Robert Plant: Not a Whole Lotta Love
Will Yablowme
http://www.linwood.demon.co.uk/spin.html
Not a Whole Lotta Love, by Chuck Klosterman, SPIN Magazine Sept 2002
He denies that Led Zeppelin were a heavy metal band. He thinks Black
Sabbath were inane. Aerosmith? No. Bon Jovi? Forget it. Robert Plant
doesn't suffer fools, and he's not lost an inch of his passion for
setting the record straight.
Few will argue that Led Zeppelin didn't invent heavy metal. One who
will, however, is Robert Plant, the golden god who became the archetype
for every metal throat who followed. And it's not just that Plant
dismisses the entire genre because it rips him off; he thinks metal
bands suck because they don't rip him off enough.
It's been more than twenty years since John Bonham's death ended
Zeppelin's epic reign, but Plant's unrepentance has not waned. The
53-year-old Brit is touring and has released a solo album, Dreamland,
juxtaposing vintage blues and folk with modern trippiness. He remains
willing to criticize just about every hard rock band that's ever
existed, and he even took a shot at the very idea of Spin celebrating a
musical idiom he clearly hates.
"After you finish this issue about the fucking absurdity of boys trying
to be more than what they should be-Conan the Warrior goes on tour, or
whatever-come see my new show," he said at the conclusion of our
interview. "Just come along, because it's such a trip. And when you
decide to do an issue about psychedelia, I'll sit in rocking chair and
tell you stories about Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison."
----------------------
CK:Even though most people consider Led Zeppelin to be the creators of
heavy metal, you've always insisted that Zeppelin weren't a metal band.
So in your mind, what is "heavy metal" and why doesn't it include Led
Zeppelin?
RP:You've made a mistake there; you cannot classify anything, anywhere.
Classification is a killer. Otherwise, we're all stuck. It means Mother
Love Bone or Linkin Park or Creed will never do anything other than what
they've already done. Led Zeppelin did lots of different things--working
in North Africa, writing songs like "Friends" and "Four Sticks" and
"Kashmir". I can't imagine "Kashmir" being considered a heavy metal
piece. I don't think "Stairway to Heaven" was very heavy metal. But we
were bombastic. We took no prisoners. We took great delight in playing
with bands who has the attitude and ego that was so prevalent in America
at the time. Everyone was a self-proclaimed star, which was dumbfounding
to me. So to turn up the intensity and be truly bombastic-that's when we
just out-heavied everybody.
CK:But why is it, despite Led Zeppelin being so musically diverse, that
most of the bands Zeppelin influenced only picked up on one thing the
band did, which was to play loud and heavy? I mean, did you like any of
the bands that did that?
RP:Well, I think that some of the Seattle bands glorified in a kind of
music John Bonham always called "Deep Sabbath", which was a conglomerate
of English, sketchy, blues-based thud. It was inane and had no mystery
to it at all. I know from my escapades with guys from Seattle, and from
working with Steve Albini, that this Sabbath style of music-that almost
clumsy, plodding, slog metal-just never really sprang out of the
speakers or moved into any acoustic area. It was just an aping of the
Led Zep thing.
CK:Well then, you must find it ironic that most people who love your
band today also tend to love Black Sabbath.
RP:No, no. I don't agree. I've been playing festivals in Europe for the
past year, and I find those audiences want the sensitivity, too. But
maybe it's because I've been playing to a lot of Latin people. I played
the Isle of Wight Festival last week, and one the songs I did was "Going
to California," because it's kind of my bag. Now, whether you would call
"Going to California" heavy metal, I don't know; it might be a bit
embarrassing at times lyrically, but it did sum up a period of my life
when I was 22. And the audience was going absolutely apeshit, and these
were punk guys with Mohican haircuts. So I think you're wrong.
CK:Maybe so. But it seems that whenever people talk about the dawn of
heavy metal, the logic usually goes like this: Black Sabbath created a
certain kind of sound that was replicated by British acts and later
nu-metal bands, and Led Zeppelin sort of invented the sound and image
for groups like Guns N Roses and Aerosmith. Do you disagree with that?
RP:Well, I think the guitarist in Aerosmith makes no attempt to hide his
admiration for Jimmy Page, and that's inherent in a lot of their tracks.
Aerosmith are basically a pop group. They write pop songs, and they're
aiming for the charts and Top 40 television. And when you think of the
treachery of hard rock-when you think of bands like Bon Jovi, and when
you think of...um...what were some of the other hair bands from that
era?
CK:Motley Crue? Ratt?
RP:Yeah, yeah. Those bands were hanging on to some real big pop melodies
and dressing them up as something aggressive and boyish and
testosterone-ridden, but it was still "Livin on a Prayer", you know? And
that's not a great place to be coming from.
CK:It isn't? Why not?
RP:Well, it's is if it's a career move and you want to do "Bridge Over
Troubled Water" when you're 60.
CK:Do you think a lot of those bands were ultimately influenced more by
Zep's debauched depiction in the book Hammer of the Gods: the Led
Zeppelin Saga than by what's actually on your records? It seems like
they copied your espoused lifestyle more than your actual songs.
RP:Who knows? I mean, is it all a career move? Getting fucked up is
quite easy if you have more than thirty dollars. It was interesting to
watch all of that, because I never read the book. But I don't think
anyone could have lived through all that stuff that [former Zeppelin
tour manager] Richard Cole blubbered out to the guy who wrote it [author
Stephen Davis].
CK:I have a hard time believing that you've never read Hammer of the
Gods. Weren't you curious?
RP:The guy who wrote that book knew nothing about the band. I think he'd
hung around us once. He got all his information from a guy who had a
herion problem who happened to be associated with us. The only thing I
read was the "After Zeppelin" part, because I was eager to get on with
the music and stop living in a dream state.
CK:Does it bother you that, in the eyes of a lot of people, the only
reason John Paul Jones was not asked to participate in your 1994 reunion
with Jimmy Page was financial? And that you and Page simply didn't want
to split the revenue three ways?
RP:[chuckles] It's like this: Led Zeppelin was a very strange,
four-quadrant marriage. And when the marriage dissolved, when John
passed away, I really didn't think I'd work with any of those guys
again. When we were kids, Bonham and I were the toughest guys around.
Nobody wanted to be around us, because we believed in ourselves so much
and we were really unbearable. So when he passed, I realy didn't want to
stay with the southern guys-the two guys from London. I thought enough
was enough, and I'd lost the one guy I'd been close to since I was 15.
But when MTV asked me to do the Unplugged thing, I thought, "I can't
take all the credit for this. I can't do the Zeppelin stuff and sit
there with a broad grin on my face," So I asked Jimmy if it was possible
for us to start writing again, without it becoming some sad Zeppelin
reunion. And there was really no room for anybody else. There was no
physical room or emotional room or creative room.
CK:But couldn't you have toured with Page, Jones, and Bonham's son Jason
on drums?
RP:But what the fuck for? John Bonham's kid isn't as good as John
Bonham. Look, I know you're a journalist, so I'll go along with this
question. I don't make my living by making a living. My time is so
important that I can't compromise my taste-or my idea of what's
right-simply to match someone else's view of what's a good, calculated
move. And can you imagine what a lumbering monster that tour would have
been? It would have been quite sluttish to come back firing like a bunch
of hard rockers. The important thing was that Page and I decided to
write again.
CK:How often do you talk to Jimmy Page for non-business purposes?
RP:We're going to a tennis match on Tuesday.
CK:Really? Who's playing?
RP:Fuck if I know! I just made that up. [laughs]
CK:I realize this probably seems ridiculous to you, but there is a whole
class of people who listen to classic rock radio and wonder if you guys
are actually friends.
RP:There' definitely a warmth between us, and a patience. We're like
Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon. The reality is that Page is a very
clever, talented guy who has a particular slant on music, and I was
always his sidekick who had a different slant on music.
CK:Earlier in this interview, you said that a Led Zeppelin reunion tour
would have been a "lumbering monster." But what about bands who are even
older than you? Do you think the Rolling Stones are still able to
maintain a sense of conviction at this point in their career?
RP:No. But I think they've gone somewhere else, and I really can't be
critical. Because if they have a good time and play well, it's a
communion. And it's somewhere for people to go who remember when that
stuff was shit-hot. This kind of thing happens every year. And guess
what? You [as a journalist] get a salary, and I get a lot of dough if I
sell a lot of records. It's called entertainment.
CK:As the man who heard them all, what is the coolest, heaviest, most
"metal" Jimmy Page guitar riff?
RP:Hmmm. [Pauses] That's a very good question. I guess it's got to be
"Whole Lotta Love," doesn't it? And there's another song that isn't
heavy but that I love because the guitar is fucking amazing-"For You
Life" off Presence.And then there's the beginning of "The Wanton Song"
and "Immigrant Song". I suppose "Immigrant Song" might have it over
"Whole Lotta Love", but the thing about "Whole Lotta Love" is that it's
quite a sexy track.
CK:Actually, that reminds me of something: On "Whole Lotta Love" you say
you're going to give some girl "every inch" of your love. But you're
British. Why don't you use the metric system?
RP:That would change the whole tone of the thing! I suppose today it
would have to be. "I'll give you several centimeters of bliss." But
people of my generation know nothing about the metric system. I'm
fortunate to say I still use inches-or at least that's what my
girlfriend says, and she's 29.
" Put down that fucking coffee right now!, Coffee is for closers"
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Will Yablowme <kineti...@aol.comme> wrote:
>
>The
>53-year-old Brit is touring and has released a solo album, Dreamland,
>juxtaposing vintage blues and folk with modern trippiness.
I really like Robert Plant, but this Dreamland thus far is so "ose"!!
I got it the other day...it's got to be the most depressing sounding
Plant album I ever heard. Usually he has at least one rocker that has
some sort of joie d'vivre in it...I didn't even get thru listening to
the whole CD yet, so perhaps I am speaking prematurely, but the first
few songs I listened to were so "ose" that I was getting a little
punchy by the time I reached the blues medley. The one where he starts
in with "Baby your cat is hungryyyyyyyy," which had me ROTFLMAO.
The next morning of course Freya started in with the "feed meeeee!"
song and I chimed in with "Baby your cat is hungryyyyyy", which
got me a really funny "Kodak moment" face from the sleepy Fuzzy Man.
--
"Then," said the medicine man rather | Do NOT taunt ^ /o\
maliciously, "I should advise you to | Really Jazzed |/\v/---
call him Thunder Moon, because he | Newlywed NYC b ^ | |
makes a great noise!" - Max Brand | Valkyrie! | / \ V
Cherie
>>The
>>53-year-old Brit is touring and has released a solo album, Dreamland,
>>juxtaposing vintage blues and folk with modern trippiness.
>
>I really like Robert Plant, but this Dreamland thus far is so "ose"!!
>I got it the other day...it's got to be the most depressing sounding
>Plant album I ever heard. Usually he has at least one rocker that has
>some sort of joie d'vivre in it..
Yeah, I heard a few samples from that CD, and I thought, "No thanks!"
I guess Mr. Plant just doesn't "have it in 'im " anymore. :(
~Cherie
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<a href="http://www.petslates.com">Personalized Pet Slates</a>
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Cherie <summ...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The
>>>53-year-old Brit is touring and has released a solo album, Dreamland,
>>>juxtaposing vintage blues and folk with modern trippiness.
>>
>>I really like Robert Plant, but this Dreamland thus far is so "ose"!!
>>I got it the other day...it's got to be the most depressing sounding
>>Plant album I ever heard. Usually he has at least one rocker that has
>>some sort of joie d'vivre in it..
>
>Yeah, I heard a few samples from that CD, and I thought, "No thanks!"
>I guess Mr. Plant just doesn't "have it in 'im " anymore. :(
That I refuse to believe. I just think something in his life was
bumming him out bigtime and it came out in the music. He's enormously
talented. Dreamland is the first thing he EVER did that I didn't like.
He'll be back.
Chris Hosford
>>I guess Mr. Plant just doesn't "have it in 'im " anymore. :(
>
>That I refuse to believe. I just think something in his life was
>bumming him out bigtime and it came out in the music. He's enormously
>talented. Dreamland is the first thing he EVER did that I didn't like.
>He'll be back.
I haven't heard the new one, but I seem to remember _Now And Zen_ and _Manic
Nirvana_ as being fairly dreadful albums that pretty much scared me off any
further exploration of Robert Plant's solo career. I really like _Walking
Into Clarksdale_, though, particularly the slow, creepy tracks that sound like
they belonged in a David Lynch flick.
"Take a circle, caress it, and it will become vicious."-Eugene Ionesco
John T/CountV
thought of this to say:
> "ose"
Huh?
--
CountV/John T
"Why do I get a bill every month from Usenet?" - George
John T/CountV
to say:
>>> Yeah, I heard a few samples from that CD, and I thought, "No thanks!"
Fate of Nations and Shaken and Stirred are pretty damned good albums. A damn
sight better than Clarksdale IMNHO.
Mike Smith
news:B984CDB4.4046%countRE...@m-ideas.com...
> On 02-08-18 01.24, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
> thought of this to say:
>
> > "ose"
>
> Huh?
"Morose", maybe?
--
Mike Smith
There are perhaps 5% of the population that simply *can't* think.
There are another 5% who *can*, and *do*.
The remaining 90% *can* think, but *don't*.
-- R. A. Heinlein
John Hopkins
hollered:
>
>http://www.linwood.demon.co.uk/spin.html
>
>Not a Whole Lotta Love, by Chuck Klosterman, SPIN Magazine Sept 2002
>
>He denies that Led Zeppelin were a heavy metal band.
Not that this makes any difference to *anything*...
> He thinks Black Sabbath were inane.
Except for some cool riffs and guitar solos, who isn't?
> Aerosmith? No.
What?
> Bon Jovi? Forget it.
I don't know it yet, dammit!
> Robert Plant doesn't suffer fools,
so no more paying customers for him.
>Few will argue that Led Zeppelin didn't invent heavy metal.
Led Zeppelin didn't invent heavy metal. There, I said it, and Blue
Cheer will back me up on this.
> And it's not just that Plant
>dismisses the entire genre because it rips him off; he thinks metal
>bands suck because they don't rip him off enough.
Seeing as how they've been entirely supplanted in youth culture by rap
noises, one can forgive them if they considered Plant an overblown
ditz in the first place.
>It's been more than twenty years since John Bonham's death ended
>Zeppelin's epic reign, but Plant's unrepentance has not waned.
Uh -- is he saying Plant killed 'im?
>He remains
>willing to criticize just about every hard rock band that's ever
>existed,
Including his own, considering they were once rich enough to release a
live album/movie which proved how much they sucked live.
[--]
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 02-08-18 01.24, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
>thought of this to say:
>
>> "ose"
>
>Huh?
I'm surprised at you, Count, being a filker and all. It's short for
"morose".
John T/CountV
thought of this to say:
> In article <B984CDB4.4046%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
> John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>> On 02-08-18 01.24, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
>> thought of this to say:
>>
>>> "ose"
>>
>> Huh?
>
> I'm surprised at you, Count, being a filker and all.
I don't know that "having at one time or another changed the lyrics of a
popular song" combined with "being on the perifery of SF fandom in my
mid-teens" makes it possible to describe me as a filker.
> It's short for "morose".
Ah. Sounds like it might be his best album yet.
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 02-08-18 13.09, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
>thought of this to say:
>
>
>I don't know that "having at one time or another changed the lyrics of a
>popular song" combined with "being on the perifery of SF fandom in my
>mid-teens" makes it possible to describe me as a filker.
At least you know what it is...and understand it.
>> It's short for "morose".
>
>Ah. Sounds like it might be his best album yet.
Yikes! ;-7 Ah well, different strokes...
gmelin
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com> wrote in article
<ajoapc$r2d$1...@eri0.s8.isp.nyc.eggn.net>...
: In article <B9857A2F.40B5%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
: John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
: >I don't know that "having at one time or another changed the lyrics of a
: >popular song" combined with "being on the perifery of SF fandom in my
: >mid-teens" makes it possible to describe me as a filker.
:
: At least you know what it is...and understand it.
I know what "filking" is, but I will never understand it.
--
gmelin
np: some popular song with random references to Doctor Who inserted into
the lyrics -- I like to listenin to this while reading stories "based on"
_Star Trek_ that always seem to be variations on the classic theme of "Mr.
Spock has sex with the author."
Judd
DVD GOSSIP
Thanks to a German website, the same info went round and round
yesterday about a Nov 18th release of a triple DVD featuring Zep at
Albert Hall 70, Earls Court 75 and Knebworth 79.
There is no official news about the DVD yet. It will happen - and
probably this year. Comments from band members have indicated that the
shows mentioned above will be featured. However, recent Plant
interviews have suggested that other sources (70,71) are also in the
frame too. To be continued...
Thanks to everyone who emailed in.
Thanks to Alan Stecher for the heads up.
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
gmelin <gme...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>np: some popular song with random references to Doctor Who inserted into
>the lyrics -- I like to listenin to this while reading stories "based on"
>_Star Trek_ that always seem to be variations on the classic theme of "Mr.
>Spock has sex with the author."
Trek pr0n. Yikes. ;-7
John T/CountV
thought of this to say:
> In article <01c246c8$3e0650c0$4c71bb3f@computer>,
> gmelin <gme...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>
>> np: some popular song with random references to Doctor Who inserted into
>> the lyrics -- I like to listenin to this while reading stories "based on"
>> _Star Trek_ that always seem to be variations on the classic theme of "Mr.
>> Spock has sex with the author."
>
> Trek pr0n. Yikes. ;-7
I thought Trek slash fiction had been more or less entirely superceded by
Jedi Master-and-padawan slash.
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 02-08-18 21.10, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
>thought of this to say:
>
>> In article <01c246c8$3e0650c0$4c71bb3f@computer>,
>> gmelin <gme...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> np: some popular song with random references to Doctor Who inserted into
>>> the lyrics -- I like to listenin to this while reading stories "based on"
>>> _Star Trek_ that always seem to be variations on the classic theme of "Mr.
>>> Spock has sex with the author."
>>
>> Trek pr0n. Yikes. ;-7
>
>I thought Trek slash fiction had been more or less entirely superceded by
>Jedi Master-and-padawan slash.
There's also a large collection of Xena fanfic on the net...*shudder*
Theus
news:ajpj8t$cc7$1...@eri0.s8.isp.nyc.eggn.net...
> In article <B985FA6E.4137%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
> John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
> >On 02-08-18 21.10, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
> >thought of this to say:
> >
> >> In article <01c246c8$3e0650c0$4c71bb3f@computer>,
> >> gmelin <gme...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> np: some popular song with random references to Doctor Who inserted
into
> >>> the lyrics -- I like to listenin to this while reading stories "based
on"
> >>> _Star Trek_ that always seem to be variations on the classic theme of
"Mr.
> >>> Spock has sex with the author."
> >>
> >> Trek pr0n. Yikes. ;-7
> >
> >I thought Trek slash fiction had been more or less entirely superceded by
> >Jedi Master-and-padawan slash.
>
> There's also a large collection of Xena fanfic on the net...*shudder*
>
would you expect? I imagine there is fan fiction devoted to every geek
obsession.
--
Michael E.J. Smith
"You can't fight in here, this is the War Room" Dr. Strangelove
Jeremy Weissenburger
Devil With A Rubber Chicken" <reds...@liii.com> wrote:
> In article <B9857A2F.40B5%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
> John T/CountV <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>> On 02-08-18 13.09, She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com>
>> thought of this to say:
>>
>>> I'm surprised at you, Count, being a filker and all.
>>
>> I don't know that "having at one time or another changed the lyrics of a
>> popular song" combined with "being on the perifery of SF fandom in my
>> mid-teens" makes it possible to describe me as a filker.
>
> At least you know what it is...and understand it.
>
>>> It's short for "morose".
>>
>> Ah. Sounds like it might be his best album yet.
>
> Yikes! ;-7 Ah well, different strokes...
I kinda dug it. "Hey Joe" is a little over the top, but the other songs I
really enjoy.
--Jeremy
Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL
>From: John Hopkins dar...@attbi.com
>Date: 8/18/02 5:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <16nuluo73rv9rbhcu...@4ax.com>
I saw Led Zeppelin ...they certainly did not suck live. As the BBC
recordings prove.
One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
Bravo Robert Plant; I agreed with almost everything he said. I think many
people who were teens/20's in the 70s would agree that Aerosmith
have always been a joke , for example.
_______
-S.
Jeremy Weissenburger
"Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL" <stev...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: Robert Plant: Not a Whole Lotta Love
>> From: John Hopkins dar...@attbi.com
>> Date: 8/18/02 5:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>> Message-id: <16nuluo73rv9rbhcu...@4ax.com>
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2002 22:32:37 GMT, kineti...@aol.comme (Will Yablowme)
>> hollered:=
>>>
>>> He remains
>>> willing to criticize just about every hard rock band that's ever
>>> existed,
>>
>> Including his own, considering they were once rich enough to release a
>> live album/movie which proved how much they sucked live.
>
> I saw Led Zeppelin ...they certainly did not suck live. As the BBC
> recordings prove.
I just wish more would be released. Yes, the live album is overblown, but
what do you expect from a band who at the time had stretched "Dazed &
Confused" to over 30 minutes long?
> One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
If the rumors of a live DVD are true, we will see.
> Bravo Robert Plant; I agreed with almost everything he said. I think many
> people who were teens/20's in the 70s would agree that Aerosmith
> have always been a joke , for example.
There are maybe a handful of (older) Aerosmith songs I liked at all. Now
they're not just a joke, they're an embarrassing joke.
--Jeremy
Tim Martin
"Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL" <stev...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020818234312...@mb-mu.aol.com...
>
> I saw Led Zeppelin ...they certainly did not suck live.
I agree. I saw them in Munich in the last 70's. I think it was '79...
although I was there several times from '76 to '80 since my mom lived in
Heidelberg during that period, so I can't be sure. Pretty good stuff.
> As the BBC
> recordings prove.
>
> One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
>
> Bravo Robert Plant; I agreed with almost everything he said. I think many
> people who were teens/20's in the 70s would agree that Aerosmith
> have always been a joke
Well, that *proves* it then.
TM
Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL
>Date: 8/19/02 1:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <wd%79.69554$Fw3.3...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
It does?
I await your diamond-like insight on the matter, Tim.
_______
-S.
John Hopkins
You Dis AOL) hollered:
>>Subject: Re: Robert Plant: Not a Whole Lotta Love
>>From: John Hopkins dar...@attbi.com
>>>He remains
>>>willing to criticize just about every hard rock band that's ever
>>>existed,
>>
>>Including his own, considering they were once rich enough to release a
>>live album/movie which proved how much they sucked live.
>
>I saw Led Zeppelin ...they certainly did not suck live. As the BBC
>recordings prove.
>
>One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
No, but it was the official live album/movie they decided to release
while the band was still active, which, if they *were* a whole lotta
better than that, is pretty mistifying.
Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL
Message-id: <t4c1mug9a6nq1ceha...@4ax.com>
But they pretty much disowned it thereafter -- note for example that it was
enver included in the remasters series that Page oversaw. And as for why a
sub-par product would be released while a band is still active, one might
wonder the
same thing about the Keys to Ascension video.
_______
-S.
Michel Forest
I've heard Zep bootlegs that were much better than the official live album.
Of course, that's also true of "Yesshows", but that's another story.
Tim Martin
many
> >> people who were teens/20's in the 70s would agree that Aerosmith
> >> have always been a joke
> >
> >Well, that *proves* it then.
>
> It does?
>
> I await your diamond-like insight on the matter, Tim.
What matter?
TM
Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL
Date: Mon, Aug 19, 2002 2:31 PM
Message-id: <1Qa89.77984$Fw3.3...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
What matter? >>
What proves what?
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-S.
michael burg
1976. They were out of tune, sloppy and boring. I still am a big fan of
their recordings, but I was shocked and disheartened at their performance.
John Hopkins
You Dis AOL) hollered:
><< Subject: Re: Robert Plant: Not a Whole Lotta Love
>From: John Hopkins dar...@attbi.com
>Date: Mon, Aug 19, 2002 4:54 AM
>Message-id: <t4c1mug9a6nq1ceha...@4ax.com>
>
>On 19 Aug 2002 03:43:12 GMT, stev...@aol.com (Cannot Understand Why
>You Dis AOL) hollered:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Robert Plant: Not a Whole Lotta Love
>>>From: John Hopkins dar...@attbi.com
>>One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
>
>No, but it was the official live album/movie they decided to release
>while the band was still active, which, if they *were* a whole lotta
>better than that, is pretty mistifying.
> >>
>
>
>But they pretty much disowned it thereafter -- note for example that it was
>enver included in the remasters series that Page oversaw.
OK, point taken. But you sure have to wonder who was on what when the
final product was green-lighted. Same with whoever decided to make
plastic vomit.
> And as for why a
>sub-par product would be released while a band is still active, one might
>wonder the
>same thing about the Keys to Ascension video.
Wait a minute! Who vom-- ok, who's the smartass?
Jeremy Weissenburger
"John Hopkins" <dar...@attbi.com> wrote:
The film/album had actually been shelved in 1973, never intended to be
released because of what was perceived by the band to be a mediocre
performance. It only saw the light of day because of a decision that the
band needed to fill a void of 18 months due to Robert Plant's personal
problems (he suffered a badly fractured leg in an auto accident and it was
feared that he would never walk again without a cane).
First of all, The Song Remains the Same was out of date - the film was shot
well before the release of the band's monumental Physical Graffiti album
and, obviously, contained none of that album's material. Secondly, the band
members themselves lament to this very day that this was their only live
performance officially captured for posterity. They were at the end of an
extensive American tour at the time and were understandably exhausted.
--Jeremy
John Hopkins
<jweisse...@comcast.net> hollered:
>Secondly, the band
>members themselves lament to this very day that this was their only live
>performance officially captured for posterity. They were at the end of an
>extensive American tour at the time and were understandably exhausted.
And so, apparently, was their manager. Gawd, what an arrogant ass.
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
The perl poetry is the one that always got to me.
Michel Forest
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:59:13 GMT, Jeremy Weissenburger
> <jweisse...@comcast.net> hollered:
>
> >Secondly, the band
> >members themselves lament to this very day that this was their only live
> >performance officially captured for posterity. They were at the end of an
> >extensive American tour at the time and were understandably exhausted.
>
> And so, apparently, was their manager. Gawd, what an arrogant ass.
If I was a rock musician, I would like a manager like the late Peter Grant:
extremely loyal to his act, honest and capable of bullying just about anybody
who'd get in my way. You need someone like that in the biz.
Theus
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Perl is a computer language. It is possible to write code in it that
both rhymes and makes sense if you read it as if it were English.
The code also has to run properly. They actually have contests for this.
Theus
> In article <Hoh89.10074$_75.5...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> Theus <W...@cares.com> wrote:
> > Perl poetry? I must confess my ignorance. What exactly is that?
>
> Perl is a computer language. It is possible to write code in it that
> both rhymes and makes sense if you read it as if it were English.
> The code also has to run properly. They actually have contests for this.
>
higher.
SoumenT
he's taken care of his voice about as well as OJ took care of Nicole.
Chris Oberst
wrote:
>On 19 Aug 2002 03:43:12 GMT, stev...@aol.com (Cannot Understand Why
>You Dis AOL) hollered:
>>I saw Led Zeppelin ...they certainly did not suck live. As the BBC
>>recordings prove.
>>
>>One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
>
>No, but it was the official live album/movie they decided to release
>while the band was still active, which, if they *were* a whole lotta
>better than that, is pretty mistifying.
The key word--it was a MOVIE. Not cheap to film--or re-film if
necessary. Now that everything is shot on video bands can release a
lot more performance footage, but such was not the case in 1973 when
TSRTS was filmed.
Christopher Oberst
http://www.mp3.com/ChristophOberst
Jeremy Weissenburger
"SoumenT" <sou...@aol.com> wrote:
> well, fuck him. His voice is shot; i recently saw him do a VH1 storytellers
> he's taken care of his voice about as well as OJ took care of Nicole.
He hasn't screeched like in the old days for a while. But I still like his
voice. Not every singer's voice is going to persevere like Jon's.
--Jeremy
Chris Oberst
<for...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>John Hopkins a écrit :
>
>> On 19 Aug 2002 03:43:12 GMT, stev...@aol.com (Cannot Understand Why
>> You Dis AOL) hollered:
>> >One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
>>
>> No, but it was the official live album/movie they decided to release
>> while the band was still active, which, if they *were* a whole lotta
>> better than that, is pretty mistifying.
>
>I've heard Zep bootlegs that were much better than the official live album.
I've also heard Zep boots that were much worse--ie; anything I've
heard from the '77 tour. The band seemed to think that playing for
four hours would make up for the fact that Page was too strung out to
play even one coherent guitar solo. Now, if you listen to the BBC
recordings, that is a band firing on all cylinders. I knew someone
who saw Zeppelin on their first couple of U.S. tours in '69-70 and he
swore that everything went downhill for them after that period. Of
course, he also put down Zeppelin IV, so I guess he's pretty
hardcore!!
Christopher Oberst
http://www.mp3.com/ChristophOberst
John Hopkins
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:54:22 GMT, John Hopkins <dar...@attbi.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 19 Aug 2002 03:43:12 GMT, stev...@aol.com (Cannot Understand Why
> >You Dis AOL) hollered:
>
> >>I saw Led Zeppelin ...they certainly did not suck live. As the BBC
> >>recordings prove.
> >>
> >>One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
> >
> >No, but it was the official live album/movie they decided to release
> >while the band was still active, which, if they *were* a whole lotta
> >better than that, is pretty mistifying.
>
> The key word--it was a MOVIE.
It was also an ALBUM. Which I listened to once and promptly went back
to the altar of Made In Japan and Yessongs - both live albums I've yet
to tire of.
> Not cheap to film--or re-film if
> necessary. Now that everything is shot on video bands can release a
> lot more performance footage, but such was not the case in 1973 when
> TSRTS was filmed.
I honestly don't know what you're getting at. I'm talking about a
lousy performance by the band, film or no film.
Paul Goodwin
"John Hopkins" <dar...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> >
> I honestly don't know what you're getting at. I'm talking about a
> lousy performance by the band, film or no film.
I think he's talking about recouping the no doubt sizeable investment of a
feature length shot-on-film concert. Lousy performance or no lousy
performance, production costs had to be paid for, and the only way to do
that is to release the film commercially, which they did.
Can't blame the makers of the film for the bands embarrassing "performance".
I find Zep to be enormously over-rated anyways.
--
Paul
Steve Derbes
Largely. But "Rocks" ('76) is, without doubt (no IMHO here) one of the ten
best "hard-rock" albums ever. How far and fast they fell from there may be
funny...just not "ha-ha" funny.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______
> -S.
>
Steve Derbes
"Cannot Understand Why You Dis AOL" <stev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I forgot to mention in my Aerosmith rant that I too agreed with almost every
word Plant said. And yes I am of the demographic you mention. Love to stay
and chat, but I'm off to see Yes. Ta!
>
>
>
>
>
> _______
> -S.
>
Chris Oberst
<pgoodwin2N...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>"John Hopkins" <dar...@attbi.com> wrote in message
>news:bd166e4e.02082...@posting.google.com...
>> >
>> I honestly don't know what you're getting at. I'm talking about a
>> lousy performance by the band, film or no film.
>
>I think he's talking about recouping the no doubt sizeable investment of a
>feature length shot-on-film concert. Lousy performance or no lousy
>performance, production costs had to be paid for, and the only way to do
>that is to release the film commercially, which they did.
Bingo!
I suppose the band could have chosen different performances for the
soundtrack album, as Yes did for much of Yessongs. Assuming anything
else was professionally recorded from that tour. That wasn't a given
in 1973.
Anyway, Zeppelin were in the position in 1976 where they could go
platinum with an album of bodily emission noises...the concert was
their only real commercial failure, I believe, and that only because
they attempted it on the scale of a mass-appeal movie, rather than the
"campus theater" scale, where it (and Yessongs and that Grateful Dead
movie) ultimately ended up having long and repeated residences.
Christopher Oberst
http://www.mp3.com/ChristophOberst
Kev
Watching it as a movie makes it even worse- there really are some
cringeworthy moments like Plants 'adventures' during the song remains
the same & the rain song, and John Paul Jones superb (not) acting at
the start, when given a list of tour dates - "this is tomorrow!".
Easily one of the worse movies I've ever seen.
Actually, I reckon there are a couple of good musical moments -
Stairway to Heaven and the Rain Song spring to mind. Most of it is
well rough, though.
--
Kev
Album reviews:
www.deepthought3.supanet.com/music/
Rich Forman
> recordings prove.
>
> One bad video doesn;t prove a band sucks.
>
> people who were teens/20's in the 70s would agree that Aerosmith
> have always been a joke , for example.
>
>
I've never cared for Aerosmith, really sound to me like a second-rate
Stones ripoff, but anyway, unlike anyone else so far on this thread, I
REALLY like "Dreamland." Bought it to hear the songs before I see
Plant do them live this weekend opening up for the Who, but anyway, I
think it's got a a great, intense, bluesy/psychedelic vibe and is a
very brave, adventurous move in the sense that it's not at all what
you'd expect and certainly doesn't pander to any commercial
sensibilities. The album, although based in blues, has a completely
distinctive unique sound all its own, no rock-n-roll cliches, very
little guitar in the usual sense, the instrumentation is strange,
inventive, evocative, no "catchy" melodies or pop hooks...it's much
more personal than that, and takes a few listenings, preferably
driving in the dark on a back road, to get into and appreciate. IMO.
richforman
John T/CountV
say:
> The album, although based in blues, has a completely
> distinctive unique sound all its own, no rock-n-roll cliches, very
> little guitar in the usual sense, the instrumentation is strange,
> inventive, evocative, no "catchy" melodies or pop hooks...
See, I *knew* this would be the one to rival Shaken N' Stirred.
Next week, I go buy this and Barry Adamson's latest.
--
CountV/John T
I long for a land of the free and a home of the brave. Incidentally, I also
want to go the US.