GW: Do you like Joe Perry?
VAN HALEN: I don't like him because I don't think he likes me. I met
him once. I walked up to shake his hand, and he looked at me and
walked away. As a guitarist I don't think he's that good. He lacks
feel.
"There were 777 green JEMs made,
and I signed each one of them."
- Steve Vai (Guitar Player Magazine - 5/88)
Hmmmm... that's interesting. I had always heard that Joe and Eddie
didn't like each other. I don't see what Joe has to be jealous of Eddie
for, he (Joe Perry) might not get mentioned in the "guitar greats"
discussion like Eddie seems to always be the topic of, but Aerosmith
has had a very successful career and Joe without a doubt has been a
huge part of that. I have to disagree with Eddie though on what point,
Joe definitely has feel. Aerosmith has done some blues covers which
display this.
Meanwhile, I just saw a post that said the interview is from 1981 and
things have changed since then. So I guess this was old news.
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Oh come on, it took Ed 15 years to learn how to play with feeling (Respect
the Wind, the solo in Me Wise Magic, etc)!
With Regards,
Catman the Great
>In article <37c8dc2e.15811969@news>,
> n...@here.com (Steve Vai) wrote:
>> haahaa! it seems as if joe perry is jealous of mr.van halen....
>>
>> GW: Do you like Joe Perry?
>>
>> VAN HALEN: I don't like him because I don't think he likes me. I met
>> him once. I walked up to shake his hand, and he looked at me and
>> walked away. As a guitarist I don't think he's that good. He lacks
>> feel.
>>
>> "There were 777 green JEMs made,
>> and I signed each one of them."
>> - Steve Vai (Guitar Player Magazine - 5/88)
>>
>
>Hmmmm... that's interesting. I had always heard that Joe and Eddie
>didn't like each other. I don't see what Joe has to be jealous of Eddie
>for, he (Joe Perry) might not get mentioned in the "guitar greats"
>discussion like Eddie seems to always be the topic of, but Aerosmith
>has had a very successful career and Joe without a doubt has been a
>huge part of that. I have to disagree with Eddie though on what point,
>Joe definitely has feel. Aerosmith has done some blues covers which
>display this.
>
>Meanwhile, I just saw a post that said the interview is from 1981 and
>things have changed since then. So I guess this was old news.
>
>
>-The REAL Bill Bailey (and not that imposter Axl Rose!)
>
>"I LOVE IT!" : )
>
>
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also in an interview (i think mtv fanatic?) someone said something
about joe being a guitar hero and he said "no that's eddie's job,he is
the poster boy for the guitar".....i thought it was quite hillarious
cause i didnt expect it and he sounded like a pissed woman or
something...... maybe Steven Tyler will join Van Halen? Van Tyler?
What's wrong with Running With The Devil? That solo does plenty for me.
From the start Eddie has played with a beauty and excitement which
rivals anyone IMO.
>> haahaa! it seems as if joe perry is jealous of mr.van halen....
>>
>> GW: Do you like Joe Perry?
>>
>> VAN HALEN: I don't like him because I don't think he likes me. I met
>> him once. I walked up to shake his hand, and he looked at me and
>> walked away. As a guitarist I don't think he's that good. He lacks
>> feel.
>
>Oh come on, it took Ed 15 years to learn how to play with feeling (Respect
>the Wind, the solo in Me Wise Magic, etc)!
...now now, that's harsh. "Little Dreamer" off VHI is amazing - the
solo's gut wrenching. Plus, just to throw another one in, listen to
Ed's intro to "Women in Love" off VHII. Beautiful, shimmering, etc.
...and this is without even discussing "316," etc.
All solos from the first album, Fair Warning and F.U.C.K are gut wrenching and
yeah there's no need discussing "316" live. Oh yeah, Ed's right, Joe Perry had
no feel back in the 80's. He had always played sloppy. Not only are all of his
solos of the 1-3-5 sequence, he didn't use much vibrato and bending. To make it
short, he sucked. Just because Ed started the diatonic revolution, it doesn't
mean he didn't have feel like the blues players.
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i love Little Dreamer...a certain friend of mine (Hi Chad) hates it...he can
deal.
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You know, the more I think about it, what I said wasn't accurate. Eddie's
playing on earlier albums had much more emotion in it than I originally gave
credit for. I still think he got better over time, but I wasn't quite right.
We can all be wrong sometimes. Oh well.
> ...and this is without even discussing "316," etc.
No, I always thought 316 was great. From VH's club days to '91 is about 15
years or so.
rog...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:03:34 -0700, "Catman the Great"
> <Paradi...@catlover.com> wrote:
>
> >> haahaa! it seems as if joe perry is jealous of mr.van halen....
> >>
> >> GW: Do you like Joe Perry?
> >>
> >> VAN HALEN: I don't like him because I don't think he likes me. I met
> >> him once. I walked up to shake his hand, and he looked at me and
> >> walked away. As a guitarist I don't think he's that good. He lacks
> >> feel.
> >
> >Oh come on, it took Ed 15 years to learn how to play with feeling (Respect
> >the Wind, the solo in Me Wise Magic, etc)!
>
> ...now now, that's harsh. "Little Dreamer" off VHI is amazing - the
> solo's gut wrenching. Plus, just to throw another one in, listen to
> Ed's intro to "Women in Love" off VHII. Beautiful, shimmering, etc.
>
> ...and this is without even discussing "316," etc.
>
> >
> >With Regards,
> >Catman the Great
> >
> >
I agree Eddie has always played with emotion. Listen to Cathedral or
316. Listen to F.U.C.K, VH1 or Fair Warning. Ed is musically dynamic and
heart wrenching. The solo for A Year To The Day is also beautiful.
The man in concert is also amazing. He lights up his cigarette, sticks it
at the end of his guitar, closes his eyes and plays from the heart. He feels
the music he's playing-you've got to be blind not to notice that.
Mario VH
>...now now, that's harsh. "Little Dreamer" off VHI is amazing - the
>solo's gut wrenching. Plus, just to throw another one in, listen to
>Ed's intro to "Women in Love" off VHII. Beautiful, shimmering, etc.
>
>...and this is without even discussing "316," etc.
>
>
Yes, the introduction to Women in Love is awesome, has always been one
of my favorite... that beautiful "poppy" (NOT like Pop music) type of
chop sounds like shimes blowing in the wind. That and Simple Rhyme is
kewl too. I like em all! Gimme some more Eddie!!!!
FromAfar
>> ...now now, that's harsh. "Little Dreamer" off VHI is amazing - the
>> solo's gut wrenching. Plus, just to throw another one in, listen to
>> Ed's intro to "Women in Love" off VHII. Beautiful, shimmering, etc.
>
>You know, the more I think about it, what I said wasn't accurate. Eddie's
>playing on earlier albums had much more emotion in it than I originally gave
>credit for. I still think he got better over time, but I wasn't quite right.
>We can all be wrong sometimes. Oh well.
...yeah, but I agree with this, in terms of he stretched over time
etc. Sonically and style wise, the solo in "Little Dreamer" and
"Humans Being" aren't even on the same planet, yet both absolutely
kill me - LD sounds really desperate and morose, while HB is just
grinding, powerful, in your face stuff - that single note attack and
bend he does in HB floors me every time.
>
_____________________________________________________________________________
"...youth, energy, and talent will never succeed against old age, experience,
cunning, and treachery." - bigmc
>>...now now, that's harsh. "Little Dreamer" off VHI is amazing - the
>>solo's gut wrenching. Plus, just to throw another one in, listen to
>>Ed's intro to "Women in Love" off VHII. Beautiful, shimmering, etc.
>>
>
>All solos from the first album, Fair Warning and F.U.C.K are gut wrenching and
>yeah there's no need discussing "316" live. Oh yeah, Ed's right, Joe Perry had
>no feel back in the 80's. He had always played sloppy. Not only are all of his
>solos of the 1-3-5 sequence, he didn't use much vibrato and bending. To make it
>short, he sucked. Just because Ed started the diatonic revolution, it doesn't
>mean he didn't have feel like the blues players.
...yeah - not only that, but his (Joe Perry's) solos are downright
boring - I was listening to "Rag Doll" the other day, and not only
does his tone suck, but the entire solo shows no creativity or
anything else.
>> "Little Dreamer" off VHI is amazing - the solo's gut wrenching.
>
>i love Little Dreamer...a certain friend of mine (Hi Chad) hates it...he can
>deal.
...LOL 'nuff said.
>
>
>
>
>Take nothing but pictures. Leave nothing but footprints. Kill nothing but time.
...I swear you've got the coolest sig lines around.
>
>jenni
>
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> Can't Eddie just chill??? So Joe Perry snubbed him. It doesn't mean
> Eddie has to bash him as a player. Sheesh!!!!!! Joe Perry is a great
> player, IMO!!!!
Joe Perry sucks. He was in the right place at the right time. I wouldn't
even rank him in the top 500 guitarists.
There's guys on the VHML that can play better than Perry.........
shut up fatass,joe perry rocks,he isnt an eddie type,his influences
were chuck berry and blues players not drugs.the players on the vhml
wish they could tap into perry's creativity. choke down another turkey
fatty and then come back.
Am I the only guy here who likes both Joe and Eddie? I agree Rag Doll is a
shit solo, but what about anything from Get a Grip or Nine Lives? Perry has
gotten better with age. A lot of the old Aerosmith rocked too... the guitar
fills in Dream On, the solo on Mama Kin, etc. I like Perry's solos because
they are basically just fucked up. Who knows why he plays the notes he does?
They often don't belong to a scale, but it just sounds cool.
Rob
Anyone who doubts Eddie's ability to play with feeling should check out Love
Walks In... particularly a live version.
Rob
isnt that supposed to be about aliens or something?
why, thank you.
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> Am I the only guy here who likes both Joe and Eddie? I agree Rag Doll is a
> shit solo, but what about anything from Get a Grip or Nine Lives? Perry has
> gotten better with age. A lot of the old Aerosmith rocked too... the guitar
> fills in Dream On, the solo on Mama Kin, etc. I like Perry's solos because
> they are basically just fucked up. Who knows why he plays the notes he does?
> They often don't belong to a scale, but it just sounds cool.
I like Joe's guitar work. Listen closely to some of his solos and tell
me that he tunes his guitar. He sounds like he's still rehearsing in a
garage versus being in one of the biggest rock bands ever. Sloppy, often
off-key, and definitely an original style. He sounds like he's playing
for pure enjoyment and doesn't give a hoot about technique.
You are NOT the only one. I like BOTH Eddie VH and Joe Perry. They are
BOTH great in what they do. They just play different styles of guitar
, and that is all. I love Joe's bluesy sound and I agree that he gets
better with age. I love Eddie's technical ability and in quite a lot
of instances, emotional sound as well. No reason, why I must choose
to like one over the other.
Rob write:
Am I the only guy here who likes both Joe and Eddie? I agree Rag Doll is
a shit solo, but what about anything from Get a Grip or Nine Lives?
Perry has gotten better with age. A lot of the old Aerosmith rocked
too... the guitar fills in Dream On, the solo on Mama Kin, etc. I like
Perry's solos because they are basically just fucked up. Who knows why
he plays the notes he does? They often don't belong to a scale, but it
just sounds cool.
Rob
>> >All solos from the first album, Fair Warning and F.U.C.K are gut
>wrenching and
>> >yeah there's no need discussing "316" live. Oh yeah, Ed's right, Joe
>Perry had
>> >no feel back in the 80's. He had always played sloppy. Not only are all
>of his
>> >solos of the 1-3-5 sequence, he didn't use much vibrato and bending. To
>make it
>> >short, he sucked. Just because Ed started the diatonic revolution, it
>doesn't
>> >mean he didn't have feel like the blues players.
>>
>> ...yeah - not only that, but his (Joe Perry's) solos are downright
>> boring - I was listening to "Rag Doll" the other day, and not only
>> does his tone suck, but the entire solo shows no creativity or
>> anything else.
>
>Am I the only guy here who likes both Joe and Eddie? I agree Rag Doll is a
>shit solo, but what about anything from Get a Grip or Nine Lives? Perry has
>gotten better with age. A lot of the old Aerosmith rocked too... the guitar
>fills in Dream On, the solo on Mama Kin, etc. I like Perry's solos because
>they are basically just fucked up. Who knows why he plays the notes he does?
>They often don't belong to a scale, but it just sounds cool.
...I don't dislike Joe at all...I absolutely dig his older Aerosmith
stuff, but, IMO, he's more of a memorable hook riff-meister ("Walk
This Way," "Same Old Song and Dance") and not so much of a memorable
soloist.
...but, yeah, his fills in "Dream On" are very tasty.
>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:16:28 -0500, Bill O'Neill <w...@5150.com> wrote:
>
>>Terri Bey wrote:
>>
>>> Can't Eddie just chill??? So Joe Perry snubbed him. It doesn't mean
>>> Eddie has to bash him as a player. Sheesh!!!!!! Joe Perry is a great
>>> player, IMO!!!!
>>
>>Joe Perry sucks. He was in the right place at the right time. I wouldn't
>>even rank him in the top 500 guitarists.
>>
>>There's guys on the VHML that can play better than Perry.........
>
>
>shut up fatass,joe perry rocks,he isnt an eddie type,his influences
>were chuck berry and blues players not drugs.
...uh - yes, his influences were primarily the blues, but don't kid
yourself - he's been under the influence of more chemicals than an
entire 'Nam platoon exposed to Agent Orange.
haahaa.
me too. i love adam's apple, mama kin, round and round, lord of the thighs,
nobody's fault...you get the pic.... great stuff...
jen
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Terri Bey wrote:
> Rob,
>
> You are NOT the only one. I like BOTH Eddie VH and Joe Perry. They are
> BOTH great in what they do. They just play different styles of guitar
> , and that is all. I love Joe's bluesy sound and I agree that he gets
> better with age. I love Eddie's technical ability and in quite a lot
> of instances, emotional sound as well. No reason, why I must choose
> to like one over the other.
>
> Rob write:
>
> Am I the only guy here who likes both Joe and Eddie? I agree Rag Doll is
> a shit solo, but what about anything from Get a Grip or Nine Lives?
> Perry has gotten better with age. A lot of the old Aerosmith rocked
> too... the guitar fills in Dream On, the solo on Mama Kin, etc. I like
> Perry's solos because they are basically just fucked up. Who knows why
> he plays the notes he does? They often don't belong to a scale, but it
> just sounds cool.
> Rob
>
> Keep Rockin'
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>
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> Terri Diane Bey SAID SO!!!!!
>
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>
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Joe is a good player. Ed is the King. I like Joe. This whole shit
about Ed not liking Joe or vice versa is just a bunch of bull.
Mario VH
I agree about his soloing, not very memorable. However, he plays with
emotion and writes great hooks. He'll probably be remembered more as a
guitarist for than some dude who just wanks all the time to show off.
>Anyone who doubts Eddie's ability to play with feeling should check out Love
>Walks In... particularly a live version.
>
Umm.. I thought the solo sucked ;P I think, the solo to Love Walks.. was Ed's
worst tone. The live version was an improvement though(probably because
ernieballs tone is much cleaner), sounds better, and he nailed it note for
note.
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>...uh - yes, his influences were primarily the blues, but don't kid
>yourself - he's been under the influence of more chemicals than an
>entire 'Nam platoon exposed to Agent Orange.
Hell, the whole band used to STAY whacked out on dope... Jerry Garcia
once said that Aerosmith was the biggerst bunch of druggies he'd ever
seen in his life.
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yeah....and you use your television to get access to the Internet too.....
;)
Hey....it's all personal opinion. Last time I looked we're all entitled to
our own!
WHat is your point? Lots of guitarists took chemicals, including Eddie
( alcohol, primarily). It doesn't mean he wasn't a great player.
Rogue writes:
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:30:28 GMT, n...@here.com (Steve Vai) wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:16:28 -0500, Bill O'Neill <w...@5150.com> wrote:
Terri Bey wrote:
Can't Eddie just chill??? So Joe Perry snubbed him. It doesn't mean
Eddie has to bash him as a player. Sheesh!!!!!! Joe Perry is a great
player, IMO!!!!
Joe Perry sucks. He was in the right place at the right time. I wouldn't
even rank him in the top 500 guitarists.
There's guys on the VHML that can play better than Perry.........
shut up fatass,joe perry rocks,he isnt an eddie type,his influences were
chuck berry and blues players not drugs.
..uh - yes, his influences were primarily the blues, but don't kid
yourself - he's been under the influence of more chemicals than an
entire 'Nam platoon exposed to Agent Orange.
Keep Rockin'
Yes.
> In my opinion Eddie is
>all flash and razzle dazzle, give me a Perry riff any day of the week,
>or Nugent.
Eddie is king of shred.
>you guys gave BuckCherry a listen yet, what do you all think???
LoL BuckCherry? never heard of them. If that was a typo, and you were referring
to Chuck Berry, yeah he da man, the inventor of riffing.
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Joe Perry isn't that bad a guitar player. Umm yeah...
Anyway, the reason why Aerosmith almost disbanded(or did they?) in the 70s was
because of Perry's and Tyler's drug problems
Buckcherry is a decent band, yet far too derivative of the Black Crowes.
Rob
>>Nothing against Eddie, he's a great player, but nobody's solo's get me
>>going more than Joe Fuckin' Perry.
>
>Yes.
>
>> In my opinion Eddie is
>>all flash and razzle dazzle, give me a Perry riff any day of the week,
>>or Nugent.
>
>Eddie is king of shred.
who told you this misleading fact?
>
>>you guys gave BuckCherry a listen yet, what do you all think???
>
>LoL BuckCherry? never heard of them. If that was a typo, and you were referring
>to Chuck Berry, yeah he da man, the inventor of riffing.
>
haahaa buckcherry =chuck berry....
>________________________
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>>Eddie is king of shred.
>
>who told you this misleading fact?
>
geee i dunno, i happen to have all their albums. i would recomment to you to go
pick-up a guitar so that you would have first hand info on what you're talking
about.
>stevevai wrote:
>
>>>Eddie is king of shred.
>>
>>who told you this misleading fact?
>>
>
>geee i dunno, i happen to have all their albums. i would recomment to you to go
>pick-up a guitar so that you would have first hand info on what you're talking
>about.
i play an ibanez RG deluxe,very kick ass guitar and vai's playing is
the hardest to play.....next to al dimeola
>
>________________________
>[Oj] |::| [Oj] Turntable Rapist
>>you guys gave BuckCherry a listen yet, what do you all think???
>
>LoL BuckCherry? never heard of them. If that was a typo, and you were referring
>to Chuck Berry, yeah he da man, the inventor of riffing.
>
>________________________
>[Oj] |::| [Oj] Turntable Rapist
That Buck Cherry is that band that does the "I love the Cocaine, I
love the Cocaine" song.... they have a new song out for a movie I
think, but I wouldn't call em good. They are your basic here today
gone tomorrow band, give em 3 years.
FromAfar
>Rogue,
>
>WHat is your point? Lots of guitarists took chemicals, including Eddie
>( alcohol, primarily). It doesn't mean he wasn't a great player.
...if you read the post I'm responding to, the writer said Joe 's
influences "weren't drugs." Nowhere did I say he was the only
musician to ever do drugs, nor did I imply it affected his playing.
Name a song that isn't off Gems. LOL, just joking. Great CD, if there's
anyone who thinks that Aerosmith can't rock just put this in and watch
their jaw drop to the floor.
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>i play an ibanez RG deluxe,very kick ass guitar and vai's playing is
>the hardest to play.....next to al dimeola
Steve's an electric guitar player. If you're a speedster doofus(ok nevermind
the doofus), w/c means you're into that fretboard burner guitargod thing, you
won't find Vai's playing that difficult. I took Jazz guitar(yeah jazz!) and I
find his playing chicken feed. I'm not saying I'm as good as him coz Hell NO
I'm not! Yeah right I wish! John McLaughlin, Andres Segovia, John Williams,
Paco De Lucia, now those are hard.
Eddie may have built the kingdom but I believe Paul Gilbert is the current
king. Doesn't he hold the world record for fastest shredding?
Rob
exactly! i have others ~A~ cds than Gems, but it was playing at the time.....
yngwie is the fastest of them all.....even though it all sounds the
same.
yes they are very hard but if you dont have 2 foot long fingers you
can forget about playing any steve vai material.
>
>________________________
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> who is jo parry?
Jo Mama's brother.
>§teve Vai posted to alt.music.van-halen:
>
> > who is jo parry?
>
>Jo Mama's brother.
must be cause i dont know who jo parry is.
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