Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones - one of the best keyboardists ever
LOL
IMHO along with being one of the best bassist ever. He might not
technically as fast as Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson, but he was
creative and original on keyboards just like he was on bass. In fact I
call him the greatest bassist AND keyboardists ever!
Clueless retards like poisoned rose don't have a clue as to how good
he was. They think he was only good on bass. He played keyboard on
about 33% of Zeppelin's songs (28 songs out of the 84 studio songs
made by Led Zeppelin) almost all of which are their greatest songs. He
played a lot of keyboards in their most highly rated album - LED
ZEPPELIN IV.
And of course he played other instruments apart from bass and
keyboards...like mandolin and guitar on 7 other songs.
If there was ever a MVP (most valuable player), then that is John Paul
Jones. Truly underrated these days by clueless fucktards on the
Internet like poisoned rose.
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Songs in which John Paul Jones played keyboards
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Led Zeppelin I
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You Shook Me - organ, electric piano
Your Time Is Gonna Come - organ
Led Zeppelin II
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Thank You - organ
Led Zeppelin III
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Friends - string arrangement
Since I've Been Loving You - organ
Led Zeppelin IV
-----------------------
Stairway to Heaven - wooden bass recorders, mellotron, piano,
synthesizer, electric Piano
Misty Mountain Top - electric piano
Four Sticks - synthesizer
Houses Of The Holy
The Rain Song - mellotron
Over The Hills And Far Away - mellotron
The Crunge - synthesizer
Dancing Days - organ
Dy'er Mak'er - piano
No Quarter - piano
Physical Graffiti
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Custard Pie - clavinet
Trampled Underfoot - clavinet
Kashmir - mellotron
In the Light - clavinet, synthesizer
Down By the Seaside - electric piano
Night Flight - organ
In Through The Out Door
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In the Evening - synthesizer
South Band Suarez - piano
Fool in the Rain - piano
Hot Dog - piano
Carouselambra - synthesizer
All My Love - synthesizer
Coda
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Darlene - piano
Baby Come on home - piano and organ
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Instruments apart from bass and keyboards
---------------------------------------------------------------
Gallows Pole - mandolin
That's The Way - mandolin
The Battle of Evermore - acoustic guitar
Going To California - mandolin
Ten Years Gone - triple neck guitar (six string, twelve string,
mandolin, bass pedals)
Black Country Woman - mandolin
Hey Hey What Can I Do - mandolin
Jeff
Nicky Hopkins, Leon Russell, Billy Preston.
LOL
They are all good session musicians. I am talking about MVP band
member
Relayer
I agree that he was integral to LZ but as fae as keyboard playing, way
down on any list. LZ wasn't a keyboard band and to be honest, I saw
Zeppelin in the 70's and then the Plant/Page tour and frankly I
thought that was better the the LZ concerts I saw. I view him as a
utility player, as in baseball, where you can stick him in almost any
position and he can do an adeqaute job to but call him the best
keyboard player ever is ridiculous. That belongs to Wakeman, even over
Emerson. JPJ was kind of an anchor (in a good way) for LZ but his
keyboard playing could easily be played by any 12 year old with a
couple of years of piano/keyboard lessons under their belt. He
wouldn't make Top 20 on any list I would take seriously. His
contribution was keeping JP and RP from going totally nuts. I havn't
read too many LZ biographies except Hammer of the Gods so I don't know
but his keyboard playing was subdued and ambient rather than
outstanding. I'd rate Tony Kaye WAY above him in talent in that area,
RichL
<Addressed to Raja:>
>> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
>> IMHO along with being one of the best bassist ever. He might not
>> technically as fast as Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson, but he was
>> creative and original on keyboards just like he was on bass. In fact
>> I call him the greatest bassist AND keyboardists ever!
Well, we all know what your opinion is worth.
JPJ belongs on anyone's list of top *rock* bassists (ignoring folks like
Jaco, Carole Kay, James Jamerson, etc...)
But keyboards? No way. Sorry...
>> Clueless retards like poisoned rose don't have a clue as to how good
>> he was.
poisoned rose hasn't posted regularly to RMB for months, and as far as I
know he doesn't post to any of the other groups listed. Get over your
obsession.
>> They think he was only good on bass. He played keyboard on
>> about 33% of Zeppelin's songs (28 songs out of the 84 studio songs
>> made by Led Zeppelin) almost all of which are their greatest songs.
>> He played a lot of keyboards in their most highly rated album - LED
>> ZEPPELIN IV.
Quantity, not quality. If he did anything extraordinary on *three*
songs, it would constitute a better argument than saying "since he
played on 28 songs, he was great". His keyboard work is pretty much
ordinary.
He's a creative songwriter and arranger, I'll grant him that. He used
the instruments to carry out the visions of the songs. That's a good
thing. But aside from his bass playing, he wasn't very proficient at
any of those other instruments.
>> And of course he played other instruments apart from bass and
>> keyboards...like mandolin and guitar on 7 other songs.
Oh wow. Most bassists can play guitar, and it's no great leap from
guitar to mandolin. As usual, your arguments are foolish.
By the way, not only can I play guitar, mandolin, bass, and piano, but I
can also play *harmonica* and *banjo*!!!! I guess that means that I'm
"greater" than JPJ, right? ;-)
I probably could run circles around JPJ on guitar, play about the same
as he did on mando and piano.
Bass, he'd have me beat by a mile. That's why he's a top *bassist*,
period.
>>
>> If there was ever a MVP (most valuable player), then that is John
>> Paul Jones. Truly underrated these days by clueless fucktards on the
>> Internet like poisoned rose.
It's not a sport, Sport. And there you go with poisoned rose again!
He's not "underrated", you silly fool. He's rated near the top of
*rock* bassists by actual rock bassists. And those who know details
about LZ give him significant songwriting credit.
<idiotic list snipped>
DGDevin
>> Nicky Hopkins, Leon Russell, Billy Preston.- Hide quoted text -
>
> They are all good session musicians. I am talking about MVP band
> member
"Good session musicians," holy crap, the depth of "Raja's" ignorance is
almost beyond calculation.
LOL
I am not talking his technical skills here. Of course someone pretty
good can play all his keyboard stuff. Its not that complex. But that
is not the point. I am talking about the amazing arrangements he did
on his keyboards. That was all original and to coming up with those
memorable lines requires a lot of creativity. I am talking in terms of
creativity, not technical brilliance.
>with a
> couple of years of piano/keyboard lessons under their belt. He
> wouldn't make Top 20 on any list I would take seriously. His
> contribution was keeping JP and RP from going totally nuts. I havn't
> read too many LZ biographies except Hammer of the Gods so I don't know
> but his keyboard playing was subdued and ambient
Thats precisely what Zeppelin needed from him. He is not a progressive
flashy keyboardist like Emerson or Wakeman or even John Lord. He is
more of the pyschedelic laid back style. Some of his playing could be
compared to Pink Floyd's Rick Wright's organ player. If I go by
favorite keyboardist, it will John Paul Jones, followed by Rick
Wright, then Rick Wakeman then John Lord, then Keith Emerson. I don't
care for much many solos you can play on the keyboards.
>rather than
> outstanding. I'd rate Tony Kaye WAY above him in talent in that area,- Hide quoted text -
Not talking about talent... I like Kaye as well, but there are many
keyboardists, I prefer over him. I actually like him better than
Patrick Moraz or Geoff Downes.
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL
> > On Jun 26, 2:44 pm, LOL <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <Addressed to Raja:>
>
> >> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
> >> IMHO along with being one of the best bassist ever. He might not
> >> technically as fast as Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson, but he was
> >> creative and original on keyboards just like he was on bass. In fact
> >> I call him the greatest bassist AND keyboardists ever!
>
> Well, we all know what your opinion is worth.
> JPJ belongs on anyone's list of top *rock* bassists (ignoring folks like
> Jaco, Carole Kay, James Jamerson, etc...)
> But keyboards? No way. Sorry...
>
> >> Clueless retards like poisoned rose don't have a clue as to how good
> >> he was.
>
> poisoned rose hasn't posted regularly to RMB for months, and as far as I
> know he doesn't post to any of the other groups listed. Get over your
> obsession.
he absconded to and is regularly posting from alt.music.who, and being
a regular pain in the neck, like he was before. And as usual, like a
coward, he removes all the other newsgroups from his response. And
chooses not to archive his message. probably quite ashamed of his
posts.
>
> >> They think he was only good on bass. He played keyboard on
> >> about 33% of Zeppelin's songs (28 songs out of the 84 studio songs
> >> made by Led Zeppelin) almost all of which are their greatest songs.
> >> He played a lot of keyboards in their most highly rated album - LED
> >> ZEPPELIN IV.
>
> Quantity, not quality. If he did anything extraordinary on *three*
> songs, it would constitute a better argument than saying "since he
> played on 28 songs, he was great". His keyboard work is pretty much
> ordinary.
lol, none of the those songs would have been excellent if he hadnt
contributed on them. Misty Mountain Top (great keyboard riff), Your
Time Is Gonna (great keyboard intro), Stairway to Heaven (awesome
intro on recorders), great melodic stuff on The Rain Song and No
Quarter. I could go on.
If Plant and Page thought JPJ was doing ordinary stuff on keys, they
would have hired a good session musician and asked him to stick with
bass. Of course they were not wingnuts like you are.
>
> He's a creative songwriter and arranger, I'll grant him that. He used
> the instruments to carry out the visions of the songs. That's a good
> thing. But aside from his bass playing, he wasn't very proficient at
> any of those other instruments.
Did I say he is technically amazing?
>
> >> And of course he played other instruments apart from bass and
> >> keyboards...like mandolin and guitar on 7 other songs.
>
> Oh wow. Most bassists can play guitar, and it's no great leap from
> guitar to mandolin. As usual, your arguments are foolish.
>
> By the way, not only can I play guitar, mandolin, bass, and piano, but I
> can also play *harmonica* and *banjo*!!!! I guess that means that I'm
> "greater" than JPJ, right? ;-)
But you can't write a decent song or even compose, if your life
depended on it, right?
>
> I probably could run circles around JPJ on guitar, play about the same
> as he did on mando and piano.
>
> Bass, he'd have me beat by a mile. That's why he's a top *bassist*,
> period.
Actually you wouldn't able to invent any of the keyboard stuff he
wrote.
Lord Buckeye
> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
> IMHO
They make drugs for OCD ya know. I hear the most effective is an
overdose of heroin.
Lord Buckeye
> By the way, not only can I play guitar, mandolin, bass, and piano, but I
> can also play *harmonica* and *banjo*!!!! I guess that means that I'm
> "greater" than JPJ, right? ;-)
Sure sounds like it bro!
Lord Buckeye
> Nicky Hopkins, Leon Russell, Billy Preston.
Pietra Wextun.
Mad Mike
Tony Banks of Genesis
Garth Hudson and Richard Manuel of The Band (greatest keyboard tandem
in rock and roll, period)
Sir James Paul McCartney (no slouch himself on the bass, either, which
blunts this asshole's subsequent arguments)
Pete Townshend
John Entwistle (yes, both Pete and John were no mean hands on the keys
themselves)
Rick Wakeman
Geoff Downes
Tony Kaye
Patrick Moraz
Jon Lord
The Great Ray Charles
Steveland Judkins Morris
Brian Wilson (Hall of Fame just for the theremin part on "Good
Vibrations")
Sir Elton John
William Martin Joel
and of course, Mr. Jerry Lee Lewis
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument. We now
return you to your regularly scheduled flamefest, featuring our
favorite whipping boy/target, RAJA!!!!
LOL
Mad Moron, I have heard all of them.
LOL
> Relayer <danielobrien1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I view him as a
> > utility player, as in baseball, where you can stick him in almost any
> > keyboard player ever is ridiculous.
>
Quite a lame response, even for your standards. Why don't you cross-
post to your regular hideout rmb. Did they drive you out? LOL
stuth...@comcast.net
> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
Jones was more than adequate, but he was never in the same league as
any of
Bill Payne
Roy Bittan
Bruce Hornsby
Herbie Hancock
Garth Hudson
Chuck Leavell
John Bundrick
Steve Winwood
Felix Cavaliere
Mac Rebennac
Booker T. Jones
Ray Manzarek
Page McConnell
Art Neville
Benmont Tench
Ian McLagan
Toshiko Akiyoshi
Dave Brubeck
Chick Corea
John Hicks
McCoy Tyner
LookingGlass
>
> On Jun 26, 3:33 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > By the way, not only can I play guitar, mandolin, bass, and piano, but I
> > can also play *harmonica* and *banjo*!!!! I guess that means that I'm
> > "greater" than JPJ, right? ;-)
>
> But you can't write a decent song or even compose, if your life
> depended on it, right?
WRONG...! Check out RALPH (The Purple Canary) and MAYBE WE'RE
DREAMING.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=787260
LOL
How many of these were full time members of rock bands? I didn't
mention that criterion, but I am mentioning it now.
LOL
>
> > Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
>
> Jones was more than adequate, but he was never in the same league as
> any of
>
> Bill Payne
> Roy Bittan
> Bruce Hornsby
> Herbie Hancock
> Garth Hudson
> Chuck Leavell
> John Bundrick
> Steve Winwood
> Felix Cavaliere
> Mac Rebennac
> Booker T. Jones
> Ray Manzarek
lol, yeah right... I love The Doors, but JPJ was a much better
keyboardist.
LookingGlass
>
> On Jun 26, 4:41 pm, "stuthalb...@comcast.net"
>
Well, in that case, I think another criterion should be ONLY those
bassists that wore black and white striped socks should be considered.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
>
> - Show quoted text -
:-)
Lord Buckeye
LOL
Chet
DGDevin
> LOL <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am not talking his technical skills here. Of course someone pretty
>> good can play all his keyboard stuff. Its not that complex. But that
>> is not the point. I am talking about the amazing arrangements he did
>> on his keyboards. That was all original and to coming up with those
>> memorable lines requires a lot of creativity. I am talking in terms
>> of creativity, not technical brilliance.
>
> Anyone contemplating this issue who ISN'T straining to spin the data
> to reach the conclusion he "needs" would strongly factor both
> technical skill and creative choices into his verdict. This is why
> technically brilliant Emerson and Wakeman get more mixed reviews as
> compared with certain jazz legends, because those two are often
> perceived as being a bit "tasteless." On the other side of the coin,
> any impartial judge would significantly downgrade JPJ due to his
> unremarkable technical skills. But you pretend the latter scarcely
> matters at all, because you're a silly fanboy seeking a way to give
> Zeppelin another sloppy blowjob.
His requirements change depending on which way the wind is blowing, today
it's "creativity" (although to borrow one of his favorite phrases he
couldn't explain what me means by that if his life depended on it) while
tomorrow technical prowess will be all-important. It's only a matter of
time until he falls back on astrology.
>> If I go by
>> favorite keyboardist, it will John Paul Jones, followed by Rick
>> Wright, then Rick Wakeman
>
> Exactly. Your "favorite three keyboardists" are simply the
> keyboardists from your favorite three bands. Because you so badly
> muddy your criteria.
On the worst day of his life Nicky Hopkins (and many others) could have
played circles around JPJ on piano, both in terms of technique and just raw
soul. Perhaps that's why "Raja" suddenly decided that session players don't
count. Tomorrow he'll have another excuse, moving the goalposts is probably
the only exercise he gets, aside from jerking off.
Paul
> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
> technically as fast as Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson, but he was
> creative and original on keyboards just like he was on bass. In fact I
> call him the greatest bassist AND keyboardists ever!
>
> about 33% of Zeppelin's songs (28 songs out of the 84 studio songs
> made by Led Zeppelin) almost all of which are their greatest songs. He
> played a lot of keyboards in their most highly rated album - LED
> ZEPPELIN IV.
> keyboards...like mandolin and guitar on 7 other songs.
>
> Jones. Truly underrated these days by clueless fucktards on the
> Internet like poisoned rose.
>
100% Agreed!!
Ignore the other posts here, JPJ was ESSENTIAL
to the Led Zep Sound! No doubt!
And AGREED about Richard Wright!!
Totally shows you musicality is more important
than flash, and speed!
Even Rick Wakeman says Pink Floyd was/is
a huge influence on him!
progea
number_six
Any reasonable assessment of the keyboard pantheon should also
consider John Dentino of the Fibonaccis. Think I once saw him playing
with one hand, while reading the DX7 manual he was holding in the
other hand, while he had a beer in his third hand.
The man was a master.
amy
please please please kill yourself and why greg lake in crimson idiot?
Superdave
wrote:
wearing the rag again amy ?
LOL
Thanks man, finally someone gets what I am talking about. Yes JPJ was
very essential to the Zep sound, no matter what he played. If he
played bass in a song, he excelled in it, if he played keys in a sing,
he excelled in it, if he played mandolin/guitar in any song, he
excelled in it. He was the man, and he could play all kinds of
instruments very well.
>
> And AGREED about Richard Wright!!
>
> Totally shows you musicality is more important
> than flash, and speed!
Yes, these morons who say I can play Jonesy keyboard arrangements
easily do not get one thing. Who created those arrangements? It was
Jonesy! If Jonesy never came up with the keyboard arrangement, the
song would have never the same. I have read books on Zep and they all
say Jonesy, Page and Bonzo many of the times wrote the music first and
Plant came later and fitted in the words. Plant might have composed
some of the music, but most of the time it was Jonesy and Page who
created the music.
>
> Even Rick Wakeman says Pink Floyd was/is
> a huge influence on him!
Yep Wakeman is intelligent, not his fans. Rick Wright was a brilliant
keyboardist coming up with rich textured keyboard passages. He was the
MAN in Pink Floyd when it came to composing music (at least until
WYWH). After that he lost interest with all the band politics going on
and also developed a writers block (the man himself said this). But
during his prime (from 1967-75), he was one of the most keyboard
minds, just like John Paul Jones.
Rick Wakeman was very good solo-ist and could do subtle keyboard
arrangements as well (unlike Keith Emerson whose main job was showing
off). But Rick Wakeman was never as contributing to Yes' music as much
as say Rick Wright and John Paul Jones. The best Wakeman stuff is on
the song Close To The Edge.
I like Keith Emerson and John Lord as well. They might be the most
talented of the 5, but they are ultimate show-offs. If I were to pick
my 5 favorite keyboardist, these 5 would be the ones. Tony Banks was a
wanker... always hated him. He is technically good but he overdid
himself (and also most times wanking away against the song melody) and
ruined many of the Genesis songs with Peter Gabriel.
Band member Keyboardists only
-----------------------------------------------
1. John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin)
2. Rick Wright (Pink Floyd)
3. Rick Wakeman (Yes)
4. Keith Emerson (ELP)
5. John Lord (Deep Purple)
6. Brian Eno (Roxy Music)
7. Rod Argent (Zombies)
8. Irmin Schmidt (Can)
9. Hugh Banton (Van der Graaf Generator)
10. Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider (Kraftwerk)
LOL
> LOL <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks man, finally someone gets what I am talking about. Yes JPJ was
> > very essential to the Zep sound
>
> wasn't.
>
> > > And AGREED about Richard Wright!!
>
> > > Totally shows you musicality is more important
> > > than flash, and speed!
>
> > Yes, these morons who say I can play Jonesy keyboard arrangements
> > easily do not get one thing. Who created those arrangements? It was
> > Jonesy! If Jonesy never came up with the keyboard arrangement, the
> > song would have never the same.
>
> just you scrambling for excuses to hold that preference -- excuses which
> could apply to countless other players. But if someone started talking
> to you about some jazz pianist's consummate arranging skills, for
> instance, you'd just dismiss him with another angry, airhead quip.
Since, Jazz musicians are generally superior to Rock musicians, I
don't think it is fair to compare rock instrumentalists to the jazz
ones. Thats why I stick to comparing rock musicians.
>
> Do you know *anyone* who doesn't think you're a lightweight poseur?
> Well...anyone over the age of 14?
Mad Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
And you still think that JPJ is better than all of them? I guess,
then, that you wouldn't recognize true talent even if it were down on
its knees in front of you, giving you head.
That's MISTER Mad Moron to you, buttfucker.
Relayer
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have read Yes biography And most Wakeman interview and have never
once even read where Wakeman even referenced Pink Floyd, let alone
Richard Wright, not to say the band isn't great nor that Wright was
not an excellent keyboardist.
Relayer
>
> - Show quoted text -
No he wasn't. I saw both Zeppelin live and Plant/Page live and you
really couldn't tell much of a difference, where as I saw Yes with
both Wakeman and Moraz and the differences were huge. In fact, I
enjoyed the Plant/Page show more than any of the Zeppelin concerts in
the 70's. I am not saying JPJ took away from the band but the session
player on stage was just as good or better. And Raja, they played
Ramble On and it was great. JPJ influence over the band is well known,
but that doesn't make him the "best keyboard player ever". Also, he
was a better bass player than keyboardist and I wouldn't rank him in
the Top 5 bassist.
LOL
Wakeman did play on The Dark Side Of the Moon tribute
http://www.emusic.com/album/Various-Artists-Return-To-The-Dark-Side-Of-The-Moon-A-Tribute-To-MP3-Download/10951986.html
Whisper
> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
er, you're talking about a man banging on some keyboards - who cares
about this stuff it's just child's play? It's like glorifying somebody
who's goat at banging a skateboard on his head.
You need to get some perspective raja. The earth takes about 250
million yrs to orbit our Milky Way galaxy, and humans have been in
existence for less than 1 percent of the time it takes to make this
'galactic year'. So our position in the galaxy has barely moved since
humans evolved, and you're seriously excited about some old geezer
banging on a keyboard?
Get a grip man.
LOL
Get a grip man... man existing less than 1 percent of time in the
universe (like you say) and you are seriously about Pete "monkeyface"
Sampras eating a banana and swinging a backhand.
amy
>
> - Show quoted text -
We'll bury you and him in the same coffin then.
amy
>
> - Show quoted text -
wakeman takes work wherever he can get it because he's unemployed
Lord Buckeye
>
> > How many of these were full time members of rock bands? I didn't
> > mention that criterion, but I am mentioning it now.
>
> Well, in that case, I think another criterion should be ONLY those
> bassists that wore black and white striped socks should be considered.
Didn't that word used to be 'criteria'? Damn technology makes people
lose their language skills.
RichL
"Criterion" -> singular. "Criteria" -> plural.
"Criterion" is correct in LookingGlass's sentence.
Chet
Do you think the protesters in Iran really give a damn about any of
this?
Don't you think they deserve to live?
Paul
What act did you see? I saw Plant/Page
at the Shoreline Amphitheater, and they sucked
donkey balls. No Bonzo and no JPJ = No Zep.
Paul
Raja
Led Zep were at the top of their game between 68 and 72. I have heard
bootlegs (good quality) and they were really full of energy and
spirit. Too much alcohol/drugs/over-touring/sex might have sapped away
their energy post 1972. Also Plant lost his voice, Bonzo got fat and
Page started doing massive amounts of drugs. John Paul Jones was the
only sane one left.
But Led Zeppelin from 1968-72 were better than any other band live.
Just watch some of these clips from 1969...
Smaller audiences and closed arena... I always liked it when they
played indoors... the booming bass and thundering drums provided a
natural wall of sound
Denmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbA_jQ28HmI
France
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/led+zeppelin+france/video/x18h8f_led-zeppelin-french-tv-1969_music
London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12wRBAhcTY
Texas, USA
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=16126253
Does anyone have an assorted video clippings of all their performances
from 1969? I would like it to buy that!
Raja
Relayer got owned here! Sometimes, it is better not to pose yourself
as a know-it-all.
Jim Beam
>
> - Show quoted text -
The alter-ego speaks, take your own advice.
Raja
> On Jun 28, 10:10 am, Raja <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The alter-ego speaks, take your own advice.
I have never claimed to be know-it-all. And I am not advices from
someone called "Jim Beam" or "Tin Tin"
Jim Beam
You sure do act it and "Tin Tin" serve's good pork-fried rice and
spareribs and the chow mei fun is not that bad either.
What the fuck does "I am not advices" mean?
Why do you cross-post music on a tennis group?
Jim Beam
> Londonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12wRBAhcTY
> Texas, USAhttp://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=...
>
> Does anyone have an assorted video clippings of all their performances
>
> - Show quoted text -
Name one concert that you saw besides The Jonas Brothers.
Chet
He only made the world more angry. The crime rate hasn't gone down.
Another failure of music.
Raja
> Raja <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In Through The Out Door
> > > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > > In the Evening - synthesizer
> > > > > > South Band Suarez - piano
> > > > > > Fool in the Rain - piano
> > > > > > Hot Dog - piano
> > > > > > Carouselambra - synthesizer
> > > > > > All My Love - synthesizer
>
> > > > > > Coda
> > > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > > Darlene - piano
> > > > > > Baby Come on home - piano and organ
>
> he'd reject these examples because they're from Zeppelin's waning period
> which isn't so "highly rated."
lol, In Through The Out Door is a very good album. Zeppelin did not
have any waning period. They had a perfect. 8 albums all of them good.
The first six are pretty much perfect, Presence is slightly flawed but
has some amazing energy from the band, Bonzo and Pagey are slightly
low key in In Through The Out Door but they are still good and all the
songs are good.
If I were to rate their albums...
Led Zeppelin I - A+
Led Zeppelin II - A+
Led Zeppelin III - A+
Led Zeppelin IV - A+
Houses Of the Holy - A+
Physical Graffiti - A+
Presence - A-
In Through The Out Door A
A perfect discography with no blemishes!
DGDevin
>> all of them good.
>> pretty much perfect,
>> slightly flawed
>> amazing
>> still good and all the
>> songs are good.
>
> The usual adjective salad.
Ask him to explain just how and why he comes to those conclusions and either
he runs away whimpering or he pitches an enraged fit since he has no real
understanding of music and no ability to articulate even his uninformed
opinions. "Slightly flawed," what the hell is that supposed to mean? Maybe
it boils down to that album doesn't "rock out" as much as the others. He's
just a tourist looking out a tour-bus window, he doesn't understand what he
sees so naturally he can't describe it in any way that makes sense, his
commentaries on music are meaningless noise.
Chet
Raja
> Raja <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > PS If Raja was debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
> > > he'd reject these examples because they're from Zeppelin's waning period
> > > which isn't so "highly rated."
>
> > lol, In Through The Out Door is a very good album. Zeppelin did not
> > have any waning period.
>
> he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
> as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
> his own opinion as "evidence."
Coda is a compilation not a studio album. I like In Through The Out
Door better than Presence. Both are good but they not good as the 1st
six studio albums.
>
> > all of them good.
> > pretty much perfect,
> > slightly flawed
> > amazing
> > still good and all the
> > songs are good.
>
> The usual adjective salad.
Raja
I could go onto detail about why the last 2 albums are not as good as
the first 6 but still good. But I don't think telling you is gonna
make any difference anyway.
Raja
> Raja <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If Raja were debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
> > > he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
> > > as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
> > > his own opinion as "evidence."
>
> > Coda is a compilation not a studio album. I like In Through The Out
> > Door better than Presence. Both are good but they not good as the 1st
> > six studio albums.
>
> If Raja were debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
> he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
> as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
> mediocrity based on it being a compilation.
>
> Glad to hear he thinks In the Out Door is gooder than Presence, though.
> Wow, sounds like that album must be pretty good. But the early albums
> are gooder, yeah. They're real good. Good music is awesome!
Of course it is!
DGDevin
No, you couldn't. You've been asked time and time again by many people to
explain your views in musical terms and you have consistently failed to do
so. All you do is invent meaningless lists and rankings with equally
meaningless adjectives spattered all over them. Your attempts to attach
numerical rankings to bands as if they were sports teams with win-loss
records betrays your fundamental ignorance of music. What's more when you
try to offer support for your fanboi opinions you have been busted again and
again making statements that are easily proven false, and when that happens
you either cut and run or try to double back on what you posted. You claim
Band A is better than Band B because they were more popular--oops, somebody
posts proof Band B sold far more recordings and concert tickets, so you
switch to claiming sales isn't a true measure of popularity or some similar
nonsensical crap. Of course tomorrow it will be the exact opposite, your
contradict your own positions so often you can't even keep your story
straight from thread to thread. You guess, you fabricate, you
misunderstand, and frankly you lie. It could almost be funny if it weren't
so pathetic.
The bottom line is you are no more capable of explaining why one album is
better than another than a child is capable of explaining how a magic trick
was done, all you know is you like it when the rabbit comes out of the hat.
DGDevin
> Glad to hear he thinks In the Out Door is gooder than Presence,
> though. Wow, sounds like that album must be pretty good. But the
> early albums are gooder, yeah. They're real good. Good music is
> awesome!
And the awesomeness of the goodness of the earlier albums is better than the
greatness of the fantasticness of the later albums, which makes some of Led
Zep's albums the greatest ever recorded, while others are the best ever
recorded, even though all of them together are the most terrifically awesome
albums, ever. He could go into more detail on that if he wanted to, but be
won't. But he could, really.
stuth...@comcast.net
> On Jun 26, 4:41 pm, "stuthalb...@comcast.net"
>
>
>
>
>
> <stuthalb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 3:44 pm, LOL <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
>
> > any of
>
> > Bill Payne
> > Roy Bittan
> > Bruce Hornsby
> > Herbie Hancock
> > Garth Hudson
> > Chuck Leavell
> > John Bundrick
> > Steve Winwood
> > Felix Cavaliere
> > Mac Rebennac
> > Booker T. Jones
> > Ray Manzarek
> > Page McConnell
> > Art Neville
> > Benmont Tench
> > Ian McLagan
> > Toshiko Akiyoshi
> > Dave Brubeck
> > Chick Corea
> > John Hicks
> > McCoy Tyner
>
> How many of these were full time members of rock bands? I didn't
>
> - Show quoted text -
15.
Chet
amy
> Raja <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If Raja were debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
> > > he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
> > > as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
> > > his own opinion as "evidence."
>
> > Coda is a compilation not a studio album. I like In Through The Out
> > Door better than Presence. Both are good but they not good as the 1st
> > six studio albums.
>
> If Raja were debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
> he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
> as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
> mediocrity based on it being a compilation.
>
> Wow, sounds like that album must be pretty good. But the early albums
> are gooder, yeah. They're real good. Good music is awesome!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA made my day!
amy
SPEAK ENGLISH!!
amy
> Francehttp://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/led+zeppelin+france/video...
> Londonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12wRBAhcTY
> Texas, USAhttp://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=...
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
So you are saying that Robert Plant was insane for a time?
drew
> Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones was one of the best keyboardist ever
> IMHO along with being one of the best bassist ever.
Loved his stuff. Really made later LZ IMO.
> No Quarter - piano
> Kashmir - mellotron
> In the Light - clavinet, synthesizer
> Down By the Seaside - electric piano
> Carouselambra - synthesizer
> Going To California - mandolin
mandolin
My faves.
Relayer
>
> - Show quoted text -
My cat walking down the keys is...........
Chet
Chet
Raja
> > the first 6 but still good.
>
> things like "[x] is awesome," "[x] is great" and "[x] kicks ass."
>
> Personally, I don't think In Through the Out Door and Coda are even
> worth owning.
I had a page review of Zeppelin albums on my site before. I took it
down. I am gonna rewrite them. I can write a lot better than you. All
do is whine and flame and post lists from that shitty critic site
acclaimedmusic.net under my name.
Raja
I love these songs as well. Carouselambra could have been a minute or
two shorter. But the rest are perfect!
DGDevin
> I had a page review of Zeppelin albums on my site before. I took it
> down. I am gonna rewrite them. I can write a lot better than you. All
> do is whine and flame and post lists from that shitty critic site
> acclaimedmusic.net under my name.
I saw your 'history of music' essay on your site some time ago. It was so
bad that I almost suspected it of being parody, like you were *trying* to
write something incredibly lame to get laughs. That you got most of the
facts wrong was bad enough, but the flat-tire writing was so painfully
childish that it was hard to believe anyone would put it online except as
part of a joke.
What the hell, I just looked up my previous comments on that insane piece of
writing, here's a reprint:
*****
However if you really want a good laugh read his essay on the history of
music on his website, the unintentional humor is a hoot. [My editorial
comments in square brackets].
For example, did you know that in "prehistorical years" the only instruments
available were the human voice and bone flutes? [Apparently the drum was
invented far later than anthropologists believe]. Perhaps you also weren't
aware that in the western world all music was very simple until Classical
music and Opera were invented around 1600 AD, the Classical music being
reserved for higher class people while the lower classes enjoyed Folk
music/World music.
I'm not making this stuff up.
However according to Raja when Folk music came to America in the 20th
century [yeah, I know] it turned into three new kinds of music--blues,
country and jazz. Blues and country were downbeat [?], but jazz evolved
from Ragtime and was for entertainment and dancing. [We are not told where
Ragtime came from, or why entertainment and dancing were not associated with
the other forms of music]. Some jazz would go on to become Avant-garde
which was often performed on an instrument called a Theremin which was
played with movements of the hands [in contrast to other musical instruments
which were perhaps played with the feet].
I'm still not making this stuff up.
Later jazz and blues merged to become R&B. Country and blues also merged
[with folk--wait, didn't they both come from folk?] to become rock n' roll.
Rock n' roll then split into rock and pop [there being no popular music
prior to this]. According to Raja the differences between rock and pop are
highly debatable but mainly come down to pop being smoother and designed for
radio and television, while rock is more aggressive and is for rocking out.
Whatever you do don't read his website with a cup of hot coffee in your
hand, that's an accident waiting to happen.
Raja
lol, why would you go read that page??? that is a half-arsed effort. I
wrote that when I was half asleep. wanted to write something because
that page looked blank and never bothered to proof read it or go edit
it. that is utter garbage... I will rewrite it sometime later... but
it is at the bottom of my priorities.
This one is better done... have a look. It is not complete yet... I
will have more updates... I am thinking about increasing the top 10 to
top 12.
http://rajarocker.com/holytrinityrock.html
Raja
Make that, constantly didn't give a fuck about writing 2 page thesis
on it. If I do explain it, it will be up on my website...
Raja
> "DGDevin" <dgde...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > Glad to hear he thinks In the Out Door is gooder than Presence,
> > > though. Wow, sounds like that album must be pretty good. But the
> > > early albums are gooder, yeah. They're real good. Good music is
> > > awesome!
>
> > And the awesomeness of the goodness of the earlier albums is better than the
> > greatness of the fantasticness of the later albums, which makes some of Led
> > Zep's albums the greatest ever recorded, while others are the best ever
> > recorded, even though all of them together are the most terrifically awesome
> > albums, ever.
>
yes they are... They get compared to the first six. Reviews should be
written based on how good the album is on its own, not based on how
good the album is when compared to previous albums by the band. Most
professional critics make this mistake.
From my point of view, Presence has at least three classics
Achilles Last Stand
Nobody's Fault But Mine
Tea For One.
The rest are not that bad, but unlike most Zeppelin songs do not have
a memorable melody. I like For Your Life the most of that lot.
In Through The Out Door is more consistent but its best are not better
than the best songs from other Zeppelin albums...
From my point of view, ITTOD has four classics
Fool In The Rain
Hot Dog
All My Love
Im Gonna Crawl
The other three are not bad, but have nothing captivating about them.
Carouselambra kicks ass for about 5 minutes but then loses its steam
towards the end.
amy
> On Jun 28, 10:04 pm, poisoned rose <prose1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Raja <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I could go onto detail about why the last 2 albums are not as good as
> > > the first 6 but still good.
>
> > No, you couldn't. You could only write a string of sentences saying
> > things like "[x] is awesome," "[x] is great" and "[x] kicks ass."
>
> > Personally, I don't think In Through the Out Door and Coda are even
> > worth owning.
>
> I had a page review of Zeppelin albums on my site before. I took it
> down. I am gonna rewrite them.
>I can write a lot better than you.
DGDevin
>>> I could go onto detail about why the last 2 albums are not as good
>>> as the first 6 but still good. But I don't think telling you is
>>> gonna make any difference anyway.
>>
>> No, you couldn't. You've been asked time and time again by many
>> people to explain your views in musical terms and you have
>> consistently failed to do so.
>
> Make that, constantly didn't give a fuck about writing 2 page thesis
> on it.
It isn't that you choose not to do so, you are incapable of doing so.
You're an ignorant and immature clown, pretending to knowledge and abilities
that you clearly do not possess. You might fool yourself, but nobody else
believes your rubbish.
> If I do explain it, it will be up on my website...
Sure, you'll put something on your website. More accurately you'll
plagiarize other people's work, cut and paste something together and neglect
to mention the sources you "borrowed" from (not to mention the album artwork
you don't have permission to use). It's painfully obvious when you do this.
Several lame, stumbling sentences will be followed by one that is cohesive
and uses words that never came out of "Raja's" mouth, and then it's back to
the usual grade-school writing you are known for. The "borrowed" sections
couldn't be more obvious if they had flashing neon signs on them.
Unfortunately your own contributions--huge gaps in knowledge, childish
grammar and syntax, howling factual errors, hair-brained theories,
meaningless ranks and scores--will turn the whole thing into such an absurd
mess that it will be the same unintentional comedy as you post here.
You're the same confused (yet arrogant) tourist you've always been, "Raja."
That is unlikely to ever change because you're too obsessive to admit how
ignorant and inept you are, and until you do that you'll never get any
better. You're living proof that any idiot with a few dollars can have his
own website.
Howldog
> Raja <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> If Raja were debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
>>> he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
>>> as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
>>> his own opinion as "evidence."
>>
>> Coda is a compilation not a studio album. I like In Through The Out
>> Door better than Presence. Both are good but they not good as the 1st
>> six studio albums.
>
> If Raja were debating a band he wanted to *shoot down* (like the Who),
> he would acknowledge that In Through the Out Door and Coda aren't nearly
> as well regarded as the earlier Zep albums, rather than simply giving
> his own opinion as "evidence." He also wouldn't try to excuse an album's
> mediocrity based on it being a compilation.
>
> Glad to hear he thinks In the Out Door is gooder than Presence, though.
> Wow, sounds like that album must be pretty good. But the early albums
> are gooder, yeah. They're real good. Good music is awesome!
As if you'd know. You've never made any, you are exactly like Raja....
armchair quarterback with no real music experience. Both of you retards
make me sick.
Nil
alt.music.who:
> As if you'd know. You've never made any, you are exactly like
> Raja.... armchair quarterback with no real music experience. Both
> of you retards make me sick.
They are two peas from the same pod, although they don't know it. A
perfect match, like an old married couple they both love to argue in
circles with each other about nothing. However, PR fancies himself an
Important Music Critic, so he carries an extra layer of pretention.
Howldog
Poisoned Rose is so full of shit his font shows up brown on my screen.
there's really nothing worse than some self-important blowhard know-it-all
who has ZERO real experience in the subject of discussion.
Welcome to usenet, that describes a great many participants.... but these
two cretins, Raja and Poisoned Rose, take it to a new level.
thats right Raja and Rosie, I was playing gigs in rock bands and playing on
albums before you two bozos could even find the needle on a close-and-play.
ldnayman
You don't need to be a director to have an opinion about movies.
You don't need to be a code monkey to have an opinion on video games.
You don't need to be a musician to have an opinion on music.
Howldog is a moron.
amy
Howldog
> You don't need to be a musician to have an opinion on music.
>
> Howldog is a moron.
and Levi is a cretin who never had the guts to make any of his own music.
As i've said a trillion times, and you gutless bozos always get so upset
over it:
sure you can have an opinion about music.
if you're not a musician, its not going to be one I'm interested in.
you suck, Levi. Grow a set and post your own music. You cant and you wont.
All you do is sit back and mercilessly criticize those who do what you
cant. Same as Raja and Rosie. Bunch of pussies.
Howldog
> Is this that same idiot
(bitchslap)
shut up punk.
As i've said a trillion times, and you gutless bozos always get so upset
over it:
sure you can have an opinion about music.
if you're not a musician, its not going to be one I'm interested in.
you suck, Rosie. Grow a set and post your own music. You cant and you wont.
All you do is sit back and mercilessly criticize those who do what you
cant. Same as Raja and Levi. Bunch of pussies.