Though the acoustic guitar starting at around 5:28 to 5:45 might be in there
to throw people off...
It's still good, though. A lot more interesting than some of the other LZ
covers I've heard...
-Clay
i don't think so, clay.
"in jealousy, there is more self-love than love" ~francois de la rochefoucauld
"a man is not an orange. you can't eat the fruit and throw the peel away"
~arthur miller
"no one can make you feel inferior without your consent" ~elenor roosevelt
"He never chooses an opinion; he just wears whatever happens to be in
style."
-- Leo Tolstoy
It might be a polished soundboard via soundforge...
>As I understand Tools recording of Aenima they already had all of the
>arrangements down prior to going into the studio and the recording itself
>was done in only a few days. My bet is this was a studio creation. John
Yes, but it's still identical to the one from the 8-26-98 gig. If it's
really out of the studio, and what they did at the gig was something
different, then the whole concept of the song as an improvisation piece
completely eluded them. I really think they're too intelligent to have
missed that so completely... thus, I can't see how it couldn't come from
that show.
"sarcasm is the protest of people who are weak" ~john knowles
"in jealousy, there is more self-love than love" ~francois de la rochefoucauld
"a man is not an orange. you can't eat the fruit and throw the peel away"
~arthur miller
"no one can make you feel inferior without your consent" ~elenor roosevelt
Clay wrote in message ...
=)Yes, but it's still identical to the one from the 8-26-98 gig. If it's
=)really out of the studio, and what they did at the gig was something
=)different, then the whole concept of the song as an improvisation piece
=)completely eluded them. I really think they're too intelligent to have
=)missed that so completely... thus, I can't see how it couldn't come from
=)that show.
you arent listening to the same mp3 as i am.
mine is definately a studio work.
-ryan
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I totally agree.
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"melissa " <feelthi...@aol.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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I repeat myself:
this is the first new Tool' song I listened since Aenima. Listen to
production's cut and mixin' cut it might go back from record session of
Aenima. It's clearly row, less accurate than Aenima incredible sound but it
remind me those arrangements.
Another obvious thing: No Quarter is not a Led Zeppelin song.
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"John F. Sims" <sat...@mindspring.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> My impression after listening to Logan's MP3 is that this is a studio
> version, not a concert performance. It could plausibly be from a
rehearsal,
> but it sounds like a greater amount of care went into mixing it than that.
> As I understand Tools recording of Aenima they already had all of the
> arrangements down prior to going into the studio and the recording itself
> was done in only a few days. My bet is this was a studio creation. John
> "Clay" <jwy...@vci.net> wrote in message
> news:uKWm5.483819$MB.73...@news6.giganews.com...
what about the man is not an orange one?
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What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying that Led Zeppelin didn't
write the song (see "Houses of the Holy" for undeniable proof), or are you
saying that TOOL did a better version and should now be the rightful owners
of the song? If it's the former, you're mistaken, yet if you're stating the
latter, you're only slightly mistaken. I prefer Maynard's vocals to Robert
Plant's.
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Not necessarily... some soundboards actually have better sound than some
official releases... it depends entirely on how and what it was taped on...
>No audience at all is very bizarre for a concert.
Yes, but there's nothing to suggest that there had to have been an audience
mic.
>There are over-dubs.
As I said before, soundforge can accomplish this.
>I don't think this is live, and I don't think
>it's the finished product.
I don't agree; I agree.
>mine is definately a studio work.
>
I'm pretty darn sure I am; not necessarily.
-Clay
>"Mmm...chocolate." ~Homer Simpson
"i am so smart. s m r t, i mean s m a r t"
-homer simpson
fab wrote:
>
> Another obvious thing: No Quarter is not a Led Zeppelin song.
>
Pardon?
Either something got lost in the translation, or you're saying that
No Quarter wasn't originally done by Led Zep.
Could you please explain what you mean?
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> "Mmm...chocolate." ~Homer Simpson
>
> melissa wrote:
>
just curious, what is the right question form?
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>
> "fab" <tooli...@libero.it> wrote in message
> news:CX7n5.86436$dF5.1...@news.infostrada.it...
> <snip>
> > Another obvious thing: No Quarter is not a Led Zeppelin song.
>
This is demostration that Tool's release is older than Led Zep' release.
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>
>
> fab wrote:
> >
> > Another obvious thing: No Quarter is not a Led Zeppelin song.
> >
>
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Wow. Paul really plays bass well for someone who wasn't even alive at the
time.
Hats off to him...
fab wrote:
>
> Maeveleeeee, Maeveleeee! It's so clear!
> First step: Listen to Led Zep' release then listen to Tool's release. You
> did it. Ok.
> Now, second step: if you click with right of mouse on "No quarter" Mp3 and
> choose "Property", you will see the creation date. 6/6/66.
>
> This is demostration that Tool's release is older than Led Zep' release.
>
Umm..nope. I don't think any of the members of tool were older than
8 years old in 1966.
It is most definitely a zeppelin song.
Probably whoever made the file just put all 6's in it for the hell
of it.
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I'm a Tool totally addicted guy before to be an italian.
My brain like a stone with information about Tool.
I just kiddin'
My No quarter mp3 creation date say: monday 14 august 2000 23.41.17
Is it clear now?
Don't you say me that 6/6/66 doesn't make you suspicious?
I have lots of Led Zeppelin stuff but internal Cd notes credited No Quarter
to Keenan/Jones/Carey/D'Amour
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"fab" <tooli...@libero.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Maevele, do you think am I italian or am I a cave-man?
>
> I'm a Tool totally addicted guy before to be an italian.
> My brain like a stone with information about Tool.
> I just kiddin'
> My No quarter mp3 creation date say: monday 14 august 2000 23.41.17
> Is it clear now?
> Don't you say me that 6/6/66 doesn't make you suspicious?
>
> I have lots of Led Zeppelin stuff but internal Cd notes credited No
Quarter
> to Keenan/Jones/Carey/D'Amour
>
> --
> fab
> [tooli...@libero.it]
> "Maevele" <Mae...@secondsun.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:399E2756...@secondsun.net...
> >
> >
Like... sarcasm?
I thought you said that was for the weak.
Or, maybe that was Melissa...
Eh.
<snip funny stuff>
>if you click with right of mouse on "No quarter" Mp3 and
>choose "Property", you will see the creation date. 6/6/66.
well, mine says august 14. i don't see a 6/6/66 anywhere.
yep, it's a quote from john knowles.
"sarcasm is the protest of people who are weak".
How about: "Give me ambiguity or give me something else."
I can't remember who said that...
well, that is ringing some bells, but no name comes to mind. i like this one
too.
"madness may be a sane response to an insane world, and insanity heeds special
perceptions" ~r.d. lang
=)I'm pretty darn sure I am; not necessarily.
... mine is studio.
those sorts of sounds arent produced live.
-ryan
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=)Maeveleeeee, Maeveleeee! It's so clear!
=)First step: Listen to Led Zep' release then listen to Tool's release. You
=)did it. Ok.
=)Now, second step: if you click with right of mouse on "No quarter" Mp3 and
=)choose "Property", you will see the creation date. 6/6/66.
=)
=)This is demostration that Tool's release is older than Led Zep' release.
you kick serious ass, fab.
i laughed, HARD, for at least three minutes straight.
(=
=)well, mine says august 14. i don't see a 6/6/66 anywhere.
sweet! thats my birfday!
=)Yes, but there's nothing to suggest that there had to have been an audience
=)mic.
uh... do you know *anything* about live setups?
first off, on a drumset like danny's there are so many mics and so many kinds of
mics that they are going to get at least *some* noise.
second, have you ever seen maynard perform? he is all over the place. he turns
constantly. during a couple of these turns, he will inevetably get the mic
caught up in some crowd noise.
finally, the live version that i have is 9:something including maynards speaking
and the part where the band are doing little in-between-song-warmup
thingamafucks. the studio mp3 that i have is over 10 minutes long.
ah well.
>How about: "Give me ambiguity or give me something else."
>
>I can't remember who said that...
Or, whatever.
-Alt
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"_" <ryan...@home.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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what a sweet birthday present, eh?
I mean, I know these quotes are about brevity and wit, but FUCK, why not
make them brief, witty and TRUE as well?
That thing about madness is pure 6th form poetry too. You might as well put
"if there's nothing wrong with me then there must be something wrong with
the universe".
-b.
melissa wrote in message <20000819215804...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
for me it's true: sarcasm (I usually have resourse to it) is really the
protest of the weak. It is a way to hide some insecurity. It help to unknow
the real intention or real purpose when you're fearin' your ideas could be
wrong.
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"happy noodle boy" <mioNOc...@hotSPAMmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Doesn't anyone else hate those faux-intelligent paradoxes? That sarcasm
> being the protest of the weak is UTTER bullshit. It's weaker to just
> protest in your mind - to go down without even saying a word.
>
> I mean, I know these quotes are about brevity and wit, but FUCK, why not
> make them brief, witty and TRUE as well?
>
> That thing about madness is pure 6th form poetry too. You might as well
put
> "if there's nothing wrong with me then there must be something wrong with
> the universe".
>
>
> -b.
>
> melissa wrote in message <20000819215804...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
fab wrote:
>
> I don't know what did this newsgroup understand on sarcasm but...
>
> for me it's true: sarcasm (I usually have resourse to it) is really the
> protest of the weak. It is a way to hide some insecurity. It help to unknow
> the real intention or real purpose when you're fearin' your ideas could be
> wrong.
>
I have to disagree. I fall back on sarcasm a lot, and it's seldom
because I'm not secure about what I'm saying. Most of my real life
bitchyness comes through as sarcasm, basically if I hold a point
strongly enough to be mean bout it, it comes out sarcastic, in an
attempt to lighten it a little, or to really demand someone's attention.
It doesn't weaken my point, or imply that I'm insecure about it,
it's just one way I express myself strongly.
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=)what a sweet birthday present, eh?
*licks lips* wee!
=)happy
=)someone read btw the lines
i dont think i understand you here.
Yep, and I've recordings that go right to the contrary of everything you
just said. That's why I think it's live.
>finally, the live version that i have is 9:something including maynards
speaking
>and the part where the band are doing little in-between-song-warmup
>thingamafucks. the studio mp3 that i have is over 10 minutes long.
>
The live one I have on video and realaudio from the 8/26/98 show is about
10:30. I wasn't talking about live in general, I meant specifically the
8/26/98.
=)Yep, and I've recordings that go right to the contrary of everything you
=)just said. That's why I think it's live.
since youre supersoundengineergenuis, it *must* be live.
=)The live one I have on video and realaudio from the 8/26/98 show is about
=)10:30. I wasn't talking about live in general, I meant specifically the
=)8/26/98.
alright. i didnt know they performed it more than once.
my mp3 still isnt a live one though.
No, I just said it was more likely to be live being that it's basically
identical to one of live renditions. It does sound like it's from the
studio, but the similarities suggest otherwise.
> That sarcasm
>being the protest of the weak is UTTER bullshit.>
ok first of all.. and forgive me if i sound, well, rude, but.. that quote was
made to "anon" for a specific reason, and response to what he "quoted"/
responded to me.
i do not believe that sarcasm, the act of saying, or typing, what have you, is
actually a protest of people who are weak.
i use sarcasm alot, and i don't consider myself to be a weak individual. i am
horribly sorry that you think that quote is a "faux intelligent paradox". i
used it in a certain context, that is all.
>It's weaker to just
>protest in your mind - to go down without even saying a word.
i completely agree with you.
>I mean, I know these quotes are about brevity and wit, but FUCK, why not
>make them brief, witty and TRUE as well?
>
i certainly wasn't trying to get anyone's panties in a bunch.
>That thing about madness is pure 6th form poetry too.>
again, that was in response to someone elses' post, and i'm *so* sorry that it
bothered you.
it was written by a psychologist. not me.
np-miocene-pure. :)
=)No, I just said it was more likely to be live being that it's basically
=)identical to one of live renditions. It does sound like it's from the
=)studio, but the similarities suggest otherwise.
i havent heard those kinds of effects and that overall atmoshpere in any live
tool recordings.
Good to hear that you know us - but wait till you hear the new recording of
Pure - makes the old one look like a pop song.....hehh......
-b.
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I would say: "I would help you, I would say all I saw and heard but I'm a
good jewish, I don't judge others"
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"_" <ryan...@home.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> In <uhPn5.94968$dF5.1...@news.infostrada.it>, a worthless liar by the
name of
> "fab" <tooli...@libero.it> wrote:
>
> =)happy
> =)someone read btw the lines
>
> i dont think i understand you here.
>
fab wrote in message ...
fab wrote:
> I don't know what did this newsgroup understand on sarcasm but...
>
> for me it's true: sarcasm (I usually have resourse to it) is really the
> protest of the weak. It is a way to hide some insecurity. It help to unknow
> the real intention or real purpose when you're fearin' your ideas could be
> wrong.
>
> --
> fab
> [tooli...@libero.it]
> "happy noodle boy" <mioNOc...@hotSPAMmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:lNTn5.5842$BQ6....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > Doesn't anyone else hate those faux-intelligent paradoxes? That sarcasm
> > being the protest of the weak is UTTER bullshit. It's weaker to just
> > protest in your mind - to go down without even saying a word.
> >
> > I mean, I know these quotes are about brevity and wit, but FUCK, why not
> > make them brief, witty and TRUE as well?
> >
> > That thing about madness is pure 6th form poetry too. You might as well
> put
> > "if there's nothing wrong with me then there must be something wrong with
> > the universe".
> >
> >
> > -b.
> >
> > melissa wrote in message <20000819215804...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
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cool. sorry if i got too defensive. i think i'm going to start practicing
lurking more, so i won't have this happen so much.
i take things way too personally. thanks for clearing that up. just for the
record, i think quotes are meant to rile people up a bit. at least, they
usually make me think about things or ideas i've previously held. part of the
fun, i think, is to question and analyze them.
>Good to hear that you know us - but wait till you hear the new recording of
>Pure - makes the old one look like a pop song.....hehh......
great, i can't wait. any idea when it'll be up?
i just have shine and pure, but i'd love to hear more... i really really like
your voice.
peace.
=)sorry,
=)change btw with between
ooooh, okay. now it makes sense (=
(I told to myself I'm a donke too many times. Now I believe it)
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> In <Iq6o5.98547$dF5.1...@news.infostrada.it>, a worthless liar by the
name of
> "fab" <tooli...@libero.it> wrote:
>
> =)sorry,
> =)change btw with between
>
> ooooh, okay. now it makes sense (=
=)Ok. For this time ok.
=)but don't you forget to study next time.
=)
=)(I told to myself I'm a donke too many times. Now I believe it)
yes, SIR!
----- Original Message -----
From: "fab" <tooli...@libero.it>
Newsgroups: alt.music.tool
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Where No Quarter came from...
> TOOL did a better version and should now be the rightful owners
> of the song!
> yes.
>
> just curious, what is the right question form?
>
> --
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> [tooli...@libero.it]
> "Mr. Pepe" <d-wil...@onu.edu> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:lKcn5.4042$yq6.3...@cletus.bright.net...
> >
> > "fab" <tooli...@libero.it> wrote in message
> > news:CX7n5.86436$dF5.1...@news.infostrada.it...
> > <snip>
> > > Another obvious thing: No Quarter is not a Led Zeppelin song.
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying that Led Zeppelin
didn't
> > write the song (see "Houses of the Holy" for undeniable proof), or are
you
> > saying that TOOL did a better version and should now be the rightful
> owners
> > of the song? If it's the former, you're mistaken, yet if you're stating
> the
> > latter, you're only slightly mistaken. I prefer Maynard's vocals to
> Robert
> > Plant's.
> >
> > Mr. Pepe
> > AMT Code: Newbie T+ A+ Lx Sx FA P* CS
> >
> >
>
>
"fab" <tooli...@libero.it> wrote in message
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> TOOL did a better version and should now be the rightful owners
> of the song!
> yes.
>
> just curious, what is the right question form?
>
> --
> fab
> [tooli...@libero.it]
> "Mr. Pepe" <d-wil...@onu.edu> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:lKcn5.4042$yq6.3...@cletus.bright.net...
> >
> > "fab" <tooli...@libero.it> wrote in message
> > news:CX7n5.86436$dF5.1...@news.infostrada.it...
> > <snip>
> > > Another obvious thing: No Quarter is not a Led Zeppelin song.
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying that Led Zeppelin
didn't
> > write the song (see "Houses of the Holy" for undeniable proof), or are
you
> > saying that TOOL did a better version and should now be the rightful
> owners
> > of the song? If it's the former, you're mistaken, yet if you're stating
> the
> > latter, you're only slightly mistaken. I prefer Maynard's vocals to
> Robert
> > Plant's.
> >
> > Mr. Pepe
> > AMT Code: Newbie T+ A+ Lx Sx FA P* CS
> >
> >
>
>
Absolutely. That's what I meant about quotes being brief and witty and
TRUE. Brevity can NEVER explain complicated stuff - so it has to be
memorable. And if it's memorable AND brief AND witty then chances are it
isn't true as well. That's asking TOO much (and it's what Wilde realised).
So you might as well make 'em a talking point.
>great, i can't wait. any idea when it'll be up?
>i just have shine and pure, but i'd love to hear more... i really really
like
>your voice.
Thank you. We've signed a record contract, so there will be a six song EP
in the shops and stuff (in the UK at least); but I'll be trying to get a few
free ones to some people on here, and if we don't get so many I'll be making
tapes. It's sounding really cool though.
-b,
>peace.
-b.
--this IS a special day, isn't it?
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=)do you know a very old PCgame (4/5 years old) named "Warcraft II"?
=)in this, when you picked up (with mouse) a farmer/slave, he said "yes, my
=)lord!" with a subdued&thick vocal tone.
heh, yeah. i guess i should answer, yesh, m`lourd.