OT: Zep DVD / How The West Was Won
The Horse
anyone get it yet?
http://www.led-zeppelin.com/news/dvd_pressrelease.html
if so - opinions are requested.
-Horse
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insaner
<stevebNOS...@snip.net> wrote:
>http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008PX8P.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
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>anyone get it yet?
>
>http://www.led-zeppelin.com/news/dvd_pressrelease.html
>
>if so - opinions are requested.
i dont have it, but i will soon. it appears to be very bad ass
indeed. i have been researching ti for a while now, and its supposed
to be the shiznit.
numquam intellegere potest
gk
"Jesus fucking christ"! What a fucking band. I saw two of their tours in the
seventies, and this was a welcome trip down memory lane.
Viewing the DVD was kind of a melancholy event though...The discs chronicle
their live shows from just about their beginning , to their end. The raw
energy and bombast of their early shows transcending into their more
polished and fervent later dates. The last stuff from Knebworth is the
saddest. It wasn't long after that that JHB died, in effect, killing Zep
too.
Page's skills--hence--have gone to complete shit, and Plant was always
somewhat of a hack. He knew how to shout his shit and then get out of the
way for the band, but he was no great vocalist. JPJ is doing his thing now,
and the band is best left dead. I didn't see the Page/Plant shows, or would
I. Jimmy Page can barely hoist a guitar around his neck anymore, let alone
play one. They are best left to posterity.
The footage is good though, and the sound is fantastic in 5.1. Of all the
bands I saw in my wild and crazy youth, it was Zep that I always got the
most "amped up" for, and these DVDs remind my why. They simply got up on
stage, with minimal lighting/effects, and fucking rocked the house down.
These discs are great, but they still don't compare to having seen them
live.
The sound of that '58 Les Paul blasting out of those Marshalls...That
thundering down-low of JPJones, and the runaway freight train that was
"Bonzo"! Anyone who saw knows from where I speak.
I'll give Page some due here. The sound is good, and the video is pretty
well done, considering the age of the material. Even the stuff from the '73
MSG shows (I was there!!!) is synched up with the video...Something they
couldn't get right in "The Song Remains the Same". He even makes a point of
showing a lot more footage of Bonham's playing.
For those who don't know, John Henry Bonham was the greatest rock drummer
ever...Period. Watch these discs and dispute that claim...I dare you!!!
Others may have better chops, but this dude was the shit. Again, those who
saw know.
I highly recommend these discs to any music fan, even if you don't like Led
Zep (can there be anyone who doesn't?). They are a great testament to one of
the last pioneering music acts ever. No...This isn't the collection that all
of these hack bootleggers have been wanting for years, but it is a
comprehensive slice of rock history.
Caveat: For those with either DD, or DTS...The discs default to PCM sound,
so switch over before you sit there staring at a silent screen for five
minutes (like I did!).
Jn.
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> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008PX8P.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
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> anyone get it yet?
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> http://www.led-zeppelin.com/news/dvd_pressrelease.html
>
> if so - opinions are requested.
Word is it blows away "The Song Remains the Same".. and thats a tall order..
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"The Horse" <stevebNOS...@snip.net> schreef in bericht
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> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008PX8P.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
>
> anyone get it yet?
>
> http://www.led-zeppelin.com/news/dvd_pressrelease.html
>
> if so - opinions are requested.
Just watched Moby Dick...
WOOAAHHH! Amazing.
About the quality (sound, picture).. CD is nice, good job on the editting
stuff. The DVD is okish (very good if you keep in mind what they had to
start with). DVD1 is my fav by far btw (2 just contains lot less energy if
you ask me).
Sietse
chriง
"gk" <dmo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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fantastic to hear !!!! i cant wait!! dude yer so lucky to have seen zep
live!! im buying it this payday for sure. just hope my shitass ps 2 will
play the bloody dvd's.
Dave Muir
order..
Fantastic
That's all I needed to know :)
-Dave
insaner
bastard. i may not agree with you about music as a whole, but i damn
sure envy your having seen this band live. it is the band i would
most like to see that i havent. and never will :(
didnt get into em until around 82.
i kmean, i knew the songs, but i didnt love em like kiss. i
mean,zeppelin werent cartoons ya know? and i was like 6. it just
isnt fair
/throws a fit like a little girl
numquam intellegere potest
grantco
the Page/Plant shows, or would
> I. Jimmy Page can barely hoist a guitar around his neck anymore, let alone
> play one.
Actually this is only partly true. Page's skills "did" go to complete shit
practically, but teaming up with Coverdale (I know, I'm not into Coverdale
either, but there is some killer guitar writing and playing on that album)
as well as the Page/Plant tour did begin his ressurection. By the time he
toured with the Black Crowes though he skills were VERY much back. There is
some GREAT playing on their live album by Page.
Besides, as Page himself has more or less said, he's much more of a composer
of guitar music than just a guitar player. Its the unbelievable MUSIC that
Page wrote that is his claim to fame, much moreso than his abilities as a
"player."
insaner
lets not forget his masterful production skills. and as a player hes
no slouch, he was a very accomplished session player before zep hit.
numquam intellegere potest
gk
"grantco" <gra...@greenbaynet.com> wrote in message
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By the time he
> toured with the Black Crowes though he skills were VERY much back. There
is
> some GREAT playing on their live album by Page.
Not from what I heard. I didn't buy this, but the stuff I heard was pretty
lame. The guitar/s from the BCs were covering his ass everywhere. Then I saw
this PBS special regarding Sun records where Page and Plant did a cover of a
Carl Perkins tune...In a word; AWFUL. It was sad to see a one time hero
struggle so hard to make sense of an instrument he used to master!
> Besides, as Page himself has more or less said, he's much more of a
composer
> of guitar music than just a guitar player. Its the unbelievable MUSIC that
> Page wrote that is his claim to fame, much moreso than his abilities as a
> "player."
Yeah, but in the seventies, he was THE SHIT on guitar. And that was an era
of phenomenal guitarists. I feel bad for kids trying to learn guitar today.
If they don't have any historical perspective, they're fucked.
The dudes in the sixties/seventies took what they learned from the guys in
the forties/fifties, and created something new and exciting. At the base of
it all was musicianship though. Sure they cranked those amps up beyond what
they were designed to do, but they were playing shit that was new and highly
inspired.
Somebody started a thread a while back wanting to know people's ten best
guitar solos. I didn't even respond. I looked at what some had picked and
felt sad. Nobody would even know half the shit I'd pick, so I didn't waste
my time.
These guys out now don't have a fucking clue. All noise and no taste. Could
you imagine trying to emulate the guitar work in Korn? Furcryinoutloud! It
goes hand in hand with the scene now. All marketing. These bands don't give
a shit about their art, or are dedicated to their instruments. It's all
"part of the act". MTV killed music, whether you youngins want to admit it
or not. All genres are touched by mediocrity as well. Metal, pop, rock,
jazz...You name it. There are no guitar gods now. It's all a byproduct of
the "punk" movement. Then it was re-iterated during the early nineties with
the "grunge" shit.
One of the reasons I like Tool is because they keep a low profile, relying
on word of mouth and their live shows to build a fan base. Metallica started
out that way, but we all know where they are now!
One of the most poignant parts of the new Zep DVD is where they play
portions of an interview Page and Plant did way back when. To paraphrase,
they were saying how much they "personally" hated the media, and all the
hype that went into marketing bands. That's why there's so little footage of
them ever playing live. You HAD to be there!
JP may have come from one of the most well-known bands in the UK, but
Zeppelin cut their eye-teeth on the road. And they continued to do so, over
the course of their eleven year ride. Part of the mystique of seeing
Zeppelin live was how they'd play songs that hadn't even been released yet.
Not only that, but they'd completely revamp their tunes for a live setting.
It was just astounding to see them. At the time I was just thrilled to be
there, and be part of the magic. In hindsight, I'll never see anything like
that again.
Delta5Qmp
I remember hearing something a few years ago, it was strange, bizzare, nearly
without form or meter, no words, just an hour or two of guitar screeching and
noise assorted into some kind of avant garde album. The guy who played it for
me didnt know who it was either, he only said it had been called the greatest
album of all time by Lester Bangs, and that it involved someone from Led
Zepplin or Pink Floyd (he didnt remember which). Regardless of likes and
dislikes, or the horrid way im asking, Does anyone have any clue what i might
be talking about?
insaner
wrote:
thats "metal machine music" by lou reed.
numquam intellegere potest
gk
"Delta5Qmp" <delt...@aol.comicrelief> wrote in message
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It's Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music". Hey, to each his own.
Delta5Qmp
finally listen to it properly...
Richard Barker
> finally listen to it properly...
For what it's worth ;).
Rich
drax
"insaner" <ins...@isu.edu> wrote in message
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You got nothing to cry about. I had tickets to see them in the late 70's.
My sister was going to take me (I was 13 or something), and they cancelled.
I was that close (holds thumb and forefinger microns apart).
Interestingly I was also more into KISS at that time.
drax
grantco
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> "grantco" <gra...@greenbaynet.com> wrote in message
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> By the time he
> > toured with the Black Crowes though he skills were VERY much back. There
> is
> > some GREAT playing on their live album by Page.
>
> Not from what I heard. I didn't buy this, but the stuff I heard was pretty
> lame. The guitar/s from the BCs were covering his ass everywhere.
Well, if you mean by "covering his ass" that the Crowes went back to the
studio albums and learned all the triple tracked original layers of the
songs, then yes. For me though this was the best live Zep music has ever
sounded. Normally the single guitar had almost no hope of capturing the
multilayered effect of the original recordings. These were note for note
perfect rneditions of how the songs originally sounded.
Then I saw
> this PBS special regarding Sun records where Page and Plant did a cover of
a
> Carl Perkins tune...In a word; AWFUL. It was sad to see a one time hero
> struggle so hard to make sense of an instrument he used to master!
Don't know. He surely still probably has his bad days.
>
> > Besides, as Page himself has more or less said, he's much more of a
> composer
> > of guitar music than just a guitar player. Its the unbelievable MUSIC
that
> > Page wrote that is his claim to fame, much moreso than his abilities as
a
> > "player."
>
> Yeah, but in the seventies, he was THE SHIT on guitar. And that was an era
> of phenomenal guitarists. I feel bad for kids trying to learn guitar
today.
> If they don't have any historical perspective, they're fucked.
Purely as a technical player Page didn't equal other players like Ritchie
Blackmore or Robert Fripp. But he had the BEST music to play over...
Bill Jordan
>
> JP may have come from one of the most well-known bands in the UK, but
> Zeppelin cut their eye-teeth on the road. And they continued to do so, over
> the course of their eleven year ride. Part of the mystique of seeing
> Zeppelin live was how they'd play songs that hadn't even been released yet.
Pink Floyd used to do that too. I think it's a really cool idea - it
gives you an extra incentive to go see them live. Of course, bands
can't really do that today - they'd be bootlegged to hell and back.
It's too bad.
gk
"Bill Jordan" <bill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Pink Floyd used to do that too. I think it's a really cool idea - it
> gives you an extra incentive to go see them live. Of course, bands
> can't really do that today - they'd be bootlegged to hell and back.
> It's too bad.
Uhh, bootlegging was going on in the seventies...Big time. The new LZ DVD
actually incorporates some footage that Page was able to convince thieves to
let him use.
The reason bands don't do it today is simple. They won't play anything they
can't sell you. Besides, back then, it was all about the music. Nobody cared
what you looked like, or how you acted onstage. It was about getting the
music out. Experimentation was the cornerstone of some band's live
appearances. There were no videos to promote bands, so they had to get the
message out.
Now, you need some dj with a light show to see any kind of experimental live
event. People are back to wanting their music delivered in three to four
minute doses, exactly like it is on the record, with idiots out front
jumping around and gesturing like bad opera actors. BLAHHH!!!
Dragon Ded
say is AMAZING! The sound is amazing and so is the footage. Songs from EVERY
album. Moby Dick is amazing and so is Achilles Last Stand.GET IT! GET IT NOW!
chriง
until payday.
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gk
Did you find the two hidden (sort of) clips?
chriง
gk
"chriง" <aeon...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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> >
> > Did you find the two hidden (sort of) clips?
>
>
> which
You'll know when you see them. Dig into the discs. "Go towards the
lighhhttttt"!!!
chriง
hmmm ok ill look around.
gk
>
>
> hmmm ok ill look around.
Look in the submenus. There's one complete version of TSRTS from '77 (Page
is fucking lit), and another B&W from the Sydney '72 shows. Also some shots
of D&C from a concert they did in some giant indoor pool in '69 (I believe).
The '77 and '72 shots are boots, and they are complete. They also mix a buch
of homemade bootleg shit in with the profesionally filmed stuff. Something I
don't exactly condone, but it's their project, not mine!
Enjoy. I'm taking mine over to some friend's house tonight for a
screening/get together/rockout. Us old folks are cranking up the home
theatres and letting these mofos peel some paint!
The RAH show is fucking incredible, and Bonhams playing is damn near China
syndrome! No wonder Page played a Marshall 100w head and half stack! He
needed them just to get above Bonzo's blasts!
AH AH AHHHHHHH AH!
The Horse
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> AH AH AHHHHHHH AH!
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bought it tonight
so far, i only got up to (but not including) Moby Dick, and it does rock in
a major way I must say... the only criticism i have right now is how
pristinely clean some of the audio sounds when you can plainly see there
ought to be alot of other noise coming through... there are even times when
it looks like Pagey's riffs have been cleaned up with overdubs and such...
but i'm nitpicking. after all, i did come 3 times already...
*unsticks thumbs from space bar*
-hotHorse
gk
Here's the deal. As was the case in TSRTS, some cut and paste work has been
done to clean up some guitar flubs, and more importantly, Plant's vocal
shortcomings (notice that neither Jones or Bonham needed any such
doctoring). It's the nature of the beast. There are books (and web pages)
dedicated to how much tampering went into the making of "TSRTS". They did it
on "How the West Was Won" too (except "Since I've been loving you", which is
untouched).
Just let it go and enjoy the moment. The sound is FANTASTIC, and the footage
is good. If you sit there listening for splices, you'll miss the show. Most
"live" albums have the same shit done to them. It's just that in the case of
LZ, you've got all of these bootleggers out there screaming "That's not the
solo from 7-29-73. They cut the fourth measure from 7-28 and put in the 7-29
show". Blah blah blah...
Zeppelin were bootlegged mercilessly, and there's this vast amount of
material from practically every show they did! That's why it's funny on this
DVD to see Page cutting some of the homemade video in with the pro stuff.
Do yourself a favor. Turn that DVD up as loud as your ears can take it
(through a great HT surround system) and enjoy the ride!