Opinions on King Trombone
NotMello!
I how are the King trombones usually? Any opinions?
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Actikid
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> Hey...
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> I how are the King trombones usually? Any opinions?
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Pretty good usually.
Gonzo
> Hey...
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> I how are the King trombones usually? Any opinions?
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> ~bags
There are two things, I think, that your question addresses. (1)
overall quality and (2) subjective "feel" of the instrument.
My King is 20 years old. I like it very much. I did get the slide
done by the slide doctor last year, and he ended up aligning the inner
tubes. But it still plays great, is in good condition and has never
seemed problematic.
I grew up in an area where Kings ruled ( OK, bad pun... ) so there was
an exceptance of them. I seems "Old Conns" are very much the thing in
the mid west, or they were when I lived there many years ago, and
Kings were looked down on.
Bottom line: My experience with Kings has been very good. I think the
true test is to play all the horns you can if you are thinking about
getting one, and choosing the one with the sound and feel you like the
best.
Dean/Sharon Carter
sound. To me the 2-B had a slightly prettier sound and worked better
in a two or three trombone section which was the standard. Lately I
have moved over to a Bach 6 because the sound is a better match in
four or five trombone sections(that are usually louder) and now I play
more for fun in rehersal bands that have the large trombone sections.
d
Silver3B
a 4B.
Also a 3B/F and a 4B/F in which I converted both to G attachment. What I really
like about the King line of trombones is that their unique design allows the 3B
with F attachment and the 4B with F attachment to be converted to G attachment
but when the need arises back to F attachment by merely moving a tuning crook.
So what I really have by playing a King trombone is a trombone that much more
versatile than a regular trombone of another brand that comes in F attachment.
Both my Kings now have attachments that are G or F, by the placing of the
tuning crook. Since I'm currently playing 1st and 2nd parts the G attachment is
fantastic in that use. Yet allows me to swtich over to F whenever filling in
for those 4th or bass parts by moving the tuning crook.
Just my 2 cents.
Anthony
Actikid
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> What I really
> like about the King line of trombones is that their unique design allows the 3B
> with F attachment and the 4B with F attachment to be converted to G attachment
> but when the need arises back to F attachment by merely moving a tuning crook.
>
it a G attachment, you have to shorten it by a few (+- 16) inches. So
you must be doing more than moving a crook. Is that move bypassing part
of the loop? If so, does that mean you move two different crooks to
make this switch? Anybody have pictures of this?
Jon Moeller
slide spacing was a bit off, and i couldnt eliminate the smaller loop like
im guessing its done
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Silver3B
directly to you of the G/F attachments on my King trombones.
Anthony
Kent
Anthony,
Do you have new Kings? Mine is from the early 70's and while I can
see exactly how to do it, it just can't be done because the main
tuning slide brace is in the way. Perhaps the newer Kings have the
F-tubing offset just a bit?
Kent 4B
Raymond van Overbeek
In the bigband a play in there is a gy with a 4B built in 1992, but it
doesn't even come close to my 1984 4B.
Last year I've been looking for a new bone and played also a new 4B. I
must say that they are still not so good as the old ones. For the same
money you can buy a horn that is a lot better. My choise was a Getzen
3047AFR with Thayer valve.
Greetz,
Raymond van Overbeek
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milt brewster
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I recently played a King 4B. I think it is supposed to compete
with the Bach 42 and Conn 88 Series, but I thought it was easier
to move around the horn and vary dynamics between fff and ppp.
Also, it seemed to be lighter, like a Bach 36, but both Bach
slides were better.
What's your experience? Do you have any oppinions one way or the
other?
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I'm poking around looking for a new smaller horn. I recently
played a bunch of horns at a trombone workshop. I liked
everything I played, but I still wound up holding the King 2b and
3Bs at the end. The 2B Jiggs Wigham model with the light slide
was great. The Bach 16 and 36 were good horns, though, and I
thought the new Getzen "Jazz" horn played a lot like the 3B. I
didn't have the chance to play Conns or Holtons, and I suspect
that PapaGrizz' little Urbie Green Martin horn would have given
the 2B a run for its money.
milt b
Les
Well Milt, did you blow the strad 12? I've had mine since 79 and its the
only one for me.
It's not the complete horn for all, but if you desire a bright knife cutting
sound then it's the horn. I do not know what todays build's are like, but
after playing FF or the like my bell resonates for a second or two after. it
is a very responsive horn and lends itself to clear high register playing.
Coupled as well to the nickel plated light weight slide it is perfect. I
have blown all those other horns you have mentioned and I agree they are all
fine horns, but if you get the chance try a strad 12.
Good luck with it.
Regards
Les
Silver3B
attachment.
If there's anybody out there who can post them on a web site so others can see
how it's done, I can forward the photos on to you. I would sure appreciate it.
Anthony
Yvonne & Norman Rowe
for folks to view them if they'd like.
Norm
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Silver3B
But it comes back as an error and unable to deliver.
Anthony
Silver3B
Please send me an e-mail so I can reply with pix of the darn thing. Yes it
really works.
Anthony
Yvonne & Norman Rowe
www.roweboat.com/fg4b. Enjoy!
Norm
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Anthony
Actikid
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> Thank you Norm. They look great.
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NOW I understand. That's really clever. It looks like you can switch
back to F attachment in about 60 seconds. Did you just luck into that
or do you think King designed it that way on purpose?
But my real question is, when you have the thing configured as a G
attachment, what hhappens if a note gets stuck inside that other closed
loop? Won't it rattle around in there forever?
joe
& Norman Rowe at rovin...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/10/02 5:19 PM:
> They arrived just fine. Interesting setup. The pictures may be viewed at
> www.roweboat.com/fg4b. Enjoy!
cool to see, now i get it.
joe
Al Morris
bought second hand since 1963. I am a jazz and show player in the tidewater
virgina area and still work once or twice a week mostly now in dixie type
bands. I was a high school band director for 32 years and retired 4 years
ago. I really don't think there is a better horn than the king 3b. I still
have my original slide and have only had a minimum of work done on it over
the years. Thats my opinion.
Al Morris
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Martin G
Liberty made in the 60's & 70's. I'm seeking advice on what mouthpiece to
use.
Marty G
"Al Morris" <amo...@erols.com> wrote in message
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joe
on 2/23/02 8:40 AM:
> Based on previous discussions in this newsgroup I just purchased a King 2B
> Liberty made in the 60's & 70's. I'm seeking advice on what mouthpiece to
> use.
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> Marty G
i use a 5g for a better tone and fatter sound, but like my 6.5al for
screaming jazz/rock stuff.
joe
Yvonne & Norman Rowe
But hey, the mouthpiece to use is the one that works best for you!
Norm
"Martin G" <mart...@snip.net> wrote in message
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Silver3B
me? ..a ...6 1/2 AL works great
Actikid
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> Based on previous discussions in this newsgroup I just purchased a King 2B
> Liberty made in the 60's & 70's. I'm seeking advice on what mouthpiece to
> use.
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the middle of the spectrum. For me, a little piece (12C, 9C, etc) can
get too bright. I like a brighter sound than a lot of players, but the
2B can get out of control in that regard. For me, the 3B is even more
frustrating with its tendency to get overly bright at loud volumes.
Experiment, but something in the ballpark of the 6-1/2AL should work
pretty well.
According to the Elliott catalog, some other mouthpieces in this
vicinity are Giardinelli 4D, and Schilke 50 or 51C4. The Wick 7CS and
6BS are close too. I have both of those pieces. I love the ability of
the Wick 7CD to provide security in the high register. I use it on my
2B with sterling bell, but the sterling horns tend to not get too bright
under volume. This piece with a brass bell 3B is really annoying to me,
but the Wick 6BS tames that brightness a bit.
Les
wanted a big darker sound then I would have a horn that suits that sound and
not a strad 12.
Go for the brighter sound as that is really the personality of the horn.
regards
Les
The Barron
. Thats my opinion.
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Ditto, Al Morris. I have a 1963 King 3B I bought new, drug through four
years of Navy bands continuing throughtout the years and I share the same
opinion. I don't think a better horn has been made. Maybe as good but I'll
bet no better.
Evan Cadwallader
years. I myself just purchased a used king 3b trombone. However It needs a
little bit of slide work done on it do you know of any good instument
technicians that you wouls trust with this horn
Evan
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joe
at ecadwa...@shaw.ca wrote on 3/2/02 2:12 AM:
> I am a student who has just started playing serious jazz in the last two
> years. I myself just purchased a used king 3b trombone. However It needs a
> little bit of slide work done on it do you know of any good instument
> technicians that you wouls trust with this horn
>
> Evan
i used him for my 88H and will be sending the slide for my 2B. check him
out. he does high quailty work.
joe