Is Tool Gay?
GBayPac
Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
GBayPac
GBayPac
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why are people so worried if any of them are gay would that make you hate
their music? would it make their music sound "gay"
I think you need to worry about more important things rather than if their
gay or not!
GBayPac <gba...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Irene Macabante
GBayPac (gba...@aol.com) writes:
> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
Yes, all the rumors are true.
Two 20 67
>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
since you posted this 3 times, i guess you must be really worried about
this. so here's the answer: Yes, some of Tool's members are gay. Some
of your teachers are gay. Some football players are gay. Some actors are
gay, too. And guess what. If you talk to anyone who is gay, or look at
or listen to anyone who is gay, then YOU WILL BECOME GAY. And you will be
ostracized. And you will die. So be careful, man. Lock your doors and
by all means, burn all your Tool records!!
Xx NYL xX
>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Does it diminish the quality of the music?
Does it change the fact that Tool is a great band?
I mean... do you really think that anytime soon you will be alone with one
of the members of Tool that is gay.. and he's gonna find you attractive
and try to molest you right there? Because, if that is your fear, fine. I
mean, then I could understand you maybe being worried about this. But if
your plans do not include getting molested in the near future by a member
of Tool, then what does sexual preference matter?
This is the most inane post I have seen on this newsgroup.
At first I didn't even want to dignify it with a reply..but then I
realized.. if one person is posting this, at least 10 others are thinking
it. Eegads ppl. I thought Tool was a bit too intelligent for morons to
like.
Grow up.
~~~~ "If flesh could crawl, my skin would fall from off my bones and worm away from here... as far from God, as angels can fly, as far from God, as heaven is wide."~~~~
Shane M. Brouse
This will be my final contribution on this topic.
gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) wrote:
> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay.
"but" what? You'll stop listening to them if you find out that they are
gay? Maybe I'm gay. Does that affect my credibility?
> Does anyone know if that is true
If a "gay" person is homosexual, then here are the facts:
1. MJK has a son
2. JC got married (to a female) last month
3. I met DC's (female) partner after a show in November
4. AJ has a (female) partner
At least, half the above information above can be found on
http://toolshed.down.net
"Steve Ehrenberg" (sehr...@lynx.neu.edu) wrote:
> I guess the reply your question begs is, does it matter?
> don't worry about whether they like guys or girls.
> The music still rocks one way or the other.
Agreed.
sh...@toolshed.down.net
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Jeff Gretz
In article <19970219135...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) writes:
>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
Tool does have a great deal of homoerotic imagary in their lyrics but that
doesn't mean anything. I use much of the same thing in my band (Sometimes
worse) but that doesn't mean a thing. I have a girlfriend. I'm not gay.
Sometimes it's fun to slip stuff like that in to see if people will realize it
or not. Tool probably is using it as a metahpor for something deeper though.
jeff
Steve Ehrenberg
I guess the reply your question begs is, does it matter? There is a
sexual/rectal connotation to some of Tools music (prison sex, 4 degrees,
stinkfist, etc..) and that may have facilitated that rumor. I don't know
if there is any confirmation one way or the other, though Im sure Shane
will have some input, but I suspect they are quite heterosexual. The
sexual references in their music are usually symbolic of something
greater, rather than gratuitous sex for the sake of sex, much like their
use of profanity. Take it at face value and don't worry about whether
they like guys or girls. The music still rocks one way or the other.
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Steve Ehrenberg
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http://lynx.neu.edu/home/httpd/s/sehrenbe
GBayPac <gba...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970219163...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Cecrle
aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Shane M. Brouse) wrote:
>
>This will be my final contribution on this topic.
>
>gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) wrote:
>> gay.
>
>gay? Maybe I'm gay. Does that affect my credibility?
>
>> Does anyone know if that is true
>
>If a "gay" person is homosexual, then here are the facts:
>
>1. MJK has a son
>2. JC got married (to a female) last month
>3. I met DC's (female) partner after a show in November
>4. AJ has a (female) partner
What?! Danny told me I was the only one!
I feel so cheap...
-FC
Don Carroll
Of course, if it's a rumor, then it must be true and we should all just
blindy accept it.
Don
~~See how the mighty have fallen!
~~Quick, take their wallets!!!
On 20 Feb 1997, Irene Macabante wrote:
>
> GBayPac (gba...@aol.com) writes:
> > Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
s black
>
> GBayPac <gba...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19970219135...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> > Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> > gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
Doesn't make an iota of difference to me. Who cares? It's *nobodies business*.
DesoL8
xxn...@aol.com (Xx NYL xX) wrote:
>it. Eegads ppl. I thought Tool was a bit too intelligent for morons to
>like.
>Grow up.
Unfortunately that ain't true.. seems the majority of Tool fans just
like the sound.. not necesarily what they say...
- alex
DesoL8, (ate...@huachcua-giis.army.mil)
Marc
On 20 Feb 1997 02:12:07 GMT, gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) wrote:
>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
1) You can classify this message as bait, and ya'll bit.
2) This is an AOLoser. I'm not saying all AOL'ers are losers :)
3) Simply ignore stupid shit like this. Everyone is so quick to
put in their 2¢ about such a lame post.
Wood
GBayPac wrote:
>
> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
Why? Hopin' to get some?........
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KPicara
On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Jaysun wrote:
> GBayPac wrote:
> >
> > Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> > gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
>
> So you're saying that if they WERE gay, you'd
> stop listening to them? I think you're implying
> that by putting in the 'but' up there...
>
> Jay
>
>
hmmm..... i dont want this to come out the wrong way... but don't you
think everyone is being a *little* too 'offended' by the question? this
guy didnt use any mean slang, didnt say he wouldn't like tool, he was just
asking if anyone knew if a member was gay. i totally agree that this is
none of anyone's business, and that it shouldn't change anything... but,
it would put a twist on lyric interpretations, wouldnt it? when you love a
group, you tend yo love to find out as much stuff about them as
possible...even when some of its none of your business (ex: was maynard's
child abuse neccessarily *our* business? i don't think so. but he chose to
make it our business. so its really all just a matter of opinion.
like i said...i dont care one way or the other what or who any of them
are, aren't, or sleep with any more than the next guy, but give this guy a
brea for asking an honest question!
late-night rant ended.
sarah
KPicara
oh by the way....i was assuming that this guy meant the 'but' part as
meaning they are his favorite group, but wait, a nwe fact he may not have
known about?! you see? ahh, this rant shouldv'e ended a week ago. sorry.
sarah
Jaysun
Two 20 67
>>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may >be
>>gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
>1) You can classify this message as bait, and ya'll bit.
>2) This is an AOLoser. I'm not saying all AOL'ers are losers :)
>3) Simply ignore stupid shit like this. Everyone is so quick to
> put in their 2¢ about such a lame post.
You're way, way off. The point is, there wasn't even a hint of sarcasm in the original post. This guy was serious. More importantly, all the people who "bit" had non-ignorant attitudes about homosexuality, and gave good advice about the issue. (Except mine, which was purely sarcastic). Which says something good about Tool fans, or at least the ones who replied, anyway. None of the replies were: "Aw, man, i heard that, too! i think they are fags, that bald guy's a real weirdo." You know what i mean?
jere(Aol LOSER)
Lee Michael Newvine
gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) wrote:
>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
Are you some kind of homophobe or religious fuckhead??? Who give a shit
if they are gay, straight or somewhere in between!!! Actually the lead
singer purposely had two ribs removed so that he could go down on himself
:) What does that tell ya??? Bottom line is what I just said really true
and if so who cares. You either like the music and the stage show or you
don't.
Lee
P.S. Would your life somehow differ or change, be better or worse, if you
knew for a fact that the whole band or some of them were "GAY"??? If so I
pity you :)
s black
In article
<Pine.BSI.3.95.970220...@buffnet11.buffnet.net>, KPicara
<and...@buffnet.net> wrote:
> >
>
> hmmm..... i dont want this to come out the wrong way... but don't you
> think everyone is being a *little* too 'offended' by the question? this
> guy didnt use any mean slang, didnt say he wouldn't like tool, he was just
> asking if anyone knew if a member was gay. i totally agree that this is
> none of anyone's business, and that it shouldn't change anything... but,
> it would put a twist on lyric interpretations, wouldnt it? when you love a
> group, you tend yo love to find out as much stuff about them as
> possible...even when some of its none of your business (ex: was maynard's
> child abuse neccessarily *our* business? i don't think so. but he chose to
> make it our business. so its really all just a matter of opinion.
>
> like i said...i dont care one way or the other what or who any of them
> are, aren't, or sleep with any more than the next guy, but give this guy a
> brea for asking an honest question!
>
> late-night rant ended.
>
> sarah
point taken, I'll take down the *Alert, Prejudice* antennae. But...I still
think that if any members of Tool were to say 'I'm gay' it *might*, then
become a warranted topic of discussion. Until someone does, however, I
still maintain that it's 'none of our business'. :)
blackink
Nic...@ix.netcom.com
On 20 Feb 1997 01:40:56 GMT, gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) wrote:
>Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
To all of the morons who attacked this person for posting:
Almost all of you assumed that the poster is afraid that Tool are gay,
that he does not want them to be gay. That he has no right to ask
such a question.
However, maybe the poster himself is gay. Perhaps he is wondering if
the members of Tool may have gone through the same shit that he
perhaps is going through. Maybe he is looking for a role model.
To all of you who say it does not matter, you are wrong. It does
matter. Not in the sense of whether someone should or shouldn't
listen to their music. But in trying to figure out what the group is
trying to say, it may indead make a difference if they are or are not
gay.
Asking such a question should not raise such a controversy. The
people who respond with such venom should look at their own
homophobia. A simple "yes" "no" or "some" would have been sufficient
(and then maybe some supporting facts).
This questions should be comparable to asking if they were married or
not. It is just someone wondering about the members of a group he
admires. And fans tend to want to know all they can.
Nick
rogue
Shane M. Brouse wrote:
> 1. MJK has a son
I have lots of gay friends with sons/daughters.
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GBayPac wrote:
>
> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
Tool is not a person. It therfore doesn't have a sexual preference. As
for the members, who cares? It's great music all the same.
rogue
Nice point.
Destruct
perhaps is going through. Maybe he is looking for a role model.
>
> To all of you who say it does not matter, you are wrong. It does
> matter. Not in the sense of whether someone should or shouldn't
> listen to their music. But in trying to figure out what the group is
> trying to say, it may indead make a difference if they are or are not
> gay.
>
> Asking such a question should not raise such a controversy. The
> people who respond with such venom should look at their own
> homophobia. A simple "yes" "no" or "some" would have been sufficient
> (and then maybe some supporting facts).
>
> This questions should be comparable to asking if they were married or
> not. It is just someone wondering about the members of a group he
> admires. And fans tend to want to know all they can.
>
>
Then explain why he uses the word but?
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{V}ad
I've decided to put my foot in the fire. First off, I'm suprised
noone has brought up MJK's sexual abuse. I believe that, and feel free
to correct me, all of the references to anal sex and the like stems
from MJK's experiences. The reason these images are so prevelant in
Tool's music is because Tool wants to convey their feelings towards
sexual abuse. I personally have never been sexually abused. But, I do
feel the pain and anger that derives from that situation through
Tool's music.
I get so tired of people worrying about someone's sexuality. I am
a male, and I have an extremely close female friend who is bisexual.
When I hear derrogatory staments about gays it really upsets me. I am
not gay, but I don't see how it is anyone's business if a person is
gay or not. That is, unless of course your are interested in a
relationship with that person. In that case, you ask them personally
for your own benefit.
Just to dispell any rumors, and Shane correct me if I'm wrong,
(since Shane or Kabir seem to be the only reliable sources of info)
but MJK did not have two ribs removed. I assume someone made this
story up after seeing the person 'going down' on themselves on the
Ænima CD. The model in this picture is Alana Cain-a female. If you
believe MJK had a couple of ribs removed(Youch!) so he could fellate
himself, ask yourself-Why wouldn't he pose for the picture himself?
Anyway back to the topic. There's nothing wrong with being curious
about someone's sexuality. But, what is wrong is to publicly speculate
about it. As far as I'm concerned, all of the members of Tool could be
gay and I still would love their music just as much. Bottom line is-If
someone's sexuality keeps you from knowing that person and keeps you
from sharing what they have to offer intellectually, you are missing
out on what humanity is all about.
{V}ad {V}an steps down from his soapbox.....
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"I can say what I want to...
even if I'm not serious." -Hush
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blackink
In article <33114aa0...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
Nic...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> To all of the morons who attacked this person for posting:
>
Get a grip, Nick. Just look around you. Every other ng seems to have moral
battles going on about who is and who isn't gay, or who could kick whose
ass. It's really boring.
The people who responded to that post originally had good intentions.
Their responses were not moronic. And, since gBayPac has never actually
come back and told anyone why he/she wanted to know, they have *no idea*
what his/her intentions were in posting the question...and neither do
*you*. It seems that you would rather pick fights with people who mean
well, rather than find out the truth.
blackink
D4sha
>>>MJK did not have two ribs removed.<<<
If he did, he'd have no time for the band anymore.
Would You?
peace,
D4
"It's time for the fish to think about the water."
blackink
In article <3310913d....@news.concentric.net>, {V}ad {V}a...@90.mph
({V}ad {V}an) wrote:
> Anyway back to the topic. There's nothing wrong with being curious
> about someone's sexuality. But, what is wrong is to publicly speculate
> about it. As far as I'm concerned, all of the members of Tool could be
> gay and I still would love their music just as much. Bottom line is-If
> someone's sexuality keeps you from knowing that person and keeps you
> from sharing what they have to offer intellectually, you are missing
> out on what humanity is all about.
>
> {V}ad {V}an steps down from his soapbox.....
>
Hear, Hear! Or is that Here, Here?!
blackink
nobody
{V}ad {V}a...@90.mph ({V}ad {V}an) wrote:
> Just to dispell any rumors, and Shane correct me if I'm wrong,
>(since Shane or Kabir seem to be the only reliable sources of info)
>but MJK did not have two ribs removed. I assume someone made this
>story up after seeing the person 'going down' on themselves on the
>Ćnima CD. The model in this picture is Alana Cain-a female. If you
>believe MJK had a couple of ribs removed(Youch!) so he could fellate
>himself, ask yourself-Why wouldn't he pose for the picture himself?
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"I can say what I want to...
> even if I'm not serious." -Hush
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Of course that is a rumour....I found it funny that the "2 Ribs
Removed for Self-Fellation" rumour has been used for at least two
bands: Marilyn Manson and Tool. It seems that this is an old rumour
that it being applied to several bands.
Underme00
>>>>Are you some kind of homophobe or religious fuckhead??? Who give a
shit
if they are gay, straight or somewhere in between!!! Actually the lead
singer purposely had two ribs removed so that he could go down on himself
:) What does that tell ya??? Bottom line is what I just said really true
and if so who cares. You either like the music and the stage show or you
don't.
Lee
P.S. Would your life somehow differ or change, be better or worse, if you
knew for a fact that the whole band or some of them were "GAY"??? If so I
pity you :)<<<<<<
Gee And I thought that the rib rumor was about Manson...hmmm thats weird.
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why do you care? maybe you're a homophobic douchebag like 99% of the
heterosexual public
John Jeffers
Jeff Gretz wrote:
>
> In article <19970219135...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) writes:
> >Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>
> doesn't mean anything. I use much of the same thing in my band (Sometimes
> worse) but that doesn't mean a thing. I have a girlfriend. I'm not gay.
> Sometimes it's fun to slip stuff like that in to see if people will realize it
> or not. Tool probably is using it as a metahpor for something deeper though.
>
> jeff
Why should it matter if someone or *everyone* is Tool is gay? It
doesn't change their music a fucking bit, so get over it. <insert
standard PC rant here> Thanks for your time.
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Cecrle
John Jeffers <Jo...@Jeffers.com> wrote:
>Jeff Gretz wrote:
>>
>> In article <19970219135...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, gba...@aol.com (GBayPac) writes:
>> >Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
>> >gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
>>
>> Tool does have a great deal of homoerotic imagary in their lyrics but that
>> doesn't mean anything. I use much of the same thing in my band (Sometimes
>> worse) but that doesn't mean a thing. I have a girlfriend. I'm not gay.
>> Sometimes it's fun to slip stuff like that in to see if people will realize it
>> or not.
I know that Tool has a lot of erotic/"dirty" stuff in their lyrics, but
how is it "homoerotic"? He refers to anal sex, but that doesn't have to
be homosexual.
So don't worry--Maynard's not gay. He's just a pervert. :)
-FC
(I have nothing wrong with homosexuals, so don't bother flaming me).
Reverend H. B. Rogers
GBayPac wrote:
>
> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
shitty music these days, inspires thought. It doesn't matter if they are
white, black, purple or yellow and fuck rabbits, as long as they
continue to produce great music and go on tour, they are still an a-1
band.
-reVerend
Sean L
wow, is this thread still running? It's been months. GBayPac found
himself a new boyfriend/girlfriend/life and stopped caring ages
ago....drop it already!!!
Tbone
if it doesnt matter.. why did you ask..?
Sean L <blac...@globalserve.net> wrote in article
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Brian Williams
> GBayPac wrote:
> >
> > Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> > gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
> does it really fucking matter?! they make great music which, unlike most
> shitty music these days, inspires thought. It doesn't matter if they are
> white, black, purple or yellow and fuck rabbits, as long as they
> continue to produce great music and go on tour, they are still an a-1
> band.
> -reVerend
I don't believe he said that it mattered a grea deal. Your vehement
overreaction is disturbingly paranoid.
I have also wondered if they were gay since a lot of their lyrics seem to
deal with anal sex. Further clues came when I saw them at a concert in
Milwaukee. One of the members stated that he "liked seeing all the sweaty
boys jumping around".
I don't really give a shit if they are gay. It wouldn't change the fact
that I love their music. But there is no need to chastise anyone for being
curious until they demonstrate bigotry.
You preach tolerance reVerend, but you don't practice it.
Brian Williams - Denver
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> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
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> Tool is my favorite group, but I heard that some of their members may be
> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
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> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
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> gay. Does anyone know if that is true?
