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Shel Talmy horror story about Kit Lambert

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Svante Börjesson

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Nov 26, 2003, 12:48:27 PM11/26/03
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Hi all!

I read this in #11 of "Who's News" that I found on Joe Giorgianni's site.
(Thanks Joe!)

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ST: No doubt about it, he was an egomaniac. There was a story going around
at that time which is kind of interesting. I don't know if you've heard it.
Kit went on a ... I don't know if a safari is the right word but let's call
it a safari, in the Amazon with his best friend at the time from wherever he
went to college, Oxford or Cambridge. As the story goes, this may be totally
apocryphal, I don't know, but they ran into a party of slightly
obstrepourous natives who killed his friend and shrank his head. From that
point on Kit was never the same. (Laughter) If it's not a true story then it
should be.
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Now, is there *any* truth in this? I find it weird that Shel Talmy would
laugh about it if it were at all true.

Link: http://www.thewho.org/whosnews/11.pdf

Regards,
Svante

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David Bourke

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Nov 26, 2003, 3:18:55 PM11/26/03
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> Now, is there *any* truth in this?

Almost. They actually enlarged Shel Talmy's head.


db


Svante Börjesson

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Nov 26, 2003, 3:56:19 PM11/26/03
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Haha... well, yea I know it's pretty much a battle of the egos, but still
was there any truth in it. Like: Did Kit Lambert ever go to the amazonas?

It's possible Kit Lambert had a friend of his die in Brazil or something and
was affected by it. *That* would make sense. Talmy's version just seems...
erm...unreal.

- S

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London Calling

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Nov 26, 2003, 10:58:06 PM11/26/03
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It's an exaggeration. I don't remember the exact details, but Kit and
friend organised a trip deep into the jungle, in the midst of which
Kit was taken seriously ill with something or other and had to be
rushed back out to a Hospital...well as fast as you can be rushed
hacking your way through jungle trails and canoing down rarely
travelled rivers! Apparently the trip was pretty ill-prepared and was
dogged with problems from day one. Nobody had their head shrunk.

La Paz

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Nov 27, 2003, 4:08:52 AM11/27/03
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"Svante Börjesson" <sva...@dontreplyhere.com> wrote in message
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> Haha... well, yea I know it's pretty much a battle of the egos, but still
> was there any truth in it. Like: Did Kit Lambert ever go to the amazonas?
>
> It's possible Kit Lambert had a friend of his die in Brazil or something
and
> was affected by it. *That* would make sense. Talmy's version just seems...
> erm...unreal.
>
> - S

G'day

According to Tony Fletcher in his bio of Keith, in 1961 Kit joined an
expedition to chart the undescended River Iriri in Brazil - a pretty foolish
idea for a bloke with no experience at that kind of thing!
They ran short on supplies and one of them headed back to Rio to top up but
ran bang smack into the middle of a revolution.
When he returned to the others, one of them had been killed by a tribe of
Indians and Lambert was very sick.

pp98 for anyone that's got the book :-)

Cheers
La Paz


Svante Börjesson

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Nov 27, 2003, 6:05:19 AM11/27/03
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Hi!

Yes, that makes more sense, even though it is a wild story. So basically it
was true just told badly.

Btw, anybody read the book "The Lamberts: George, Constant and Kit"?

- S

Brian in Atlanta

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Nov 27, 2003, 6:54:05 AM11/27/03
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> Btw, anybody read the book "The Lamberts: George, Constant and Kit"?

Yes. I grabbed it out of my Who library. Here's some of the pertinent
details from pp.290-1:

Kit explained that Mason had decided to return to the river camp and had
been ambushed by Indians. Kit, when Mason was overdue, went to look for him
and found him dead, 'with arrows and clubs all around him on the path,'
Hemming said, 'and the top of his head taken off. A long-range hunting party
of Indians had just found our path (possibly attracted by the smoke signals)
and laid an ambush and got him.' They were, it turned out, an unknown tribe,
later identified as the Kren-Akrore, but after contact was made with them in
1971 most of them fell victim to measles....
...According to Daria, Kit 'had nightmares about Brazil for the next four or
five years'.

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Svante Börjesson

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Nov 27, 2003, 9:00:52 AM11/27/03
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Hi!

Thanks for that info Brian. Here's more on the subject:
http://www.estadao.com.br/villasboas/ebooks/ebook2/indexen01.htm?pag=7

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John Hemming:
There remained one belligerent tribe near the Xingu: the Panará. (This tribe
was then known as Kren-Akrore, a Kayapó name for people with round haircuts,
and they were thought to be giants because one of their youths, captured by
the Mentuktire, grew to extraordinary height.) I myself was on an expedition
in 1961, with the IBGE (Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatística)
surveying the upper Iriri, near FAB's new Cachimbo airstrip, when a hunting
party of Panará laid an ambush on our main. picada and killed my friend
Richard Manson. Six years later, a group of these people appeared peacefully
on Cachimbo airstrip; but FAB overreacted with a massive military operation
that frightened them off.
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Seems to me that we struck maybe the main reason why the recording
partnership Talmy-the Who broke down. Talmy belittled and made fun of
something that was close to Lambert's heart (ie psychological health) and
something he found very serious. It was highly emotional rather than strict
financial.

- S


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