sense.
At least you can read it ,
The hard part is figuring it out .
>
>>With the same old setlist ,
>>Next tour should be interesting .
>
>"with the same old setlist", the next tour could be a *disaster*.
Yes it could be the end in fact.
Hope not .
>
>>
>>and nobody in the band came close to death,
>>??????????
>
>that's a lot of question marks, froy.
Shows how stupid your remark was.
>
>>
>>I would also point up Howe's comments, in the Welch book
>>>re: Yes touring _KTA_, he wanted to do theatres because "no one would be
>>there"
>>>at the sheds.
>
>>With a good opening act they would have done fine in sheds If Rick was
>>behind the keys.
>
>believe what you will, froy.
If JRNY-Foreigner can sell out sheds without Steve Perry as lead singer a
Yes with Rick Wakeman would do real well . They would need a good opening
act pick one .
>
>>
>> They anticipated this type of turn out, even *with* Wakeman.
>
>>With Rick it would have sold fine.
>>It always has.
>
>following that notion, I suggest you ask Nic, about the first solo tour
Wakeman
>did, after leaving Yes this last time.
Nobody mentioned solo tours Rob.
>
>>
>>>>>>He's doing a
>>>>>>gig and furthering his career. No problem. He had nothing to do with
the
>>>>>>fact that Yes needed a keyboardist because a couple of Yesmembers
>>>>>>stabbed Wakeman in the back.
>>>>>
>>>>>he had nothing to do with Wakeman's decision making process either.
>>>
>>>>He's not smart enough for that.
>>>
>>>so if Igor were *smarter*, he would have had something to do with
Wakeman's
>>>decision making process?
>>
>>No he should be smart enough to see that he is be used by the band only
>>because of what they did to Rick.
>>He's a disposable member.
>
>ah, the lot of a keyboard player in Yes...disposable. I'll bet he's still
>pretty happy with the gig....even though.
He's not gettin paid is that where you left off?
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>But most people WOULD prefer to
>>>>>>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>>>>>
>>>>>most people have no clue about this at all.
>>>
>>>>You included.
>>>
>>>me?
>
>>What don't you understand .
>
>is?
Rob all there?
>
>>>>
>>>> Who the hell is Yes,
>>>>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
>>>
>>>>Got It?
>>>
>>>lol, that's not Yes.
>
>>And that's the problem .
>
>no, that's your problem...well, that and the fact that you are froy.
Froy's in big demand my friend BIG ,
But back to the question tell us who the hell is Yes ?
>
>>
>>>>>what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong
>>Nic...*again*.
>>>
>>>>No he's right and your just stickin your nose in the wrong place again.
>>>
>>>speaking of which, froy. I would have bet, that little could happen to
>>make
>>>Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along
>>comes
>>>froy.
>>
>>To back up a friend who you constantly chase.
>
>you're not helpin' him, froy.
He does'nt need the help Rob we all know that.
>
>>You bet .
>>Was Nic so stupid years ago before you befriended him ?
>
>if he was,
IF he was?
What you did'nt know it?
I didn't spot it.
You did'nt spot it ?
Well Golly Do Da Day Im glad you have seen the light .
But I'm glad you brought that up...I think too
>much has been made, of this supposed 'friendship'.
If I invite someone to my home town and spend a couple of days with him or
her and show them a good time than chance are we are friends and not 2
people who thinks each other is stupid.
At best we were only ever
>acquaintances, with only one thing in common,
At the time you did have the same thing in common but when Nic was somewhat
burned you then turned your back on him . That much I do know.
and even that, was somewhat
>marginal.
Can't comment.
>
>>Seems like you should redirect that word at *yourself*.
>
>doesn't really fit, froy.
Like a glove my man .
>
>Rob Allen
>
Michel Forest
Steven Sullivan wrote:
> In article <3765E496...@cam.org>, Michel Forest <for...@cam.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >YESONGS wrote:
> >
> >> >Subject: Re: Igor Khoroshev's "Piano Works"
> >>
> >> Nic Wakeman suggested:
> >>
> >> >I don't care what most
> >> >on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a >good barometer for an opinion.
> >>
> >> We ARE the barometer as I see it.
> >>
> >> Who the heck else gives a rats ass at this point?
> >>
> >> Hopefully Yes finally understands that the hardcore fanatics of the type that
> >> post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused accordingly.
> >
> >How? Hopefully, not by making another attempt at some neo-prog-rock like KTA. I'd
> >like something different. A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to me, a
> >step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>
> Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
Just because a song has a simple structure doesn't mean it's Asia or YesWest.
Steven Sullivan
CountV <cou...@NOTTHISPARTiname.com> wrote:
> adrog...@cnmnetworks.spam.com (HBeachBabe) wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering, does froy speak English?
>>
>> Désirée- currently attempting translation
>
>JustthinkofhimasamysresidentBoomhauer
The Count shoots...he scores!
Spot ON.
Steven Sullivan
Henry Potts <he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
>Steven Sullivan <sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote
>>Michel Forest <for...@cam.org> wrote
>[...]
>>>right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>>
>>Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
>
Not for many blessed years, no. But I did own the first one on LP,
playedd several songs from it at gigs in a cover band I was in in those
days, and saw Asia in concert. Good enough?
Anyway, Asia/Yeswest is shorthand for 80's AOR/pop-prog, Henry. You know
that.
Steven Sullivan
>
>
>Steven Sullivan wrote:
>
>> In article <3765E496...@cam.org>, Michel Forest <for...@cam.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >YESONGS wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Subject: Re: Igor Khoroshev's "Piano Works"
>> >>
>> >> Nic Wakeman suggested:
>> >>
>> >> >I don't care what most
>> >> >on a.m.y. say, because this ng is NOT a >good barometer for an opinion.
>> >>
>> >> We ARE the barometer as I see it.
>> >>
>> >> Who the heck else gives a rats ass at this point?
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully Yes finally understands that the hardcore fanatics of the type that
>> >> post here are all thats left and their efforts should be focused accordingly.
>> >
>> >How? Hopefully, not by making another attempt at some neo-prog-rock like KTA. I'd
>> >step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>>
>> Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
>
>
Never, ever, would I claim that it did. That would be a calumny on all
the fine songs with simple structure that have been written.
Rob MTSD
>
>Rob MTSD wrote in message <19990615154151...@ng-cf1.aol.com>...
>>"froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
>in message..
>
>>>>>No he's not I am Igor sucks .
>>>>
>>>>that's like some kind of poetry, right froy?
>>>
>>>No it's reality not poetry.
>>
>>hmm, froy's reality doesn't make any sense.
>At least you can read it ,
>The hard part is figuring it out .
lol, no kiddin', froy.
>>
>>>With the same old setlist ,
>>>Next tour should be interesting .
>>
>>"with the same old setlist", the next tour could be a *disaster*.
>Yes it could be the end in fact.
>Hope not .
why? To hear some tell the story, it's been over since Wakeman left...*again*.
>>>
>>>and nobody in the band came close to death,
>>>??????????
>>
>>that's a lot of question marks, froy.
>Shows how stupid your remark was.
actually, it shows how slow on the uptake, you are, froy.
>>>
>>>I would also point up Howe's comments, in the Welch book
>>>>re: Yes touring _KTA_, he wanted to do theatres because "no one would be
>>>there"
>>>>at the sheds.
>>
>>>With a good opening act they would have done fine in sheds If Rick was
>>>behind the keys.
>>
>>believe what you will, froy.
>
>If JRNY-Foreigner can sell out sheds without Steve Perry as lead singer a
>Yes with Rick Wakeman would do real well . They would need a good opening
>act pick one .
this is one of the funniest things...
>>>
>>> They anticipated this type of turn out, even *with* Wakeman.
>>
>>>With Rick it would have sold fine.
>>>It always has.
>>
>>following that notion, I suggest you ask Nic, about the first solo tour
>Wakeman
>>did, after leaving Yes this last time.
>Nobody mentioned solo tours Rob.
actually, froy, I did. If nobody wants to see Wakeman, how would even know he
was in a band, and why would they care?
>>>
>>>No he should be smart enough to see that he is be used by the band only
>>>because of what they did to Rick.
>>>He's a disposable member.
>>
>>ah, the lot of a keyboard player in Yes...disposable. I'll bet he's still
>>pretty happy with the gig....even though.
>He's not gettin paid is that where you left off?
so you figure Igor's workin' for free?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But most people WOULD prefer to
>>>>>>>see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>most people have no clue about this at all.
>>>>
>>>>>You included.
>>>>
>>>>me?
>>
>>>What don't you understand .
>>
>>is?
>Rob all there?
er...yes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who the hell is Yes,
>>>>>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
>>>>
>>>>>Got It?
>>>>
>>>>lol, that's not Yes.
>>
>>>And that's the problem .
>>
>>no, that's your problem...well, that and the fact that you are froy.
>Froy's in big demand my friend BIG ,
>But back to the question tell us who the hell is Yes ?
"most people" don't know, and don't care.
>>>
>>>>>>what you mean is *you* are the best barometer. You're wrong
>>>Nic...*again*.
>>>>
>>>>>No he's right and your just stickin your nose in the wrong place again.
>>>>
>>>>speaking of which, froy. I would have bet, that little could happen to
>>>make
>>>>Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along
>>>comes
>>>>froy.
>>>
>>>To back up a friend who you constantly chase.
>>
>>you're not helpin' him, froy.
>He does'nt need the help Rob we all know that.
I think "we all know", that he does...it's almost painfully clear, froy.
>>
>>>You bet .
>>>Was Nic so stupid years ago before you befriended him ?
>>
>>if he was,
>IF he was?
>What you did'nt know it?
>
> I didn't spot it.
>You did'nt spot it ?
>Well Golly Do Da Day Im glad you have seen the light .
me too.
>
> But I'm glad you brought that up...I think too
>>much has been made, of this supposed 'friendship'.
>
>If I invite someone to my home town and spend a couple of days with him or
>her and show them a good time than chance are we are friends and not 2
>people who thinks each other is stupid.
I've never "invited" Nic to my hometown, and only ever saw him 'in person' 4
times.
>
> At best we were only ever
>>acquaintances, with only one thing in common,
>At the time you did have the same thing in common but when Nic was somewhat
>burned you then turned your back on him . That much I do know.
ah, so it was *Nic* that was "burned"...very interesting, froy. To be clear, I
"turned my back" on Nic, when I discovered that he was a bigotted (sp?),
whining, lying, screwball. Sorry, but I just don't want to be associated with
that sort of stuff, *at all*.
>
> and even that, was somewhat
>>marginal.
>Can't comment.
you can't seem to put a space between the lines either.
>>
>>>Seems like you should redirect that word at *yourself*.
>>
>>doesn't really fit, froy.
>Like a glove my man .
gloves tend not to fit me well either, froy. My hands are kinda *really wide*.
Rob Allen
Henry Potts
>Henry Potts wrote
>>Steven Sullivan wrote
>>>>right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>>>
>>>Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
>>
>
>Not for many blessed years, no. But I did own the first one on LP,
>playedd several songs from it at gigs in a cover band I was in in those
>days, and saw Asia in concert. Good enough?
>
>Anyway, Asia/Yeswest is shorthand for 80's AOR/pop-prog, Henry. You know
>that.
But "Be the One" is a fairly distinctive member of such a genre,
dripping in Squire's writing style unlike the guitaristic Asia or much
YesWest. It's most reminiscent of the Chris Squire Experiment live
material.
--
Henry
Nic Caciappo
>
What do you have to say about the double CD "Rick
> Wakeman's Greatest Hits" produced, and arranged and half written by Rick,
> shortly after the great Onion Tour and his extreme angst at being second
> guessed by That Elias Bastard.
I rather enjoyed the instrumental "Journey to the Centre of the Earth",
because that was the arrangement he played on the Wakemanwith Wakeman
tour, and I didn't have to hear Ashley Holt sing. The stuff was okay and
the rest was poor. If I'm in the mood to hear Starship Trooper I'm not
putting on this CD, it's going to be the original Yes Album or a live
version from '78. But having said all that, the CD you refer to was put
together on a shoestring budget, after a time that Rick needed to do
something to earn some income after Yes had left him locked outside for
the next project following the Union tour... so I understand.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
>
> "froy" <vmim...@wwa.com> wrote:
> >If I invite someone to my home town and spend a couple of days with him or
> >her and show them a good time than chance are we are friends and not 2
> >people who thinks each other is stupid.
>
> I've never "invited" Nic to my hometown, and only ever saw him 'in person' 4
> times.
Counting Rob? Golly! By the way, you're full of bullcrap. You did invite
me to your place to stay while I was initially planning to stay at the
Sportsman's Lodge. You made sense to me when you suggested that I stay
at your place instead because afterall Rick and the guys would be busy
recording and I didn't really want to intrude on them. At first I
thought I would only stay at your place for a couple days, maybe three
and then thought I would at some point move over to the hotel. But you
were a good host and offerred to stay longer, which I took you up on
too. Never did I invite myself. I always preferred privacy myself, but
since you and I had so much in common.....
> ah, so it was *Nic* that was "burned"...very interesting, froy. To be clear, I
> "turned my back" on Nic, when I discovered that he was a bigotted (sp?),
> whining, lying, screwball. Sorry, but I just don't want to be associated with
> that sort of stuff, *at all*.
Took you a few years, a stay in NYC and your home in Orange, dozens
ofconversation on the phone to figure that out huh? Nahh, all it took
was that I had a falling out with Yes and I had no connection to them
anymore so you just stabbed me in the back. I think you're a phreek now,
but you used to be a cool dude.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
>
> Nic Caciappo sitting safely behind his computer, half drunk and terminally
> stupid, blurted:
> >
> >Rob MTSD wrote:
> >
> >> >He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
> >> >an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
> >>
> >
> >And you're a YesPussy.
>
> define 'YesPussy' for me.
>
> Rob Allen
One that wets his panties for all things Yes. When are you getting a
Billy Sherwood tattoo ?
Nic
Nic Caciappo
> That's fine. I don't have a problem with dislike for certain
> periods of Yes music - certainly, Yes has been all over "YESTOR" in
> terms of the quality of their music. But I don't personally *hate*
> certain members of the band -
> <nic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
But you never got to know any of them have you? Knowing the music is one
thing, knowing all about them is another. But even so, I never said that
I "hate" them. I've learned to seperate the man from the music. But that
doesn't mean I have to "like" the person, it doesn't equate to "hate".
and even if I did - I would keep my
> mouth shut about it.
Whatever. You probably wouldn't turn your neighbor in if you found he
was burglarized another neighbor's home then, eh? Protect the criminals
and screw the victims, eh?
Read some of your past comments re: Anderson,
> Igor, and Squire. Hateful, dreadful stuff.
I don't recall anything dreadful directed at Igor. But if you do, then
that's kind of weird, because i hardly remember what anyone is
associated with here. I don't keep tabs.
> >Well, when someone says that "Yes lives what they play" then I act.
>
> You could just ignore it? These guys are not Gods - they are human,
> capable of the same sort of shit we all are. I don't hold *any* rock
> star, musician, etc on a pedestal - and neither should you.
I think keeping silent would be holding some on a pedestal, I mean, wht
should I care to Not say anything? Because you don't want me too?
> You take your defense of Rick this to an extreme, Nic. If I were Rick
> - I would have you gagged. No need for self-appointed PR agent
> fan-boys.
Whatever. I'll do what I please. I might even write a book.
> >I am not resentful about Igor howeveryouspellhislastname.
>
> Well Christ, Nic - there certainly is no sacrasm implied in *that*
> statement, no?
No. I don't know how to spell his name or pronounce it.
> >But most people WOULD prefer to
> >see Wakeman in there than ANY OTHER keyboardist.
>
> ??? Are these the same masses that flocked to the stores to pick up
> RTTCOTE?
RttCotE is NOT even geared to Yesfans. There are many Wakeman fans who
are not fans of Yes, and visa versa. What Yes can do with a line-up that
includes Howe and Wakeman together, is better than ANYTHING that Howe or
Wakeman can come up with solo! (So there!)
> >The best baromoter are the people who supported Yes in
> >the 70's and are no longer interested in their attempts at
> >commercialism.
>
> You commissioned a big market research project on this topic, Nic?
> Give me a call here in NYC - for $40k I'll do a n=1,000 RDD of the US
> on this topic. I'll hypothesize that "most" people that supported Yes
> in the 70's barely buy albums anymore - and could give a damn.
No, I didn't need to commission anything. All I had to do was look at my
friends who I were friendly with in high school and college (1972-1982),
friend who went to every Yes tour and bought every Yes album. NONE of
them give a crap about Yes now. To them Yes sold out long ago and they
have ruined themselves. I'll save my 40k
Nic
Nic Caciappo
> speaking of which, froy. I would have bet, that little could happen to make
> Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along comes
> froy.
Rob, you just don't understand that someone who once loved Yes can not
stomach the music they have put out and called it Yes. I have no problem
with Igor in the group, I've said if they were to have a set list that I
wish to hear I would hurry to see the show, songs like Gates or To Be
Over or early Yesstuff... I just don't care to spend money on seeing a
so-called Yes play the same cotton pickin' songs. This Yes is like Yes
with IMPLANTS. Billy Sherwood is a slightly bigger boob. It's lopsided
on OYE. Not a problem with Igor, he's hardly responsible for it. Think
about it, Yes are carrying on with implants. I prefered the real thing,
even if it's small, which is much better than fakeness. Pamala Anderson
(two mentions in one week!) is not my idea of a lovely woman, but she
was prettier before the boob job and the nose job. She was a real woman
then. She's gone back to that now I understand. Yes are fake boobs now,
maybe they'll follow Pamala's course and get real and play the right
kind of Yes music and stop *going for the big generator*.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
A lot of people hated "Be The One" but it was, to me, a
> >step in the right direction because it didn't sound like a "CTTE" ripoff.
>
> Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
THat's exactly what I thought about Be The One. I kept waiting for the
song to *go somewhere*, but then it ended.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
>
> Steven Sullivan <sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote
> >Right-- that one sounded like an Asia/Yeswest ripoff.
>
> You haven't listened to Asia much, have you Steve?
IN answering for myself, after I listened to the first Asia album ONCE,
THAT waas too much Asia for me. So much talent wasted, but it was good
that they were able to make a lot of money.
Nic
Nic Caciappo
> >It always has.
>
> following that notion, I suggest you ask Nic, about the first solo tour Wakeman
> did, after leaving Yes this last time.
Nic replies:
That tour you mention Rob was hardly a tour, four different churches
playing an opera oriented Easter theme musical in southern California.
By the way, all venues were packed, except for Easter night
understandably! It was a free concert, but donations weren't good until
a few people stepped into make it break even. Not bad.
> >>> Who the hell is Yes,
> >>>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
> >>
> >>>Got It?
> >>
> >>lol, that's not Yes.
>
> >And that's the problem .
>
> no, that's your problem...well, that and the fact that you are froy.
No Rob. The problem is that you are tattooed to the gills with Yes art
and there's no way can be critical about what Yes is doing now, because
it would make YOU look like a fool. Just keep a long sleeve shirt on,
'kay.
Froy wrote:
> >Was Nic so stupid years ago before you befriended him ?
The Illustrated man wrote:
> if he was, I didn't spot it. But I'm glad you brought that up...I think too
> much has been made, of this supposed 'friendship'. At best we were only ever
> acquaintances, with only one thing in common, and even that, was somewhat
> marginal.
Kind of strange that you would have a friend that you "marginally" had
something in common with would get an invitation from you to split a
hotel room with in NYC for YesFest '94, and then extend another
invitation to stay for 6 days at your pad while Yes were in southern
California in '96. Golly, if thats marginal, then I wonder what you do
with a *real* friend.
Nic
Rob
>Anyway, Asia/Yeswest is shorthand for 80's AOR/pop-prog, Henry.
>You know that.
Besides, the travesty Be The One most resembles is ABWH, not
Asia/Yeswest.
Rob
ku...@ties.org - http://kudla.org/raindog
"The actual user of the PC is the enemy."
- Intel rep defending the Pentium III serial number
Steven Sullivan
Rob <kudla.at.tie...@aol.com> wrote:
>sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Steven Sullivan) wrote:
>>Anyway, Asia/Yeswest is shorthand for 80's AOR/pop-prog, Henry.
>>You know that.
>
>Besides, the travesty Be The One most resembles is ABWH, not
>Asia/Yeswest.
You have a point there. I keep blocking ABWH out, for some reason.
CountV
> ELVIS1999 wrote:
>> Well Christ, Nic - there certainly is no sacrasm implied in *that*
>> statement, no?
>
> No. I don't know how to spell his name or pronounce it.
Jesus, Nic. It's not like it's difficult or anything. Your lack of even
trying would be pretty equal in amount of disdain as not wanting to.
CountV
ObProfanity; penis (have to see if this one shows up)
CountV
--
"My enormous (word deleted) is in between your lips / You clasp my (crossed
out plural) with one hand on my hips / I feel your warm (unsuitable), I'm
about to (slang, taboo) / I love being (questionably phrased), You clearly
love it too" - Momus, "My Kindly Friend, the Censor"
Rob MTSD
>> >her and show them a good time than chance are we are friends and not 2
>> >people who thinks each other is stupid.
>>
>> I've never "invited" Nic to my hometown, and only ever saw him 'in person'
>4
>> times.
>
>Counting Rob? Golly! By the way, you're full of bullcrap.
oh no, not *you*...*again*.
>You did invite
>me to your place to stay while I was initially planning to stay at the
>Sportsman's Lodge.
you were going to be in town, I invited you to stay with us.
>You made sense to me when you suggested that I stay
>at your place instead because afterall Rick and the guys would be busy
>recording and I didn't really want to intrude on them.
lot's of times I do make sense, but I think you were the one to reason that one
out.
> At first I
>thought I would only stay at your place for a couple days, maybe three
>and then thought I would at some point move over to the hotel.
waitaminnit, how long were you here?
>But you
>were a good host and offerred to stay longer, which I took you up on
>too. Never did I invite myself.
well, I'm that kind of guy...and I never suggested that you invited yourself.
I said I never invited you to my hometown.
>I always preferred privacy myself, but
>since you and I had so much in common.....
lol...
>
>> ah, so it was *Nic* that was "burned"...very interesting, froy. To be
>clear, I
>> "turned my back" on Nic, when I discovered that he was a bigotted (sp?),
>> whining, lying, screwball. Sorry, but I just don't want to be associated
>with
>> that sort of stuff, *at all*.
>
>Took you a few years, a stay in NYC and your home in Orange, dozens
>ofconversation on the phone to figure that out huh? Nahh, all it took
>was that I had a falling out with Yes and I had no connection to them
>anymore so you just stabbed me in the back.
I'd chalk it up to internet access, Nic. I was suprised when I first learned
of the type of posts you were making around the net, and intially (if you'll
recall) was in denial about it, and even defended you here (and had a bit of a
spat with my wife, about you ever being allowed in our home again)...at some
cost to my own credibility. But in short time, you painted a clearer picture
for me, and I *finally* got it.
>I think you're a phreek now,
>but you used to be a cool dude.
Thank you, Nic.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>> >It always has.
>>
>> following that notion, I suggest you ask Nic, about the first solo tour
>Wakeman
>> did, after leaving Yes this last time.
>
>Nic replies:
>
>That tour you mention Rob was hardly a tour, four different churches
>playing an opera oriented Easter theme musical in southern California.
>By the way, all venues were packed, except for Easter night
>understandably! It was a free concert, but donations weren't good until
>a few people stepped into make it break even. Not bad.
no, I was referring to a tour in Europe. Do you remember your chat with Howe,
backstage at an OYE show?
>
>> >>> Who the hell is Yes,
>> >>>Anderson Wakeman White Howe and Squire,
>> >>
>> >>>Got It?
>> >>
>> >>lol, that's not Yes.
>>
>> >And that's the problem .
>>
>> no, that's your problem...well, that and the fact that you are froy.
>
>No Rob. The problem is that you are tattooed to the gills with Yes art
>and there's no way can be critical about what Yes is doing now, because
>it would make YOU look like a fool. Just keep a long sleeve shirt on,
>'kay.
Nic, you keep saying this, but it will never be true. Maybe this will help
you, I haven't used a single image from any of my *favorite* Yes records, but I
do have Trevor's glasses from the second Buggles record. Why? It's about how
the images fit in the overall body of work.
>
>Froy wrote:
>> >Was Nic so stupid years ago before you befriended him ?
>
>The Illustrated man wrote:
>> if he was, I didn't spot it. But I'm glad you brought that up...I think
>too
>> much has been made, of this supposed 'friendship'. At best we were only
>ever
>> acquaintances, with only one thing in common, and even that, was somewhat
>> marginal.
>
>Kind of strange that you would have a friend that you "marginally" had
>something in common with would get an invitation from you to split a
>hotel room with in NYC for YesFest '94,
you suggested that, I agreed.
>and then extend another
>invitation to stay for 6 days at your pad while Yes were in southern
>California in '96.
you were here for 6 days?
>Golly, if thats marginal, then I wonder what you do
>with a *real* friend.
did I *cook* for you , Nic?
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>
>Rob MTSD wrote:
>>
>> Nic Caciappo sitting safely behind his computer, half drunk and terminally
>> stupid, blurted:
>> >
>> >Rob MTSD wrote:
>> >
>> >> >He also is very resentful toward Igor - and doesn't even give the guy
>> >> >an inch. You don't have a problem with this close-mindedness?
>> >>
>> >> I've come to call people like this; 'yesdirt whores'.
>> >
>> >And you're a YesPussy.
>>
>> define 'YesPussy' for me.
>>
>
oh...ok, you've obviously confused me with someone else.
>When are you getting a
>Billy Sherwood tattoo ?
when is he going to put a usable image on one of his record covers?
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
>make
>> Nic seem any more stupid than he does already...and right on time, along
>comes
>> froy.
>
>Rob, you just don't understand that someone who once loved Yes can not
>stomach the music they have put out and called it Yes.
I can understand that, Nic.
>I have no problem
>with Igor in the group, I've said if they were to have a set list that I
>wish to hear I would hurry to see the show, songs like Gates or To Be
>Over or early Yesstuff... I just don't care to spend money on seeing a
>so-called Yes play the same cotton pickin' songs.
but you used to *love* some of those songs.
> This Yes is like Yes
>with IMPLANTS. Billy Sherwood is a slightly bigger boob. It's lopsided
>on OYE. Not a problem with Igor, he's hardly responsible for it. Think
>about it, Yes are carrying on with implants. I prefered the real thing,
>even if it's small, which is much better than fakeness. Pamala Anderson
>(two mentions in one week!) is not my idea of a lovely woman, but she
>was prettier before the boob job and the nose job. She was a real woman
>then. She's gone back to that now I understand. Yes are fake boobs now,
>maybe they'll follow Pamala's course and get real and play the right
>kind of Yes music and stop *going for the big generator*.
you've a very bizarre way of looking at things, but if you think about it,
you've got the Pam thing backwards. With Rabin, they had the *big* implants,
now with Sherwood, they've sized down some, just like Pam did.
and btw, my wife has had her nose done twice, once after a horse kicked her in
the face, and once after an auto accident. It looks *much* better than it did
before....and she has breast implants, they look and feel so real, that when
she went to a new gynecologist, he had to ask her if she had had a surgery.
Make no mistake, Nic, she's *real* woman.
Rob Allen
Axe Mann
>Yes are fake boobs now,....
Alright, this is my nominee for Quote of the YEAR!!!
Christopher Oberst
Axe Mann
>and btw, my wife has had her nose done twice, once after a horse kicked her
>in
>the face, and once after an auto accident. It looks *much* better than it
>did
>before....
Just don't let your wife hear you say things like that!! ;)
Christopher Oberst
NOFANATIC
I'm amazed to find this kind of petty bullshit going on between you too again.
Can I ask one simple question? If you really have to keep going on ever so
often with this idiocy, can't you take it offlist?
Do you *really* think anyone here really cares?
I think all it's doing is making you both look like a couple of idiots. At
best, you come off sounding like a couple of little 11 year olds.
Your loving counselor,
Rusty ;)
Rob MTSD
>
>Dear Rob and Nic,
>
> I'm amazed to find this kind of petty bullshit going on between you too
>again.
bizarre, huh...
>
> Can I ask one simple question? If you really have to keep going on ever so
>often with this idiocy, can't you take it offlist?
no can do, sorry, Rusty.
>Do you *really* think anyone here really cares?
of course not...(and down in front)
>
> I think all it's doing is making you both look like a couple of idiots. At
>best, you come off sounding like a couple of little 11 year olds.
too late to start with the flattery, Rusty...I think you know how you really
feel.
Rob Allen
Rob MTSD
well, she's the first to say...so I think I'm safe.
Rob Allen
Loznik
Oh boy ... big mistake. I've been there, Rob.
Loznik {:-)>
"Agg - agg ... aaggg." - my wife, after unknowingly placing some "exploding" chocolate in her mouth.