new songs
Alex Legault
and wrote like 25 songs.
This should guarantee the
completion of a record this
year. - Pat Wilson http://www.weezer.net/pat
I hope it's true.......
Ian Strung
>Rivers had a big freakout
>
>and wrote like 25 songs.
>
>This should guarantee the
>
>completion of a record this
>
>year. - Pat Wilson http://www.weezer.net/pat
completion and release?
>I hope it's true.......
This better mean that the record will have more than 10!
I mean, it's a rip. All of the b-sides from Pinkerton were good enough to
be on the album. Why would they release 4 b-sides and only 10 album tracks?
Come on, 14-track album baby! Geez.
If it were a 10-track album, it wouldn't measure up to Pinkerton. If it had
a lot more than that, they would be different and it wouldn't matter -
d'you know what I mean? It's like, you can't say Abbey Road is better than
the White Album, because while track-for-track it's more solid, the White
Album is such a grab-bag.
Also, no offense to them, but I want Pat and Brian's material to be
diluted. OK, so there's not real way to take that inoffensively. It's just
the Rivers is the genius.
marzioli
>Also, no offense to them, but I want Pat and Brian's material to be
>diluted. OK, so there's not real way to take that inoffensively. It's just
>the Rivers is the genius.
I hate to break it to you, but Pat and Brian are every bit as much Weezer as
Rivers is. I happen to respect the fact that Weezer is using songs written
by Weezer. Excuse me if I'm out of line (can I get a witness?). I mean
really, we know that Brian's music is awesome, and we can infer that Pat's
is too (because he's Weezer! I'm sure someone can back me up with this too.
I at least am planning on being a Special Goodness fan when he releases it.
Even if it means going to Japan and picking up a copy). This isn't supposed
to be anything other than my opinion, but any music decisions (i.e.
producer, or the use of non-Rivers material) is okay by me. I just want the
album to be released... That's all I ask! :)
Rivers is a genius. I agree.
(By the way, adding "no offense", as you have already noted, is never a way
to bypass insults. Observe this example: "No offense Hypothetical Eddie,
but you are an ugly mutant". Eddie will still be pissed)
Sincerely,
Samuel M.
anuj
dan is an ugly mutant...soon a pic will be up for all to see...
haaha!
anuj
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:53:56 +0100, "marzioli" <marz...@tdl.com>
wrote:
Ian Strung
>Ian wrote:
>>Also, no offense to them, but I want Pat and Brian's material to be
>>diluted. OK, so there's not real way to take that inoffensively. It's just
>>that Rivers is the genius.
>
>I hate to break it to you, but Pat and Brian are every bit as much Weezer as
>Rivers is. I happen to respect the fact that Weezer is using songs written
>by Weezer.
uh, you mean by Rivers. The insert distinctly says "Pinkerton" and then two
lines down is "by Rivers Cuomo".
Now, really. Some bands are pure group effort, but weezer just doesn't seem
like one of them. They all have their side projects, and when they go into
the studio, it's Rivers who's in charge. He played all the keyboards
(apparently) and the guitars, wrote all the songs and sang them. The
production credits go to "weezer", but I don't know what that means.
There's no way to tell who did what there.
I just doubt that the other two are as good as Rivers. Most people aren't.
If they (Pat and Brian) ask to write a track, obviously Rivers has to let
them, but I bet you it'll be an intrusive drop in quality on the album.
> Excuse me if I'm out of line (can I get a witness?). I mean
>really, we know that Brian's music is awesome, and we can infer that Pat's
>is too (because he's Weezer! I'm sure someone can back me up with this too.
Uh.... If that isn't circular logic, what is? All the members of weezer
produce great music: we know that Pat does, because he's in weezer
I've never heard Brian's stuff.
anuj
rivers bring in a basic written song which they use as a starting
point, and then brian and pat add their own parts to it...i highly
doubt that rivers comes in with brian's and pat's parts written out,
hands them the sheet of paper, and says "let's record this." the song
probably grows from the original that rivers presents the rest of the
band with to become more of a collabrotive effort. the words are all
rivers', but the rest of the song probably isn't.
just my thought.
anuj
=rwa=
Pjfsk8s
rivers. it is true that rivers get's a lot of credit, but this is because he is
the singer and he is the one putting himself on the line. but when it comes
down to it weezer would be a signifigantly different experience without pat
wilson. if you are in doubt you need to listen to both the records and just
listen to the drums and you will see what i mean. pat is not some schmuck going
boom-cha behind some songwriters stuff, he is an incredibly gifted musician
that just happens to play the drums and therefore has to suffer through b.s.
like this.
-pat finn
Steve C. Stadtfeld
Anyone who has heard Mr. Wilson play live would know that he's no slouch.
I've seen him improvise incidental music for both the Weather Channel and
Melrose Place while sitting around watching TV with a guitar.
But anyway, who really cares who's a good musician or not? If you like the
damn records then you like the damn records. You dont have to have gone to
MI to write a decent pop rock song.
How can anyone doubt Missur Wilson? The man carves turkey like none other.
Steve Stadtfeld
anuj
anuj
=rwa=
Daniel VanAuken
I
> >Actually, I bet you anything Rivers did write Matt and Brian's parts. Brain
> >plays rhythm guitar, and Rivers knows the chords to his own songs. I agree
> >that Pat adds much on the drums, but the issue at hand is - can he write a
> >song that's Rivers level? Answer: statistically unprobable, because only 1
> >person in the 6 billion on the earth so far can; but hey, miracles happen.
>
I agree that Rivers pretty much has Brian's part written out ect.. ect...But I
don't agree that Rivers is the only one that can write an excellent song out of 6
billion people on earth.
This also may be a little bit off subject but I hope these new songs are *alot*
better than the songs on Pinkerton because in *my opinion* (lets understand this
IS an OPINION NOT a fact if you don't like it deal with it.) Pinkerton fell very
short of my expectations. Compared to the blue album it is not up to quality with
it.
~Daniel~
Ian Strung
Stadtfeld) wrote:
>Anyone who has heard Mr. Wilson play live would know that he's no slouch.
>I've seen him improvise incidental music for both the Weather Channel and
>Melrose Place while sitting around watching TV with a guitar.
Oh, big freakin' wow. Anybody can do that.
>But anyway, who really cares who's a good musician or not? If you like the
>damn records then you like the damn records. You dont have to have gone to
>MI to write a decent pop rock song.
Rivers writes genius pop songs.
Ian Strung
an...@weezer.net wrote:
>i *think* the way the song production process goes with them is that
>rivers bring in a basic written song which they use as a starting
>point, and then brian and pat add their own parts to it...i highly
>doubt that rivers comes in with brian's and pat's parts written out,
>hands them the sheet of paper, and says "let's record this." the song
>probably grows from the original that rivers presents the rest of the
>band with to become more of a collabrotive effort. the words are all
>rivers', but the rest of the song probably isn't.
>
Actually, I bet you anything Rivers did write Matt and Brian's parts. Brain
plays rhythm guitar, and Rivers knows the chords to his own songs. I agree
that Pat adds much on the drums, but the issue at hand is - can he write a
song that's Rivers level? Answer: statistically unprobable, because only 1
person in the 6 billion on the earth so far can; but hey, miracles happen.
>
Ian Strung
pjf...@aol.com (Pjfsk8s) wrote:
He writes the damn songs. Pat's a great drummer, true. But weezer isn't
nearly the group effort that you're making it out to be. I credit Rivers
with almost all of weezer's greatness. Except the drums.
anuj
anuj
david shumka
> but what about the rock-star-iness that brian brings to the band!
>
falsetto? man alive. this is a crisis.
DownWithP
>*alot*
>better than the songs on Pinkerton because in *my opinion* (lets understand
>this
>IS an OPINION NOT a fact if you don't like it deal with it.) Pinkerton fell
>very
>short of my expectations. Compared to the blue album it is not up to quality
>with
>it.
hmm... i dont want to get into the big issue of which is better. but i think
it fell short of everyones expectations. its not cherry coated pop. but it
grows on you like nothing else. except the hair on my ex-pediatrician.
anyways, with all the deciding if pats a good musician or whatnot (which there
is no doubt in my mind he is excellent and superior) - music doesnt get popular
because of a cool guitar riff or drum loop. its all about the vocals baby.
and rivers just has one of those voices that just clicks. he also happens to
be the greatest songwriter in the history of the world in my opinion.
kris s.
songs.. brings it to the guys. i'm sure brian gets the chords seeing as
he plays rythym guitar and all, but i wouldn't consider him a bad muscian
because of it. everyone that's heard space twins (i think that's what it
is) says they sound really great. as far as the bass parts go.. hell,
listen to the records, it's not just bass chords, i'm sure rivers doesn't
go through and point out a whole bass line to matt. giving him the basis
of the chords most likely allows him to develop his part. and drums...
that's all pat, baby.
the way i see it (note: i), weezer's original and great sound comes from
river's songwriting and singing, matt's bass noise, bass lines, and
falsetto, and pat's exetremely simplistic drumming style.
just my 2 cents.
oh yeah, one more thingy. pinkerton and blue sound a lot different to me,
it's kinda what mood you're in that night as to which one you favor.
more 2 cents for a total of 4 cents of my opinion.
kris
Steve C. Stadtfeld
Ian Strung <ist...@home.com> wrote:
>>I've seen him improvise incidental music for both the Weather Channel and
>>Melrose Place while sitting around watching TV with a guitar.
>
>Oh, big freakin' wow. Anybody can do that.
Oh yeah, Mister Big Penis? Since you're so smart and know so many musical
geniouses who went to MI and write commercial jingles, how about posting
some wave files that suggest "partly cloudy, chance of rain!" Is it so
easy to take meteorology and convert it into music?
If you could just stop this adult baby fetish of yours, take off the
diapers and pee stading up like the rest of us, you'd realize just how
rare and precious a musician is who knows the difference between a
tropical depression and a tropical storm.
Your doubts about Pat Wilson's credibility are a slap in the face to all
the work he has done for the nation's children.
Up yours,
Steve Stadtfeld
joseph
> falsetto? man alive. this is a crisis.
that's just what i was thinking. even if he can, i believe matt sharp
will remain supreme champion of the universe.
~joseph
Ian Strung
>I
>
>> >Actually, I bet you anything Rivers did write Matt and Brian's parts. Brain
>> >plays rhythm guitar, and Rivers knows the chords to his own songs. I agree
>> >that Pat adds much on the drums, but the issue at hand is - can he write a
>> >song that's Rivers level? Answer: statistically unprobable, because only 1
>> >person in the 6 billion on the earth so far can; but hey, miracles happen.
>>
>
>I agree that Rivers pretty much has Brian's part written out ect.. ect...But I
>don't agree that Rivers is the only one that can write an excellent song
out of 6
>billion people on earth.
Oh, true. But he writes *the best*. That's my opinion. And I've heard
Sergeant Pepper's.
> This also may be a little bit off subject but I hope these new songs
are *alot*
>better than the songs on Pinkerton because in *my opinion* (lets
understand this
>IS an OPINION NOT a fact if you don't like it deal with it.) Pinkerton
fell very
>short of my expectations. Compared to the blue album it is not up to
quality with
>it.
Die. Just kidding, but you're wrong. Pinkerton is the most brilliant album
in the world.
>~Daniel~
Ian Strung
Stadtfeld) wrote:
<lol>!!! The internet! I luvvit!
Daniel VanAuken
has what he needs to do "written out" (so to speak) for him doesn't mean
otherwise. If you are in a band and write a song, to a certain extent you tell
the others what to do, the writer is the one with the vision for the song, he
knows how he wants it to sound. Then the other members of the band expand on
your idea, therefore making the song, and therefore making it a group effort!
I believe this is how Weezer works.
Agree Anyone?
~Daniel~
Ian Strung
>OH come on. We all know brian is a *very* talented musician. Just because he
>has what he needs to do "written out" (so to speak) for him doesn't mean
>otherwise. If you are in a band and write a song, to a certain extent you tell
>the others what to do, the writer is the one with the vision for the song, he
>knows how he wants it to sound. Then the other members of the band expand on
>your idea, therefore making the song, and therefore making it a group effort!
>I believe this is how Weezer works.
>Agree Anyone?
>~Daniel~
I really don't understand how this argument got from "Can Pat write a song
that's as good as Rivers?" to "Are the other people in the band inept?". We
all agree the whole band are talented, but as you outlined, Rivers is the
main driving force.
david shumka
compare the way brian plays with the way jason cropper played. i haven't
had a chance to do that cos i forget on which recordings jason appears, but
it might be a little accurate. it's about style, baby.
i'm also wondering if brian wrote the solo in el scorcho. i know he plays
it and i just think it's the most wonderful, hilarious solo ever. and
speaking of el scorcho and guitar parts, has anyone listened to this in one
speaker only? it's the same guitar part but only one of them is bending
the... um... i think it's the major 3rd, but i don't know theory. one of
them is bending the g-string, one isn't. and one of the guitar parts drops
out during the 3rd verse and if you listen to this in the right speaker (i
think it's the right), all you get is drums and vocals and it's really
cool.
but nevermind me,
dave
Regal_...@webtv.net
Left Me Here, and Surf Wax.
marzioli
joseph wrote in message <35B0AE0F...@erols.com>...
Actually any man can sing falsetto, and any man who practices can sing it
good. Now we can all agree that Matt will have a falsetto place in our
falsetto loving hearts, but I'm sure Mike is no falsetto slouch! :) If you
are gonna worry, worry after the album is released
Sincerely,
Samuel
DANROCK
rivers = lyrics & melody
band = suggestions, adds & extras
joseph
> Let's remember who co-wrote My Name Is Jonas, The World Has Turned And
> Left Me Here, and Surf Wax.
amen, my web tv compadre.
~joseph
marzioli
>Uh, believe it or not, but there are plenty of people out there who love to
>play their instruments and have no desire (or talent) for writing. The
>other members could be in it because they enjoy playing.
>Rivers is the "Billy Corgan" of weezer.
Okay, this can be answered easier. How many sessions of Weezer music have
you witnessed. If this is pure speculation based on your best estimate of
the situation, then we must compare it with what is standard. If Rivers is
indeed as you say, then you necessarily must prove that Rivers is above the
normal (as it addresses him being the sole sound of Weezer). You have
continued to speculate, but have offered no substantiation.
That's all I have to say about that. :)
Sincerely,
Samuel M.
Pjfsk8s
to be. i have played in many bands with all these people and if rivers was the
sort of megalomaniacal contrller of the band you make him out to be, trust me,
people would leave the band. they all have better things to do than just play
something somebody else wrote for them. on top of this you the listener would
not be enjoying the sort of high quality entertainment you have come to expect
from weezer if it was just rivers' show.
-somebody who knows better.
Ian Strung
pjf...@aol.com (Pjfsk8s) wrote:
Uh, believe it or not, but there are plenty of people out there who love to
marzioli
Daniel VanAuken wrote
>Oh. Ok i understand now. :) I do agree, but what if Pat is
>as good as rivers?
Or what if Pat is better than Rivers?
We can only speculate because we haven't given the man a chance, now have
we? All I can do is point out again that Pat has already contributed to
Weezer in songs many of us enjoy. See the first album for more detail.
Sincerely,
Samuel Marzioli
FooAlien15
without Brian there would be nothing but a mono guitar sound (which really
isn't good compaired to two guitars), which would especially sound bad during
solos and solos that require them both to play, Matt made/makes the coolest
bass diddies out there (sucks ass that he left, and I hardly think rivers wrote
his parts.), and Pat makes the perfect and coolest sounding (yet still being
implistic at the same time) drum beats. Rivers himself writes great solos and
songs/music, but it is all collectivly a group effort, and I believe that
Rivers brings his song in and lets the others build their instruments around
it.
thank you-
�� - =w=
FooAlien
Ian Strung
fooal...@aol.com (FooAlien15) wrote:
>can't you be happy the the awesome music they make? here's the low-down,
>without Brian there would be nothing but a mono guitar sound (which really
>isn't good compaired to two guitars), which would especially sound bad during
>solos and solos that require them both to play,
Or, they could find another guitarist.
X2Sparkler
there are songs that might be on the new album written by the other band
members. there are songs by them.. but since they havent recorded, who's to say
what's going to be on it.
it also says that mikey doesnt like to write songs..
so everyone's right, and everyone's wrong....
Ian Strung
>Ian wrote:
>>Uh, believe it or not, but there are plenty of people out there who love to
>>play their instruments and have no desire (or talent) for writing. The
>>other members could be in it because they enjoy playing.
>>Rivers is the "Billy Corgan" of weezer.
>
>Okay, this can be answered easier. How many sessions of Weezer music have
>you witnessed. If this is pure speculation based on your best estimate of
>the situation, then we must compare it with what is standard. If Rivers is
>indeed as you say, then you necessarily must prove that Rivers is above the
>normal (as it addresses him being the sole sound of Weezer). You have
>continued to speculate, but have offered no substantiation.
How about this. He writes the songs. Legally, songs are:
lyrics/chords/melody. He also probably (this is speculation, but it's hard
to deny) arranges the guitars, since he plays the lead guitar in the band.
The whole point is that Pat's going to start writing, and this is a gyp,
because we have no idea whether it'll be up to par with Rivers' stuff.
Probably not. Would you want an Oasis song on your weezer CD? No. Of course
not. For the same reason, I'm not looking forward to Pat's material.
Daniel VanAuken
I think they're awesome.
~Daniel~
Ian Strung
>What's wrong with oasis? Huh?
>I think they're awesome.
>~Daniel~
As do I, but I would rather have a weezer track on the CD.
I want a pure rivers album, K people? I especially don't want Pat
displacing Rivers' material!
Daniel VanAuken
rivers?
Regal_...@webtv.net
"up to par" with Rivers'. How do you know Pat won't write better songs
than Rivers? He did co-write three songs on the blue album.
Bottom line: you can't say anything about the new album until you hear
it.
Rivers is not THE genius.
Weezer is the genius.
--"Cuz fuck him"--
Ian Strung
Regal_...@webtv.net wrote:
>How do you know it will be a "gyp" if you have no idea Pat's writing is
>"up to par" with Rivers'. How do you know Pat won't write better songs
>than Rivers?
How many people in the world do? What are the chances that two songwriters
of that calibre are in the same band?
>He did co-write three songs on the blue album.
Who knows what that means. He could have thought of one line, and Rivers
developed the rest.
Stt
completion of a record this year.
I was reading the Pinkerton "booklet", and it says "recorded in whatever,
whatever, and whatever moths", but the first recording and the last
recording session differed almost a year.
Was there a special reason for this, because as I see it now, even if they
went into the studio in september or november, that's hardly a guarantee the
record will be ready before the end of the year, even the first quarter of
1998.
So please someone, ease my mind...
X2Sparkler
>
>We can only speculate because we haven't given the man a chance, now have
>we? All I can do is point out again that Pat has already contributed to
>Weezer in songs many of us enjoy. See the first album for more detail.
really, why not just be supportive instead of bashing his music before you've
even heard it?
*marissa*
BenFoIds5
>the
>sort of megalomaniacal contrller of the band you make him out to be, trust
>me,
>people would leave the band. they all have better things to do than just play
>something somebody else wrote for them.
hmmmm, in the new weezine i just received, it says that mikey has no interest
in writing any songs.
mike
Daniel VanAuken
count George (nah, all though he did write some awesome songs)
~Daniel~
Regal_...@webtv.net
Kevin C
> lyrics/chords/melody. He also probably (this is speculation, but it's hard
> to deny) arranges the guitars, since he plays the lead guitar in the band.
I guess this thread is already dead, but I found something relevant in
the Addicted to Noise interview:
"Goldberg: Before you made this album, had you demoed up most everything
yourself?
Cuomo: No, that was a big change in the way we worked. I decided not to
make any demos and instead just to write the basic melodies and chord
changes without orchestrating everyone's parts at all. So we went into
the studio without really knowing what was going to happen. And it gave
everyone a lot more room to be creative and spontaneous on their
instruments."
Kevin
marzioli
ajk wrote in message <01bd6a46$e4091f60$9403...@yea.texas.net>...
>=w= is definately the answer. not rivers, brian, pat, or matt. but =w=. i
>still dont know how i feel about this new bassist. sure everyone deserves a
>chance. but it just will not be the same!!!
Matt had real personality! He was all over the stage, doing weird stuff,
and entertaining the crowd with his wacky bass guitar antics. I saw two
shows with him in it, and they were great! let's hope Mr Welsh gets in
gear, and perhaps can fill that void. Of course since he is a nuevo Weezer,
he needs to earn our respect. Not to say that I disrespect him, but "new"
means "getting acquainted". Anyway, that's my opinion, which isn't always
so humble.
-Samuel
ajk
still dont know how i feel about this new bassist. sure everyone deserves a
chance. but it just will not be the same!!!
Regal_...@webtv.net wrote in article
<27422-35...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> How do you know it will be a "gyp" if you have no idea Pat's writing is
> "up to par" with Rivers'. How do you know Pat won't write better songs
> than Rivers? He did co-write three songs on the blue album.
pcweezer
live up to the greatness of weezer, well the rest of the band wouldnt have
chosen him if he wasnt good enough. matt and mikey are two different people and
therefore mikey will give us a different show.
join the mikey fanclub today!
=w= rockon
marzioli wrote:
> ajk wrote in message <01bd6a46$e4091f60$9403...@yea.texas.net>...
> >=w= is definately the answer. not rivers, brian, pat, or matt. but =w=. i
> >still dont know how i feel about this new bassist. sure everyone deserves a
> >chance. but it just will not be the same!!!
>
marzioli
pcweezer wrote in message <35C645A2...@shaw.wave.ca>...
>why is everyone against mikey?? nobody knows him so you all assume that he
wont
>live up to the greatness of weezer, well the rest of the band wouldnt have
>chosen him if he wasnt good enough. matt and mikey are two different people
and
>therefore mikey will give us a different show.
I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not against Mikey. I'm just being real,
and questioning the quality of live performances with the loss of Matt
Sharp. It's an honest question, though certainly not a condemning one. I
am not going to be even the LAST one to not go to a Weezer show, if I can.
Matt or no Matt, Weezer is my favorite band. I realize that Mike is a good
bass player, but of course if you've been to a Weezer concert you would know
that Matt wasn't just a good bass player.
You have gone to a Weezer show, right?
-Samuel
Stt
for good or for bad, but at least it will be interesting to hear, as it will
be to the members of the band. It also can give the thread in which was
discussed who was responsible for the sound of Weezer a whole new
perspective.
I mean, I can think of certain bands that are quite boring & never change
but hey, they'll sell anyway. Like the
Rolling-oh-my-god-haven't-they-died-yet-shouldn't-we-commit-a-mercy-killing-
than?-Stones. No offence to Stones-fans out there (where?)
ajk
guy?!? i was just saying that its =w= who i love not any individual
person, eh?
pcweezer <pcwe...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote in article
<35C645A2...@shaw.wave.ca>...
> why is everyone against mikey?? nobody knows him so you all assume that
he wont
> live up to the greatness of weezer, well the rest of the band wouldnt
have
> chosen him if he wasnt good enough. matt and mikey are two different
people and
> therefore mikey will give us a different show.
>