What does the word "khatru" mean?
Ric K
'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
Thanks,
Ric
Yann Clochec
<r...@antispamtechnologist.com>, lost in all the noise, silently
whispered :
>OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
>'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
Jon said at the time it meant something in Yemenite (sorry but I don't
remember what ;-), but since there does not exist a Yemenite language
(they speak Arabic there), the most likely answer is that Jon invented
the word and its supposed meaning and used it just because it sounds
good in the context of the song.
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the more we lie, the more we hide, all we need is to believe in ourselves,
we face the truth, we see it clear, with no disguise. Chris Squire.
John Gonzales
> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
> 'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
>
> Thanks,
> Ric
Whether there is a Yemeni language or not, some have previously noted on here
that it's Yemeni for
"as you will" or "as you wish".
John
Henry Potts
>Ric K wrote
>> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
>> 'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
>
>on here that it's Yemeni for "as you will" or "as you wish".
They speak Arabic in the Yemen, although they may well be a Yemeni
dialect. So, what's the Arabic for "as you will"?
--
Henry
Brian Zischkau
>OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
>'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
>
>Thanks,
>Ric
>
In 1973 Jon said about Siberian Khatru:
"Khatru" is just alot of interesting words, though it does relate to the dreams of
clear summer days. The title means winter, but it is meant to be the opposite.
Brian
Miguel
but I can't stop thinking that way
Miguel - Squire Fan #1
Coimbra, PORTUGAL
Yann Clochec <yclo...@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:27:13 -0400, from all of eternity, "Ric K"
> <r...@antispamtechnologist.com>, lost in all the noise, silently
> whispered :
>
> >OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
> >'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
>
Chaz
of Yes, said:
"I don't think anybody has ever worked out what a 'Siberian Khatru' is
exactly. I have seen interviews with Jon over the years when he's been asked
that question and he once came up with quite a clever answer. He said that
Khatru is Siberian for 'As You Wish'. It could mean whatever you want it to
mean. But I don't know if he was just saying that. Really he just liked the
sound of the word. I don't think he cared too much if 'Siberian Khatru'
really meant anything. Jon went through a phase where he looked upon his
voice as another instrument in the band as opposed to being there to deliver
love songs....'
Chaz
NP: Marillion "Chelsea Monday" from 'The Thieving Magpie'
Brian Zischkau <don't.s...@me.com> wrote in message
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Terrell Miller
>Khatru-Women in Science Fiction
>
>(the still mysterious) James Tiptree, Jr.
no mystery. Alice Sheldon was a clinical psychologist in
Massachusetts, IIRC, before she retired and began her second career.
She died several years ago. As far as the pseudonyms, James was her
husband's name, her breakfast that morning was from a jar of Tiptree
marmalade, and the Jr. was extra camouflage. Her other pseudonym was
Raccoona Sheldon, because she had raccoons in her back yard.
Gotta say, she was the most readable of the 70s feminist sf writers,
at least to my taste. Probably because she spent more effort on plot
and less on the "feelings dialogue" of her characters, which seems to
be a hallmark of women's fiction.
terrel...@mindspring.com Ordo Pantheris
"If we're not supposed to eat animals,
then how come they're made out of meat?"
-Doug Doty
Steven Sullivan
: Khatru is a word made up by Yes and is without definition.
: Lesbian, feminist, sci-fi, whore-slut bitches
My, such intemperate language, Andrew. But please keep it up; it'll make
for a better file when you get reported to Deja. Since you've been making
so many friends here, I 'spect that'll be sooner rather than later.
--
-S.
olia...@my-deja.com
Henry Potts <he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
> John Gonzales <gonz...@pdq.net> wrote
> >> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up.
What is a
> >> 'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
> >
> >on here that it's Yemeni for "as you will" or "as you wish".
>
> They speak Arabic in the Yemen, although they may well be a Yemeni
> dialect. So, what's the Arabic for "as you will"?
> --
> Henry
Henry,
I doubt your question was rhetorical so here is the answer. The Yemeni
arabic expression for "as you wish or as you will" is "KAMA TOREED."
This is still quite far from "Khatru" so it cannot be Yemeni. The quest
continues. Perhaps Jon did just make it up? One of us will get up the
courage to ask him one of these days. Maybe Wendypoems can help?
Dave R.
>
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Jeff Smith
Ross Jacobs <ross_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Khatru is a word made up by Yes and is without definition.
>
in
> the mid-1970s to push their propaganda.
I hesitate to even respond, but no-one "adopted this term" to describe
*any* propaganda. The "Women in Science Fiction" symposium was published
in an issue of the science fiction fanzine KHATRU, which was so named
because the editor was (and is) a Yes fan.
It's kind of amusing to think of "khatru" coming to mean "lesbian,
feminist, sci-fi, whore-slut bitch propaganda," but it doesn't, and I
don't imagine it ever will.
If it did, though, some of the logos for the fanzine would look great on
t-shirts.
Jeff Smith
editor
KHATRU (defunct)
Jeff Smith
terrel...@mindspring.com wrote:
> >(the still mysterious) James Tiptree, Jr.
>
> no mystery. Alice Sheldon was a clinical psychologist in
> Massachusetts, IIRC, before she retired and began her second career.
> She died several years ago. As far as the pseudonyms, James was her
> husband's name, her breakfast that morning was from a jar of Tiptree
> marmalade, and the Jr. was extra camouflage. Her other pseudonym was
> Raccoona Sheldon, because she had raccoons in her back yard.
>
> Gotta say, she was the most readable of the 70s feminist sf writers,
> at least to my taste. Probably because she spent more effort on plot
> and less on the "feelings dialogue" of her characters, which seems to
> be a hallmark of women's fiction.
>
> terrel...@mindspring.com Ordo Pantheris
Trust me, Terrell, she's still mysterious. Alli Sheldon was a friend of
mine, and there was a *lot* going on with her. A biography is being
written about her, and there's a lot of stuff the biographer hasn't been
able to come up with.
Her amazing "career" started when she was four, and her parents took her
on African safaris, and to other places in the world. She was a
debutante in Chicago society, the art columnist for a Chicago paper, she
enlisted in the Women's Army Air Corps during World War II and
eventually ended up in photointelligence. She was a painter, she ran an
egg hatchery, she eventually went back to college and got a degree in
research psychology. With that she went into teaching, and in between
grading papers she wrote science fiction stories. The "James" was a
deliberately-bland made-up name (her husband's name was Huntington, and
everybody called him "Ting"), the Tiptree *did* come from the preserves
(she told me she saw the name on the shelf in the supermarket), the
"Jr." was Ting's idea ("extra camouflage" is a good way to put it).
I'm glad you liked her fiction, which I think was exceptional. I liked a
lot of the other women writers of that time, too, though--Ursula Le Guin
tops the list, I think.
In February 2000, Tor Books will publish her final collection: a major
short novel completed in the last year of her life, some minor short
stories not included in any of her other books, and a huge selection of
her essays and letters (most of the letters were written to me). I'm the
editor of the book, which will be called MEET ME AT INFINITY. She was a
fascinating, wonderful person, and I think people will enjoy reading the
essays and letters, many of which contain chunks of autobiography, of an
incredible life.
I had sent her a tape of Yes music, which she hadn't really enjoyed. But
here's a nice little tidbit not in either MEET ME AT INFINITY or the
forthcoming biography:
We all thought "Tiptree" was not the writer's real name, but at any rate
it was the pseudonym for a man, and it was shocking when we discovered
that "Uncle Tip" (as "he" sometimes referred to "himself" in the
correspondence he carried on with many people in the science fiction
world) was a woman. When she wrote to me confessing the truth, worried
that I would feel betrayed by her deception, she sat in her house
playing my Yes tape, and wrote in her diary "Is this the last time I'll
be able to say: A *friend* sent me this?"
It wasn't.
Jeff Smith
Jeff Smith
> arabic expression for "as you wish or as you will" is "KAMA TOREED."
> This is still quite far from "Khatru" so it cannot be Yemeni. The
quest
> continues. Perhaps Jon did just make it up? One of us will get up the
> courage to ask him one of these days. Maybe Wendypoems can help?
>
> Dave R.
>
I have to say, I don't think "kama toreed" and "khatru" are *that* far
apart. Two different people saying the word in conversation, and two
other people trying to write it down, could easily come up with
spellings that different.
stab...@aol.com
> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
> 'khatru'? How did the song get it's name?
>
> Ric
Khatru’ means ‘as you wish’ in Yemeni
jimge...@gmail.com
ye...@hotmail.com
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Paul "Gesundheit!" Goodwin
pcth...@msn.com
> In 1989, doing some lovely chat show, someone asked Jon about some of the lyrics that seemed to be nonsense. Jon replied that his voice was an instrument, and some words are a beautiful sound. Jim Keever Co
Sometimes the words are just filler so he can sing, other times meaning, and sometimes when it means something it's hard to tell what.
Which is part of why I loved his lyrics so much in the classic YES period
Adam
heck they were about at least half the time.
pcth...@msn.com
>
> They were fun, weren't they? I kind of liked that I had no idea what the
>
> heck they were about at least half the time.
We'd ponder and discuss the meaning endlessly and other times just let the soaring nature of the words and music take us away.
Album sides, new sounds that were groundbreaking and breathtaking with each new record... ahh classic YES
Jim
Ross Jacobs
Lesbian, feminist, sci-fi, whore-slut bitches took adopted this term in
the mid-1970s to push their propaganda. See below for reference URLs
and excerpt.
--
Ross
http://www.tiptree.org/catalog.html#Khatru
http://www.wenet.net/~lquilter/femsf/confs.html
Khatru-Women in Science Fiction
Originally published by Jeffrey D. Smith in 1975, this symposium on
women in SF included some of the most well-known writers (plus an
agent) of 70s feminist science fiction: Vonda N. McIntyre, Virginia
Kidd, Suzy McKee Charnas, Kate Wilhelm, Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, (the
still mysterious) James Tiptree, Jr., Samuel Delany, Joanna Russ,
Raylyn Moore, Luise White and Jeffrey D. Smith. In spite of the long-
ago date of publication, the opinions expressed by Khatru's
participants are amazingly radical. Besides the original symposium,
this publication includes new material by original participants and
commentary by others, including Jane Hawkins, Mog Decarnin, Pat Murphy,
Karen Joy Fowler, Gwyneth Jones, and Jeanne Gomoll.
dmarac...@gmail.com
MarkF
> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
> 'khatru'?
1) "I am calling for a total and complete shutdown of Khatru entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
2) "I will build a great Khatru – and nobody builds a Khatru better than me, believe me — and I'll build it very inexpensively. I will build a great, great Khatru on the south side of the sky, and I will make Mexico pay for that Khatru. Mark my words."
3) "He referred to my Khatru, if it's too small, then something else must be small... I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee it."
4) "You could see there was Khatru coming out of her eyes... Khatru coming out of her wherever..."
5) "Siberia, Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the Khatru that is missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
6) "I know more about Khatru than Jon Anderson does, believe me... "
bookgu...@gmail.com
bookgu...@gmail.com
> : Khatru is a word made up by Yes and is without definition.
>
> : Lesbian, feminist, sci-fi, whore-slut bitches
>
>
>
> for a better file when you get reported to Deja. Since you've been making
> so many friends here, I 'spect that'll be sooner rather than later.
>
>
>
>
> --
> -S.
bookgu...@gmail.com
> In article <7q8b2o$14a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > Khatru is a word made up by Yes and is without definition.
> >
> in
> > the mid-1970s to push their propaganda.
>
>
> *any* propaganda. The "Women in Science Fiction" symposium was published
> in an issue of the science fiction fanzine KHATRU, which was so named
> because the editor was (and is) a Yes fan.
>
> It's kind of amusing to think of "khatru" coming to mean "lesbian,
> feminist, sci-fi, whore-slut bitch propaganda," but it doesn't, and I
> don't imagine it ever will.
>
> If it did, though, some of the logos for the fanzine would look great on
> t-shirts.
>
> Jeff Smith
> editor
> KHATRU (defunct)
>
>
brucerco...@gmail.com
> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
>
> Thanks,
> Ric
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MarkF
> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and
> I give up. What is a 'khatru'?
with the Dalai Lama. He was told he must first spend
eighteen years in contemplation.
After the 18 years, he was ushered into the Dalai Lama's
presence, who said, "Well, my son, what is it you wish to
know?"
So the pilgrim said, "I wish to know the meaning of khatru,
father."
And the Dalai Lama smiled and said, "Well my son,
'khatru' is just 'urtahk' spelled backwards... isn't it?"
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webm...@adrianxw.dk
> OK, I've searched all the Internet dictionaries and I give up. What is a
>
> Thanks,
> Ric