Opinions of Bass trombone models
Bill
fact my college unlike my high school will not provide me with one I will
have to find my own. I have discussed this here in the past, but the
need/want is getting greater and I am closer to getting my hands on the
money needed. I am 45 minutes to an hour away from NYC so I can probably
test play some of these horns, but that will have to wait till I actually
have the money. I would appreciate store recommendations in addition to
opinions on the horns, as the place I bought my tenor from has excellent
small bore selection, but nothing larger than .525 in stock. So far I have
been considering the Conn 110H/112H, a Holton, or a Bach LT50B2G(approx),
(and remotely a Yamaha, I loved the intermediate minus the trigger range) as
far as currently in production horns and the King 6B, Conn 70/71/72H, an
Olds, or a Reynolds Contempora as far as used horns go. Tuning in slide is
a consideration, but I would like to know if it is a viable option. The
usage will be largely big band/small combo jazz and I will probably have the
cash sometime between September and December, so feel free to give me
opinions. I would also like to know what I should expect to spend. Thank
you for any guidance.
Bill
Craig Hyndman
for it, but it has a fantastic beefy pp range also. I tried 4 different 50
BO's before I found one that blew this freely though, so the others were
obviously manufactured on a Monday morning or Friday afternoon.
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Actikid
I'm glad you mentions the style of music, because those horns you listed
are all over the map. For big bans, small combo, the bach would not be
on my short list, although it would be on everybody's short list for
symphony work. The Conn 112H could be a very good one for what you're
doing. Try to take one out on approval. I have a friend who sounds
just right on a Reynolds contempra. He plays in a quirky combo that has
rhythm section, tenor sax and trombone quartet. Go figure. The band
leader has written 100 superb arrangements for this instrumentation and
that Contempra is just the sound you want for that.
If you find a King Duo Gravis (is that a 5B?) you might give that a
play.
Kent
wrote:
>
>If you find a King Duo Gravis (is that a 5B?) you might give that a
>play.
No, the Duo Gravis is a true base trombone while the 5B is a very
large tenor.
kent
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christopher.hoepelman
bass trombone. A single plug Bach, Conn or Yamaha or similar should suit
you.
If you're lucky and find one an Olds P24G double independent is not too hard
work but still makes a good sound. (my one makes me sound like a good bass
trombone, nearly a miracle, me that is)
You should also look for a suitable mouthpiece, again not too big - Bach 2G
, Schilke 58.
Main advice - take an experienced friend or teacher/professional if possible
and take your time.
Chris.
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John Lowe
>
SNIP
>
> If you find a King Duo Gravis (is that a 5B?) you might give that a
> play.
Duo Gravis = 6B
The 5B was a .547" bore horn; essentially a 4BF with a larger bell.
Come to think of it, a 5B isn't a bad choice for a dual-purpose
combo/big band horn. Sort of an "almost bass".
John Lowe
Sacqueboutier
christopher.hoepelman at chris.h...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/30/02 1:43
PM:
> If you're stepping up from a medium large bore tenor don't try to fill a big
> bass trombone.
Why not? I've had many students make the adgustment quite well
with no adverse side effects.
>
> If you're lucky and find one an Olds P24G double independent is not too hard
> work but still makes a good sound.
So does a Bach 50.
>
> You should also look for a suitable mouthpiece, again not too big - Bach 2G
> , Schilke 58.
Agreed. A Bach 2G is a good starting point for the bass trombonist.
>
> Main advice - take an experienced friend or teacher/professional if possible
> and take your time.
Agreed.
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Sacqueboutier
wrote on 7/30/02 11:20 PM:
> Actikid wrote:
>>
> SNIP
>>
>> If you find a King Duo Gravis (is that a 5B?) you might give that a
>> play.
>
> Duo Gravis = 6B
Are you sure of this? I had a student that had his own 6B and
it wasn't a Duo Gravis. It's actually bigger than a Duo Gravis.
>
> The 5B was a .547" bore horn; essentially a 4BF with a larger bell.
>
> Come to think of it, a 5B isn't a bad choice for a dual-purpose
> combo/big band horn. Sort of an "almost bass".
Agreed. I almost bought one in college before I came to my
senses and bought a true orchestral horn. It's a good horn
and makes a good sound, but not quite the same color sought
after by most professional orchestral sections.
Keith Marr
called it a 7B. Among my plans for my website is a scan of the 1970s king
catalogue, which has a number of interesting items in it. Might even get
round to doing the website if I don't get a gig soon. Very quiet here in
Summer, should've taken on some sealiner work when it was offered.
Still using the DG a lot! It's a great big band horn.
I would be interested if anyone knows when the DG was discontinued. The last
bass that King marketed was an in-line independent.
--
Keith in Bb/F/D
Carl Dershem
> in article 3D47575C...@pacbell.com, John Lowe at jlo...@pacbell.com
> wrote on 7/30/02 11:20 PM:
>
>
>>Actikid wrote:
>>
>>SNIP
>>
>>>If you find a King Duo Gravis (is that a 5B?) you might give that a
>>>play.
>>
>>Duo Gravis = 6B
>
>
> Are you sure of this? I had a student that had his own 6B and
> it wasn't a Duo Gravis. It's actually bigger than a Duo Gravis.
I always thought the 7B was the "duo gravis."
cd
--
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John Lowe
(6B), and says it has (had?) a .562" bore. That agrees with what I
remember from old King catalogs.
The 2107 (7B) was (is?) an in-line design (B flat/F/G flat/D), with a
.562" bore and a 9.625" bell. Dillon's still lists it on their site.
King also made an 8B for a while, but I cannot find any info on it. If
memory serves, the 8B was retooled and is now sold as the Benge 290. The
290 is also an in-line horn (B flat/F/G flat/D) with a .562" bore, but
it has a 10" bell.
King has been known to play a bit fast and loose with model
designations, though. The 2B has gone through a lot of variations over
the years. It may well be that there was an earlier model called a
Duo-Gravis that had a smaller bore, but I can't find any info on it.
I did find one site that referred to the 2107/7B as a Duo-Gravis; I
think some people just generically refer to any double-rotor King by
that name.
John Lowe
Keith Marr
referred to as the Duo Gravis 7B in my 1970s catalogue. I'll have a look at
the Dillon's site to see if there's a picture. Pictures I've seen of the
2107 show a completely different instrument to the one I played at rehearsal
last night.
--
Keith in Bb/F/D
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Graypearl
.562 bore, 9.5" bell, dependent rotors (worked them both with the thumb --
two triggers one over the top of the other). Sold it to a high school that
was starting a jazz band ... BAD mistake (but needed the money, also got
moved from bass bone to lead in the jazz band I was in).
A buddy of mine bought a King 8B in the early '80s. IIRC, it was also a .562
bore, but it had independent rotors and a 10.5" bell. Didn't stick with it,
though -- he soon went to a Bach 50 with a gold brass 10.5" bell,
lightweight slide and independent rotors. I still am amazed that he played
that with a Schilke 60E1e!
James
--
That ain't workin'.
That's the way ya do it.
Ya play the trambone with a Bach 4G...
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Bonemaster
inline configs, the 7B had the 9.5" bell and the 8B had the 10.5" bell also
referred to as the Pizza Hut model.
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