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horns are. You must be looking at the Olds being auctioned on eBay right
now, thinking, "Hot damn, that looks purdy good!" Ron, the Olds is a
WONDERFUL horn! Buy it! And remember to tell Brian Berlin what you think
of it when you get it home and try it out! :-)
(I hate emoticons, but I wanted to let you know I'm smiling as I write
this...or am I?)
W@YS?
ron wrote in message <38D839AA...@herald.infi.net>...
JChin
>
>how good are the olds trombone?
>
Olds Ambassador, and now I play a Olds Super. Just goes to show there's no
accounting for taste. But every horn sounds different, and it's a matter of
personal preference and what you're trying to achieve. If you're thinking
about the Olds on Ebay, I think that the only 2 worth considering are the Super
and the Recording. However, IMHO, they're too expensive. BUT I could be
wrong.
Tim Dowling
ron wrote:
> how good are the olds trombone?
how old are the good trombones?
Brian Berlin
I have nothing against them - I just ranked them 4th out of the brands
listed. If I had something against them I'd list them much lower. I've
only had 2 Olds horns in my life. One was a beginner horn that I bought to
sell and played like a decent beginner horn. The other was a valve trombone
which was pretty good.
Bb
Harry Wootan
either straight or with/F.
And the Custom is a *very* nice horn. It's a .500" straight horn. Just
a little tough to find. I just sold mine (money problems!). I'm
already regretting it!!
But don't buy a *new* Olds. They're different now. The earlier Olds
horns were made until the late 1970's or thereabouts.
-- Harry
john...@home.com (JChin) wrote:
>>In article <38D839AA...@herald.infi.net>, cka...@herald.infi.net says...
>>>
>>>how good are the olds trombone?
>>>
>>I think that I'm in the minority here, but I happen to like Olds. I've had an
>>Olds Ambassador, and now I play a Olds Super. Just goes to show there's no
>>accounting for taste. But every horn sounds different, and it's a matter of
>>personal preference and what you're trying to achieve. If you're thinking
>>about the Olds on Ebay, I think that the only 2 worth considering are the Super
>>and the Recording. However, IMHO, they're too expensive. BUT I could be
>>wrong.
>>
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Neal
Brian Berlin wrote in message ...
>Yes, please do tell.
>
>I have nothing against them - I just ranked them 4th out of the brands
>listed
You ranked them below #3 - "all of the others". That's really lower than
4th, isn't it?
Dave Rice
That all depends on the specific instrument and on its player. Overall
the Olds trombones suck. But in their day, they were ok student horns.
Although, I must say that I did liked the Olds Opera for some symphony
work. Now in terms of Jazz, forget it. Get a good old King 2B. I should
also say that I still have an Olds Super with the Valve section and
slide. I only use the valve section when I play that horn. Otherwise, I
play my King slide trombone. By the way, if you want a valved trombone,
look to a Getzen Bass Trumpet for your best sound, playing and valve
action. Valve bones just don't get it. For what it is worth, an Olds
Trombone is an OK knock around, student type instrument. You can play
them and have fun doing so. Who knows, maybe you have one that plays
real well. I think the key to it is, if you like it keep it and play it.
If you don't, get a hipper Ax (a good horn). All horns deserve to be
played. So if you don't want it or if you don't want to play it, sell it
or give it away to someone who needs a horn or who wants to learn to
play one.
Good luck and my best to you,
Dave Rice
JChin
about the bass.
The original Olds went under during the late 70s. I bought an Olds Baritone
Bugle back then, but as I remembered it, I thought that they were just
discontinuing their bugle line.
I get differing stories about who's making Olds now. I think it's in an
earlier post on thie ng. But I'm pretty sure that it's not Blessing.
In article <38da2af8....@news.mindspring.com>,
hpw.dont...@mindspring.com says...
>
>The Opera is also a good one. It's a large-bore (.554" or so). Somes
>either straight or with/F.
>
>And the Custom is a *very* nice horn. It's a .500" straight horn. Just
>a little tough to find. I just sold mine (money problems!). I'm
>already regretting it!!
>
>But don't buy a *new* Olds. They're different now. The earlier Olds
>horns were made until the late 1970's or thereabouts.
>
> -- Harry
>
>
>john...@home.com (JChin) wrote:
>
>>>In article <38D839AA...@herald.infi.net>, cka...@herald.infi.net
says...
>>>>
>>>>how good are the olds trombone?
>>>>
JRB
loved every minute of it! I've been looking for another (with the
F-attachment this time) but they are getting hard to find. A bored-out 5G
mouthpiece helps me keep the sound big and full.
JRB
Harry Wootan wrote in message <38da2af8....@news.mindspring.com>...
Harry Wootan
is sorta border-line for a tenor.
Olds made a few bass trombones along the way, too. One that I had was
an O-25. I think there were a few other "O-++" models.
-- Harry
john...@home.com (JChin) wrote:
>>Yeah. I forgot about the Opera. I guess I was thinking "tenor" and forgot
>>about the bass.
>>
Tommy and Lori Burton
>
I've read the various posts about this horn. I have never played an
Olds, but I asked my trombone professor (who plays an old Conn 88H model)
about it. He seemed to remember the Olds horn being a decent student model.
I play an open wrap Bach 42. I love my horn. I do feel that outside of
a custom made horn, you cannot go wrong with the Bachs. I know there have
been complaints about the trigger valve. The newer models seemed to have
fixed this.
The old Conn 88H models are very nice. From what I understand, they
went through a rough perios and the quality of horns they produced was not
the same standard. I've also heard that newer Conn models are nice. I
wonder if this is a result of the United buyout?
My teacher also likes the Yamaha horns. He toured their factory and was
impressed with the way they handled their production. I've never played a
Yamaha trombone. My wife plays a topline Yamaha flute and she loves it.
All that said, I believe the quality of a horn is determined by several
factors. The age of the horn, the maker, etc. Find a model that is right
for you. Again, for price, quality, and availabilty, the Bachs are decent
horns. The Yamaha would be another choice. There are other things to
factor in like the finish (I played a silver horn) and mouthpiece. Also,
what style are you trying to play? I guess what you get out of a horn is
what you put in!
Tommy Burton
Dale J. Cruse
Dale
--
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Dr.
Johnson
>"Tommy and Lori Burton" <bur...@telepak.net> wrote in message
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John Lowe
bell. I still have mine; the rotors and slide are kinda tired now, but I
always liked the sound.
I'm not entirely sure, but it may have been the first production inline
double rotor.
JohnL
Jerry Lapham
> Olds made a few bass trombones along the way, too. One that I had was an
> O-25. I think there were a few other "O-++" models.
I really like my P24G I bought new on close out in 1979.
-Jerry
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MR/2 Ice tag: For the millionth time, don't exaggerate!
GRIZ
Olds did some name-dropping, too. There was the Rapheal Mandez
trumpet, & the George Roberts bass-'bone, that I can remember- were
there more endorsers that I forgot? I used to have those Olds, King,
Holton, Conn, Bach, Buescher, ads so memorized, I'd wear the ink off of
the pages! I remembered the "Custom", as being a Conn, with a short
bell-stalk, for easy plungering & muting. Was that really an Olds?
& hey kids, just because a few of these old makes don't exist any
more, doesn't mean they were "toy-makers"! I don't know if it was the
invasion of Yamaha, that killed a few of the manufacturers, or what it
was. The first Yamaha 'bone I tried was in 1971, & was very Bach-like,
resembling a #36, it played well, but not sweetly, like a real #36 did.
I really was amazed at how many people flocked to Yamaha, as they're
pricing was never a real decisive influence. I may have been more
interested if the price had been sweeter.
Getting back to Olds, I think many of us think back of that first
trombone many of us had, when it became "not good enough", any more!
That's the last Olds that many 'bonist had stamped in their heads!
PASSING THE TORCH
KEEPING THE FIRE OF
BRASS ALIVE ! ! GRIZ
http://community.webtv.net/PAPAGRIZBONE/GRIZ
http://community.webtv.net/PAPAGRIZBONE/GARYKURBISWEBPAGE
!
John Beers
people moving back to UMI brass instruments. I bought a Conn 88HO/W last
year, and I still love it, and though I compared it with a bach LT42BO
(oh, what a sweet slide) I liked the sound much better and the action of
the trigger better, though most of the poeple I talk to disagree. In my
band, by the way, in the past year, we have bought
2 Benge Trumpets (one 60B Leonore, and one 3X)
A benge Trombone (190F)
and 2 Conn Trombones (My 88HO and a friends 52H
Just as a differing viewpoint
2 Bach Strad 42C's
1 Bach Strad 42BO
2 Bach Strad 42B's
2 bach strad 36BO's
and 1 Bach 200B, which frankly I feel is one of the worst horns I have
played.
BTW what use is the convertible feature? Besides weight, I know that
veres my Father's 8H, my 88H has a very similar sound (BTW: My father's
8H is elkhart.)
> what style are you trying to play? I guess what you get out of a horn is
> what you put in!
> Tommy Burton
actikid
<<snip>>
> 2 Bach Strad 42C's
> BTW what use is the convertible feature? Besides weight, I know that
> veres my Father's 8H, my 88H has a very similar sound (BTW: My father's
> 8H is elkhart.)
I haven't played on the Bach convertble system, but I definitely use
convertible bells on my bass trombone. I use a heavy yellow brass one
for big ensembles that expect a solid, forceful, brassy sound (concert
band, symphonic band, symphony). I go with more copper in smaller
ensembles where a sweeter tone may be preferred over sheer volume. Of
course you could accomplish the same thing with two separate horns, but
this solution is considerably cheaper. I quite agree with you that
there is little purpose in a convertible system if the horn is always
used for a single purpose.
Harry Wootan
model, as your professor recalls. But, as someone else pointed out,
some folks' perception of Olds is based solely on the one(s) they were
exposed to along the way.
The Ambassador was only the base of the Olds lineup: Ambassador,
Superstar, Special, Studio, Super, Recording, Opera, Custom ... just
to name the tenors.
And ... Olds was in existence for *many* years before giving up the
ghost in the 70's. There were other models before those. They just may
not have had names invented for marketing purposes. :-)
-- Harry
"Tommy and Lori Burton" <bur...@telepak.net> wrote:
>>> > how good are the olds trombone?
>>>
>>
>> I've read the various posts about this horn. I have never played an
>>Olds, but I asked my trombone professor (who plays an old Conn 88H model)
>>about it. He seemed to remember the Olds horn being a decent student model.
>>........
>>Tommy Burton
Brian Berlin
>>My Opera was an absolute Cadillac to play..
Just to chime in, if you'd like to see an excellent trombonist actually play
a Cadillac (exhaust), try to catch Barnum's Kaleidoscap circus when it's
near your town. It is well worth the money. Maybe it was a mercedes. Very
well done nevertheless.
http://www.barnumskaleidoscape.com
Brian
John Beers
trigger often but still need one once in a while, try the Yamaha 682B,
its the open-wrap Yamaha with the large rotor, however, it does not
sound as nice as my 88HO open or closed, and has too much resistance
through the attachment
HJ
HJ
JChin <john...@home.com> wrote in message
news:v2BC4.34494$hT2.2...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> Yeah. I forgot about the Opera. I guess I was thinking "tenor" and
forgot
> about the bass.
>
actikid
>
> What would be vintage/quality on a Yamaha Olds Ambassador? Worth $325?
Yamaha has nothing to do with the Ambassador, to my knowledge. The Olds
Ambassador was produced over a span of maybe 20 years (I'm guessing
something like 1958-1978 -- I may be way off here). In any case, it was
a student horn, quite serviceable and among the most rugged of
instruments. It wasn't worth $325 ever and certainly isn't today. If
it has an F attachment and is in very good condition, it might be a buy
for $125, more like $75 for a good condition straight Ambassador.
JChin
Olds? I dunno, but I suppose it's possible. The only thing that I ever saw
was something on eBay where someone showed an Olds Ambassador with a Yamaha
owner's manual. I kinda dismissed it when I saw it.
I also recently saw a Conn Olds trombone on eBay. It was an Olds trombone in a
Conn case. Doesn't make it a Conn.
As far as paying $325 for an Ambassador? I wouldn't do it. But that's me, and
I don't know what the condition of the horn is. But I think that an Ambassador
could be had for a lot less.
Hope this helps.
In article <3915a93c$0$35...@news.voyager.net>, hwes...@hsonline.net says...
>
>What would be vintage/quality on a Yamaha Olds Ambassador? Worth $325?
>
JS SS 84
(JChin) writes:
>As far as paying $325 for an Ambassador? I wouldn't do it. But that's me,
and
I don't know what the condition of the horn is. But I think that an Ambassador
could be had for a lot less.<
I picked up an Olds Ambassador on Ebay for $115, which included the shipping.
I'm not sure what vintage, but it had the counterweight on the tuning slide
crossbar, rather than attached to the inner radius of the tuning slide as seen
on early (50's) models. The horn was in (IMHO) very good shape, and the slide
is dual bore in excellent condition. Engraving on bell says "Fullerton
California" and the Serial No. is 864053 if anyone could pinpoint date of
manufacture.
I picked up this horn to use while I was having my 1965 King 3B Silver Sonic
completely restored. I now use it when playing in environments which could be
damaging to my King. I was very pleased with the quality of the horn for the
price. Ebay is a little tricky. I have seen used horns with a reserve price
higher than the same horn new at Woodwind & Brasswind.
John Sunday
Lady Lake, FL
PPeek3
moulding plane for. Total investment about $30. My info on Olds serial
numbers..850,000 Oct 1973 900,000 Nov 1974. That would place yours early
'75 maybe??
PPeek3
>numbers..850,000 Oct 1973 900,000 Nov 1974. That would place yours early
>'75 maybe??
Obviously I should have said early '74. My math's not too bad, but my typing
could use some help!
Perry