The pronunciation of Ænima
Jeremy Hall
read on if you're interested and ignore it if you're not.
I'm taking a class this semester that is called The History of the English
Language. One of the first things that we did was learn how to read and
write with the IPA alphabet. Now, we're using that knowledge to quickly look
over Indo-European roots as seen through Gothic, Old Norse, Irish, Russian,
Sanskrit etc.
The IPA (http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa.html#Aims), or International
Phonetic Association, says they "provide the academic community world-wide
with a notational standard for the phonetic representation of all
languages."
According to the IPA alphabet, "Æ" is a vowel sound that is pronounced with
the front of the tongue at a low height. It's the vowel sound in the word
"pat" or "bat".
Now, I pronounce the title as "On-emma". I guess I decided on that
pronunciation because #1 I heard the guys pronounce it that way in an
interview and #2 I prefer putting emphasis on the Jungian term "anima" than
on "enema". But, with this knowledge, wouldn't it mean that the real
pronunciation is "An-emma"? Unless there's some other usage of the "Æ" vowel
sound that I haven't come across yet, it would seem that that is the case.
The IPA vowel sound even complies with the Encylopedia Brittænica
pronunciation!! Eh, so I guess tell me what you think.
-Jeremy
"You believe that I run after the strange because I do not know the
beautiful; no, it is because you do not know the beautiful that I run after
the strange."
-Lichtenberg
Amun-Latch
>
> Okay, I know that this topic has been beaten to death but I'm curious. So,
> read on if you're interested and ignore it if you're not.
> I'm taking a class this semester that is called The History of the English
> Language.
They dont follow how its "supposed" to be pronounced. As it says in the FAQ, they made up the word
so they can pronounce it however they want to.
Latch
--
"FUCKING WOODEN FORKS SPLINTER IF YOU WANK WITH THEM" - Andy
"Do you know the industry slang for Flight Attendant? Air Mattress."
Clay
My friend used to pronounce it 'the scary one'. I'd say that works well
enough.
-Clay
Ersatz Jesus
Jeremy Hall wrote
> According to the IPA alphabet, "Æ" is a vowel sound that is pronounced
with
> the front of the tongue at a low height. It's the vowel sound in the word
> "pat" or "bat".
> Now, I pronounce the title as "On-emma". I guess I decided on that
> pronunciation because #1 I heard the guys pronounce it that way in an
> interview and #2 I prefer putting emphasis on the Jungian term "anima"
than
> on "enema". But, with this knowledge, wouldn't it mean that the real
> pronunciation is "An-emma"? Unless there's some other usage of the "Æ"
vowel
> sound that I haven't come across yet, it would seem that that is the case.
> The IPA vowel sound even complies with the Encylopedia Brittænica
> pronunciation!! Eh, so I guess tell me what you think.
>
> -Jeremy
"Æ" I've learned is pronounced "ee" as in dæmon or encyclopædia. Then it'd
be "ee-nima" which sounds even stupider than "An-emma." I'd trust how tool
says it's pronounced since they made the word up.
-josh
Jeremy Hall
we're also supposed to do things exactly like them without question because
that way we're being individuals right? Guess I should stop questioning
things and applying outside knowledge. How stupid of me.
-Jeremy
"How many of you hippies are tripping right now?" -Jimmy Keenan
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TidalCoil
I pronounec the song- en-e-ma
I don't care how tool pronounces it because I have been saying it so long
that way that I would be able to change my habit.
>"How many of you hippies are tripping right now?" -Jimmy Keenan
Why do people call him Jimmy? He is Maynard. If he wanted you to call him
Jimmy, he wouldn't have changed his name. Man, I don't like it when people
call me Rebecca.
Becca
Chris Brightwell
> "How many of you hippies are tripping right now?" -Jimmy Keenan
hahahaha
jimmy keenan
hahahahahahaha
ok i'm done laughing at you now
hahaha
--
chris
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Jeremy Hall
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Jeremy Hall
meant by it at all and I have never vocally referred to him as such. I just
get tired of always writing the same thing after his quotes, so I change it
up a bit. It's being playful. I don't think he'd be ANGRY if he saw me quote
him as "Jimmy the movie critic". Though I guess I could be more conscious of
when I'm quoting him in here if everyone is insulted FOR him because I don't
call him Maynard all the time. Then again, you're not any closer to him than
I am are you? Way to split hairs though, thanks bunches.
-Jeremy
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Mike Smith
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> According to the IPA alphabet, "Æ" is a vowel sound that is pronounced
with
> the front of the tongue at a low height. It's the vowel sound in the word
> "pat" or "bat".
That's how I've always pronounced it.
--
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
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> > Okay, I know that this topic has been beaten to death but I'm curious.
>
> My friend used to pronounce it 'the scary one'.
Well, that's how the pronunciation is *written*, but it's actually
*pronounced* "throat-warbler-mangrove". ;-P
--
Mike Smith
Jeremy Haik
> > jimmy keenan
> > hahahahahahaha
> > ok i'm done laughing at you now
> > hahaha
uhhh...why is that so funny? track 9 on the album in question comes to
mind....
-jeremy
Smagmapig333
hang out with him and know that his friends/family refer to him as Maynard and
not Jimmy, Jim or James then how the hell do you know. I wouldn't doubt that he
goes by Jim. Afterall he wears many different outfits to separate himself the
performer from Mr. Keenan himself.
Mike
Smagmapig333
etc... Also 2 of them pronounce Schism as Ski-zim. I'm guessing if the band
members pronounce it that way that's the way it was meant to be said, but
that's just a guess.
TidalCoil
says, "Nice to meet you Becca, my name is Jim", I am calling him Maynard.
Becca
Clay
-Clay
TidalCoil
>From: "Jeremy Haik" jhaik...@ALLwam.umd.edu
>Date: 2/11/02 10:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3c68...@news.toolband.com>
Oh yeah, I guess we all just forgot the name of the song. So would you call
Maynard's girlfriend, brena?
Becca
Jeremy Haik
call
> Maynard's girlfriend, brena?
>
> Becca
i dont think "jimmy" is that far from the mark considering his fucking name
is james....
jeremy
TidalCoil
Jeremy Haik
except he didnt...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1742186
-jeremy
Chris Brightwell
> > exept that he changed it to Maynard...
>
> except he didnt...
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1742186
the word is "heresay".
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Keenan,+Maynard+James credits it to Maynard
James Keenan, as do all other official references i can find.
you don't call mark twain "sammy", do you?
TidalCoil
>Message-id: <3c69...@news.toolband.com>
Do me a favor, look on Toolband.com. What is his name listed as? umm.....
Maynard! Wow- I guess we just realized what someone who know him through Tool
should call him. Sheesh, my given name is Rebecca and not even my mother calls
me that. Like I said, until you meet him and he says, "Hi I am James
Humperdink Keenan and I am 5'5" and 130 lbs and I live in North Hollywood"
then as far as I am concerned, he is Maynard.
Becca
PS- Maynard is 5'5"? I thought he was a little taller than that. Although he
always looks so small next to danny and snoop doggy dog.
Chris Brightwell
> PS- Maynard is 5'5"? I thought he was a little taller than that.
Although he
> always looks so small next to danny and snoop doggy dog.
he's a tad bit shorter than me, and i'm 5'6".
Judy
> "TidalCoil" <tida...@aol.com> wrote
> > PS- Maynard is 5'5"? I thought he was a little taller than that.
> Although he
> > always looks so small next to danny and snoop doggy dog.
>
> he's a tad bit shorter than me, and i'm 5'6".
>
stage.
Judy
Jeremy Haik
Chris Brightwell
> http://toolshed.down.net/pix/mjk/mjk-usma.jpg
try something a bit more recent. how many people do you know that
either changed their name or adopted a "professional name" (stage name, pen
name, whatever) after college?
again, i ask - even if his legal name IS james, do you refer to mark
twain as "sam", "sammy", or "samuel"?
no? ah. ok.
Judy
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Mad Max
dictionary (phoenetic alphabet). From what I get, It's "Ski-zim" or maybe
even a little more "Ski-zem"
As for Aenima, then what they say goes!
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insaner
watch his feet.
numquam intellegere potest
Jeremy Haik
mark
> twain as "sam", "sammy", or "samuel"?
and again ill say no...my orignial point was that his name actually is
james...beyond that im not really contesting what youre saying....
-jeremy
Jeremy Haik
scratch the "again" part...i guess i forgot to include that in the last
reply...anyway all im saying is that you aren't really in a position to make
fun of someone for refering to a person by "one of" their real names, even
if they dont use it as prominently...if somone were calling maynard "bob" or
something like that then i could understand but that fact remains that there
is proof that his name is (or at least was) james, and i havent sen anything
about him legally changing his name to "maynard"...its the same as calling
some of the people on AMT by their given name as opposed to the handle they
provide on their posts...all i want to know is: what exactly is wrong/funny
about that?
-jeremy
Jeremy Haik
Maynard
> James Keenan, as do all other official references i can find.
by the way i just actually checked that and i dont really understand why you
posted a link to a site that says "birth name : james herbert keenan"...that
was my entire point...
-jeremy
eric
Jeremy Hall
Tool as untouchable, God-like performers and resuming my role as a
'Tool-army peon'" line, I guess I can go back to humbly awaiting the day
that I can bask in the glory of Mr. MAYNARD Keenan's glorious presence. Last
time I checked, they're fucking human and I really don't think that someone
who stresses love and compassion in their art is so uptight as to be
completely offended if I used his real first name in casual posting to a
message-board that he probably doesn't even read. Then again, I didn't
partake in a fucking ten day retreat where I learned how to face myself and
the Divine from PROFESSIONALS. But since those (read one) members of the
group who did felt that it was such a wonderful and unique learning
experience that everyone else needed to hear all of the intricate details so
they as well could learn how to fucking meditate, I know exactly what I need
to do with my spirituality. Until I can take a trip to southern california
and join a "Teach me how to fucking talk to God and myself" class, I guess
I'll have to live in this ignorant self-loathing bubble that I'm stuck in.
The one where I'm so disrespectful as to think that it's okay to refer to
people on a casual basis.
-Jeremy
"It's not a tumor!!" -Detective John Kimbell
PS- Way to fucking overlook the topic of this thread. Eager to be dickfaces
enough?
Jeremy Hall <Opiate...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, I know that this topic has been beaten to death but I'm curious. So,
> read on if you're interested and ignore it if you're not.
> I'm taking a class this semester that is called The History of the English
> Language. One of the first things that we did was learn how to read and
> write with the IPA alphabet. Now, we're using that knowledge to quickly
look
> over Indo-European roots as seen through Gothic, Old Norse, Irish,
Russian,
> Sanskrit etc.
> The IPA (http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa.html#Aims), or International
> Phonetic Association, says they "provide the academic community world-wide
> with a notational standard for the phonetic representation of all
> languages."
> According to the IPA alphabet, "Æ" is a vowel sound that is pronounced
with
> the front of the tongue at a low height. It's the vowel sound in the word
> "pat" or "bat".
> Now, I pronounce the title as "On-emma". I guess I decided on that
> pronunciation because #1 I heard the guys pronounce it that way in an
> interview and #2 I prefer putting emphasis on the Jungian term "anima"
than
> on "enema". But, with this knowledge, wouldn't it mean that the real
> pronunciation is "An-emma"? Unless there's some other usage of the "Æ"
vowel
> sound that I haven't come across yet, it would seem that that is the case.
> The IPA vowel sound even complies with the Encylopedia Brittænica
> pronunciation!! Eh, so I guess tell me what you think.
>
> -Jeremy
>
> "You believe that I run after the strange because I do not know the
> beautiful; no, it is because you do not know the beautiful that I run
after
> the strange."
> -Lichtenberg
>
>
TidalCoil
TidalCoil
>From: "Chris Brightwell" cdb47....@home.com
>"TidalCoil" <tida...@aol.com> wrote
>> PS- Maynard is 5'5"? I thought he was a little taller than that.
>Although he
>> always looks so small next to danny and snoop doggy dog.
>
> he's a tad bit shorter than me, and i'm 5'6".
>
>
>
>--
>chris
We are the same height :) How much do you weigh?
Becca
Judy
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myself in years. I'm a little heavier than I like to be right now. Since
my daughters both had babies this summer, I've been holding babies and
eating cookies more and hiking and moshing less. I found a rock climbing
gym that my granddaughter and I can go to and I think that I will start that
soon. Portland is so cold and rainy in the winter; it is hard to get
motivated. I need to get up to the mountain and snowboard more too I'm
heavier than I look, because I have lifted weights for years anyway.
Judy
changed. That's the way his eyes crinkle at the edge when he smiles.
Judy
Chris Brightwell
Smagmapig333
family.
The Propies Man
that you would actually read what you write and still send it.
Jimmy
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insaner
<cdb47....@home.com> wrote:
>"TidalCoil" <tida...@aol.com> wrote
>> We are the same height :) How much do you weigh?
>
> 230 lbs
no fuckin way.
numquam intellegere potest
TidalCoil
Chris Brightwell
> > 230 lbs
way.
i was a skating rink addict when i was younger, and have always been
camping or backpacking - this tends to build a rather large, muscular body.
last i checked (when i ordered my knee brace), the circumfrence of
my knee is 19", my calf is roughly 17", and my upper thigh is probably
closer to 24". that's a whole lotta muscle.
hulk hogan's biceps, in his prime, were roughly 24".
i can find a scale, step on it, and take a pic if you want :P
TidalCoil
>From: "Chris Brightwell" cdb47....@home.com
>Date: 2/14/02 9:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <eASa8.41095$B21.10...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>
Really? I thought when you said 230, you meant you were fat!
Becca
-=clint>
> "insaner" <ins...@thanu.gov> wrote
> > > 230 lbs
>
> way.
>
> i was a skating rink addict when i was younger, and have always
been
> camping or backpacking - this tends to build a rather large, muscular
body.
>
> last i checked (when i ordered my knee brace), the circumfrence of
> my knee is 19", my calf is roughly 17", and my upper thigh is probably
> closer to 24". that's a whole lotta muscle.
>
> hulk hogan's biceps, in his prime, were roughly 24".
>
>
> i can find a scale, step on it, and take a pic if you want :P
>
> --
> chris
So you're all muscle then? You must have a strong neck!
Chris Brightwell
> So you're all muscle then? You must have a strong neck!
no i'm not all muscle.
but i'm not what you'd think of when you hear about a guy that's
5'6" and 230lbs.
Judy
"Chris Brightwell" <cdb47....@home.com> wrote in message
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> > > 230 lbs
>
> way.
>
> i was a skating rink addict when i was younger, and have always
been
> camping or backpacking - this tends to build a rather large, muscular
body.
>
> last i checked (when i ordered my knee brace), the circumfrence of
> my knee is 19", my calf is roughly 17", and my upper thigh is probably
> closer to 24". that's a whole lotta muscle.
>
near that big. I used to bike fifty miles at a time with no effort and
could hike twenty easily.
Judy
TidalCoil
>From: "Judy" jec...@gte.net
Damn, I am skinny. My calves are only twelve inches and my theighs are
nineteen. My waist is 23" which is absurdly tiny. Judy, was biking 50 miles
at a time hard on your body?
Becca
Judy
drinking beer all night, was tough.
I used to have a bike instead of the truck and I was riding it all the time.
I tried jogging and it did damage to my knees, but other than a few
accidents, biking never hurt anything.
I had four accidents in the space of nine years.
I was carrying groceries in one arm and had to stop suddenly. Saved the
eggs, skinned the knees.
Car hit me from the side, threw me two feet sideways, landed on the bar.
rather not think about that one.
Got overheated in Key West after racing, forgot to unstrap my toes, fell in
slow motion.
Rear ended a car at a light. Should have seen the look on the drivers face.
No damage.
insaner
<cdb47....@home.com> wrote:
>"-=clint>" <cl...@provide.net> wrote
>> So you're all muscle then? You must have a strong neck!
>
> no i'm not all muscle.
>
> but i'm not what you'd think of when you hear about a guy that's
>5'6" and 230lbs.
thats why i said no way.
numquam intellegere potest
Chris Brightwell
> Rear ended a car at a light. Should have seen the look on the drivers
face.
> No damage.
haha i've done that
had to replace my tire. the guy said not to worry about the dent in
the trunk - he'd enjoy telling the story.
i was a sidewalk man after that. heh.