St Anger vs Van Halen 3 vs Chinese Democracy
Maneatingcow
days?
(Go by GNR bootlegs as reference for the yet ot be released Chinese
Democracy)
I think St Anger is even worse than Van Halen 3. Thoughts?
Holtz
Maneatingcow wrote:
I like most of Axl's new songs so I'd put it above these other two.
--
Holtz.
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My bootleg list,
http://www.tapetrader.com/Holtz
The Hon. John Frink
What St. Anger have you heard?
"Look, if she's not into cockfighting, she's not worth dating."
The Watcher
Chinese Democracy, probably never will.
TMW
WmrXm...@comcast.com
The song St Anger kept my attention when I heard it
for the first time a few days ago. Well, until Mark
started singing. The really should've hunted for a new
vocalist along with the new bassist. I can't stand the
intentional cracking of his voice he's adopted in his
style.
John Ellis
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>
>
> Maneatingcow wrote:
>
> > What is the worst of these albums from these bands in their dying
> > days?
> >
> > (Go by GNR bootlegs as reference for the yet ot be released Chinese
> > Democracy)
> >
> > I think St Anger is even worse than Van Halen 3. Thoughts?
>
> I like most of Axl's new songs so I'd put it above these other two.
>
> --
> Holtz.
It'd be tough to top VH3 for worst. 2 words: Gary Cherone. Axl could record
himself farting and burping and it'd be better.
Clockmeister
"The Watcher" <The_Might...@NOSPAMYahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'd still take the new Metallica song over any song on VH III. Haven't
heard
> Chinese Democracy, probably never will.
>
As bad a the new Metallica song is, I'd be inclined to agree with you on
that.
Regards,
Clockmeister.
Clockmeister
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Axl hasn't done anything worthwhile since Appetite for Destruction.
Regards,
Clockmeister.
Brutal Noodle
>
> In article <tZ2Ea.11$rD5....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>,
Accept for AJFA.
Catman the Great
I don't care very much about Metallica one way or the other these days, but
I've heard their new album being played at a record store and on the radio
(at least a couple songs) and what I've heard was pretty pathetic. The
"Load" albums may have been mediocre but those songs had melody and were put
together in a way that sounded fluid. These new songs sound like the band
sat down and wrote them all in a 1-hour session, jammed out a few boring
riffs and pasted them together. Yikes. I don't know, maybe there are good
songs that I haven't heard on the album, or something, but from what I've
heard this album seems to vindicate everyone who's ever uttered a negative
word toward Metallica since their early 90's album. Yes, folks, now it's
official, they really do suck.
Van Halen 3 was such a disgustingly awful, laughable train wreck of an album
that it single-handedly sunk Van Halen and made them a target for the
across-the-board ridicule they'd somehow escaped throughout years of sappy
shlock rock a-la Sammy Hagar in the 1990's. I was unable to find a single
positive thing to say about the album when it came out, and I still can't do
it. It may be the only album I own that never fails to give me a headache
when I listen to it. It's hard to imagine Eddie Van Halen was listening to
this shit and thinking "Yeah, hey, that's pretty good." If they play music
in Hell, this album gets heavy rotation.
"Chinese Democracy" isn't even a real album, it's not going to be released
this summer, on Labor Day next year, or any time after that. It doesn't even
exist as far as I or anybody else knows. This alone makes it the best album
of the bunch. No music is preferably to bad music, which is wasteful,
pointless, noisy and disrespectful.
In order, from least-offensive to worst:
#3: Chinese Democracy (sweet, sweet silence)
#2: St. Anger (Metallica's been going downhill for years)
#1: Van Halen 3 (an unspeakable crime against the ears of humanity)
With Regards,
Catman the Great
Andrew Lacroce
day, because its already dead. what it will be is axls awakening, because
he will realize that he cant do it alone.
andy
Rattus the RAT
shitty.
RAT
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Justin Patrick
"Andrew Lacroce" wrote in message
Right now there's legal jazz going on because the Offspring want to use that
title(chinese democracy) for their next release; if I heard that dj
correctly...........
--
Truth be told; I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal
lobotomy.
Justin
Holtz
Justin Patrick wrote:
> "Andrew Lacroce" wrote in message
> > when chinese democracy does come out it wont be guns n roses in its dying
> > day, because its already dead. what it will be is axls awakening, because
> > he will realize that he cant do it alone.
> > andy
>
> Right now there's legal jazz going on because the Offspring want to use that
> title(chinese democracy) for their next release; if I heard that dj
> correctly...........
>
Thats not true anymore, the Offspring decided to go with a different name, they
weren't serious to begin with it was just a joke.
Holtz.
>
> --
> Truth be told; I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal
> lobotomy.
> Justin
--
Rally Cat
gerr...@tnet.com.au says...
easily Metallica's worst, nothing comes even close. There are 6 songs
over 7 minutes that go NOWHERE. Vocals are horrible (WTF happened to
James' voice???), the lyrcis are uninspired and weak, and the guitars
get overwhelmed by the tin can drums.
I'll listen to Van Halen III againt before I touch St Anger. Atleast you
get Eddie's playing with III.
--
Rally Cat
"Let the Boston infidels bask in their illusion"
The Watcher
"Rally Cat"
and the guitars
> get overwhelmed by the tin can drums.
That's something I was going to mention about St. Anger and forgot till I
read this post. The production of the single is horrendous. What happened to
all the great rock producers out there?
TMW
-ha-
decision, but i listened to it many times until today... if I look into the
song as a new wave metal track, well not that bad (reminds me of killswitch
engage at some moments)...
chinese democracy? i have so much doubts.. who's not?! I think "rhiad and
the bedouins" and "silkworms" are the worst tracks from that
"upcoming-since-5-years" album. the other 3 songs are alright. both. really.
does VH3 so very shitty? ok not a good one, but VH3 sucks deeply?
-ha-
sandman89
the drum tone on the 1st single, too. they do sound like tin cans or
something. it's just way off.
________
The_Might...@NOSPAMYahoo.com (The Watcher)
sandman89
least put your quote on a sticker on the album cover =)
Van Halen 3: an unspeakable crime against the ears of humanity!
Clockmeister
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i'm glad it wasn't just me- i was wondering what the fuck was up with
the drum tone on the 1st single, too. they do sound like tin cans or
something. it's just way off.
The whole single sounds weak, like James has lost his balls or something
too.
That is what happens when you fuck with your core sound and piss off your
core fans... when your 15 minutes of commercial fame are up you ain't got
nothing left.
The kiddies have grown up and Metallica is of their cool list...
Regards,
Clockmeister.
The Cat
says...
Its not just the first single, its the entire album. Its horrible. I
would listen to "How Many Say I" before I'd listen to half of the songs
on St Anger. They are truely that bad.
--
The Cat
Clockmeister
"The Cat" <ple...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Holy shit, I'll be looking for it in the bargain bins then I guess...
Regards,
Clockmeister.
The Watcher
Metallica in somewhat and made them more melodic (for better or worse). Is
he still 'their producer'? What I hear of St. Anger doesn't sound like a Bob
Rock production.
TMW
Maneatingcow
>
>Its not just the first single, its the entire album.
No doubt. I struggle to find a song that I can TOLERATE.
That is NOT a good album
Maneatingcow
I thought Bob Rock got seriously injured in a canoing expedition and
hsn't producd in years....
sandman89
trujillo (an awesome bassist, btw) wasn't hired until recently.
________
The_Mighty_Watcher@NOSPAMYahoo.c
Clockmeister
The single sounds so sloppy, it's hard to believe it's the same people
responsible for one of my favourite albums, Master of Puppets :-(
Regards,
Clockmeister.
Clockmeister
"sandman89" <sand...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> least put your quote on a sticker on the album cover =)
>
>
> Van Halen 3: an unspeakable crime against the ears of humanity!
>
Would have made it worth the $2 I paid for it out of the bargain (or was
it?) bin.
Regards,
Clockmeister.
The Cat
acdc18...@hotmail.com says...
I am amazed anyone gets past the third song, "Some Kind Of Monster". Its
like being in a nightmare, when is it going to be over?
Clockmeister
> In article <rfe7ev0irf5erat9n...@4ax.com>,
> acdc18...@hotmail.com says...
> > On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:45:03 -0400, The Cat <ple...@nomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Its not just the first single, its the entire album.
> >
> > No doubt. I struggle to find a song that I can TOLERATE.
> >
> > That is NOT a good album
> >
>
> I am amazed anyone gets past the third song, "Some Kind Of Monster". Its
> like being in a nightmare, when is it going to be over?
>
Lars has found a copy protection system that works ;-)
Regards,
Clockmeister.
The Watcher
wants to hide his shitty playing. I've heard him play guitar in his own
band, it was called 'rockhead' or somthing I forget. As a musician he makes
a fantastic producer... until now.
TMW
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Justin Patrick
"Clockmeister" > wrote in message
> Lars has found a copy protection system that works ;-)
>
Ha, that's awesome! Since I haven't heard anything from the album in
question, and never really gave two fucks about them to care for that
matter, I can only imagine that since Lars was so pissed that people
wouldn't pay for his material in the first place, he would give them
something worth that price.:P
The Cat
gerr...@tnet.com.au says...
Maneatingcow
(sandman89) wrote:
>not only did bob rock produce this album, he also played bass. robert
>trujillo (an awesome bassist, btw) wasn't hired until recently.
>
He produced this latest shit???
Boy does he need to call it a career...
Superman
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24 The Clock Is Ticking...
> What is the worst of these albums from these bands in their dying
> days?
>
> (Go by GNR bootlegs as reference for the yet ot be released Chinese
> Democracy)
>
> I think St Anger is even worse than Van Halen 3. Thoughts?
Here's a St. Anger VH III connection from encycmet.com :
NO. 2 on Billboard
"St. Anger" bows at No. 2 on Billboard's Mainstream Rock Tracks tally
after just two days in the shops. The metal act's 21st song to reach the
chart. "St. Anger" is the highest entry on the chart since Van Halen's
"Without You" debuted at No. 1 in March 1998. It trails only Audioslave's
"Like a Stone," which leads the tally for a ninth-straight week.
Justin Patrick
"24 The Clock Is Ticking..." < wrote in message
> It trails only Audioslave's "Like a Stone," which leads the tally for a
ninth-straight week.
>
That song is still on the charts!??!!?
What the fuck is wrong with rock music today.............
24 The Clock Is Ticking...
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The Hon. John Frink
>> "24 The Clock Is Ticking..." < wrote in message
>> > It trails only Audioslave's "Like a Stone," which leads the tally for a
>> ninth-straight week.
>> >
>>
>> That song is still on the charts!??!!?
>>
>>
>> What the fuck is wrong with rock music today.............
>>
>>
>> --
>> Truth be told; I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal
>> lobotomy.
>> Justin
>>
>>
>Yeah, I thought LAS was one of the weaker tracks on the album.
>
You should all be listening to Radioheads new album anyway.
Audioslave.....get real.
"Look, if she's not into cockfighting, she's not worth dating."
Justin Patrick
"The Hon. John Frink" > wrote in message
> You should all be listening to Radioheads new album anyway.
> Audioslave.....get real.
>
Radiohead never did anything for me, I didn't see the big deal really. The
last rock cd I bought was the latest Disturbed. Now that dude can sing! Ed
had better get back with Roth for one final party before rock as we
know/knew it swirls down the toilet forever........
sandman89
can tolerate a bunch of whiney pussies like radiohead. they are soooo
weak.
______
johnn...@aol.com-MC5-
The Hon. John Frink
>can tolerate a bunch of whiney pussies like radiohead. they are soooo
>weak.
>
Hmmm, weak as re-recording the same syrypy alterna-ballad on every new album
like the Red Hot Chili Peppers kind of weak? Or coming up with new, ambient,
dark and moody songs with quality kind of weak?
sandman89
frusciante but at least some of it is listenable and they had some balls
at one point in their careers. radiohead's testicles never developed-
they shrivelled up, fell off and sprouted pussies from day 1. radiohead
has to be 1 of the worst god damn bands on this god forsaken planet. i
just don't see how people can even tolerate them. i just think they
totally blow goats and am really surprised you like them. they don't
seem like your sort of band, at all.
_______
johnn...@aol.com-MC5-
Allan H
They'll release the album when there is such a thing...
We'll see both about the same time... Probably never.
<< "Chinese Democracy" isn't even a real album, it's not going to be released
this summer, on Labor Day next year, or any time after that. It doesn't even
exist as far as I or anybody else knows. >>
The Hon. John Frink
>frusciante but at least some of it is listenable and they had some balls
>at one point in their careers.
Dude. A LONG time ago. To me, the RHCP were an 80's band along the same lines
as Metallica or something.
>radiohead's testicles never developed-
>they shrivelled up, fell off and sprouted pussies from day 1.
Alas they don't go to rehab every leap year but they still manage to put out
really good music. Have you seriously listened to OK Computer or did you just
really write them off after Fake PLastic Trees? I can understand if you did but
their stuff from 1997 to present is untouchable.
>radiohead
>has to be 1 of the worst god damn bands on this god forsaken planet.
They're really not.
>i just think they
>totally blow goats and am really surprised you like them. they don't
>seem like your sort of band, at all.
They're one of my favorite bands of all time. I mean, they're aren't supposed
to be a get-down-have-a-funky-goodtime band. Their music induces suicide for
the most part. If you're not into bleak music, then of course you're going to
hate them.
Daniel Dreibelbis
johnn...@aol.com-MC5- (The Hon. John Frink) wrote:
> >even i'll admit i'm not that hot over the last 2 rhcp albums with
> >frusciante but at least some of it is listenable and they had some balls
> >at one point in their careers.
>
> Dude. A LONG time ago. To me, the RHCP were an 80's band along the same lines
> as Metallica or something.
I find it interesting that Frusciante agrees the new album isn't
quite there in an interview he did with a guitar magazine recently, he
wishes he could've done more on it to make it more complete. In any
case, he also mentions that he and Flea are putting out an instrumental
album pretty soon in which they explore some wilder territory.
>
> >radiohead's testicles never developed-
> >they shrivelled up, fell off and sprouted pussies from day 1.
>
> Alas they don't go to rehab every leap year but they still manage to put out
> really good music. Have you seriously listened to OK Computer or did you just
> really write them off after Fake PLastic Trees? I can understand if you did
> but their stuff from 1997 to present is untouchable.
_OK Computer_ is one killer album, I liken it to John Lennon fronting
Pink Floyd :)
--
Dan Dreibelbis, Guitar Nerd - Better Living Through Home Recording
song #5 - "Cranked Old Man" - now available
http://www.mp3.com/dan_dreibelbis
The Zany Rogue
album that?
sandman89
sandman89
them off after Fake PLastic Trees? I can understand if you did but their
stuff from 1997 to present is untouchable.
***i actually went to the trouble of borrowing ok computer from the
library and it was one of the most bring things i've ever had to endure.
They're one of my favorite bands of all time.
***they just don't seem like your kind of band with all the whining.
sandman89
I find it interesting that Frusciante agrees the new
album isn't quite there in an interview he did with a guitar magazine
recently, he wishes he could've done more on it to make it more
complete. In any case, he also mentions that he and Flea are putting out
an instrumental album pretty soon in which they explore some wilder
territory.
***from what i understand, he wasn't happy with the way rubin mixed the
songs- didn't seem all that happy with his production. they've had a
long run with rubin and i think it might be time for a change on the
next album.
the next new album from frusciante should be a solo album but flea and
chad play a bit but john sings, so i'm not sure about the instrumental
album comment. actually, now that i think about it, i think they've (jf
and flea) have been collaborating with one of the mars volota guys
(omar?) on the project you're talking about but i kinda think it may not
see the light of day. at least not for awhile.
Michael L. Vielhaber
> In article <DIuEa.2$z_5....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>, gerr...@tnet.com.au
> says...> > news:19655-3EE...@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > i'm glad it wasn't just me- i was wondering what the fuck was up with
> > the drum tone on the 1st single, too. they do sound like tin cans or
> > something. it's just way off.
> >
> > The whole single sounds weak, like James has lost his balls or something
> > too.
> > That is what happens when you fuck with your core sound and piss off your
> > core fans... when your 15 minutes of commercial fame are up you ain't got
> > nothing left.
> >
> > The kiddies have grown up and Metallica is of their cool list...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Clockmeister.
> >
>
> Its not just the first single, its the entire album. Its horrible. I
> would listen to "How Many Say I" before I'd listen to half of the songs
> on St Anger. They are truely that bad.
well i personally like both VHIII(sometimes more so than others...its
all about the mood but i think it's a good album) and st. anger. st.
anger had to grow on me but i like it it's just a big jam. even so
i'm not happy with the direction they decided to go for the production
and the snare drum. as well as i think they shouldve found someway to
incorporate a solo here and there rather than leave them out
completely. if you want to read about the production here's an
article for you.. http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1472644/20030612/index.jhtml?headlines=true
The Hon. John Frink
>
>***they just don't seem like your kind of band with all the whining.
Goddamnit, James!! I'm not gonna tell you again! Pussies can make good music
from time to time. Of course for every Radiohead there are going to be a bunch
of Coldplays and other halfassed copycats!
I dunno, I guess I could see you listening to Paranoid Android and going "Jesus
dude, just kill yourself, you fucking crybaby" but to me it's really cool
because of the absolute honestly of which it comes through. Maybe they're
pretentious, but most rock stars are. All I hear is honesty when I listen to
Radiohead.
Now quit fucking around and trying to defend RHCP for their last 10 years of
absolute shite!!
Michael L. Vielhaber
> Holtz wrote:
> >
> > Maneatingcow wrote:
> >
> >
> >>What is the worst of these albums from these bands in their dying
> >>days?
> >>
> >>(Go by GNR bootlegs as reference for the yet ot be released Chinese
> >>Democracy)
> >>
> >>I think St Anger is even worse than Van Halen 3. Thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Holtz.
> >
> > Remove LAYDOWNWITH#13 to reply
> >
> > My bootleg list,
> > http://www.tapetrader.com/Holtz
> >
> >
>
> The song St Anger kept my attention when I heard it
> for the first time a few days ago. Well, until Mark
> started singing. The really should've hunted for a new
> vocalist along with the new bassist. I can't stand the
> intentional cracking of his voice he's adopted in his
> style.
i can't even imagine what band you're thinking of.....but there is no
mark in metallica
Michael L. Vielhaber
> "The Hon. John Frink" > wrote in message
> > You should all be listening to Radioheads new album anyway.
> > Audioslave.....get real.
> >
>
> Radiohead never did anything for me, I didn't see the big deal really. The
> last rock cd I bought was the latest Disturbed. Now that dude can sing! Ed
> had better get back with Roth for one final party before rock as we
> know/knew it swirls down the toilet forever........
i got that album back around november....and i probably listened to it
front to back everyday for 2 months....uit's a great album....but also
listeneing to it that much it did sort of wear on me...now i bring it
out every now and then
Michael L. Vielhaber
the only album that i truly like from RHCP is californication....i
tried BSSM but i couldn't get into it. and anything before that i've
never even heard minus higher ground.
sandman89
Goddamnit, James!! I'm not gonna tell you again! Pussies can make good
music from time to time.
***pussies can make good music. radiohead are just boring, whiney
pussies who make annoying music.
it's just that i would never have guessed in a bazillion years that you
were a fan of a band like radiohead. it's almost like finding out
there's no santa for the first time =) i guess every dude has his
sensative side- i like chris isaak, juliana hatfield and al green.
Maybe they're pretentious, but most rock stars are.
***radiohead are pretentious in a really bad, extremely boring, very
annoying way. i fucking hate those limp dicks!! i just can not fathom
how people can get into that band. they're so weak, it does not compute
with me that someone could actually enjoy their whiney drizzle. did i
mention i hate them and that they bore me to death?? =)
sandman89
had been out of the band for 6 yrs and was still recovering from some
intense drug abuse). mother's milk (which higher ground is on) is very
cool. it's a little more hard rock than most of their stuff. frusciante
was only 18 back then.
_______
saxmac...@sbcglobal.net
The Hon. John Frink
>pussies who make annoying music
You obviously haven't listened to them enough. Everything from OK Computer to
their newest album (with the exception of Amnesiac) is pure fuckin' spaced out
gold. Do you even remotely like detatched, spaced out, suicidal music? They're
like early Pink Floyd on mescaline with a 21st century studio and the ability
to create musical landscapes Floyd never thought possible. They kick every band
from Englands ass. You don't think Juliana Hatfield whines? What the fuck? You
make Radiohead sound like some kind of Smiths wannabe band. They fucking rock
space, ace. Pyramid Song, Paranoid Android, How To Dissapear Completely...these
are songs you need to cook up in a spoon and inject directly. Get off the
"wesocraazaywefromsuthurncalifornia" vibe and get with the 21st century sounds
of the end of the world.
> i fucking hate those limp dicks!! i just can not fathom
>how people can get into that band. they're so weak, it does not compute
>with me that someone could actually enjoy their whiney drizzle. did i
>mention i hate them and that they bore me to death?? =)
Dude, just because they all don't have heroin problems and an overrated junkie
guitar player, wear socks on their dicks and rehash the same album every 4
years doesn't mean they suck! I know you have a RHCP tattoo but we all make
mistakes! You can disown them! It's not too late and no one will think lesser
of you!
The Hon. John Frink
Dude, on the second hand, just stay away from Radiohead.
Space Ace
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