playing trumpet AND trombone
Harald Masche
I started playing 28 years ago on a trombone. 22 years ago I decided to
change to trumpet. Now I try to combine both of the instruments, because
trombone playing is still fun. Do you have any experiences/tips in
playing both of them, or is this a bad idea? My trumpet is and will be
number one, of course...
Harald
Berlin/Germany
( who still loves his 20 year old getzen eterna ... )
Brad Howland
Kamloops Symphony Orchestra when it first started. It can be done. I know an
excellent musician by the name of Mike Herriott
www.the-trumpet-shall-sound.com ) who even does it professionally.
Regards,
Brad Howland
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"carl Dershem" <der...@home.com> wrote in message
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carl Dershem
> Hello,
> I started playing 28 years ago on a trombone. 22 years ago I decided to
> change to trumpet. Now I try to combine both of the instruments, because
>
> trombone playing is still fun. Do you have any experiences/tips in
> playing both of them, or is this a bad idea? My trumpet is and will be
> number one, of course...
>
> Harald
> Berlin/Germany
>
> ( who still loves his 20 year old getzen eterna ... )
I've been playing trumpet for over 30 years, and picked up trombone some 18
or so years ago. There are a couple of tricks that help.
1) Put most of your practice into the trumpet. it requires a lot stronger
musculature to play properly. I play about 3-4 hours on trumpet for ever
hour I put in on trombone.
2) Be *very* aware of your embrochure. If your settings on the different
horns are too different, you'll constantly fight yourself, and make little,
if ay, progress.
3) Remember that *air* is the key. The practice hours you put in on the
'bone will help there, as the larger horn takes more air.
4) When you play, play *musically*. Technique develops according to what
you need and what you use, and if you do a lot of technical stuff, it will
work itself out, but musicality always requires constant attention. This
includes not listening to poor players.
And don't give up!
cd
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GRIZ = Gary L. Kurbis Sr.
kind of student walks in next!
Playing out, some people tell me it was "a nice job! Trombone was
okay, too!
They don't know I've only played trumpet about 12 years, trombone for
40!
The trumpet is so much easier to play longer phrases.The shallower
flocks generally like the sound of a trumpet over a 'bone, is because
it's usually just playing the melody-line, over & over, because most
trumpeters can't jam! (Ooooooo! I can't believe I said that!) Oh, of
course you've got Clarke Terry, Freddie Hubberd, & Bobby Shew! They jam!
But Wynton?... "photographically memorizes"! Not the same! All your
big-name 'bonists "create" on the spot, with a skeletal outline, for the
"roadmap" of the chart.
PASSING THE TORCH
KEEPING THE FIRE OF
BRASS ALIVE ! ! GRIZ
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Ross
because the mouthpieces seem absurdly small, and embarrassing as well because the tryout
room was not sealed off acoustically. Everybody in the place could hear my cracking tones
and ear-splitting harshness.
I used to think trumpet "practice mutes" were for the benefit of outside observers, but I
now realize they are there for your own protection. The amount of practice required to
become skilled would have me permanently in the migraine unit at a local hospital.
Perhaps an expert could tell me if this impression is normal for a beginner on trumpet.
JB
try it out in one of the lesson rooms.
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John B.
"Ross" <rml...@fuse.net> wrote in message news:39E70CE1...@fuse.net...
> I tried out a Besson trumpet at a music store the other day. This was
most challenging
> because the mouthpieces seem absurdly small, and embarrassing as well
because the tryout
> room was not sealed off acoustically. Everybody in the place could hear
my cracking tones
> and ear-splitting harshness.
>
> I used to think trumpet "practice mutes" were for the benefit of outside
observers, but I
> now realize they are there for your own protection. The amount of
practice required to
> become skilled would have me permanently in the migraine unit at a local
hospital.
>
> Perhaps an expert could tell me if this impression is normal for a
beginner on trumpet.
>
>
> "GRIZ = Gary L. Kurbis Sr." wrote:
>
GRIZ = Gary L. Kurbis Sr.
will damage your 'bone-chops, by over-doing it on the trumpet, at this
stage! I was very casual about trumpet, at first, only wanting to play
well enough to teach beginners. Never going higher than a G (above
tuning C), always making sure my tone stayed "air-borne" enough as not
to crease my 'bone chops. I never said I wasn't careful! I only meant it
was easy, because I took it easy! Many hours- no pressure- high volume
of air, at low sound-levels.
I, by no means, call myself an expert trumpeter! I do, however, play
on a Besson #2-20, which may be a terrible horn, I don't know. If the
looks of a trumpet mean anything, my Besson is an absolute
"train-wreck"! Being a trombonist, I first had to cheat, by drilling out
the throat of a Bach 1-C to .201", which really helped me to get some
wind through the instrument, as the original throat-I.D. was .156". Even
with this extra air-flow, I have to vent some air out through my nose,
so I'll be able to take a breath at the end of a phrase! Like an obist,
who doesn't want a stroke, at age 50!
I also know (because of my older age), that you can't expect to
audition an instrument, by seeing if it will screech! The best Monette
$12,000 trumpet is still going to make you sound like you! Maybe 6
months from now, after 3 hrs a day, you may get a whole-tone higher, but
not because of the horn you chose!
Our transition to double-up, comes to us much easier, than to a
flutist, who wants to learn saxophone! To us, these two instruments seem
more similar to each other, than our 'bone is to a trumpet. But one is a
whistle that you blow like a pop-bottle, & the other has enough
back-pressure to make your head explode! The veteran flutist has never
dealt with back-pressure, before- some cannot shut off their nose,
keeping the wind from buzzing through the reed! It's a very long rope to
push! Our rope is an easier one!
Now if you want to be mad at Griz, you'll 'ave ta stand in line & take
a number!
"BUT I DON'T WANT S P A M !" (montypython)
Ross
used trumpet and attempt to learn to play it.
The music store scrounged up a 1-1/2C trumpet mouthpiece, which I assumed would be pretty
huge and would at least work on on the lower end of the range. Instead, it was only a tweak
larger than a 7C, still with a very shallow bowl and a tiny throat, as you mention. Trumpet
seems to require an entirely different set of chops than trombone, working with what feels
like a tiny 1/4" diameter patch of lip. (It's really about .65" diameter, but it feels like
1/4".)
In any event, the higher pitched instrument really did give me a headache after about 20
minutes of fiddling, so presumably it would be best to stick with the 'bone in my particular
case.
"GRIZ = Gary L. Kurbis Sr." wrote:
Gary Persons
wrote:
> at age 50!
Whoa! Age 50??? All this time I thought you were some old F@%t
that...that...well, that I could look up to. Now I find that I'm two
years older than you. Harrumph!
Gary (52 going on 18)
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Greyantler
soprano trombone, and it's such a hoot I was worried I might permanently damage
myself. Anybody know where I can get my hands on an alto trombone without
spending a fortune?
ic02r8800
Greyantler <greya...@cs.com> wrote in message
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Get an old pea-shooter and cut it down! Not as difficult as you might
think!!
I used an old Boosey Class A Orchestral model from about 80 years ago. It
blows better than I expected and was good fun to build.
Good idea to build it in D not Eb; much easier to read Alto clef on it!! I
didn't, but next time I will.
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Gareth Dunley
OLD TROMBONISTS NEVER DIE ... THEY JUST SLIDE AWAY
Peter Mansfield
"ic02r8800" <gareth...@ic24.net> wrote:
>
> Greyantler <greya...@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:20001020214901...@ng-fj1.news.cs.com...
> > Anybody know where I can get my hands on an alto trombone without
> > spending a fortune?
>
> Get an old pea-shooter and cut it down! Not as difficult as you might
> think!!
> I used an old Boosey Class A Orchestral model from about 80 years ago. It
> blows better than I expected and was good fun to build.
I had one which was made by Peter Lawback in London. It was very good for practising
on but I borrowed a 'proper one' for gigging. However, since my Nine Guinea wonder
has entered my life, I have revised my view on the ethics of cutting up 'peashooters'
> Good idea to build it in D not Eb; much easier to read Alto clef on it!! I
> didn't, but next time I will.
Quite possibly. Most embarrassing moment: turning up with alto to to Mozart C minor Mass
finding American edition with treble clef part and lots of extra movements to play, Sailing
through without a blemish until very last note - FF top C in C major chord, blanking and
going for 1st position.
Well Mozart did use b9ths didn't he?
PeterM Brighton, England
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