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Jamie

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I am fortunate enough that once or twice a week I have an entire T1-line
to myself. While many of the websites that have Ween MP3s or Real Audios
don't support such high speeds, I can get 5 or 6 streams going from
different sites at the same time and get 30-50 Kb/sec from each.

Now I have around 3 Zip disks full. Almost all the stuff that seems to
be available. Much of it is VERY good. The bad things?...

1) Many of the B-sides are pretty low quality. I'd buy these B-side
singles if I knew where. I live in NYC, but no record stores seem to
have them, even the "bootleg" shops.

2) There is a lot of pretty low quality/tedious live stuff. I pause
before downloading another live version of "Pony" or "Eel." It is hard
to weed through to get the best stuff.

3) Sometimes there's a real gem in the middle of a HUGE file. In
particular, the two concerts from http://www.ween.org, and the Shitcreek
Boys Real Audio that Mickey posted at http://www.chocodog.com. How do I
convert an ".ra" file to mp3? How do I cut out part of a large mp3 file
and make it its own small file? Anyone know?

4) Some of the stuff at Mickey's site is Real Audio, but I can't figure
out how to DOWNLOAD it. I can stream it, but not HAVE the file. I even
tried Real Audio PLUS but the "record" button was disabled for Mickey's
songs. (I even installed a CRACK that claimed to allow you to record a
streaming Real Audio file with PLUS even if it was disabled, but it
didn't work.) Anyone know how to get around this?

I want to upload the stuff I like best to
ftp://we...@24.2.89.71:555/d%3A/ftp/uploads/. I put some stuff up there,
but I'm scared to put up stuff that Felix won't feel okay about having.

HIGHLIGHTS:

Outtakes/Demos:
* Love Will Conquor All (one of the best Ween songs--I uploaded to
Felix's site)
* Did You See Me
* Darkside (all the four-track 12 GCH sound great, we just can't
download them! See 4. above)
* Stallion Part 4
* Vallejo
* Cornbread Red
* Flutes of the Chi
* Koko

B-Sides & Cuts from Soundtracks:
* So Long Jerry (low quality MP3)
* Puerto Rican Power II (I've never heard version I)
* I'm Fat (if this is any indication, version I of PPower must be GREAT)
* Mango Woman ("Where you coom froom?" "Uh, New Hope." "Want to smoke a
splife?" "Uh, yeah, I'll smoke a spliff."
* Rene
* Texas Fire (too bad this isn't on the Shitcreek concert)
* Beacon Light
* I'll Miss You (this sounds like a re-make of She Fucks Me)
* Now I'm Freaking Out

Live:
* Flutes of the Chi (the live acoustic version is superior in many ways
to the outtake, I think, at least better quality MP3)
* Koko (I prefer the live, acoustic to the outtake)
* Booze Me Up & Get Me High (this is live 10/13/96 anyone know of the
studio version?--I uploaded to Felix's site)
* She Fucks Me (Real Audio from Shitcreek Boys)

What am I forgetting? Writing this out felt like a good purge. But now I
feel like a weanie.

KingFelix/MagicalPig

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Feb 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/6/99
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Jamie, i'm gonna try to answer as many of your questions as possible.
About recording RA files, I don't think any crack or the like will
make it possible; it's up to the settings on the server for that
particular stream. If recording is enabled, you'll need Player Plus,
anyway, which'll cost ya.

One tactic around this is to try to download the file. You'll have to
guess at the file's name and its location, but a good rule of thumb is
to look at the link and note the file it links to. It will be some
.ram file. Try connecting to that same file but with a .ra extension
by entering in the browser's URL bar. Or you can try FTPing to the ISP
and hope you have read access in the user's home directory.

If that doesn't work, you could email the site op and ask that he send
it to you or provide a link to the .ra file. And if that doesn't work,
you'll have to run a cable from your computer to your stereo and
record to a cassette. Just pray you have a good connection or you'll
record a bunch of static here and there.

Ok, so once you have a RA file, to convert it to MP3 you'll need 2
things: a good sound editing program and an MP3 compressor.
For the first part, I suggest Cool Edit (http://www.syntrillium.com).
Since you have real audio installed on your computer, cool edit should
have access to the RA CODEC (coder/decoder or is it
compressor/decompressor?) which will enable you to open the RA file
and view it as a waveform. It will be a huge file in wave form: about
10 megs per minute. You can do your editing now.
Now save the file as a plain (PCM) wave file and open it in the Mp3
compressor. I prefer the freeware program which you can dowload at:
http://home.nordnet.fr/~gbouchart/mez/dload/mp3c.htm

OR you can use the MP3 CODEC method. Tricky part is getting your hands
on the CODEC which is now only commerically available. Maybe it will
magically appear in my uploads directory soon! If you get it, Cool
Edit will be able to save the waveform as an MP3.
First you have to enable it though:
Copy the file to your Windows/System folder.
Go to the Control Panel, open the Multimedia icon, and go to the
advanced tab. If you expand the "Audio Compression codecs" branch you
should see "Fraunhofer IIs Mpeg layer-3 codec (professional)"
Click the "Properties" button. In the properties, make sure "Use this
codec" is enabled, and change its priority to 1.

To save as Mp3 from cool edit, do Save As, and in the "Save as type"
list, choose ACM Waveform. Click the "Options" button. MPEG-3 should
be in the Format list now. Adjust the quality settings according to
the source file. (ie. no point in saving as stereo if the source is
mono)

Alright, thats covered.
Sometimes, an Mp3 can't be opened in Cool Edit using this CODEC.
You'll know it when you are in the Open menu of cool edit, and you
highlight the file and it says "Unknown Headerless RAW data" in the
file information. When this happens, you have to run something called
Wav4Mp3. That'll be on my FTP site too. It's a small utility but it
works wonders.

Hopefully with this information you can upload some stuff to my site.
If you have a complete version of Did you see me that'd be awesome

magpig


On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:46:34 -0500, Jamie <jam...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

<stuff>

Jamie

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Feb 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/6/99
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Thank you for the tips and "stuff."

Thanks to dan deming too.

Nat

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Feb 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/7/99
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Whew.  The only thing I know is that downloading entire Real Audio Files is a bitch.  What I do, I make RealAudio for my page all the time, so, whenever I right click on a RealAudio file, it shows an "Edit With Notepad" option that that I put on there.  It's for the .ram files.  Anyhow, if you right click and download that small .ram file, it has the location of the .ra (you probably know that).  You can find that location by opening the .ram file in notepad.  Anyhow, if it starts "pnm://" and you've got Netscape, you're screwed.  I tried 50 times to do that shit.  Anyhow, with IE, if you take out the "pmn://" and copy the rest and put in, it should download.  Maybe you knew some of that shit, but I forget the rest.  It's the basic idea.  Hell.
--
--Nat



Mike Sindona

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Feb 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/7/99
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King Felix, are you from Westchester County NY?

Mike

KingFelix/MagicalPig wrote in message <36bdc474.4328026@news>...


>Jamie, i'm gonna try to answer as many of your questions as possible.

KingFelix/MagicalPig

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On Sun, 07 Feb 1999 08:10:33 GMT, "Mike Sindona"
<CRAPFREE...@CRAPFREEhome.CRAPFREEcom> wrote:

>King Felix, are you from Westchester County NY

nope, central NJ actually

Mike Sindona

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Feb 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/7/99
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Oh ok. Good. There was this kid named Felix that lives up there in NY who
is some sort of rich snotty bastard. I never knew him, but all of my
friends from NY who knew him told me he was a spoiled brat. He drives
around a BMW 525 with a personalized NY license plate which reads:
KINGFELIX. Then I saw your "name" was King Felix and I was trying to put
two and two together, or something....

Mike

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Barry Platt

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On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:34:10 GMT, king...@monarchy.com
(KingFelix/MagicalPig) wrote:

>Jamie, i'm gonna try to answer as many of your questions as possible.
>About recording RA files, I don't think any crack or the like will
>make it possible; it's up to the settings on the server for that
>particular stream. If recording is enabled, you'll need Player Plus,
>anyway, which'll cost ya.
>
>One tactic around this is to try to download the file. You'll have to
>guess at the file's name and its location, but a good rule of thumb is
>to look at the link and note the file it links to. It will be some
>.ram file. Try connecting to that same file but with a .ra extension
>by entering in the browser's URL bar. Or you can try FTPing to the ISP
>and hope you have read access in the user's home directory.

Alternatively, X-File-Get can handle the pnm:// protocol that native
Real Audio/Video servers use. That way if the server is set up
correctly (correctly meaning that you *have* to use the pnm protocol
to access the realaudio files and can't workaround using http/ftp),
you can grab the file anyway.

It will also handle http/ftp, but the interface is pretty clunky - I
tend to use it only for pnm stuff. If you have sufficient bandwidth,
you can tell it to filter an http URL and grab all the realaudio files
from that page.

I've only had trouble downloading from one site (the official Ash site
that has What Deaner was Talking About) - most other sites work OK.

You can download it from www.2bsys.com, although I believe it is still
in Beta (and does sometimes crash).

I notice that there is also a RealAudio->Wav converter on the site
too.

Barry
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Barry Platt
http://www.boognish.demon.co.uk/bplatt/

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Koktavy, Peter J.

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3) Sometimes there's a real gem in the middle of a
HUGE file. In particular, the two concerts from
http://www.ween.org, and the Shitcreek Boys Real Audio
that Mickey posted at http://www.chocodog.com. How do
I convert an ".ra" file to mp3? How do I cut out part
of a large mp3 file and make it its own small file?
Anyone know?
----
I think this played out in the thread, but I've been
in the process of capturing, converting, clipping into
tracks, and re-encoding to .mp3 all of the .ra out
there. I've also been in contact with someone who is
planning on hosting this MP3 mirror.

For links to the x-file get utility and ra2wav
utility, check out my 'other links' page.

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/koktavy/ween

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