Who is the best tromboneplayer in the world ?
koen tobback
fun and for learning new names, new tromboneplayers.
So post your top 5 (of living players) (as you wish you can add a few death
guys).
Be clear about Jazz and Classical Music (or other styles).
And give hints for recordings so we can check it out wether you are right!
This is not for a final ranking, but for us trombonists to get to know all
the good ones.
Maybe you can put other info (country etc.) in it too.
Koen
Ulf Åbjörnsson
JJ Johnson, Carl Fontana, Frank Rosolino, Bill Harris, Kai Chresten Winding,
Jack Teagarden, Aake Persson, Nils Landgren, Steve Turre, Al Grey, Dickie
Wells, Vic Dickenson, Urbie & Bennie Green, Jiggs Whigham, Slide Hampton,
Eric and Bart van Lier, Trummy Young, Lou McGarity, Cutty Cutshall, Tyree
Glenn, Eje Thelin. All on the jazzy side, because that is what I know best.
Ulf
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Sacqueboutier
>
> Maybe you think this is a stupid question and you are right! It's just for
> fun and for learning new names, new tromboneplayers.
>
> So post your top 5 (of living players) (as you wish you can add a few death
> guys).
> Be clear about Jazz and Classical Music (or other styles).
> And give hints for recordings so we can check it out wether you are right!
In no particular order:
Joe Alessi of NYP
Douglas Yeo of BSO
Nizan ???? of Philly
Michael Mulcahy of CSO
Christian Lindberg, soloist
Allen Barnhill of the Hosuton SO
David Waters of the Houston SO
Jay Friedman of CSO
Ralph Sauer of LAPO
Mark Lawrence of SFSO
Ian Bousfield of LSO
The bass trombone in the Scottish National Orch
Branimir Slokar, soloist
Charles Vernon of the CSO
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: In no particular order:
: Joe Alessi of NYP
: Douglas Yeo of BSO
: Nizan ???? of Philly
: Michael Mulcahy of CSO
: Christian Lindberg, soloist
: Allen Barnhill of the Hosuton SO
: David Waters of the Houston SO
: Jay Friedman of CSO
: Ralph Sauer of LAPO
: Mark Lawrence of SFSO
: Ian Bousfield of LSO
: The bass trombone in the Scottish National Orch
: Branimir Slokar, soloist
: Charles Vernon of the CSO
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: Don
Don, I agree well with your list, but I'd add Alain Trudel, and the new
guy in the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam. He's INCREDIBLE!
Take it easy,
Jon Bakker
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WBean999
Hey Guys...
What about Larry Campbell and Harry Watters?
Brian Dupuis
Undergraduate Trombonist
Louisiana State University
Corvus
the world?"
ASTROSPMIS
JAZZ ONLY:
Conrad Herwig
The younger Bill Watrous
(not now though).
Carl Fontana
Frank Rosolino
Gary Sloane
should exclude J.J. Johnson, as all previous posts
have, to my personal amazement. I'll add a few more,
too:
Steve Turre
Robin Eubanks
Jimmy Knepper
Bob Brookmeyer
Of course, there are many others who belong in the
historical archives (Kai Winding, Sam Nanton, Jack
Teagarden, for instance), but that's another
discussion, and a long one.
In the SF Bay Area, and probably in lots of other
places, there are trombonists who don't have anything
resembling world-wide recognition but whom I'll go
listen to any time they're playing, such as Marty
Wehner (with Lavay Smith & the Red Hot Skillet Lickers
or Mingus Amungus) and Jeff Cressman (with Orchesta
Candela or anywhere else).
My $0.02.
In article <19980930100738...@ng66.aol.com>, astro...@aol.com
(ASTROSPMIS) wrote:
> JAZZ ONLY:
>
> Conrad Herwig
> The younger Bill Watrous
> (not now though).
Hey, I've heard Watrous a couple of times
lately and he's been playing *very* well. The chops
are still there but I think his musical taste is better
(getting on the wagon may partly account for this).
> Carl Fontana
> Frank Rosolino
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Sacqueboutier
I've met Larry. He wouldn't remember, though. I met him while
I was teaching in Tomball, TX and he was directing music
at Blinn JC in Brenham, TX. I can't really include him, since
I have never heard him play. I was under the impression that
he was a tubist.
As for Harry, I know him, too. He was solo trombone with the
Army Blues (or whatever they call their jazz ensemble). Fine
player. My list, however, was pretty much limited to orchestral
players and classical soloists, the type of playing to which
I aspire.
Airier51
Anyone heard Mark Nightingale??????
WBean999
>I've met Larry. He wouldn't remember, though. I met him while
>I was teaching in Tomball, TX and he was directing music
>at Blinn JC in Brenham, TX. I can't really include him, since
>I have never heard him play. I was under the impression that
>he was a tubist.
>
>As for Harry, I know him, too. He was solo trombone with the
>Army Blues (or whatever they call their jazz ensemble). Fine
>player. My list, however, was pretty much limited to orchestral
>players and classical soloists, the type of playing to which
>I aspire.
>
>--
>
>Don
Well Don...Larry is Principal with the BRSO (like that matters)...
He plays with the group, Sinfonia. If you're not familiar with that, its a
group of 15 of the world's greatest euphonium and tuba players (he plays
euphonium in that)...He is the Professor of Trombone at LSU ..
Awesome Player...
As for Harry, I don't have a clue about what he's doing...He was teaching at
Southeastern LA Univ., but that didn't work out...
Ulf Åbjörnsson
Ulf
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>
>Anyone heard Mark Nightingale??????
Alison Henry
<airi...@aol.com> writes
>
>Anyone heard Mark Nightingale??????
Sure have. I went to hear him earlier this year at a pub in Twickenham,
south-west London (UK). There was no door charge and an audience of
about 20 or 30 people turned up. I think the pub has a weekly jazz
night.
Mark was backed by a three-piece rhythm section and played standards
with fantastic solos on top.
It was neat to hear such a great player at such close quarters. He often
does gigs like this around London - you just have to keep an eye on Time
Out magazine or local newspapers.
Oh yes; Bill Reichenbach is a pretty hot player. I met him in New
Zealand when I was at uni. He had come over, I think, to tour with the
Roger Fox Big Band (1980 or '82?) and ran some workshops at the Tauranga
Jazz Festival... now that was a while ago!
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JAZZIN44
Well, it seems every bone player has his own
bag. Who do you give credit to???
The one with the most bags???
They all copied someone elses bag.
You can hear pieces of Rosolino, Fontana,
...... in most of the better new players if you listen carefully! To aquire
someone elses bag
is to pay respect to that creator. and who's to
say that only bone bags were involved.
I've been playing professionally for about
15 years and I've never been impressed
by the music of JJ. He brought the bone to
the bebop stage along with Fuller and others.
JJ was an accurate, good player but he did not push the envelope.
DTohir
>I've never been impressed
>by the music of JJ. He brought the bone to
>the bebop stage along with Fuller and others.
>JJ was an accurate, good player but he did not push the envelope.
>
He changed the way jazz trombone was perceived & played. If that's not pushing
the envelope, I don't know what is.
Ulf Åbjörnsson
Ulf
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Disco Stu
DTohir wrote:
I agree entirely. It's very easy to say that JJ didn't do that much if you
compare his chops to guys today like Robin Eubanks or Conrad Herwig (not that
JJ's chops were ever anything less than fantastic). You have to remember that at
the time trombone players were still playing with lots of smears and tricks - JJ
was really the first to legitimise the trombone as a bop instrument. That's not
really an easy thing to do if no-one else has come before you, especially if
you're up on stage with Bird or Miles : )
My five greatest contemporary jazz/funk bone players (apart from JJ):
1. Robin Eubanks (the chops, the speed, the melodies . . . . amazing!)
2. Slide Hampton (all of the above + great innovations putting the trombone in a
modern context)
3. Steve Turre (warmth, feeling, musical sensitivity - gives me a warm fuzzy
feeling just thinking about it!)
4. Fred Wesley (even when he makes a mistake, that mistake is funkier than James
Brown dancing the funky chicken!)
5. Conrad Herwig (CHOPS!!!, taking the trombone where the trombone has never been
before!!!)
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JAZZIN44
But remember guys, the question was:
Who is the best tromboneplayer in the world ?
Dead or Alive.
JJ is not there. Thats like saying a Ford is the best car because it was the
first mass-produced car or that Kenny G. is the
best sax player because he sold a bunch of
albums.
The best at what???
technique, speed, emotion/feeling, range,
sight reading, interpretation, imitation, how many gigs you get, recordings
made, recordings sold, respect for the older masters, books written, original
compositions,
arranging, vocals/polyphonics.......
,
Conrad is there!
Rosolino was there!
Carl Dershem
> >Conrad is there!
> >Rosolino was there!
> >
> I know many players & fans who would disagree with your assessment of JJ. He's
> not my favorite player, but he's among the best. I certainly couldn't argue
> much with someone who placed him at the top. Personally, I'd place him even
> with Rosolino, and above Herwig. To my ears, the only players I can come up
> with off hand who I like more would be George Lewis, Konrad Bauer, Rosewell
> Rudd, Joseph Bowie, & Albert Mangelsdorff.
I can agree with some of those, but Mangelsdorff?? YECCHH!! He may have
technique, but his sound is, to me, exceedingly ugly, and his lines are
spectactularly unmelodic.
Gimme Bill Reichenbach any day.
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Tom Hill
koen tobback skrev i meddelandet <6uo0u4$m10$1...@trex.antw.online.be>...
>Maybe you think this is a stupid question and you are right! It's just for
>fun and for learning new names, new tromboneplayers.
>
>So post your top 5 (of living players) (as you wish you can add a few death
>guys).
>Be clear about Jazz and Classical Music (or other styles).
>And give hints for recordings so we can check it out wether you are right!
My tip...
Classical : Christian Lindbergh
Jazz : Carl Fontana
Tom Hill
Dave Molter
forget that opinions vary as much as techniques. I would advise anyone, young
or old, to purchase any CDs by Frank Rosolino, Urbie Green, Kai Winding, Bill
Waltrous or most any trombonist, living or dead. They all have something to
offer, even if you come away saying, well, I NEVER want to sound like that. JJ
Johnson's "The Brass Orchestra" (1997) is proof that age need not dull a
players technique, tone, rhythm or arranging abilities. For what it's worth,
I'd also have anyone listen to James Pankow on the original Chicago albums --
CTA, Chicago II and Chicago III. Many dismiss him as all blast, but he had
range and technique and a great sense for interweaving horns with a rock band
without simply having them play in unison.
JAZZIN44 wrote:
>
> But remember guys, the question was:
> Who is the best tromboneplayer in the world ?
> Dead or Alive.
>
> JJ is not there. Thats like saying a Ford is the best car because it was the
> first mass-produced car or that Kenny G. is the
> best sax player because he sold a bunch of
> albums.
>
> The best at what???
> technique, speed, emotion/feeling, range,
> sight reading, interpretation, imitation, how many gigs you get, recordings
> made, recordings sold, respect for the older masters, books written, original
> compositions,
> arranging, vocals/polyphonics.......
> ,
>
> Conrad is there!
> Rosolino was there!
>
Ulf Åbjörnsson
Storyville has recently released a new CD with Frank Rosolino live in
Copenhagen.
It was one of his very last gigs and he plays with a Danish/American rhythm
section.
It is great!
Ulf
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Charles Perron
I read your note with interest and agreement.
>My five greatest contemporary jazz/funk bone players (apart from JJ):
>
>1. Robin Eubanks (the chops, the speed, the melodies . . . . amazing!)
I don't disagree with this, but I haven't heard any Robin Eubanks recordings
that would lead me to this conclusion. Do you have any listening
recommendations?
>2. Slide Hampton (all of the above + great innovations putting the trombone
in a
>modern context)
Incredible player. The more I hear, the better he sounds.
>3. Steve Turre (warmth, feeling, musical sensitivity - gives me a warm
fuzzy
>feeling just thinking about it!)
Very individual style in addition to a great player.
>4. Fred Wesley (even when he makes a mistake, that mistake is funkier than
James
>Brown dancing the funky chicken!)
I'm not familiar with Fred. Any recommendations here?
>5. Conrad Herwig (CHOPS!!!, taking the trombone where the trombone has
never been
>before!!!)
I just heard Conrad at the Seven Springs, PA jazz festival. He is great on
his albums, but you haven't really heard him unless you hear him live. WOW.
I would add to this list:
Andy Martin - I've found 15 or 16 albums with him soloing and he
consistently captures the spirit of whatever style he is playing. And can
this guy swing or WHAT??
Bob Ferrel - Another individual player. I know Bob loves Slide Hampton, but
doesn't really sound like him. Bob is fantastic. He swings and has great
chops, but doesn't show off (too much!).
Eric Goletz - Eric is amazing. The more I hear him the more I know *I* need
to practice. Eric's CD is very cool. He has this funk tune with a GREAT
bridge that I have been trying to learn (kinda high though!). I've heard
him play jazz (swing) and I think he is even better in that style than in
the more contemporary style he usually chooses.
Tom Garling - The first time I heard his album (produced by Maynard
Ferguson), I didn't like it. But after many hearings, I love it. The mixed
meter, latin solo he does on this album is, is,......again, WOW.
The original question was who is the *best* trombone player in the world.
Who knows!?!
I would love to know who the great players are that we have never heard of!!
There is Mark Nightingale from the UK. How about from France? Brazil?
Sweden? Germany? Italy? Spain? Japan? Does anybody in this group know of
the great players from countries other than the US? Let us know!!
Chuck
James Schuler
How could so many of you over look the man known as the greatest
trombone player in New York history. Urbie Green, played in over 200
sessions in his first year in the big-apple. Urbie lives just up the road
from me, and you can still hear him play at the COTA festival, and doing
jobs at the Dear Head Inn with his son, and wife. Urbie's wife is a
fantastic vocalist, and his son Is the winner of the American Pianists
Association Fourth Biennial Jazz Piano Competition, and a Chiaroscuro
artist.
Urbie Green, has some amazing recording out right now. The greatest one
in my opinion is the work he did with 20 other trombone players. I think to
over look this legend is a tragedy. Urbie, my not have had the same
popularity as his colleges, but he can outplay them all.
Charles Perron
to be head to be believed.
Chuck
Tom Hill wrote in message ...
>True, that recording is fantastic!!!
>
>Tom Hill
>
>
>
Charles Perron
Has anyone ever heard him on trombone?
He played trombone and trumpet with the Miami Sound Machine. Fantastic
trombone player and EQUALLY good on trumpet (but I prefer his trombone
playing :-).
Chuck
WBean999 wrote in message <19981006213442...@ng154.aol.com>...
>
>Please guys...
>
>Let's not overlook the one and only Emory Remington...the former professor
of
>trombone over at Eastman.
>He was truly great.
Tom Hill
James Schuler skrev i meddelandet ...
> Urbie Green, has some amazing recording out right now. The greatest
one
>in my opinion is the work he did with 20 other trombone players. I think
to
>over look this legend is a tragedy. Urbie, my not have had the same
>popularity as his colleges, but he can outplay them all.
True, that recording is fantastic!!!
Tom Hill
WBean999
Gary Bricault
WBean999 <wbea...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981006213442...@ng154.aol.com>...
>
> Please guys...
>
> Let's not overlook the one and only Emory Remington...the former
professor of
> trombone over at Eastman.
> He was truly great.
Amen to that...and also a great teacher for those who were privilaged to
have had him.
Gary Bricault
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Songo Man
Urbie Green, has some amazing recording out right now. The greatest one
in my opinion is the work he did with 20 other trombone players. I think to
over look this legend is a tragedy. Urbie, my not have had the same
popularity as his colleges, but he can outplay them all.
>>
I disagree. I would not place Urbie among the best. I think he is one of the
most overrated players ever.
songoman
Songo Man
Here is a name: Teddy Mulet
Has anyone ever heard him on trombone?
He played trombone and trumpet with the Miami Sound Machine. Fantastic
trombone player and EQUALLY good on trumpet (but I prefer his trombone
playing :-).
Chuck>>
Teddy is an all around superstar...an amazing musician.
songoman
Sacqueboutier
>
> Please guys...
>
> Let's not overlook the one and only Emory Remington...the former professor of
> trombone over at Eastman.
> He was truly great.
>
> Undergraduate Trombonist
> Louisiana State University
Having never heard anything he ever played, I can't possibly include
him on a list of the best players in the world. (BTW, since the
subject was best trombonists "in the world" and not "in history", I
included
only living trombonists.) Have you heard Mr. Remington play?
That said, I worship at altar of Emory when it comes to trombone
pedagogy. Who wouldn't?
BTW, if we are including trombonists past, how about:
Johannes Rochut, principal of the BSO under Koussevitsky (until 1929)
Robert Lambert, principal of the CSO under Reiner
Henry Charles Smith, principal in Philly under Ormandy
Ed Herman, principal in NYP under Bernstein
Thomas Beversdorf, principal in Houston under Stokowski
Robert Boyd, principal in Cleveland under Szell
Arthur Pryor, soloist in the Sousa Band
Robert Isele, principal and soloist US Marine Band under Santelmann
And so it goes....
Michael Caputo
funk... what?
I'm in a jazzy/funky sorta mood... so right now I'm gonna say J.J. Johnson
and Fred Wesely.
As far as classical goes... I know he's young, and I know there are
better, but I'm gonna have to say Mr. Nitzan Haroz of the Philadelphia
Orchestra
-Mike C
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Classical:Christian Lindberg!!
Randy Ford
bass trombone on occaision. He still teaches at Blinn College, but also
plays tuba with the Brazos Valley Symphony Orchestra in Bryan-College
Station, Texas.
Randy Ford
Sacqueboutier wrote in message <36126D...@erols.com>...
>WBean999 wrote:
>>
>> Hey Guys...
>> What about Larry Campbell and Harry Watters?
>>
>> Brian Dupuis
>> Undergraduate Trombonist
>> Louisiana State University
>
>I've met Larry. He wouldn't remember, though. I met him while
>I was teaching in Tomball, TX and he was directing music
>at Blinn JC in Brenham, TX. I can't really include him, since
>I have never heard him play. I was under the impression that
>he was a tubist.
>
>As for Harry, I know him, too. He was solo trombone with the
>Army Blues (or whatever they call their jazz ensemble). Fine
>player. My list, however, was pretty much limited to orchestral
>players and classical soloists, the type of playing to which
>I aspire.
Sacqueboutier
>
> About Larry Campbell...he plays tuba most of the time, but he also plays
> bass trombone on occaision. He still teaches at Blinn College, but also
> plays tuba with the Brazos Valley Symphony Orchestra in Bryan-College
> Station, Texas.
>
> Randy Ford
Are there TWO Larry Campbells?
Charles Perron
Songo Man wrote in message >
I disagree. I would not place Urbie among the best. I think he is one of the
>most overrated players ever.
>
>songoman
Really?? What recordings have you heard of him? When I listen to him, even
to recordings that are stylistically dated, he amazes me.
Chuck
WBean999
>Are there TWO Larry Campbells?
>
>--
>
>Don
There has to be...I don't know who this fella's talking about...
EDM5970
Orchestra.
The XX Files
Vince Chrisman
Bass Trombone
South Oakland Concert Band
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Batspartan
The David, Guilmant, and Creston, (double F#!!!!!)
Alan Seiden
Concertos" CD) gives me goosebumps.
Ulf Åbjörnsson
best bass bone players!
Ulf
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