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Rushgedlife

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Jul 16, 2008, 4:49:01 PM7/16/08
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Pearl Jam
Comcast Center
Mansfield, Mass.
June 28, 30, 2008
$2,193,228
39,800 / 39,800
2 / 2
$62, $42
Live Nation

Pearl Jam
New England Dodge Music Center
Hartford, Conn.
June 27, 2008
$1,010,464
21,492 / 21,492
1 / 1
$62, $42
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
Ford Amphitheatre
Tampa, Fla.
July 3, 2008
$402,504
10,020 / 17,459
1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
Cruzan Amphitheatre
West Palm Beach, Fla.
July 1, 2008
$339,716
8,700 / 19,438
1 / 0
$95, $10
Live Nation

Billy Joel
Mohegan Sun Arena
Uncasville, Conn.
May 23-July 5, 2008
$9,557,771
96,058 / 96,058
10 / 10
$99.50, $49.50
Live Nation

Kenny Chesney, Brooks & Dunn, Sammy Hagar, LeAnn Rimes, Gary Allan
Turner Field
Atlanta, Ga.
July 13, 2008
$2,934,831
42,832 / 46,128
1 / 0
$110, $89.50, $49.50, $24
The Messina Group/AEG Live

Eric Clapton
Molson Amphitheatre
Toronto, Ontario
May 27, 2008
$1,654,187
15,916 / 15,916
1 / 1
$227.52, $41.46
Live Nation

Rush
United Center
Chicago, Ill.
June 9, 2008
$802,843
10,600 / 10,863
1 / 0
$125, $47.50
Live Nation Global Touring

Mark Knopfler
Chicago Theatre
Chicago, Ill.
July 13, 2008
$290,799
3,449 / 3,449
1 / 1
$106, $71, $51
Jam Productions

Robert Plant, Alison Krauss
Dodge Theatre
Phoenix, Ariz.
July 1, 2008
$279,888
3,890 / 4,873
1 / 0
$122, $42
Live Nation

Ted Nugent
DTE Energy Music Center
Clarkston, Mich.
July 4, 2008
$125,203
14,938 / 14,938
1 / 1
$39.50, $15, $10, $3.75
Palace Sports & Entertainment

Ministry, Hemlock, Meshuggah
Kool Haus
Toronto, Ontario
May 4, 2008
$113,175
2,467 / 2,467
1 / 1
$98.14, $41.71
Live Nation

slammer@socalrrrrr.com The Mighty T.B.

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Jul 16, 2008, 5:00:49 PM7/16/08
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"Rushgedlife" wrote:

(snip)

> Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
> Cruzan Amphitheatre
> West Palm Beach, Fla.
> July 1, 2008
> $339,716
> 8,700 / 19,438
> 1 / 0
> $95, $10
> Live Nation

Heh, this tour's gonna be the flop of the Summer.

> Ted Nugent
> DTE Energy Music Center
> Clarkston, Mich.
> July 4, 2008
> $125,203
> 14,938 / 14,938
> 1 / 1
> $39.50, $15, $10, $3.75
> Palace Sports & Entertainment

WTF?!? I can't imagine Nugent selling out a skate rink anywhere in the
country, even in Redneckville, USA. I guess it was because it was July 4th
and maybe people were allowed to bring and fire their guns in the arena that
it did so well.

> Ministry, Hemlock, Meshuggah
> Kool Haus
> Toronto, Ontario
> May 4, 2008
> $113,175
> 2,467 / 2,467
> 1 / 1
> $98.14, $41.71
> Live Nation

Big fan of Ministry but this so-called farewell tour has really blown goats.
Jorgenson doesn't even sing on the few classic 90's tracks they play for the
encore and the barely 90 minute set in general focused almost completely on
the last 3 lousy anti-GW Bush albums.

T.B.

TW

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Jul 16, 2008, 5:24:59 PM7/16/08
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"The Mighty T.B." wrote:
> > Ted Nugent
> > DTE Energy Music Center
> > Clarkston, Mich.
> > July 4, 2008
> > $125,203
> > 14,938 / 14,938
> > 1 / 1
> > $39.50, $15, $10, $3.75
> > Palace Sports & Entertainment
>
> WTF?!?  I can't imagine Nugent selling out a skate rink anywhere in the
> country, even in Redneckville, USA.  I guess it was because it was July 4th
> and maybe people were allowed to bring and fire their guns in the arena that
> it did so well.

I believe Detroit is his hometown.

..... and he is practically giving away those tickets for free.

GoBucky

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Jul 17, 2008, 11:29:51 AM7/17/08
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On Jul 16, 4:00�pm, "The Mighty T.B." <party slam...@socalrrrrr.com>
wrote:

I'm a huge Ministry fan, and I totally agree. I was at the last show
in Chicago, and it was a joke! They did do 2 hours, but 4 classic
songs on a farewell tour. Four sold out shows in your hometown and not
one setlist change? It was very disappointing!

GoBucky

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Jul 17, 2008, 11:31:04 AM7/17/08
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The mighty Pearl Jam just keeps rolling into sold out arena's and
sheds!

Sal Video

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Jul 17, 2008, 3:57:00 PM7/17/08
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"The Mighty T.B." <party sla...@socalrrrrr.com> wrote in message
news:4q-dnRB7i8KL_OPV...@giganews.com...

> "Rushgedlife" wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
>> Cruzan Amphitheatre
>> West Palm Beach, Fla.
>> July 1, 2008
>> $339,716
>> 8,700 / 19,438
>> 1 / 0
>> $95, $10
>> Live Nation
>
> Heh, this tour's gonna be the flop of the Summer.

Their audience is just becoming more selective.


Rushgedlife

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Jul 18, 2008, 5:20:59 PM7/18/08
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T.B. wrote:

>Heh, this tour's gonna be the flop of the Summer.

Those are good numbers for the Crue (8,700 & 10,020).

>WTF?!? I can't imagine Nugent selling out a skate rink
>anywhere in the country, even in Redneckville, USA.

It's an aberration for the Nuge (definitely a home town crowd).

At least he's able to draw a big crowd somewhere.
A lot of bands can't draw flies anymore.
Hagar's able to draw 20K in St Louis, 15-16K in Detroit, etc.
More power to them.

Rushgedlife

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Jul 18, 2008, 5:22:29 PM7/18/08
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GoBucky wrote:

>I'm a huge Ministry fan, and I totally agree. I was at
>the last show in Chicago

They're a good band.
I used to be bigger fan years ago.

Ministry, Meshuggah, Hemlock
House of Blues
Chicago, Ill.
May 8-11, 2008
$228,178
4,912 / 5,329
4 / 3
$43.50, $41.50
House of Blues

=====

"Hagar had Hagar before Van Halen, and Montrose
was probably one of the greatest heavy metal
bands of all time."

- Tommy Victor (Ministry)

Rushgedlife

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Jul 27, 2008, 10:31:33 AM7/27/08
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Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
Camp Nou
Barcelona, Spain
July 19-20, 2008
$14,182,721
143,804 / 143,804
2 / 2
$111.25, $104.98, $89.31
Dr Music

Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, Sammy Hagar, LeAnn Rimes, Gary Allan
Lincoln Financial Field
Philadelphia, Pa.
July 19, 2008
$4,519,632
49,169 / 50,017
1 / 0
$103.50, $83.50
Eagles Stadium Operators/The Messina Group/AEG Live

Billy Joel
Hersheypark Stadium
Hershey, Pa.
July 10, 2008
$2,217,276
27,452 / 27,452
1 / 1
$90, $44.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Charlotte, N.C.
July 5, 2008
$524,782
12,544 / 18,808
1 / 0
$95, $24.75
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Nikon at Jones Beach Theater
Wantagh, N.Y.
July 8, 2008
$428,494
8,990 / 13,827
1 / 0
$99, $35.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Virginia Beach, Va.
July 6, 2008
$346,623
10,238 / 20,015


1 / 0
$95, $10
Live Nation

Robert Plant, Alison Krauss
Chastain Park Amphitheatre
Atlanta, Ga.
July 10, 2008
$498,320
6,686 / 6,686
1 / 1
$78.50, $38.50
Live Nation

Boston, Styx
Marymoor Park Amphitheater
Redmond, Wash.
July 10, 2008
$272,436
4,700 / 4,700
1 / 1
$79.50, $49.50
Live Nation/Lakeside Group

Poison
Starlight Theatre
Kansas City, Mo.
July 9, 2008
$159,664
4,529 / 7,493
1 / 0
$125, $35
Live Nation/Mammoth/in-house

Billy Idol
The Fillmore
San Francisco, Calif.
June 27, 2008
$59,351
1,297 / 1,297
1 / 1
$49.50
Live Nation

Dethklok Live with Chimaira, Solient Green
The Tabernacle
Atlanta, Ga.
July 2, 2008
$55,463
2,562 / 2,562
1 / 1
$22.50
Live Nation

Rushgedlife

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Jul 30, 2008, 5:18:42 PM7/30/08
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Billy Joel
Shea Stadium
Flushing, N.Y.
July 16, 18, 2008
$12,861,833
117,743 / 117,743
2 / 2
$98, $49.50
Live Nation/MJS Entertainment

Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, Sammy Hagar, LeAnn Rimes, Gary Allan

Gillette Stadium
Foxboro, Mass.
July 26, 2008
$5,274,364
57,394 / 57,394
1 / 1
$104.50, $79.50, $49.50
New England Country Music Festival/The Messina Group/AEG Live

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

DTE Energy Music Center
Clarkston, Mich.

July 15, 2008
$663,966
15,601 / 15,601
1 / 1
$96, $27
Live Nation/Palace Sports & Entertainment

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Nissan Pavilion at Stone Ridge
Bristow, Va.
July 13, 2008
$511,825
11,527 / 23,287


1 / 0
$95, $29.50

Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Susquehanna Bank Center
Camden, N.J.
July 12, 2008
$488,938
11,102 / 25,326
1 / 0
$99, $26.50
Live Nation

Rushgedlife

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Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
Giants Stadium
East Rutherford, N.J.
July 27-28, 31, 2008
$14,201,938
164,070 / 164,070
3 / 3
$95, $65
New Jersey Sports & Exposition Authority

Bon Jovi
Madison Square Garden
New York, N.Y.
July 14-15, 2008
$4,079,017
36,536 / 36,536
2 / 2
$300, $125, $75, $45
Concerts West/AEG Live

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Toyota Center
Houston, Texas
July 22, 2008
$582,735
10,347 / 11,666
1 / 0
$95, $35
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Verizon Wireless Music Center
Noblesville, Ind.
July 18, 2008
$558,528
15,012 / 24,680
1 / 0
$94.50, $29
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Superpages.com Center
Dallas, Texas
July 24, 2008
$481,765
12,155 / 20,033
1 / 0
$95, $25
Live Nation/Clear Channel Radio

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Verizon Wireless Amphitheater St. Louis
Maryland Heights, Mo.
July 20, 2008
$389,991
10,908 / 20,950
1 / 0
$225, $24.75
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Selma, Texas
July 23, 2008
$348,989
9,252 / 19,921


1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Boston, Styx
Charter One Pavilion
Chicago, Ill.
July 23, 2008
$265,205
6,440 / 7,312
1 / 0
$71, $21
Live Nation

Poison, Dokken, Sebastian Bach


Mohegan Sun Arena
Uncasville, Conn.

July 29, 2008
$233,000
7,290 / 7,376
1 / 0
$30
Artists Group International

The Cult
The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel
Las Vegas, Nev.
May 24, 2008
$56,549
1,027 / 1,824
1 / 0
$125, $55, $49.50
AEG Live

Rushgedlife

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Aug 14, 2008, 5:29:22 AM8/14/08
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Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
Journal Pavilion
Albuquerque, N.M.
July 26, 2008
$521,390
13,065 / 14,996

1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
USANA Amphitheatre
West Valley City, Utah
July 29, 2008
$500,195
12,558 / 20,000


1 / 0
$95, $29.50

Live Nation/United Concerts

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre
Englewood, Colo.
July 27, 2008
$484,301
11,688 / 16,962


1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt
Cricket Wireless Pavilion
Phoenix, Ariz.
July 31, 2008
$310,306
11,558 / 20,156
1 / 0
$95, $4
Live Nation/in-house

The Mighty TB

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Aug 14, 2008, 12:29:49 PM8/14/08
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"Rushgedlife" wrote:

FAIL!

Poor word-of-mouth is killing this tour. It should have been Crue and
Buckcherry and one other similar *Strong* hard rock band with everyone
playing full length sets instead of shit like The Crue lazily cranking out a
uninspired 12 song Best Of setlist.

T.B.


Homer Simpson

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"The Mighty TB" <partyslammer@sowcal. ahrahr.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of these "all day fest" type tours. I'd rather get a
full setlist from 2 bands (3 tops) that I am into.
If there are 5 or more bands on the bill, you get a short set from each, and
you probably don't know or care for 2-3 of the bands on the bill. Plus extra
time and money to attend one of these things...

In the case of the Crue, I saw them back in the glory days of 1987
(Whitesnake opened for them!) For me to see them again today, I'd want a
long diverse setlist with some favorites, some deep cuts and some new
songs - even though their new album is a bit mediocre.


The Chris

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"Homer Simpson" <jdm...@cox.net> wrote in news:Vv%ok.612$dB6.6
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Eh... I don't kwow what you're talking about.. The setlist was kind of
diverse... Of course they did hits, but they did things I didn't expect.

And the new album, IMO is REALLY good.

Rushgedlife

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Aug 16, 2008, 2:33:53 PM8/16/08
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T.B. wrote:

>FAIL!
>
>Poor word-of-mouth is killing this tour.

Those are very good numbers for the Crue.

They're drawing about 11,500 per show and the average gross is well
over 450K.

They're dinosaurs. They don't draw huge crowds anymore.
Even on their much hyped reunion tour (05/06) there were many crowds
of only 4-5K (some as small as 3,000).

Don't get distracted by the huge *potential* capacities of the sheds
they're playing.
It really isn't relevant.
What's important is the actual attendance.

They're looking for outdoor venues that can accommodate 10,000+ and
are able to handle a festival (that make a huge amount of money on
concessions).
They're not expecting to sell out all of the cheap lawn seats in these
huge outdoor sheds (most bands never do).

Many tours are struggling a bit this summer at the outdoor sheds (due
to gas prices, etc.).
Even well-established names and big country acts that always draw
extremely well.
Many are drawing crowds of only 5 or 6 thousand (some even less):

Iron Maiden, Lauren Harris


Susquehanna Bank Center
Camden, N.J.

June 17, 2008
$358,915
7,779 / 25,265
1 / 0
$75, $29.50
Live Nation

Rockstar Energy Mayhem Festival: Slipknot, Disturbed, DragonForce,
Mastodon & others
Sleep Train Amphitheatre
Marysville, Calif.
July 14, 2008
$276,927
9,029 / 18,500
1 / 0
$49.50, $29.50
Live Nation/TOC

Tim McGraw, Jason Aldean, Halfway To Hazard
Lakewood Amphitheatre
Atlanta, Ga.
June 11, 2008
$334,764
6,881 / 17,882
1 / 0
$64, $34
Live Nation

John Mayer, Colbie Caillat, Brett Dennen


Cricket Wireless Pavilion
Phoenix, Ariz.

July 30, 2008
$313,618
9,755 / 20,001
1 / 0
$49.50, $25
Live Nation

3 Doors Down, Staind, Hinder
Marcus Amphitheatre
Milwaukee, Wis.
July 12, 2008
$182,024
5,796 / 21,580
1 / 0
$70, $20
Live Nation/in-house

Maroon5, Counting Crows, Sara Bareilles
Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain
Scranton, Pa.
July 26, 2008
$223,036
7,730 / 17,213
1 / 0
$126, $29
Live Nation

Sheryl Crow, James Blunt, Toots & The Maytals
Saratoga Performing Arts Center
Saratoga Springs, N.Y.
July 31, 2008
$203,847
5,760 / 25,210
1 / 0
$76, $20
Live Nation

311, Snoop Dogg, Fiction Plane
Time Warner Cable Music Pavilion at Walnut Creek
Raleigh, N.C.
July 23, 2008
$146,360
8,350 / 20,006
1 / 0
$40, $10
Live Nation

Vans Warped Tour
Capitol Federal Park at Sandstone
Bonner Springs, Kan.
July 2, 2008
$301,120
10,607 / 18,000
1 / 0
$31.60
Live Nation/Mammoth/in-house

Steve Miller Band, Joe Cocker
First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre
Tinley Park, Ill.
July 5, 2008
$182,510
9,356 / 28,630
1 / 0
$59.50, $29.50
Live Nation

Poison, Dokken, Sebastian Bach


Nissan Pavilion at Stone Ridge
Bristow, Va.

July 31, 2008
$162,972
8,690 / 22,575
1 / 0
$45, $4
Live Nation

Foreigner, Bryan Adams
Superpages.com Center
Dallas, Texas
July 26, 2008
$192,022
6,790 / 19,922
1 / 0
$65, $10
Live Nation

Brad Paisley, Jewel, Chuck Wicks, Julianne Hough
Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain
Scranton, Pa.
July 25, 2008
$335,544
7,520 / 17,221
1 / 0
$57.25, $32.50
Live Nation

Martina McBride, Jack Ingram, Chris Young


DTE Energy Music Center
Clarkston, Mich.

July 11, 2008
$178,933
7,652 / 15,214
1 / 0
$79.75, $22


Live Nation/Palace Sports & Entertainment

Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Ray Price, Pat Green, Los Lonely Boys,
Asleep At The Wheel, Zach Brown, David Allan Coe, Ray Wylie Hubbard,
Billy Joe Shaver


Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Selma, Texas

July 4, 2008
$243,790
8,861 / 19,322
1 / 0
$59.50, $19.50
Live Nation/TOC

Lynyrd Skynyrd, Hank Williams Jr., Pat Green
Constellation Brands-Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center
Canandaigua, N.Y.
June 21, 2008
$179,594
4,557 / 14,514
1 / 0
$69.50, $29.50
Metropolitan Talent Presents/in-house

Dave Matthews Band, Michael Franti & Spearhead
Time Warner Cable Music Pavilion at Walnut Creek
Raleigh, N.C.
July 2, 2008
$562,845
13,918 / 20,036
1 / 0
$62.50, $32.50
Live Nation

Chicago, The Doobie Brothers, Nicola Congiu


Susquehanna Bank Center
Camden, N.J.

June 26, 2008
$248,207
5,429 / 24,970
1 / 0
$86, $9.75
Live Nation

Stevie Nicks, Peter Cincotti
PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.
June 29, 2008
$287,900
6,113 / 16,996
1 / 0
$125.25, $25.25
Live Nation

R.E.M., Modest Mouse, The National
Time Warner Cable Music Pavilion at Walnut Creek
Raleigh, N.C.
June 10, 2008
$293,764
9,507 / 20,036
1 / 0
$69, $17.25
Live Nation

Stone Temple Pilots, Saliva, Chevelle, Copperview, Cavo, Another
Animal, Ashes Divide
Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Maryland Heights, Mo.
June 8, 2008
$182,017
8,413 / 21,000
1 / 0
$49
Live Nation

True Colors Tour: Cyndi Lauper, The B-52's, Joan Jett & The
Blackhearts, Wanda Sykes, Andy Bell, Carson Kressley, Lili Haydn
Superpages.com Center
Dallas, Texas
June 22, 2008
$179,639
7,589 / 19,878
1 / 0
$126, $26
Live Nation

The Mighty TB

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Aug 16, 2008, 9:38:31 PM8/16/08
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"Rushgedlife" wrote:

> T.B. wrote:
>
>>FAIL!
>>
>>Poor word-of-mouth is killing this tour.
>
> Those are very good numbers for the Crue.
>
> They're drawing about 11,500 per show and the average gross is well
> over 450K.
>
> They're dinosaurs. They don't draw huge crowds anymore.
> Even on their much hyped reunion tour (05/06) there were many crowds
> of only 4-5K (some as small as 3,000).
>
> Don't get distracted by the huge *potential* capacities of the sheds
> they're playing.
> It really isn't relevant.
> What's important is the actual attendance.
>
> They're looking for outdoor venues that can accommodate 10,000+ and
> are able to handle a festival (that make a huge amount of money on
> concessions).
> They're not expecting to sell out all of the cheap lawn seats in these
> huge outdoor sheds (most bands never do).
>
> Many tours are struggling a bit this summer at the outdoor sheds (due
> to gas prices, etc.).
> Even well-established names and big country acts that always draw
> extremely well.
> Many are drawing crowds of only 5 or 6 thousand (some even less):


(snip)

I'm a bit surprised to see the Iron Maiden show doing so poorly, but that's
more because I personally like the band and thought their current tour is
excellent (I caught the sold out LA Forum show earlier this year) and
generally doing well. On the other hand, almost all of the other multi-band
package tours look terrible and I'm not surprised to see any of them doing
poorly.

As for Motley Crue, you forget one critical thing about a band or festival
package consistently failure to sell a decent number of tickets throughout a
tour. Promoters look very carefully at how well a band does when
considering booking them for a tour and in the case of Motley Crue, the
consistently poor numbers they're doing for this tour in relation to the
size venues they've booked means they will likely not get Live Nation or any
other promoter to book them at such large venues on any future tour. Sure,
a promoter will carry their next tour, but it would likely be smaller 3,000
average capacity type theaters.

Also, the expense of booking say, a large outdoor 15 - 30K capacity
amphitheater versus a indoor 3 - 5K capacity indoor venue can add up to
hundreds of thousands of dollars difference *per* venue. The band(s) are
trucking a larger stage, pa and lighting and the number of personnel both
with the band and working each venue is vastly different comparing venue
sizes. Not to mention the price to book the venue itself. That means a lot
when a tour and the promoter is trying to make a profit on an average of 50%
tickets sold.

Sorry, but the "huge *potential* capacities of the sheds" is *very*
relevant.

T.B.

TW

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Aug 17, 2008, 8:20:51 AM8/17/08
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"The Mighty TB" wrote:
> Sorry, but the "huge *potential* capacities of the sheds" is *very*
> relevant.

I find it very comical how almost everything is now a "success":

Alice Cooper selling less than 10k in one week and dropping 100 spots
the next week is considered a success.

Rush failing to sell out 99% of their shows is considered a success.

Journey selling a marginal amounts of a double album and a DVD sold
for the price of one album is considered a success.

Motley Crue playing to 30% capacity is considered a success.

Rush's last album failing to go gold is considered a success.

But apparently that seems to be the latest Rushtolian tactic... to
trivialize success to the point where *everything* is great and
*everything* is successful.

There are no standards anymore. There are no parameters.
What *used* to be considered successful means nothing.
We may as well tip our hat to everything.... even crappy hair bands
like Cinderella.

It's like a little kiddy game of musical chairs where they place more
chairs than kids so everyone will be a winner.
It's really nothing more than the last act of a desperate man.

When Billboard called the last Van Halen tour a "massive success",
Rushgedlife was devastated. Everything he dedicated the last four
years of his life to came crumbling down in that instant. It was
clear to him that the Roth era was the clear winner over the Hagar
era. It became clear to him that he wasted the last four years of his
life. He even disappeared from AMVH for a while because with every
great review and every sold out show, he began to meltdown a little
more each day. People on AMVH were ignoring him left and right.
Everybody was trashing him. That can be pretty painful for someone
with no friends, girlfriend, job, etc.

But instead of salvaging whatever dignity he had left and staying
away, he came back and went through desperate measures to somehow
justify his agenda for the last four years. He even started
crossposting to another newsgroup in order to even the playing field.
And now he hopes to trivialize success to the point where it shouldn't
matter to us that this Van Halen tour was the most successful in the
history of the band. It shouldn't matter that Van Halen played in
front of 90,000 people. It shouldn't matter that Van Halen sold out
99% of their tickets..... because everything is successful and Van
Halen is just another success in a line of successes.

But we all know that isn't true. Most bands will never touch the
success that Van Halen had in 2007-08 nor will most bands be as
successful as the Roth era of Van Halen. The Roth era has stood the
test of time and Journey, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, etc. have not.

The Mighty TB

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"TW" wrote:

(snip)

> But we all know that isn't true. Most bands will never touch the
> success that Van Halen had in 2007-08 nor will most bands be as
> successful as the Roth era of Van Halen. The Roth era has stood the
> test of time and Journey, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, etc. have not.

That's a knockout punch. Game, set, match.

T.B.

Rushgedlife

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TW wrote:

>this Van Halen tour was the most successful
>in the history of the band

Really?

Next you'll tell me that the Police reunion tour (also a once-in-
lifetime, 20+ years in the making event) was the most successful in
the history of the band :)

Rushgedlife

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T.B. wrote:

>I'm a bit surprised to see the Iron Maiden show doing
>so poorly, but that's more because I personally like
>the band and thought their current tour is excellent
>(I caught the sold out LA Forum show earlier this year)
>and generally doing well.

The Maiden tour actually did quite well.
They struggled a bit during the summer months (when they played huge
sheds).

In today's music environment, it's difficult for metal/hard rock bands
(Maiden, Crue, Heaven and Hell, Gigantour, etc.) to sell out huge
venues in the summer.

It's more about genre than word of mouth, setlists, etc.

Last year's Heaven and Hell tour is a good example.
The band was *tight* and they sounded great.
Reasonable ticket prices and good bills.
Attendance was disappointing.

Heaven and Hell, Queensryche, Alice Cooper
Darien Lake Performing Arts Center
Darien Center, N.Y.
Sept. 19, 2007
$165,818
6,191 / 21,676
1 / 0
$59.50, $20
Live Nation

Heaven and Hell, Queensryche, Alice Cooper
Sleep Train Pavilion at Concord
Concord, Calif.
Sept. 30, 2007
$156,792
3,211 / 12,500
1 / 0
$71, $25
Live Nation

Heaven and Hell, Megadeth, Machine Head


Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Selma, Texas

May 1, 2007
$151,864
6,094 / 19,262
1 / 0
$47.50, $15
Live Nation

Heaven and Hell, Megadeth, Machine Head


PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.

May 19, 2007
$335,887
7,756 / 16,952
1 / 0
$59.25, $20
Live Nation

Heaven and Hell, Megadeth, Machine Head
Journal Pavilion
Albuquerque, N.M.
April 28, 2007
$252,237
7,185 / 14,992
1 / 0
$49, $25
Live Nation

Heaven and Hell, Alice Cooper, Queensryche
Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Irvine, Calif.
Oct. 6, 2007
$324,049
8,993 / 16,013
1 / 0
$65, $29.50
Live Nation

Heaven and Hell, Megadeth, Machine Head
Merriweather Post Pavilion
Columbia, Md.
May 18, 2007
$290,458
6,463 / 10,000


1 / 0
$49.50, $29.50

I.M.P

Rushgedlife

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Aug 17, 2008, 3:00:37 PM8/17/08
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T.B. wrote:

>As for Motley Crue, you forget one critical thing about
>a band or festival package consistently failure to sell a
>decent number of tickets throughout a tour. Promoters
>look very carefully at how well a band does when
>considering booking them for a tour and in the case of
>Motley Crue, the consistently poor numbers they're doing
>for this tour in relation to the size venues they've booked
>means they will likely not get Live Nation or any other
>promoter to book them at such large venues on any future
>tour.

They're doing fine this tour.
Averaging 11,500 per show and playing to 60% capacity (at huge
venues).
The promoters are getting exactly what they expected (even more).

>Not to mention the price to book the venue itself. That means
>a lot when a tour and the promoter is trying to make a profit
>on an average of 50% tickets sold.

The sheds are dirt cheap.
Many of the same bands play them year after year after year (at a
fraction of capacity).
They're not doing it because they're losing money :)

A lot of them can only draw 1-2K during the winter months (at their
solo shows), then team up and play the huge sheds during the summer.
Often drawing less than 10K (sometimes only 5 or 6K) and often times
grossing under $200K.

Poison, Styx, Foreigner, Bryan Adams, Steve Miller, Chicago, Doobie
Brothers, Counting Crows, Ratt, Cinderella, Journey, Def Leppard,
Lynyrd Skynyrd, REO Speedwagon, Peter Frampton, George Thorogood, .38
Special, etc.

Even bigger names like the Allman Brothers and the Family Values Tour
often draw much less than 50% at these huge sheds.

TW

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Aug 17, 2008, 3:28:27 PM8/17/08
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Rushgedlife wrote:
>the Police reunion tour (also a once-in-lifetime, 20+ years in the >making event) was the most successful in the history of the band :)

And that's another thing...

What is with this "once-in-a-lifetime" stuff?

When did anybody promoting the Van Halen tour ever say that the
reunion was "once in a lifetime"? If I remember correctly, they were
saying the exact opposite... that the whole ambition was to keep the
band as an ongoing thing and to be the complete opposite the Police,
which was obviously a once-in-a-lifetime thing that we will never see
again.

The Van Halen tour was *never* promoted as something that you would
only be able to see once in your life. In fact, it was promoted as a
new beginning with a completely new lineup..... 3 quarters original, 1
part inevitable.

20 years in the making? The Van Hagar 2004 Bore Tour was 10 years in
the making. It was Eddie finally waking up after 6 years of
hibernation. It was the original Van Hagar lineup. They wanted it to
be a big deal. But it failed. So clearly, something that is years in
the making isn't automatically going to be successful.

The last Van Halen tour didn't have the original bass player and they
also had to overcome a huge backlash of bad publicity garnered over
the last decade. There was the 96 and 04 reunion debacles, Lead
Singer's Disease, Gary Cherone acting like a homo on stage, Eddie
appearing at public events wasted out of his mind, David Lee Roth
becoming a late show punchline, Michael Anthony being replaced with an
acne-riddled teen, etc.

*You* even said that the average fan appeared to believe that the
reunion was a farce and that it was 10 years too late. Every other
post was "How badly will this reunion fail?"

So really, the 07-08 reunion had all the odds against it and it turned
out to be, as Billboard puts it, a "massive success". There were
dozens and dozens of articles saying the same thing. The success of
this reunion is clear to everyone except for you. I know the truth
hurts. You'd be better off joining the Roth fans... because you'll
never beat them. :)

The Mighty TB

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"Rushgedlife" wrote:


No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

T.B.

Rushgedlife

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Aug 18, 2008, 4:30:58 PM8/18/08
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T.B. wrote:

>No offense, but you have no idea what you're
>talking about.

As far as?

The Crue were playing tiny venues at the end of 2006.

Even in 2005 (during their big reunion) they played huge sheds that
were often less than half-filled.

What makes you think they expect to be filling huge 20,000 seat venues
in 2008?

Because Buckcherry and Papa Roach are on the bill :)

Buckcherry and Papa Roach toured amphitheaters last year (opening for
Hinder).
They drew crowds of only 3-4K (tickets were about $30).

The Crue were earning guarantees of up to $250K for their reunion
tour.
This year they're probably only getting around $150K.
They're doing fine if they're grossing $450K per show and drawing
11,500 fans to an all-day festival (all-day concessions).

Motley Crue
House of Blues
North Myrtle Beach, S.C.
Nov. 21, 2006
$130,834
1,311 / 2,067
1 / 0
$99
House of Blues

Motley Crue
John Labatt Centre
London, Ontario
Dec. 4, 2006
$160,885
3,051 / 3,199
1 / 0
$61.17, $50.68
Global Spectrum

Hinder, Revelation Theory, Buckcherry, Papa Roach
Time Warner Cable Amphitheater at Tower City
Cleveland, Ohio
Aug. 24, 2007
$92,501
3,769 / 6,000
1 / 0
$35, $29.50
Live Nation

Hinder, Revelation Theory, Buckcherry, Papa Roach
Post-Gazette Pavilion at Star Lake
Burgettstown, Pa.
Aug. 22, 2007
$86,285
3,581 / 7,070
1 / 0
$35, $25
Live Nation

Rushgedlife

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Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
Hersheypark Stadium
Hershey, Pa.
Aug. 19, 2008
$2,995,575
31,020 / 31,020
1 / 1
$95, $65
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

San Manuel Amphitheater
Devore, Calif.
Aug. 2, 2008
$601,024
16,572 / 41,480


1 / 0
$95, $10

Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Mandalay Bay Events Center
Las Vegas, Nev.
Aug. 1, 2008
$585,232
7,985 / 8,349
1 / 0
$95, $55
Live Nation/Andrew Hewitt Co.

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre
Tinley Park, Ill.

July 16, 2008
$470,217
9,432 / 20,630


1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx: AM, Trapt

Shoreline Amphitheatre
Mountain View, Calif.
Aug. 6, 2008
$290,799
7,602 / 22,000


1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Eddie Vedder
United Palace
New York, N.Y.
Aug. 4-5, 2008
$483,075
6,491 / 6,491
2 / 2
$75
Live Nation

Eddie Vedder
Opera House
Boston, Mass.
Aug. 1-2, 2008
$396,490
5,168 / 5,168
2 / 2
$77.50
Live Nation/Broadway Across America

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament


Nissan Pavilion at Stone Ridge
Bristow, Va.

Aug. 7, 2008
$322,802
11,137 / 22,583
1 / 0
$125, $23.50
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament


Susquehanna Bank Center
Camden, N.J.

Aug. 6, 2008
$278,694
7,059 / 24,935
1 / 0
$125, $18.75
Live Nation

Boston, Styx
Comcast Center
Mansfield, Mass.
Aug. 3, 2008
$231,130
5,569 / 15,031
1 / 0
$60, $25
Live Nation

Extreme, King's X
Bank of America Pavilion
Boston, Mass.
July 31, 2008
$82,385
2,614 / 5,205
1 / 0
$45, $25
Live Nation

Curse Of Millhaven

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On Aug 18, 1:30 pm, Rushgedlife <rushgedl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> T.B. wrote:
> >No offense, but you have no idea what you're
> >talking about.
>
> As far as?
>

Troll Boy is clueless as usual. I have worked at sheds (and on
nationwide tours) and the percentage of artists who fills them front
to back is very small. We would book anything and everything since we
are only open part of the year and can scale down as necessary. That
means booking artists who would otherwise be stuck in theatres and
clubs off season or if touring arenas, would have to bring more
production and build the stages from scratch. And touring with 4 or 5
shitty openers makes mad money for the concessions. How many of these
people actually want to stay in their seats and watch Papa Roach?

The Mighty TB

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Aug 21, 2008, 1:58:36 PM8/21/08
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"Curse Of Millhaven" aka "Last Chance Power Douche" farted:

Troll Boy is clueless as usual. I have worked at sheds (and on
nationwide tours) and the percentage of artists who fills them front
to back is very small. We would book anything and everything since we
are only open part of the year and can scale down as necessary. That
means booking artists who would otherwise be stuck in theatres and
clubs off season or if touring arenas, would have to bring more
production and build the stages from scratch. And touring with 4 or 5
shitty openers makes mad money for the concessions. How many of these
people actually want to stay in their seats and watch Papa Roach?

++++++++++

Another one of my faithful followers pops out from under his rock........

Of course, being a part-time bathroom attendant at Verizon Amphitheater in
Irvine makes you some sort of genius when it comes to knowing how the
concert industry works. Maybe you should stick to trolling the Springsteen
newsgroups for info on Bruce's wife (as usual).

BTW, what's the update on you getting disability for mental stress (there's
a shock) and being kicked out of your apartment?

T.B.

Curse Of Millhaven

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Aug 21, 2008, 4:27:14 PM8/21/08
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On Aug 21, 10:58 am, "The Mighty TB" <partyslammer@sowcal. ahrahr.com>
wrote:

> Another one of my faithful followers pops out from under his rock........
>
> Of course, being a part-time bathroom attendant at Verizon Amphitheater in
> Irvine makes you some sort of genius when it comes to knowing how the
> concert industry works.  Maybe you should stick to trolling the Springsteen
> newsgroups for info on Bruce's wife (as usual).
>

Bathroom attendants at Verizon? I got news for you, that dude holding
your dick wasn't an attendant but I hope you tipped him well just the
same.


> BTW, what's the update on you getting disability for mental stress (there's
> a shock) and being kicked out of your apartment?
>
> T.B.

Changing the subject = you know you are getting pwned.

Maybe you should shut up and pay closer attention to those of us in
the know so you might learn something and make less of a fool of
yourself in the future.

The Motley Crue tour is doing just fine for the reasons explained
above, otherwise Live Nation wouldn't have signed them to a ten year,
$100 million deal.

The Mighty TB

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"Curse Of Millhaven" <mill...@intergate.com> wrote in message
news:35b30c9c-833f-4261...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 21, 10:58 am, "The Mighty TB" <partyslammer@sowcal. ahrahr.com>
wrote:

> Another one of my faithful followers pops out from under his rock........
>
> Of course, being a part-time bathroom attendant at Verizon Amphitheater in
> Irvine makes you some sort of genius when it comes to knowing how the
> concert industry works. Maybe you should stick to trolling the Springsteen
> newsgroups for info on Bruce's wife (as usual).
>

Bathroom attendants at Verizon? I got news for you, that dog holding
your dick wasn't an attendant but my mother and I hope you tipped her well
just the
same.


> BTW, what's the update on you getting disability for mental stress
> (there's
> a shock) and being kicked out of your apartment?
>
> T.B.

Changing the subject = you know you are getting close.

Maybe you should shut up and pay closer attention to those of us in

fantasyland
so you might learn something about clinical insanity and make less of a fool
of
freaks like me in the future.

The Motley Crue tour is doing just fine for the reasons explained
above, otherwise Live Nation wouldn't have signed them to a ten year,

$100 million deal because everyone knows Live Nation has never signed a bad
deal (>cough - Jay-Z<cough).


++++++++

Translation: I scored another bullseye on another whiner who bit off more
than he could chew.

Try harder next time, Millhouse.

T.B.

T.B.

Curse Of Millhaven

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On Aug 21, 4:58 pm, "The Mighty TB" <partyslammer@sowcal. ahrahr.com>
wrote:
> "Curse OfMillhaven" <millha...@intergate.com> wrote in messagenews:35b30c9c-833f-4261...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

Not even in your wildest dreams, dummy. You can't argue the point so
you start flailing wildly. What a loser.

Message has been deleted

The Mighty TB

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"Curse Of Millhaven" farted:

(snip)

Not even in your wildest dreams, dummy. You can't argue the point so
you start flailing wildly. What a loser.


++++++++

Shouldn't you spend more time looking for a job instead of posting on over
200 Usenet newsgroups?

T.B.

The Mighty TB

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Aug 22, 2008, 11:30:15 AM8/22/08
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"howldog" wrote:

(snip)

> what job or position in the ampitheatre, or booking or promotion
> industry, do you actually do?

This should be good.

FYI, this guy "Eddie" is a renowned troll on the Springsteen newsgroup among
others and a pathological liar. He normally goes by the screen name "Last
Chance Power Drive" there and you can get a pretty good idea of this
nutcase's mental condition just by a cursory search of his Google profile's
long posting history which includes a lot of drug and substance user
newsgroups:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=uKJwFhcAAAARDrH7t6Lw-gQZvZ5XFepsvXdMyPFXtNcUUzBqvSz3eA

And for even more chuckles, he has a Myspace page:

http://www.myspace.com/scopophobic

T.B.

Curse Of Millhaven

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On Aug 22, 7:01 am, howldog <howl...@yahoonospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT), Curse Of Millhaven
> what job or position in the ampitheatre, or booking or promotion
> industry, do you actually do?

Did. We're talking a long time ago. I am merely challenging this
idiots assertion that an amphitheatre tour has to come close to 100%
to be successful. As you can see, he isn't taking it well.

Message has been deleted

The Mighty TB

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"Curse Of Millhaven" queefed:

(snip)

> what job or position in the ampitheatre, or booking or promotion
> industry, do you actually do?

Did. We're talking a long time ago. I am merely challenging this
idiots assertion that an amphitheatre tour has to come close to 100%
to be successful. As you can see, he isn't taking it well.

++++++++++

HAHAHAHA!

"Did" what? So far, you haven't refuted my assertion the closest you came
to the "concert industry" was scrubbing toilets part time at local sheds.

Basically, all you've done so far is talked outta your ass exactly as you
always do.

Please, prove me wrong.

T.B.

Eternal September

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Aug 22, 2008, 4:19:49 PM8/22/08
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On Aug 22, 9:58 am, howldog <howl...@yahoonospam.com> wrote:

> so answer the fucking question, quit dancing around it. What position
> did you have when you either worked at the ampitheatre or for some
> promotion company?

Dance around it? I think I am going to pass on answering it altogether
(and I am not going to name the tours I worked on either). Sure this
paragraph will have the usual idiot frothing at the mouth but then
that's half the fun.

But then we are dealing with an obviously mentally disturbed
individual who can't back up any of his posts so he decides to change
the subject to my previous posts on other groups or to my MySpace
page. Who knows how much time he spent scouring my user profile and
past posts yet he has the nerve to tell ME to get a job and stop
spending so much time on the internet? Not the sort of person I want
to divulge even the slightest bit of personal information to though he
is probably digging for whatever tidbits he can find.

I would rather see him post why he thinks the Motley Crue tour should
be in theatres instead of sheds/arenas, or why this is a failure or
why he believes the OP doesn't know what he is talking about but it's
pretty obvious from his current conduct that he isn't be able to do
it.

He's a one trick pony, trolling and flaming is all he knows.

However, I will confirm that I have done janitiorial and custodial
work, just not at any amphitheatres. It was still work and I got paid.
When it came to menial teenage jobs it was still better than retail. I
don't feel it's anything to be ashamed of.

The Mighty TB

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"Eternal September" farted:


++++++

I rest my case.

T.B.

Rushgedlife

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This just in, Canada still loves Rush.
Cruefest still doing well.
The huge success of Rock N Roll Jesus buoys Kid Rock attendance.
Eddie Vedder still selling out everywhere.
The Metal Masters are a bit disappointing. Great bill (Priest, Heaven
and Hell, Motorhead), but a tough genre.
Who are O.A.R. & Ozomatli and why are they playing huge sheds?
BOC for $4.96, R.U. serious?

=====

Rush
Molson Amphitheatre
Toronto, Ontario
July 9, 2008
$900,480
15,949 / 15,949
1 / 1
$117.32, $10.91
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
Rexall Place
Edmonton, Alberta
Aug. 13, 2008
$781,272
11,590 / 11,590
1 / 1
$79.60, $36.99
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
Pengrowth Saddledome
Calgary, Alberta
Aug. 14, 2008
$719,780
10,013 / 10,013
1 / 1
$79.78, $37.07
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
White River Amphitheatre
Auburn, Wash.
Aug. 8, 2008
$619,476
14,266 / 19,532
1 / 0
$95, $24.75
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
General Motors Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
Aug. 11, 2008
$512,870
8,309 / 12,801
1 / 0
$79.73, $37.05
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
Credit Union Centre
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Aug. 15, 2008
$471,831
8,818 / 12,797
1 / 0
$70.61, $33.42
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
Rose Garden
Portland, Ore.
Aug. 9, 2008
$388,477
6,170 / 6,641
1 / 0
$95, $39.50
Live Nation

Kid Rock, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rev Run, Back Door Slam
Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
The Woodlands, Texas
Aug. 9, 2008
$659,702
16,276 / 16,276
1 / 1
$225, $29.50
Live Nation/in-house

Eddie Vedder
Auditorium Theatre
Chicago, Ill.
Aug. 21-22, 2008
$556,560
7,564 / 7,564
2 / 2
$75, $60
Jam Productions

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Nikon at Jones Beach Theater
Wantagh, N.Y.
Aug. 10, 2008
$506,499
9,096 / 13,855
1 / 0
$125, $10
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.

Aug. 9, 2008
$496,167
10,966 / 16,952


1 / 0
$125.25, $25.25
Live Nation

The Allman Brothers Band, Ratdog featuring Bob Weir
Bethel Woods Center for the Arts
Bethel, N.Y.
Aug. 12, 2008
$337,638
8,878 / 14,992
1 / 0
$79, $25
Live Nation/in-house

Boston, Styx


PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.

Aug. 10, 2008
$292,095
8,726 / 16,952
1 / 0
$69.25, $25.25
Live Nation

O.A.R., Ozomatli


Saratoga Performing Arts Center
Saratoga Springs, N.Y.

Aug. 10, 2008
$201,566
8,854 / 25,214
1 / 0
$35, $20
Live Nation

Poison, Dokken, Sebastian Bach


PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.

Aug. 12, 2008
$192,375
8,055 / 16,952
1 / 0
$71.25, $20.25
Live Nation

Scorpions, Ratt
Charter One Pavilion
Chicago, Ill.
Aug. 10, 2008
$187,895
4,918 / 7,290
1 / 0
$71, $21
Live Nation

Blue Oyster Cult
Lifestyle Communities Pavilion
Columbus, Ohio
July 3, 2008
$7,762
1,565 / 3,500
1 / 0
$4.96
PromoWest Productions

TW

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"Rushgedlife" wrote:
> This just in, Canada still loves Rush.

This just in: No they do not.

Rush
Bell Centre
Montreal, Quebec
$655,450
7,575/9,468
1/0
$87.70, $73, $58.30
Gillett Entertainment Group/Live Nation

ebw...@yahoo.com

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> Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
> Rose Garden
> Portland, Ore.
> Aug. 9, 2008
> $388,477
> 6,170 / 6,641
> 1 / 0
> $95, $39.50
> Live Nation

On Jul 16, 3:49 pm, Rushgedlife <rushgedl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Rush
> United Center
> Chicago, Ill.
> June 9, 2008
> $802,843
> 10,600 / 10,863
> 1 / 0
> $125, $47.50
> Live Nation Global Touring


The United Center is a basketball arena that holds something like
18-20k for a game. I'd say for a concert, capacity is somewhere around
15k. Same deal for the Rose Garden- I believe that's a basketball
arena, aswell. There's no way 6700 is capacity, if it is indeed a
basketball arena.


Rushgedlife

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ebw8419 wrote:

>The United Center is a basketball arena that holds
>something like 18-20k for a game. I'd say for a
>concert, capacity is somewhere around 15k.
>Same deal for the Rose Garden- I believe that's
>a basketball arena, aswell. There's no way 6700
>is capacity, if it is indeed a basketball arena.

You're absolutely correct.
As I've been saying for years, capacity can be misleading (it's
subjective and can be manipulated by promoters).

It happened a *lot* on the recent Van Halen tour.
Demand was very soft in a lot of markets and they often played huge
venues at a fraction of capacity.

A lot of their "sold-out" shows were quite dubious.

Low Demand + Lowered Capacity = Sold Out Show

Just a few examples (of many):

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band

John Paul Jones Arena
Charlottesville, Va.
April 30, 2008
$1,274,345
13,893 / 13,893


1 / 1
$95, $65

Live Nation/AEG Live/Red Light Management

Eagles
John Paul Jones Arena
Charlottesville, Va.
May 21, 2008
$1,542,750
12,724 / 12,724
1 / 1
$152, $67
AEG Live

Van Halen
John Paul Jones Arena
Charlottesville, Va.
May 2, 2008
$614,318
6,509 / 6,509
1 / 1
$147.50, $77.50, $47.50
Live Nation

======

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band

Qwest Center
Omaha, Neb.
March 14, 2008
$1,608,720
17,208 / 17,208


1 / 1
$95, $65

Jam Productions

Elton John
Qwest Center
Omaha, Neb.
Oct. 8, 2007
$1,486,040
17,017 / 17,017
1 / 1
$95, $55
Goldenvoice/AEG Live

Bon Jovi
Qwest Center
Omaha, Neb.
Feb. 18, 2008
$1,271,660
16,977 / 16,977
1 / 1
$99.50, $53
Concerts West/AEG Live

Van Halen
Qwest Center
Omaha, Neb.
Feb. 4, 2008
$863,472
8,299 / 8,299
1 / 1
$147.50, $77.50, $47.50
Live Nation

=====

Bon Jovi
Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
Feb. 21, 2008
$1,352,436
17,076 / 17,076
1 / 1
$129.50, $99.50, $63, $47.50
Concerts West/AEG Live

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band

Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
March 17, 2008
$1,467,960
16,104 / 16,104


1 / 1
$95, $65

Frank Productions

Van Halen Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
April 28, 2008
$800,446
8,482 / 8,482
1 / 1
$123, $77.50, $47.50
Live Nation

=====

Bon Jovi
Wells Fargo Arena
Des Moines, Iowa
April 20, 2008
$1,173,472
15,277 / 15,277
1 / 1
$99.50, $54
Concerts West/AEG Live

Van Halen
Wells Fargo Arena
Des Moines, Iowa
Feb. 6, 2008
$596,572
6,742 / 6,742
1 / 1
$124, $74, $48.50
Live Nation

=====

The Police
Scottrade Center
St. Louis, Mo.
June 2, 2007
$1,872,140
17,821 / 17,821
1 / 1
$200, $50
The Next Adventure (A Live Nation Company)

Billy Joel
Scottrade Center
St. Louis, Mo.
April 25, 2007
$1,282,377
16,698 / 16,698
1 / 1
$87.50, $52
Live Nation

Van Halen
Scottrade Center
St. Louis, Mo.
April 26, 2008
$926,598
9,603 / 9,603
1 / 1
$147, $77, $47
Live Nation

=====

Eric Clapton
RBC Center
Raleigh, N.C.
October 15, 2006
$1,050,685
14,232 / 14,232
1 / 1
$85, $45
AEG Live

Red Hot Chili Peppers
RBC Center
Raleigh, N.C.
January 22, 2007
$777,739
14,041 / 14,166
1 / 0
$56.50
Live Nation

Van Halen
RBC Center
Raleigh, N.C.
May 5, 2008
$793,862
8,092 / 8,092
1 / 1
$125, $75, $49.50
Live Nation

=====

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band

Mellon Arena
Pittsburgh, Pa.
Nov. 14, 2007
$1,372,652
16,595 / 16,883
1 / 0
$89, $55
Live Nation

Bon Jovi
Mellon Arena
Pittsburgh, Pa.
March 5, 15, 2008
$2,295,530
30,475 / 30,475
2 / 2
$129.50, $99.50, $62, $47.25
Concerts West/AEG Live

Van Halen
Mellon Arena
Pittsburgh, Pa.
April 30, 2008
$938,938
9,542 / 9,542
1 / 1
$125, $75, $49.50
Live Nation

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The Monsters of Rock: Ozzy Osbourne, Testament, Judas Priest, Serj
Tankian, Hatebreed, Cavalera Conspiracy, Shadows Fall, 3 Inches of
Blood, Priestess, Zimmers Hole
McMahon Stadium
Calgary, Alberta
July 26, 2008
$1,545,950
15,347 / 20,000
1 / 0
$246.17, $48.74
Goldenvoice/AEG Live

Nine Inch Nails, Deerhunter
Air Canada Centre
Toronto, Ontario
Aug. 5, 2008
$708,376
10,861 /
10,861
1 / 1
$67.51, $57.80
Live Nation

Kid Rock, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rev Run, Back Door Slam

Verizon Wireless Music Center
Noblesville, Ind.
Aug. 16, 2008
$643,273
24,910 / 24,910
1 / 1
$194, $12
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Molson Amphitheatre
Toronto, Ontario
Aug. 13, 2008
$556,476
10,883 / 15,000
1 / 0
$373.66, $10.40
Live Nation

Iggy and the Stooges, Fucked Up
Massey Hall
Toronto, Ontario
Aug. 6, 2008
$161,823
2,146 / 2,300
1 / 0
$95.63, $57.18
Live Nation

Rushgedlife

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Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.
Aug. 23, 2008
$542,013
12,292 / 17,000

1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
MTS Centre
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Aug. 17, 2008
$531,138
8,630 / 8,930
1 / 0
$75.09, $37.31
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt

Comcast Center
Mansfield, Mass.
Aug. 22, 2008
$517,605
11,011 / 19,749


1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt
Riverbend Music Center
Cincinnati, Ohio
Aug. 19, 2008
$394,567
10,672 / 15,000
1 / 0
$95, $23.75
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt

Blossom Music Center
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
Aug. 20, 2008
$385,750
10,477 / 21,340


1 / 0
$95, $29.50

Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Selma, Texas

Aug. 24, 2008
$351,470
9,705 / 19,324
1 / 0
$125, $22
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
The Woodlands, Texas

Aug. 23, 2008
$306,594
6,909 / 15,689
1 / 0
$399, $29.50
Live Nation/in-house

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament, Seduce
DTE Energy Music Center
Clarkston, Mich.
Aug. 18, 2008
$275,899
7,220 / 15,107
1 / 0
$132, $12
Live Nation/Palace Sports & Entertainment

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Post-Gazette Pavilion at Star Lake
Burgettstown, Pa.

Aug. 16, 2008
$264,735
9,806 / 23,110
1 / 0
$125, $15
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Superpages.com Center
Dallas, Texas
Aug. 22, 2008
$247,817
5,920 / 19,948
1 / 0
$125, $25
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Journal Pavilion
Albuquerque, N.M.
Aug. 27, 2008
$215,804
7,015 / 14,996
1 / 0
$125, $20
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Cricket Wireless Pavilion
Phoenix, Ariz.
Aug. 28, 2008
$200,172
6,319 / 19,873
1 / 0
$125, $12.50
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

El Paso County Coliseum
El Paso, Texas
Aug. 26, 2008
$149,467
4,309 / 6,381
1 / 0
$39.50, $34.50
Live Nation/Stardate Concerts/in-house


Nine Inch Nails
Quicken Loans Arena
Cleveland, Ohio
Aug. 22, 2008
$309,531
6,812 / 8,874
1 / 0
$56.50, $20
Live Nation/in-house

Eddie Vedder, Liam Finn
Riverside Theatre
Milwaukee, Wis.
Aug. 19, 2008
$187,044
2,398 / 2,402
1 / 0
$78
Live Nation/in-house

Extreme, Rock n' Roll Fantasy Camp, King's X
House of Blues
Chicago, Ill.
Aug. 9, 2008
$46,801
1,344 / 1,344
1 / 1
$35, $30
House of Blues

Extreme, Rock n' Roll Fantasy Camp, King's X
House of Blues
Lake Buena Vista, Fla.
Aug. 15, 2008
$30,476
1,294 / 2,100
1 / 0
$28.75, $26.75
House of Blues

Extreme, Rock n' Roll Fantasy Camp, King's X
House of Blues
New Orleans, La.
Aug. 18, 2008
$18,565
766 / 843
1 / 0
$27.50, $22.50
House of Blues

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Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain
Scranton, Pa.
Aug. 30, 2008
$482,708
12,169 / 17,439

1 / 0
$95, $29.50
Live Nation

Motley Crue, Buckcherry, Papa Roach, Sixx:A.M., Trapt

Saratoga Performing Arts Center
Saratoga Springs, N.Y.

Aug. 29, 2008
$472,344
12,541 / 25,136
1 / 0
$101, $35.50
Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

San Manuel Amphitheater
Devore, Calif.

Aug. 30, 2008
$555,640
18,400 / 20,755


1 / 0
$125, $10

Live Nation

Judas Priest, Heaven and Hell, Motorhead, Testament

Shoreline Amphitheatre
Mountain View, Calif.

Aug. 31, 2008
$426,258
12,201 / 21,829


1 / 0
$125, $25
Live Nation

Nine Inch Nails
Wachovia Center
Philadelphia, Pa.
Aug. 29, 2008
$396,636
8,301 / 9,391
1 / 0
$54, $44.50, $30
Live Nation

Alice Cooper
The Lawn at White River State Park
Indianapolis, Ind.
Aug. 22, 2008
$58,873
3,027 / 5,708
1 / 0
$50, $18.75
Live Nation

Alice Cooper


Lifestyle Communities Pavilion
Columbus, Ohio

Aug. 24, 2008
$51,000
2,040 / 3,500
1 / 0
$25
PromoWest Productions

Alice Cooper
Lakewood Civic Auditorium
Lakewood, Ohio
Aug. 26, 2008
$45,419
1,411 / 1,912
1 / 0
$45, $32.50
Live Nation

Extreme, King's X
The Fillmore
San Francisco, Calif.
Aug. 25, 2008
$37,435
1,257 / 1,315
1 / 0
$35
Live Nation

Extreme, King's X
House of Blues
Dallas, Texas
Aug. 20, 2008
$35,490
1,147 / 1,625
1 / 0
$50, $30
House of Blues/C3 Presents

Extreme, King's X
House of Blues Sunset Strip
West Hollywood, Calif.
Aug. 26, 2008
$31,280
1,100 / 1,100
1 / 1
$30, $25
House of Blues

Extreme, King's X
House of Blues
Cleveland, Ohio
Aug. 6, 2008
$28,188
925 / 1,200
1 / 0
$49.50, $30
House of Blues

Extreme, King's X
House of Blues
Las Vegas, Nev.
Aug. 23, 2008
$17,736
539 / 1,800
1 / 0


$35, $30
House of Blues

Ted Nugent
Capital One Bank Theatre at Westbury
Westbury, N.Y.
Aug. 24, 2008
$32,950
1,224 / 1,600
1 / 0
$50, $40
Live Nation

Ted Nugent


House of Blues
Chicago, Ill.

Aug. 13, 2008
$24,496
685 / 1,300
1 / 0
$37, $35.50
House of Blues

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