The least virtuoso progressive rock bands - Jethro Tull and Genesis
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
My question to ROCK fans
- Does that fact that Genesis and Jethro Tull are more arty (more
meaningful and socially relevant lyrics) than the rest and less wanky
than the rest make you like Genesis and Jethro Tull better?
My question to PROG fans
- Does that fact that Genesis and Jethro Tull are more arty (more
meaningful and socially relevant lyrics) than the rest and less wanky
than the rest make you like Genesis and Jethro Tull lesser?
DGDevin
"Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Raja"--call your mother, ask her if as a child you were ever dropped on
your head.
Ray
wrote:
You are a moron. Steve Hackett was one of the most technically capable
guitarists in the prog rock movement.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
Peter Gabriel did not have a great range, Phil Collins was technically
just okay. Mike Rutherford was not a vituoso by any means. Only Tony
Banks can really lay a claim. There are many great guitarists out
there who are technically more capable than Steve Hackett.
Mark Rae
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> You are a moron.
He's the reason that you have a killfile.
TheWalrusWasDanny
> Peter Gabriel did not have a great range, Phil Collins was technically
> just okay. Mike Rutherford was not a vituoso by any means. Only Tony
> Banks can really lay a claim. There are many great guitarists out
You're talking bollocks Raja..utter bollocks...
Danny
BassPlyr23
wrote:
Mike Rutherford not a virtuoso? Have you ever heard his bass playing,
especially on "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" album? The guy's
amazing! Granted, he's not a great lead guitarist, but his bass
playing matches up to anything Chris Squire has done. Although he's
still a step short of The Great God Entwistle.
Good thing you backtracked and gave Tony Banks the props he has due.
This way, I can only call you an AMAZING asshole, which on my scale
is a step short of being a COMPLETE asshole.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> On Feb 20, 8:42 pm, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > Peter Gabriel did not have a great range, Phil Collins was technically
> > > just okay. Mike Rutherford was not a vituoso by any means. Only Tony
> > > Banks can really lay a claim. There are many great guitarists out
> > > there who are technically more capable than Steve Hackett.-
>
> > You're talking bollocks Raja..utter bollocks...
>
> > Danny
>
> Mike Rutherford not a virtuoso? Have you ever heard his bass playing,
> especially on "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" album? The guy's
> amazing! Granted, he's not a great lead guitarist, but his bass
> playing matches up to anything Chris Squire has done. Although he's
> still a step short of The Great God Entwistle.
lol... yeah... I consider Squire better than Entwistle. As well as
John Paul Jones. So it is all matter of taste. Its not all about the
leads. I never said Rutherford is not a good bassist. Virtuoso, I
think not. Neither was Roger Glover from Deep Purple, but he was a
good bassist as well.
>
> Good thing you backtracked and gave Tony Banks the props he has due.
> This way, I can only call you an AMAZING asshole, which on my scale
> is a step short of being a COMPLETE asshole.
lol, I don't like Tony Banks though. I think he ruined many of the
songs by overplaying.
DGDevin
> lol... yeah... I consider Squire better than Entwistle. As well as
> John Paul Jones. So it is all matter of taste.
No, "Raja," it isn't about taste, because you have none beyond your blind
worship of a handful of bands (and the misunderstood bits and pieces of
criticism you steal from the websites you haunt). You don't play bass, you
don't understand what Entwistle (and a few others) did with the instrument
in the mid-60s that revolutionized how it was played and the role it had in
popular music. Your view is that the members of those few bands that give
you a tiny erection are by definition the best in the world and everybody
else must be inferior to them because they don't play in your fave bands, it
is classic fanboi behavior.
So here's your assignment for next week:
1) Listen to complete albums by five artists you have never heard before.
2) Take those Led Zep and Pink Floyd posters off your living room wall.
3) Talk to a woman you don't work with.
Completing all three will be a tiny step towards becoming a man instead of a
giant virgin fanboi musical tourist.
John Cocktolstoy
do...@webtv.net
'Ma-ha' asked questins. In the same style:
A question to 'Ma-Ha':
Do you wipe your ass with your bare hand and then wipe it on your robe?
progea
Jales
> Of all the popular and highly rate prog bands Jethro Tull and Genesis
> are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
> even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
> Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
If you really think Pink Floyd are more virtuoso than Jethro Tull and
Genesis, you either don't know what "virtuoso" means or have some
problem with your ears.. Pink Floyd are by far the least virtuoso of
all the bands you mention. They are average players, except maybe for
Gilmour, whom I wouldn't really call virtuoso, but an expresive guitar
player...
Pink Floyd songs are quite simple. They never got any "difficult" than
side two of Abbey Road or Tommy. Wright could never play something
like the intro to Locomotive Breath. Waters could never play the bass
solo on Bouree. Mason could never play like Collins. His most
difficult part must be the 7/4 beat on Money. Have you heard Supper's
Ready or Thick As A Brick? When did Pinf Floyd write stuff like that?
Where is the virtuosity on Atom Heart Mother or Animals? Don't you
realize the longer Floyd songs like Shine On You Crazy Diamond are
just different fragments put together side by side?
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> On 20 feb, 18:17, Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Of all the popular and highly rate prog bands Jethro Tull and Genesis
> > are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
> > even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
> > Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
>
> If you really think Pink Floyd are more virtuoso than Jethro Tull and
> Genesis, you either don't know what "virtuoso" means or have some
> problem with your ears.. Pink Floyd are by far the least virtuoso of
> all the bands you mention. They are average players, except maybe for
> Gilmour, whom I wouldn't really call virtuoso, but an expresive guitar
> player...
I think everyone in Pink Floyd slow solos. That does make them less of
virtuosos. They made slow because their music was slow and moody and
atmospheric. In Piper they do play some fast stuff, but they didn't
keep the same sound for long with the departure of Barrett.
I think Waters and Wright were more talented than Gilmour by the way.
Gilmour was way more calculated than the other two.
Check this out.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iA7wdO00VI
>
> Pink Floyd songs are quite simple.
Oh yeah, did your band ever try Interstellar Overdrive and Astronomy
Domine or Pow R Toch H. How about Lucifer Sam? How about the music on
Money or Any Colour You like? How about Echoes? How about Atom Heart
Mother? How is all that easy?
> They never got any "difficult" than
> side two of Abbey Road or Tommy. Wright could never play something
> like the intro to Locomotive Breath. Waters could never play the bass
> solo on Bouree. Mason could never play like Collins. His most
> difficult part must be the 7/4 beat on Money. Have you heard Supper's
> Ready or Thick As A Brick? When did Pinf Floyd write stuff like that?
> Where is the virtuosity on Atom Heart Mother or Animals? Don't you
> realize the longer Floyd songs like Shine On You Crazy Diamond are
> just different fragments put together side by side?
They weren't musically that good after TDSOTM. I always felt they sold
out after seeing the money come in with The Dark Side Of The Moon.
They might have become better songwriters... but musically nothing was
innovative after Dark Side.
Tony Elka
<4e1f6adc-e6c0-4642...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think everyone in Pink Floyd slow solos. That does make them less of
> virtuosos. They made slow because their music was slow and moody and
> atmospheric. In Piper they do play some fast stuff, but they didn't
> keep the same sound for long with the departure of Barrett.
vir�tu�o�so [vur-choo-oh-soh]
�noun
1. a person who has special knowledge or skill in a field.
2. a person who excels in musical technique or execution.
3. a person who has a cultivated appreciation of artistic excellence, as
a connoisseur or collector of objects of art, antiques,etc.
4. Obsolete. a person who has special interest or knowledge in the arts
and sciences; scientist; scholar.
�adjective
5. Also, vir�tu�os�ic ?[vur-choo-os-ik] Show IPA. of, pertaining to, or
characteristic of a virtuoso: a virtuoso performance.
Origin:
1610�20; < It: versed, skilled < LL virtuosus virtuous
Jales
> On Feb 21, 9:38 am, Jales <jales...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 20 feb, 18:17, Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Of all the popular and highly rate prog bands Jethro Tull and Genesis
> > > are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
> > > even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
> > > Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
>
> > If you really think Pink Floyd are more virtuoso than Jethro Tull and
> > Genesis, you either don't know what "virtuoso" means or have some
> > problem with your ears.. Pink Floyd are by far the least virtuoso of
> > all the bands you mention. They are average players, except maybe for
> > Gilmour, whom I wouldn't really call virtuoso, but an expresive guitar
> > player...
>
> I think everyone in Pink Floyd slow solos. That does make them less of
> virtuosos. They made slow because their music was slow and moody and
> atmospheric. In Piper they do play some fast stuff, but they didn't
> keep the same sound for long with the departure of Barrett.
>
I was right: you don't know what "virtuoso" means. Here's a definition
from Wikipedia:
In Music in the Western World by Piero Weiss and Richard Taruskin, we
find the following definition of virtuoso: "...a virtuoso was,
originally, a highly accomplished musician, but by the nineteenth
century the term had become restricted to performers, both vocal and
instrumental, whose technical accomplishments were so pronounced as to
dazzle the public."
The defining element of virtuosity is the performance ability of the
musician in question, who is capable of displaying feats of skill well
above the average performer. Musicians focused on virtuosity are
commonly[vague] criticized for overlooking substance and emotion in
favor of raw technical prowess. Despite the mechanical aspects of
virtuosity, many virtuosi successfully avoid such labels, focusing
simultaneously on other musical aspects while writing and performing
music.
By going with your concept of "virtuoso" we shall conclude, for
example, George Harrison is a virtuoso...
>
>
> > Pink Floyd songs are quite simple.
>
> Oh yeah, did your band ever try Interstellar Overdrive and Astronomy
> Domine or Pow R Toch H. How about Lucifer Sam? How about the music on
> Money or Any Colour You like? How about Echoes? How about Atom Heart
> Mother? How is all that easy?
The songs on Pet Sounds are by far more complex than the ones you
mention. I won't even bother to name examples from Genesis or Jethro
Tull
bubba
wrote:
> On Feb 21, 9:38 am, Jales <jales...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 20 feb, 18:17, Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Of all the popular and highly rate prog bands Jethro Tull and Genesis
> > > are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
> > > even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
> > > Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
>
> > If you really think Pink Floyd are more virtuoso than Jethro Tull and
> > Genesis, you either don't know what "virtuoso" means or have some
> > problem with your ears.. Pink Floyd are by far the least virtuoso of
> > all the bands you mention. They are average players, except maybe for
> > Gilmour, whom I wouldn't really call virtuoso, but an expresive guitar
> > player...
>
> I think everyone in Pink Floyd slow solos. That does make them less of
> virtuosos. They made slow because their music was slow and moody and
> atmospheric. In Piper they do play some fast stuff, but they didn't
> keep the same sound for long with the departure of Barrett.
>
> I think Waters and Wright were more talented than Gilmour by the way.
> Gilmour was way more calculated than the other two.
>
>
>
>
> > Pink Floyd songs are quite simple.
>
> Oh yeah, did your band ever try Interstellar Overdrive and Astronomy
> Domine or Pow R Toch H. How about Lucifer Sam? How about the music on
> Money or Any Colour You like? How about Echoes? How about Atom Heart
> Mother? How is all that easy?
>
> > They never got any "difficult" than
> > side two of Abbey Road or Tommy. Wright could never play something
> > like the intro to Locomotive Breath. Waters could never play the bass
> > solo on Bouree. Mason could never play like Collins. His most
> > difficult part must be the 7/4 beat on Money. Have you heard Supper's
> > Ready or Thick As A Brick? When did Pinf Floyd write stuff like that?
> > Where is the virtuosity on Atom Heart Mother or Animals? Don't you
> > realize the longer Floyd songs like Shine On You Crazy Diamond are
> > just different fragments put together side by side?
>
> They weren't musically that good after TDSOTM. I always felt they sold
> out after seeing the money come in with The Dark Side Of The Moon.
> They might have become better songwriters... but musically nothing was
> innovative after Dark Side.
RAJA HAS A TINY PENIS AND NO FRIENDS
Ray
>
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Gee, I never realized that. Now you’ll have to explain you methodology
to me.
Phil Collins, was he “adequate” only on the Genesis records? Does that
apply to his work with Brand X? You have listened to the Brand X
records right? What about the drumming on Seconds Out? Is that ‘merely
adequate’? Just wondering.
And I’m VERY interested in your criteria for evaluating the inferior
guitar playing of Steve Hackett. I’m wondering, which do you think is
more difficult: Playing lots of notes really fast or playing
microtonal oblique bends in time and in tune over an irrational meter?
Can you even tap your foot in time with the guitar parts in “Supper’s
Ready?” Try it, bet you can’t (not that you would admit it).
Do you know that the reason “Money” changes from 5/4 time to 4/4 time
for the guitar solo? Did you even know that it does that?
Have you ever listened to “Foxtrot”, “Nursery Crime” or “Lamb Lies
Down On Broadway”? All the way through? Can you tell the guitar parts
from the synths and keyboards in those records? Can you tell me what’s
significant about what Hackett does with the intro to “Return of the
Giant Hogweed”?
How long have you been playing guitar and drums? Long enough to
evaluate what is and is not difficult to play?
And what exactly do you mean by “Peter Gabriel did not have a great
range” … what is his range? Do you even know?
You know fuckall about music, stick to tennis.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
See this is the problems with nerds. They get too technical and forget
the real essence of music. For me it is about the feel and beauty of
music. Not about playing it in 7/4 or 5/4.
> for the guitar solo? Did you even know that it does that?
> Have you ever listened to “Foxtrot”, “Nursery Crime” or “Lamb Lies
> Down On Broadway”?
Foxtrot, Yes. The Lamb Lies Down... long back... but I cannot sit
through it... has a few good songs I must admit. I just listened to
Nursery Cryme all the way yesterday... didnt think much of it except
the opening track. I have transferred it from my ipod to iphone. I
will listen to it again and see if I missed something yesterday. Don't
have too much hopes from the album... seems like immature Genesis to
me. The core three are Foxtrot, SEBTP and TLLDOB
> All the way through? Can you tell the guitar parts
> from the synths and keyboards in those records? Can you tell me what’s
> significant about what Hackett does with the intro to “Return of the
> Giant Hogweed”?
> How long have you been playing guitar and drums? Long enough to
> evaluate what is and is not difficult to play?
> And what exactly do you mean by “Peter Gabriel did not have a great
> range” … what is his range? Do you even know?
>
> You know fuckall about music, stick to tennis.- Hide quoted text -
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> range” … what is his range? Do you even know?
He can neither go extremely high or extremely low... Freddie Mercury
could, King Diamond could, Robert Plant could, Jon Anderson could.
That doesnt mean he is a bad singer. You need not have a wide range to
be a good singer. I just feel he lacks the power that most of his
peers had. His voice is pleasant though. Not like say Bob Dylan or
Neil Young or Ian Anderson.
Ray
wrote:
Inability to answer the actual questions noted.
Ray
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Inability to answer the actual questions noted.
You want to throw the term vituoso around you should learn what it
means.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
You should try to be polite to people to get an answer. If you act
like a dick, no one will have a conversation with you.
DGDevin
And I�m VERY interested in your criteria for evaluating the inferior
guitar playing of Steve Hackett. I�m wondering, which do you think is
more difficult: Playing lots of notes really fast or playing
microtonal oblique bends in time and in tune over an irrational meter?
Can you even tap your foot in time with the guitar parts in �Supper�s
Ready?� Try it, bet you can�t (not that you would admit it).
Do you know that the reason �Money� changes from 5/4 time to 4/4 time
for the guitar solo? Did you even know that it does that?
Have you ever listened to �Foxtrot�, �Nursery Crime� or �Lamb Lies
Down On Broadway�? All the way through? Can you tell the guitar parts
from the synths and keyboards in those records? Can you tell me what�s
significant about what Hackett does with the intro to �Return of the
Giant Hogweed�?
How long have you been playing guitar and drums? Long enough to
evaluate what is and is not difficult to play?
And what exactly do you mean by �Peter Gabriel did not have a great
range� � what is his range? Do you even know?
You know fuckall about music, stick to tennis.
**********
Needless to say "Raja" ducked these questions like they were covered with
razor blades, proving once again that his judgmental rants are merely
borrowed from others and are not backed by an ounce of musical
understanding.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> "Ray" <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
My judgement is based on the music I listen to. I might read some
reviews for fun, but most of the time I do not agree with all the
points they make. Also, I make it a point, I listen to the album first
before reading a review.
The assumptions, you guys make about me are all hilarious. Its as if
you know me personally...lol
DGDevin
"Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Do you know that the reason �Money� changes from 5/4 time to 4/4 time
> See this is the problems with nerds. They get too technical and forget
> the real essence of music. For me it is about the feel and beauty of
> music. Not about playing it in 7/4 or 5/4.
Liar. You'll happily quote borrowed terminology when you think you can get
away with it, but generally you can't. You know so little about music that
you're forced to rely on what other people have written and even then you
usually get it wrong. Face it, "rocks out" is about the limit of your
ability to describe what happens in a piece of music. As I've said before,
reading your attempts to describe music is like listening to a five-year-old
explain how an airplane flies--there is zero understanding in both cases.
DGDevin
>> Inability to answer the actual questions noted.
>
>> You want to throw the term vituoso around you should learn what it
>> means.- Hide quoted text -
> You should try to be polite to people to get an answer. If you act
> like a dick, no one will have a conversation with you.
He politely asked you a series of questions about music, you not only ducked
the questions you called him a "nerd" and now you're calling him a "dick".
You're a complete fraud, "Raja," and everyone knows it.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> "Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ebe682c9-aa91-47b1...@b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Do you know that the reason “Money” changes from 5/4 time to 4/4 time
> > See this is the problems with nerds. They get too technical and forget
> > the real essence of music. For me it is about the feel and beauty of
> > music. Not about playing it in 7/4 or 5/4.
>
> Liar. You'll happily quote borrowed terminology when you think you can get
> away with it, but generally you can't.
I am a fan of Led Zeppelin, what do you expect? You know good
musicians borrow, great musicians steal. Its the same with reviewers.
Good reviews borrow, great reviewers steal. I might have stolen some
of those words. but the point is I am putting my honest opinions out
there, even if some of the words might be stolen.
> You know so little about music
What do I have know about music really? Like the technical aspects?
like what isA minor, C major, what is a triplet, or whatever the hell
they call it? You know John Bonham had no formal music training, yet
he is one of the most amazing drummers of all time. He knew what to do
based on the feel of the song. Thats why I do as well. I listen to
music and instinctively can separate the good ones from the bad ones.
Thats called having a musical ear or musical inclination. Few are
gifted with that. I consider myself gifted. You can laugh all you
want, but it doesnt bother me in any way.
> that
> you're forced to rely on what other people have written and even then you
> usually get it wrong.
There is no wrong or right opinion.
> Face it, "rocks out" is about the limit of your
> ability to describe what happens in a piece of music. As I've said before,
> reading your attempts to describe music is like listening to a five-year-old
> explain how an airplane flies--there is zero understanding in both cases.
I think you are being dishonest here, particularly because you
disagree with my opinion. So you would come up with any attack to
insult me. The problem is I already know you are a tool.
Tony Elka
<bfaf0a06-e4ee-4f99...@t1g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2:54�pm, Ray <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > And what exactly do you mean by �Peter Gabriel did not have a great
> > range� � what is his range? Do you even know?
>
> He can neither go extremely high or extremely low... Freddie Mercury
> could, King Diamond could, Robert Plant could, Jon Anderson could.
Jon Anderson can sing lower than Peter Gabriel? I never noticed that.
Suggestion: Do a google on Thurl Ravenscroft. Now there's a deep
fucking voice for the ages.
Tony
"You're a Mean One Mr. Grinch."
DGDevin
> I listen to
> music and instinctively can separate the good ones from the bad ones.
> Thats called having a musical ear or musical inclination. Few are
> gifted with that. I consider myself gifted.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Oh dear, I'm so glad I wasn't holding a hot cup of coffee when I read that.
Damn, was that funny!
> There is no wrong or right opinion.
Yes, "Raja," there is such a thing as a wrong opinion, as you demonstrate on
a daily basis.
> I think you are being dishonest here, particularly because you
> disagree with my opinion.
You don't have an opinion, "Raja," you have other people's opinions which
you have borrowed and mixed together in a horrific mish-mash of ignorance,
misunderstanding and foolishness. Think of it this way, "Raja". If you
describe a set of medical symptoms to a cab driver, a florist, and a
physician, they might all have an opinion on what is wrong with you, but
only the physician is likely to have a *useful* opinion. Your opinions
aren't useful, "Raja," both because of your ignorance and your determination
not to listen to people who actually know something about the subject.
You're a lost tourist convinced he knows more about the country than the
people who actually live there.
You've convinced yourself that your hare-brained views on rock music are
just as good as anyone else's despite not having grown up with that music,
having almost no experience of live rock music, and being massively ignorant
of rock music beyond what you've read on a limited range of fanboi websites.
At some point the fact that your opinions are greeted with universal
amusement and/or contempt from people who have lived and breathed rock music
most of their lives should be a big fat clue for you. Yet you plow ahead,
week after week, making one blunder after another, never quite able to
figure out why you're a laughing-stock.
"Gifted"? At masochism maybe, but certainly not at music.
mas�och�ism (ms-kzm)
n.
1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual
gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being
humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying
experiences.
DGDevin
>> Needless to say "Raja" ducked these questions like they were covered with
>> razor blades, proving once again that his judgmental rants are merely
>> borrowed from others and are not backed by an ounce of musical
>> understanding.
> My judgement is based on the music I listen to. I might read some
> reviews for fun, but most of the time I do not agree with all the
> points they make. Also, I make it a point, I listen to the album first
>before reading a review.
Your judgments are meaningless. You state that Guitarist A is better than
Guitarist B, but when asked to explain how he is better you run away because
you don't know. You could no more explain a piece of music in musical terms
than you could take apart a jet engine and reassemble it--you simply don't
know anything about it. So now you fall back on the feeble line that you
don't need a technical understanding of music because you have an
instinctive feel for music, a "gift". There's nobody here who didn't laugh
at that, "Raja," it's one of the funniest things you've ever written, and
you have provided a lot of unintentional comedy.
> The assumptions, you guys make about me are all hilarious. Its as if
> you know me personally...lol
What a horrible idea.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
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wow, you really lack something in life. you paste 3 paragraphs of
nothing but abuses to some unknown guy on the Internet. Either you
have serious issues or too much time on your hands.
Mark Rae
news:224ac33b-b6d5-45aa...@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Do you know that the reason �Money� changes from 5/4 time to 4/4 time
> for the guitar solo? Did you even know that it does that?
Er, "Money" begins and ends in 7/8, not 5/8...
DGDevin
"Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c9ea9975-1c0e-46f0...@33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> wow, you really lack something in life. you paste 3 paragraphs of
> nothing but abuses to some unknown guy on the Internet. Either you
> have serious issues or too much time on your hands.
And we're back to, "Why does everyone pick on me?"
Seriously, "Raja," no matter what it takes you need to find a girlfriend.
It doesn't matter if she has a hook on the end of one arm and a lengthily
criminal record, take whoever will have you. Otherwise you'll wake up one
day and realize you're a 50-year-old virgin with Led Zep posters on his
living room wall, and that would be a sad end even for you.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> "Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:c9ea9975-1c0e-46f0...@33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
What a douche! <PLONK>
Ray
wrote:
> disagree with my opinion. So you would come up with any attack to
> insult me. The problem is I already know you are a tool.
Evidently you're idea of "amazing" drummer wise, is HIT THE DRUMS
REALLY HARD. wow I'm amazed. Have a drink bonzo.
You want to throw around terms like virtuoso and/or try to sound like
you have some basis to criticize the efforts of dozens of accomplished
musicians whose efforts you just do not understand well enough to
either appreciate or criticize. I'm just asking you how you arrive at
your pronouncements, it seems they have little basis beyond you like
what you like. Which is a perfectly legitimate point of view.
I have records that are favorites because I think they are the
ultimate in artistic self expression. (The DG recording of Herbert Von
Karajan conducting the Berlin Philharmonic performing Beethoven's 9th
literally changed my life. For real.) and there are others that are
there because they were playing the first
You want to get your groove on and say you dig it because it makes
your butt move... whatever, that's fine, there are dozens of bands I
love just because they can throw down a deep groove without falling
into a rut. Little Feat and the Funky Meters come to mind. But I also
consider the musicians in those bands to be accomplished players.
Nothing to do with how 'technical' they are, they just play good live
and make people happy.
Ray
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wow, that just posted itself. Weird. Anyway the third paragraph was
going to say I like some stuff cause it's as good as it can get (the
Ninth) and other stuff because it was on the radio the first time I
kissed a girl. Some of these things I can explain, other I can't. But
I don't think I am any more qualified to tell anyone what they should
like than you are. But I don't do it, you do. Ad nauseum.
Ray
wrote:
You know, just because you haven't heard someone do something it does
not mean they haven't, or that that they can't. Have you heard
everything PG has recorded? The first two solo albums for example? Do
you know that "vocal range" has a very specific meaning? Do you know
what the meaning is? Do you know why nobody cares that Luciano
Pavarotti couldn't sing soprano?
Oh, and shrieking like a cheerleader in a wet t-shirt contest does not
constitute the ability to sing in a high register.
Tony Elka
<87a0b9c1-e3b6-4d26...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
Ray <6sicks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing to do with how 'technical' they are, they just play good live
> and make people happy.
"Feeling always trumps technique."
- Fred Norris of the Howard Stern Show
and the band King Norris
Tony
Ray
> "Ray" <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:224ac33b-b6d5-45aa...@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Do you know that the reason “Money” changes from 5/4 time to 4/4 time
> > for the guitar solo? Did you even know that it does that?
>
> Er, "Money" begins and ends in 7/8, not 5/8...
You are correct. And the best part is, I thought I typed 5/4...
DGDevin
>> Seriously, "Raja," no matter what it takes you need to find a girlfriend.
>> It doesn't matter if she has a hook on the end of one arm and a lengthy
>> criminal record, take whoever will have you. Otherwise you'll wake up one
>> day and realize you're a 50-year-old virgin with Led Zep posters on his
>> living room wall, and that would be a sad end even for you.
> What a douche! <PLONK>
Is that the fifth time you've plonked me, or the sixth? It won't change
your lonely, pointless reality, "Raja," you're still on your way to being an
aging virgin making pointless lists which all have Led Zeppelin at the top.
DGDevin
> You want to get your groove on and say you dig it because it makes
> your butt move... whatever, that's fine,
Please, don't call up the image of "Raja" moving his butt to his favorite
music. The thought of him dancing around his living room in his Star Trek
pajamas, using a Dr. Pepper bottle as a microphone while pretending to be
Robert Plant--it's like something out of a script the Coen brothers rejected
for being too weird.
Me
> "Ray" <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
And don't forget the Mr. Spock ears.
Raja in Star Trek pajamas with Spock ears and a Robert Plant wig. Ugh!
Just the thought of it is enough to make me vomit.
Ray
Somewhere we crossed over from being rude to just plain mean. Under
the circumstances I think it's entirely justified.
Caffe Mocha
wrote:
>
> You should try to be polite to people to get an answer. If you act
> like a dick, no one will have a conversation with you.
Take a look in the mirror, Raja. Why do you think everyone here hates
you?
Caffe Mocha
wrote:
>
> The assumptions, you guys make about me are all hilarious. Its as if
> you know me personally...lol
We know more about you than any of us would ever care to. Trust me.
Caffe Mocha
wrote:
I listen to
> music and instinctively can separate the good ones from the bad ones.
> Thats called having a musical ear or musical inclination. Few are
> gifted with that. I consider myself gifted.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, you are certainly "gifted," Raja. A very
special little boy.
> There is no wrong or right opinion.
Then why do you insist on shoving yours on anybody who will listen.
Raja?
Caffe Mocha
wrote:
>
> wow, you really lack something in life. you paste 3 paragraphs of
> nothing but abuses to some unknown guy on the Internet. Either you
> have serious issues or too much time on your hands.
I see you didn't refute anything he wrote.
Caffe Mocha
wrote:
>
> What a douche! <PLONK>
And Raja loses another argument.
Me
wrote:
> Of all the popular and highly rate prog bands Jethro Tull and Genesis
> are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
> even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
> Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
>
> My question to ROCK fans
> - Does that fact that Genesis and Jethro Tull are more arty (more
> meaningful and socially relevant lyrics) than the rest and less wanky
> than the rest make you like Genesis and Jethro Tull better?
>
> My question to PROG fans
> - Does that fact that Genesis and Jethro Tull are more arty (more
> meaningful and socially relevant lyrics) than the rest and less wanky
> than the rest make you like Genesis and Jethro Tull lesser?
Is it true that you write this dumb-ass shit while sitting topless in
your Wonder Woman underoos?
DGDevin
> Somewhere we crossed over from being rude to just plain mean. Under
> the circumstances I think it's entirely justified.
What makes it funny is it's all so believeable. The insults wouldn't work
if "Raja" himself didn't confirm that they are pretty good estimates about
him and his life. How many years did the poor mutt go on lecturing the
world about rock music without ever having been to a concert, finally he
apparently went to a couple of shows by has-been or never-was acts--that
sort of circumstance *invites* derision.
Raja The Great
No, DGDevin has nothing to offer except abuses. He is not worth my
time. He is already plonked. You are next.
<PLONK>
Me
Raja, you invite abuse. It would be rude if everyone didn't accept.
Fuck off.
Ray
You love the attention, there is not other explanation for the
incessant trolling. Take you medicine bitch.
Raja, The Great
Another... *PLONK* I am on a roll here.
PLONK Hall of Shame...
Ray
DGDevin
Caffe Mocha
Me
amy/bubba
Anyone else itching for an induction?
Tony Elka
<0bbcde63-381b-4d17...@c10g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Another... *PLONK* I am on a roll here.
>
> PLONK Hall of Shame...
> Ray
> DGDevin
> Caffe Mocha
> Me
> amy/bubba
>
> Anyone else itching for an induction?
Deal me in, you side order of bitch.
Tony
Kyla `=^..^=`
"Raja, The Great"
On Feb 23, 2:15 pm, Ray
>
>
>
> > > > What a douche! <PLONK>
>
> > > And Raja loses another argument.
>
> > No, DGDevin has nothing to offer except abuses. He is not worth my
> > time. He is already plonked. You are next.
>
> > <PLONK>
>
> You love the attention, there is not other explanation for the
> incessant trolling. Take you medicine bitch.
>Another... *PLONK* I am on a roll here.
>PLONK Hall of Shame...
>Ray
>DGDevin
>Caffe Mocha
>Me
>amy/bubba
>Anyone else itching for an induction?
>Yeesh
Me
> In article
> <0bbcde63-381b-4d17-8004-12d70ee85...@c10g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> �"Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Another... *PLONK* I am on a roll here.
>
> > PLONK Hall of Shame...
> > Ray
> > DGDevin
> > Caffe Mocha
> > Me
> > amy/bubba
>
> > Anyone else itching for an induction?
>
> Deal me in, you side order of bitch.
>
> Tony
ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Without us you don't exist. You'll never block anyone. You live for
the attention. You love it. You've blocked us just as you promised
you'd never write another list, just as you promised that you'd never
be back here.
You're a filthy, lying little masturbator who only does it when his
mother is out of the house.
Fuck off jerk off.
DGDevin
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0bbcde63-381b-4d17...@c10g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> Another... *PLONK* I am on a roll here.
> PLONK Hall of Shame...
> Ray
> DGDevin
> Caffe Mocha
> Me
> amy/bubba
> Anyone else itching for an induction?
I got an e-mail from your mom, she confirms that you were dropped on your
head as an infant, so that flat spot on your skull is there for a reason.
Tony Elka
<65af2f9f-2a97-4807...@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Me <BabaOh...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> You're a filthy, lying little masturbator who only does it when his
> mother is out of the house.
Yeah! A real man jerks off in front of his mother! And gives her a
facial.
Tony
Mark Rae
news:65af2f9f-2a97-4807...@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Without us you don't exist.
And yet you continue to feed him by replying...
So what does that make you...?
Tony Elka
"Mark Rae" <ma...@mark.com> wrote:
Purina Troll Chow?
Tony
Me
> In article <Xt0hn.43976$Ym4.5...@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> �"Mark Rae" <m...@mark.com> wrote:
>
> > "Me" <BabaOhRea...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:65af2f9f-2a97-4807...@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Without us you don't exist.
>
> > And yet you continue to feed him by replying...
>
> > So what does that make you...?
>
> Purina Troll Chow?
>
> Tony
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/browse_frm/thread/a06d92cb25d45bd4?scoring=d&
Jeff Blanks
> (The DG recording of Herbert Von
> Karajan conducting the Berlin Philharmonic performing Beethoven's 9th
> literally changed my life. For real.)
Which one, the 1963 recording, the 1977 recording, or the c. 1984
recording? (Not that I've heard them, except maybe the '63; I just know
they're there. They say the '63 box set is the best bang for the buck
LvB-wise out there.)
--
"When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it."
--Anton Chekhov
Jeff Blanks
> "Feeling always trumps technique."
> - Fred Norris of the Howard Stern Show
> and the band King Norris
That always means more when you've *got* technique.
Tony Elka
<jblanks-0FC863...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Jeff Blanks <jbl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Tony Elka <shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>
> > "Feeling always trumps technique."
> > - Fred Norris of the Howard Stern Show
> > and the band King Norris
>
> That always means more when you've *got* technique.
I mostly agree with you, and Robert Fripp who advises mastering
technique before choosing to abandon it.
But like most rules, it's not an absolute. Johnny Cash wasn't anything
close to a great guitarist but there were times when his playing was
exactly the right accompaniment to his voice.
Tony
Ray
Restraint and taste are good things, but it never hurts to be able to
do some circus tricks too.
DGDevin
"Tony Elka" <shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote in message
news:shadowlane-72155...@news.newsguy.com...
> I mostly agree with you, and Robert Fripp who advises mastering
> technique before choosing to abandon it.
Heh, that's a good one, I'll have to remember that.
> But like most rules, it's not an absolute. Johnny Cash wasn't anything
> close to a great guitarist but there were times when his playing was
> exactly the right accompaniment to his voice.
Yeah, in the end music is about emotion, and if you can't convey that then
all the technique in the world is pointless.
Bart Simpson
> are the least virtuosos. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush, King Crimson and
> even marginally prog bands like The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath,
> Led Zeppelin are all technically much stronger than these 2.
>
> My question to ROCK fans
> - Does that fact that Genesis and Jethro Tull are more arty (more
> meaningful and socially relevant lyrics) than the rest and less wanky
> than the rest make you like Genesis and Jethro Tull better?
>
> My question to PROG fans
> - Does that fact that Genesis and Jethro Tull are more arty (more
> meaningful and socially relevant lyrics) than the rest and less wanky
> than the rest make you like Genesis and Jethro Tull lesser?
>
>
It depends. I liked Tull up until Heavy Horses. I liked Genesis until
Hackett left. I'm still a huge fan of Ian.
It's all relative.
If you start with Phil Collins and the "Then there were Three" Genesis, I
would say "They suck".
The crap that Genesis was pumping out like ABACAB was not my style in the day
when I was paying more attention to Japan or even Visage, or Magazine in those
times.
As far as "progressive rock" goes.
Today I returned from London, Ontario on a business trip.
In 1982 I was back stage for Asia. Howe, Wetton, Palmer and Geoff Downes.
That was very progressive, in a time where I'd lost my view of the old days.
I was into the aforementioned, and had given up on that style.
In 1990? I saw the Yes Union tour. Unbeatable.
In 1992? ELP at Massey Hall.
Not long after? ELP opening for Jethro Tull!
Amazing!
I can't argue. I was still paying attention to the old boys. Not Steve
Strange and Visage and so on.
I guess that progressive rock lives on in my house.
Here's looking forward to the Keith Emerson / Greg Lake tour of the Americas.
Summer 2010.
Tony Elka
Bart Simpson <ba...@simpson.net> wrote:
> Here's looking forward to the Keith Emerson / Greg Lake tour of the Americas.
>
> Summer 2010.
No Palmer? What else has he got going?
Tony