The United States government just broke Halloween.
Dumbjaw
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/22/congress.daylighttime.ap/index.html
This is this administration's idea of a partial solution to energy
conservation.
Unbelievable.
Who, in their right mind, would go trick-or-treating in the daylight?
WhitelectricWind
"Dumbjaw" <dum...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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We have to here in the city of Milwaukee.
It begins at like 10 am.. and goes till about 3pm..
"Safety reasons"
-Rosemary
Hothead Paisan
"WhitelectricWind" <rrobe...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
we were looked at as freaks last year because we didn't start toTing
until after dark. I give not a fuck what the city says, we trick or
treat at sunset.
If my kid was old enough to go alone, i might think differently, though.
--
--
Hothead
Living in a war-driven economy, we men are taught to distance ourselves from
our emotions, to control them. Emotional men don't make good soldiers.
It's difficult to suppress a supposed enemy if you're armed with an
M16 and empathy. MJK
bottom feeder
Republicans hate fun or anything that resembles such.
--
dan
Bitch, you dont need to know
especially if its not good old clean Christian fun.
Praise Jesus.
Bitch, you dont need to know
HA! the children will rejoice for an extra hour of trick-or-treating, and everyone will feel sunnier. I know
because I see the world through my pseudo benevolent vantage point. Yea god.
Boat Load of Funk
stupid. It's not the average American home that wastes energy. It's the
big industrial corporations that finance greedy politicians that waste the
most energy in producing crap we don't need to buy.
But, the more I think about it, the more I get pissed, and I'm trying to
watch my anger issues. Never will there be a solution that will please
everyone....ever. My anger is not worth it.
"Dumbjaw" <dum...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
Tommy
"Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote in message
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> I don't understand why the government thinks the American public is so
> stupid. It's not the average American home that wastes energy.
I don't know...lets find out? Try taking this quiz:
http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp
Sébastien Poitras
>stupid. It's not the average American home that wastes energy. It's the
>big industrial corporations that finance greedy politicians that waste the
>most energy in producing crap we don't need to buy.
Same thing about water. I went to LA for a month about ten years ago, and
was really shocked at how people made efforts to save water (short showers,
sea water swimming pools, etc.). People (even most of the rich people I've
met) make real efforts to save water, but people don't even consume 10 % of
tapwater in California. The rest, of course, is used by industries, mainly
the food industry for irrigation. Soft drinks are also really bad. I don't
know if it's the same for all soft drinks, but it takes 6 litres of water to
make one litre of Coke.
Sebastien
insaner
<jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote:
>I don't understand why the government thinks the American public is so
>stupid.
because they continually PROVE they are that stupid, by allowing this
type of shit to continue, through voting for these fucks.
Boat Load of Funk
Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did not
vote.
If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
"insaner" <10001...@binary.us> wrote in message
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lrn2swim
"Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote in message
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> Good call
>
> Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did
not
> vote.
>
> If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
>
sorry, but YOU not voting in the last election is as good as voting for
Bush.
can you honestly say you'd rather have Bush than Kerry??
insaner
wrote:
i can honestly say id rather have neither.
lrn2swim
>
> i can honestly say id rather have neither.
well, yeah, but you honestly can't.
insaner
wrote:
>
>>
>> i can honestly say id rather have neither.
>
>well, yeah, but you honestly can't.
>
well yeah but i honestly can.
Mark Shea
Well, yeah, but if you didn't vote, is that a particularly constructive
position to hold?
Mark Shea
lrn2swim
well, yeah, but actually YOU CANT have neither.
Bitch, you dont need to know
you like the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? turd sandwich or giant douche. the president
doesn't have any power compared to the wealthy.
Bitch, you dont need to know
If you vote you are only giving in to their bullshit.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>I don't understand why the government thinks the American public is so
>stupid.
We are stupid, and the government is also stupid. modern man has always been and always will be stupid.
stress and fear is stupid
the idea of right and wrong is stupid
differentiating pain and pleasure is stupid
caring if someone dies is stupid
pity is stupid
toil and cleanliness is stupid
the idea of perfection through rules and boundaries is stupid
I am stupid for even understanding my own stupidity.
just being, is.
just doing, is.
life just is.
WHY? WHY? WHY?
IT JUST IS.
Bitch, you dont need to know
They have no power in my domain, unless of course, I give it to them.
insaner
wrote:
>insaner wrote:
if i have an utter disregard for democracy, nationalism, patriotism,
and other forms of hegemonic poppycock, then yes.
Hothead Paisan
"Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote:
> Good call
>
> Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did not
> vote.
>
> If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
>
they would rather you didn't vote. you're playing right into their
grubby little paws. If the people who are truly dissatisfied can be
convinced that their vote is irrelevant, then that dissatisfaction is
swept under the rug. If every person who believes their vote is
worthless went to the polls, voted for the couple of local candidates
they like, and wrote in "none of the above" for the elections with no
decent categories, your vote would start to matter.
but hey, it's easier to stay home and bitch, and that way nothing ever
really changes, right?
Jimmy
"Hothead Paisan" <non...@bidness.com> wrote in message
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I'm with you here. I've never felt the "I'm just not gonna vote" option was
the best and in fact, as you pointed out, plays into their game. And sure,
it also plays into their "duality" game when you pick one idiot over the
other, but at least I'm out there exercising my right to pick.
Jimmy
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>In article <xcednTd3jfj...@midco.net>,
> "Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote:
>
>> Good call
>>
>> Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did not
>> vote.
>>
>> If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
>>
>
>
>
>they would rather you didn't vote. you're playing right into their
>grubby little paws. If the people who are truly dissatisfied can be
>convinced that their vote is irrelevant, then that dissatisfaction is
>swept under the rug. If every person who believes their vote is
>worthless went to the polls, voted for the couple of local candidates
>they like, and wrote in "none of the above" for the elections with no
>decent categories, your vote would start to matter.
>
>but hey, it's easier to stay home and bitch, and that way nothing ever
>really changes, right?
do you truly believe that if there was an insane mass movement and
people went to the polls and the majority voted for say, jello biafra,
that they would ever get close to the white house?
i think not...
insaner
many have said when you choose not to decide, you still have made a
choice.
i say when you choose to decide in a democracy, you still havent made
a choice.
these are both logically valid, in this case. it just would have to
go further down the road to be truly decided.
i say no way anyone they dont want in the office, ever will be.
who THEY are? well thats another debate.
Jimmy
But you don't KNOW.
Of course that's because, unfortunately, an insane mass movement indicates
some kind of awareness being brought to the minds of the American people.
The first thing they have to do is stop watching American Gladiators and pay
attention for that to happen. THAT'S a very likely scenerio. lol. Imagine
that, people actually paying attention to what their government is
*actually* doing.
I'm of the opinion that in that scenerio, if Jello Biafra DIDN'T get
elected, that "insane mass movement" would then march right over to the
White House and probably destroy it with their bare hands. Most people I
encounter of the American Gladiator Species are brainwashed and fooled into
thinking things by our slick spinning media, etc. They are not totally
mindless and apathetic.
Jimmy
Judy
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Do something useful until it becomes second nature and you have a feeling of
being needed, wanted, and making life better. Things won't seem so stupid.
Judy
Judy
"Jimmy" <he...@there.com> wrote in message
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everyone voted for Jello Biafra. That is worth something.
Judy
Jimmy
>
> who THEY are? well thats another debate.
I'll ask first then...who are THEY?
Jimmy
insaner
yes there definately wouldve been a SERIOUS and total, fuck-up for it
to ever get that far.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>
>Of course that's because, unfortunately, an insane mass movement indicates
>some kind of awareness being brought to the minds of the American people.
>The first thing they have to do is stop watching American Gladiators and pay
>attention for that to happen. THAT'S a very likely scenerio. lol. Imagine
>that, people actually paying attention to what their government is
>*actually* doing.
>
>I'm of the opinion that in that scenerio, if Jello Biafra DIDN'T get
>elected, that "insane mass movement" would then march right over to the
>White House and probably destroy it with their bare hands. Most people I
>encounter of the American Gladiator Species are brainwashed and fooled into
>thinking things by our slick spinning media, etc. They are not totally
>mindless and apathetic.
you are right, but congress denied a recount totally when bush stole his way into office the first time. Many
people got pissed and protested, maybe we should of went after the white house, maybe the white house thought
that we were, then boom 9/11. now we got the American gladiator species even in more fear and ready to hurt
you if you happen to resemble that fear.
>Jimmy
>
In my opinion the collective consciousness is the answer, this is just my observation of how literal I think
the collective is.
If you break a unwritten rule, yelling a funny joke in a quiet library to a friend across the way, acting
goofy with complete confidence, just acting the way you want without negativity or hate to others is a way to
change the way people perceive life and in turn they will act different, and this will radiate to others.
People judge by appearance, so dress yourself with your own artistic expression. Punks did this, but know
it has become fashionable because punks started dressing like each other eventually loosing individuality, and
hurting acceptance. Do something you like that no one else does, the more confidence and happiness you feel
in the present moment will allow you to do odder funnier things, when in the presents of strangers.(stick a
pink bow on your forehead and act like it is normal, act oblivious to it but make vague jokes about it)Their
judgment of you will change when they get an unexpected surprise of your splendor. Do not try to pretend, but
just radiate your happiness and strength of yourself reacting in the moment. this will awaken people to the
number one human need, acceptance of self.
I guess you have to be able to except your self first,and understand exactly what it is you are trying to
show. but even if you are a little more human than the guy next to you, you can at least try and lovingly
prove it. It does take bravery and the drones sometimes lash out at you even if your heart was in the right
place.Do not put up a instant defense of yourself, just smile and walk away. The thing is that if they get
somewhat emotionally involved it will change their perception of right and wrong. In turn they will not be
afraid to step over the line as well and then they may even change someone else's perception. If you live in
the moment it flows naturally, but you still have to be able to except any consequence, and you have to stand
your ground as much as you can( don't let them bring you down!)
I don't think going to extreme of violence will help unless it is pure physical defense, as in the past it
only became a hypocrisy to attack. Hippies used to blow things up, and at times riot etc.Although they did
change a lot, I believe it was through the peaceful and enjoyable things they did. Charles Manson and many
others took it too far and basically killed the whole movement. Punk learned from their mistakes, and tried to
promote individuality etc. You hear green day on the radio singing about the American idiot and that helps,
but you also have pop punk that really fucking sucks.
Many are becoming aware,in my opinion we have to except each other. We have Promote individuality and
diversity, shun toil, pity and cleanliness and show how it is ok to spit in the face of conformity by having
as much fun with life as we can in the hopes others will join us. Just do not give those that do not
understand, your pity, give them sarcasm and playfulness if you have to your discontent with them and prove to
them that you are not their nurse. Make them work to find themselves because they are the only ones that can
do it. That's at least the most logical way I have come up with to change anyone else or the world.
Bitch, you dont need to know
I cant say that I don't want exception. I can say I will not give myself up for it.
Sorry if I sounded a little angry, I am just saying that life just is a beautiful thing. when we decide what
is beautiful and what is not we tend to see more of what is not beautiful. When we just except all life as
beautiful that is all we see. The times I feel the happiest is when I go out of my way to make someone else
happy, even just thinking a good thought about something, just brings more good things, instantly. If I feel
completely like shit I do resort to anger or revenge, (to the situation not the person) it does help to change
my feelings to the brighter side. Even my rage is a beautiful thing because it is something I have to
understand,just like my depression WAS a beautiful thing, same with all of my emotions. reality just is the
way you feel, and it feels good to love yourself enough to not worry about the world and do what you must to
understand it. Maybe I go a little to far, but that's how far I need to go. This bog is easy to get lost in,
that's why you tie a rope to a tree and tie it to yourself before you go dancing on quicksand.
WhitelectricWind
Right on. It's hard in the beginning to accept that sometimes you have to
work partially on their terms if you really want results.. To be able to
have them put their gaurd down, to be able to get into their heads.. Trust
and such.
But that doesn't work for everyone. I have always said extremists have
their place too, not for me but either way...
>
> I don't think going to extreme of violence will help unless it is pure
> physical defense, as in the past it
> only became a hypocrisy to attack. Hippies used to blow things up, and at
> times riot etc.Although they did
> change a lot, I believe it was through the peaceful and enjoyable things
> they did. Charles Manson and many
> others took it too far and basically killed the whole movement. Punk
> learned from their mistakes, and tried to
> promote individuality etc. You hear green day on the radio singing about
> the American idiot and that helps,
> but you also have pop punk that really fucking sucks.
>
> Many are becoming aware,in my opinion we have to except each other. We
> have Promote individuality and
> diversity, shun toil, pity and cleanliness and show how it is ok to spit
> in the face of conformity by having
> as much fun with life as we can in the hopes others will join us. Just do
> not give those that do not
> understand, your pity, give them sarcasm and playfulness if you have to
> your discontent with them and prove to
> them that you are not their nurse. Make them work to find themselves
> because they are the only ones that can
> do it. That's at least the most logical way I have come up with to change
> anyone else or the world.
Kickass
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
so, did you vote for someone else?
Hothead Paisan
wrote:
>
> I'm with you here. I've never felt the "I'm just not gonna vote" option was
> the best and in fact, as you pointed out, plays into their game. And sure,
> it also plays into their "duality" game when you pick one idiot over the
> other, but at least I'm out there exercising my right to pick.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
And honestly, writing in a third party (or fourth party) candidate that
you know has no real chancce, can be very satisfying. sure, i knew when
i voted for nader he had no shot, but it got the attention of our local
government that he actually won my district.
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>In article <soiae1t15vcnjiith...@4ax.com>,
>he may not make it to the white house, but it would sure as fuck say
>something about the actual will of the people. and the people in charge
>would pretty much have to notice, at the very least.
and what happens when they take notice?
Hothead Paisan
bullshit. just because the candidates aren't perfect, it's still worth
voting against the one you hate most.
your line of thinking is why we have whistleass.
Hothead Paisan
"lrn2swim" <lrn2...@msn.com> wrote:
> "Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote in message
> news:xcednTd3jfj...@midco.net...
> > Good call
> >
> > Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did
> not
> > vote.
> >
> > If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
> >
>
>
> sorry, but YOU not voting in the last election is as good as voting for
> Bush.
ayup. if even 20 percent of the 'dissafected youth vote' had gotten off
their couches and to the polls, we'd have boring and intelligent rather
than evil and stupid. and seriously, that would have been great.
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> you like the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? turd sandwich or
> giant douche. the president
> doesn't have any power compared to the wealthy.
riiiight. there was really no difference at all between dumb as toast,
in the pockets of big oil shrubya, and a man who can at least use the
fuckng english language.
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>In article <op5de11ic5mq1h1ae...@4ax.com>,
>who knows? could be a catalyst for serious change, or a warnng that
>they're letting us be too free with all this voting. impossible to
>predict what will happen, but somehting will.
or they could mount a campaign to no longer educate the public to the
extent they had before, realizing the detrement to their agenda an
educated masses poses.
oh wait, thats precisely what happened say, around 1970.
see 1960's counter culture revolution.
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>In article <91m8e1dh3gser5e2o...@4ax.com>,
> insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:47:08 -0700, "lrn2swim" <lrn2...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote in message
>> >news:xcednTd3jfj...@midco.net...
>> >> Good call
>> >>
>> >> Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did
>> >not
>> >> vote.
>> >>
>> >> If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >sorry, but YOU not voting in the last election is as good as voting for
>> >Bush.
>> >
>> >can you honestly say you'd rather have Bush than Kerry??
>> >
>>
>>
>> i can honestly say id rather have neither.
>
>so, did you vote for someone else?
i do not participate in forms of government i oppose.
this bastardized version of democracy is one of those.
Hothead Paisan
he may not make it to the white house, but it would sure as fuck say
something about the actual will of the people. and the people in charge
would pretty much have to notice, at the very least.
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
who knows? could be a catalyst for serious change, or a warnng that
they're letting us be too free with all this voting. impossible to
predict what will happen, but somehting will.
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>In article <vc69e11r0m3u2llr0...@4ax.com>,
> "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> you like the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? turd sandwich or
>> giant douche. the president
>> doesn't have any power compared to the wealthy.
>
>riiiight. there was really no difference at all between dumb as toast,
>in the pockets of big oil shrubya, and a man who can at least use the
>fuckng english language.
there is a big difference.
one brings to a head the mass mornic outlook that our government is a
facade for facism, and the other wouldve kept the idiots at bay.
im just hoping it gets way worse, so folks will finally understand.
so in that sense, im glad bush won.
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:06:55 -0500, Hothead Paisan
> <non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <op5de11ic5mq1h1ae...@4ax.com>,
> > insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:43:35 -0500, Hothead Paisan
> >> <non...@bidness.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >he may not make it to the white house, but it would sure as fuck say
> >> >something about the actual will of the people. and the people in charge
> >> >would pretty much have to notice, at the very least.
> >>
> >>
> >> and what happens when they take notice?
> >
> >who knows? could be a catalyst for serious change, or a warnng that
> >they're letting us be too free with all this voting. impossible to
> >predict what will happen, but somehting will.
>
>
> or they could mount a campaign to no longer educate the public to the
> extent they had before, realizing the detrement to their agenda an
> educated masses poses.
>
> oh wait, thats precisely what happened say, around 1970.
>
>
> see 1960's counter culture revolution.
still, it'd be a change, right? and at this point, we've gotten very
used to being informed, and taking our education in our own hands. if
they tried what you suggest, it may in fact spark a revolution, as i
don't think people would sit back for it again.
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
no the point is, they did it in the MIDDLE of a revolution.
they damn sure arent gonna get our apathetic asses mobile by making
public education worse. i dare say thats impossible anyways.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>In article <vc69e11r0m3u2llr0...@4ax.com>,
> "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> you like the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? turd sandwich or
>> giant douche. the president
>> doesn't have any power compared to the wealthy.
>
>riiiight. there was really no difference at all between dumb as toast,
>in the pockets of big oil shrubya, and a man who can at least use the
>fuckng english language.
fuck the English language. I overstand its moronic misuse. freedom isn't free is fucking stupid lie.Their are
so many of these kinds of lies everywhere you go in our lie based language.
Bitch, you dont need to know
shit i was going to say that yesterday.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>In article <C56dnUbczor...@comcast.com>,
> "lrn2swim" <lrn2...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> "Boat Load of Funk" <jerry...@rap.midco.net> wrote in message
>> news:xcednTd3jfj...@midco.net...
>> > Good call
>> >
>> > Just like the last presidential election. I am proud to say that I did
>> not
>> > vote.
>> >
>> > If my vote is so important, give me somebody worth voting for.
>> >
>>
>>
>> sorry, but YOU not voting in the last election is as good as voting for
>> Bush.
>
>
>ayup. if even 20 percent of the 'dissafected youth vote' had gotten off
>their couches and to the polls, we'd have boring and intelligent rather
>than evil and stupid. and seriously, that would have been great.
you reminded me of a bad religion song.
"I don't want it, the things their offering me.
civilized, barcode, quick I.D. oh ya.
I cant explain it, the things YOUR saying to me.
its going YAYAYAYAYA oh ya.
because I am a twenty first century digital boy I don't know how to live but I got a lot of toys.
my daddy is a lazy middle class intellectual, my mommy's on valium so ineffectual.
a life of mystery ya."
A middle class intellectual is a Christian by the way, and valium is a muscle relaxer just in case you didn't
know
Bitch, you dont need to know
>In article <op5de11ic5mq1h1ae...@4ax.com>,
> insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:43:35 -0500, Hothead Paisan
>> <non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >he may not make it to the white house, but it would sure as fuck say
>> >something about the actual will of the people. and the people in charge
>> >would pretty much have to notice, at the very least.
>>
>>
>> and what happens when they take notice?
>
>who knows? could be a catalyst for serious change, or a warnng that
>they're letting us be too free with all this voting. impossible to
>predict what will happen, but somehting will.
Ha! That's why nothing happened after bush stole his way into office, the first time. People had their little
protest and that was it. You didn't hear anything about it except from a few sources. Like I said before I
think they let 9/11 happen just to get people to forget about how fucked up everything is, and to get them
back in fear so they can be more easily controlled.
You think we are free? here is the truth, I am not trying to insult you, but if you think we are free you
are a hypnotized slave or you are rich. Or you are still to young to know what it is like to try to live on
your own, to be broke as fuck, and working your life away so that you can sleep in a warm bed. all the while
all your money goes to inflated bills,taxes,and you are still not allowed to act the way want. This does not
apply to all people in the middle class of course, but it does apply to a most. Capitalist democracy is the
best form of slavery ever conceived, voting means nothing, you hear me NOTHING. Do not be lied to and deceived
like so many others, brainwashed, lifeless zombies. The point is not about voting, the point is that the
totalitarian government is a pawn of big business. The media is also one of their tools, and so is the lie of
the American dream. The middle class does not even know the difference between love and hate, does not
understand what life should be very much at all. This way of living is fucking void of meaning.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is proving he didn't exist.
You are the one that is free, no one gave you that freedom it is your god given right as a human being. If you
deny this and if you give in to lies, your life will be theirs, and you will be in hell. Think for yourself,
question authority.
The human race is a plague a virus of this planet, and we are the cure.
Bitch, you dont need to know
the best way to revolt is to become who you truly are, becoming the god that you are. The education that you
need for this will come if you want it to. You have to want it like a drowning man wants air.
insaner
> You think we are free? here is the truth, I am not trying to insult you, but if you think we are free you
>are a hypnotized slave or you are rich. Or you are still to young to know what it is like to try to live on
>your own, to be broke as fuck, and working your life away so that you can sleep in a warm bed. all the while
>all your money goes to inflated bills,taxes,and you are still not allowed to act the way want. This does not
>apply to all people in the middle class of course, but it does apply to a most. Capitalist democracy is the
>best form of slavery ever conceived, voting means nothing, you hear me NOTHING. Do not be lied to and deceived
>like so many others, brainwashed, lifeless zombies. The point is not about voting, the point is that the
>totalitarian government is a pawn of big business. The media is also one of their tools, and so is the lie of
>the American dream. The middle class does not even know the difference between love and hate, does not
>understand what life should be very much at all. This way of living is fucking void of meaning.
i dont know her that well, but i think i know enough about her life to
have had a nice laugh at this one.
im guessing youre in for it here...
Judy
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9a3ee1t68preg41b6...@4ax.com...
Wow, we like the same song. :)
Valium was widely over prescribed for bored housewives in the sixties. It
was mostly used as a sedative and for anxiety.
I don't see how this song describes what would happen if people got
political; or anything about Hothead Paisan at all. She rocks.
Judy
HTW
> The human race is a plague a virus of this planet, and we are the cure.
oh dear.
Mark Shea
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:41:26 +0800, Mark Shea <zad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Well, yeah, but if you didn't vote, is that a particularly constructive
>>position to hold?
>
> If you vote you are only giving in to their bullshit.
....
Because, like, NOT participating in government and whining about it is
totally constructive.
I'm as critical as anyone of the godforsaken method of 'BUY YOUR WAY TO
THE PRESIDENCY' that seems to be practiced in most of the nations across
the Pacific, but if you want to take the famous 'I fully understand the
situation, but what can I do?' position, you could have the decency to
say it with a bit less vigour.
Would you care to comment on the extent to which the electorate's apathy
has affected administration in your country?
Mark Shea
Mark Shea
> do you truly believe that if there was an insane mass movement and
> people went to the polls and the majority voted for say, jello biafra,
> that they would ever get close to the white house?
>
> i think not...
The problem with the US system, IMO, boils down to two unpleasant facts:
1) Not enough people vote. I'm going to cry next time someone says
compulsory voting is 'undemocratic'...I mean, it's not as if the system
is any more democratic if *less people vote*. It depends on whether you
view democracy as a worthwhile goal in and of itself, I suppose.
2) You elect a King every four years. There's only one of him. The
second placed guy - despite nearly as many votes - gets nothing. The
third placed guy (or woman, because you might get a female candidate
placed about third) gets a kick in the teeth. And the winner gets more
or less total power of whatever he likes unless the Senate and the House
of Reps and the Courts are all opposed to him.
Those two things, IMO, eradicate the possibility of an administration
being responsible to the people they govern.
Mark Shea
Mark Shea
> The human race is a plague a virus of this planet, and we are the cure.
You lose points for quoting _the Matrix_, lose more for misquoting it,
and gain them for picking out Hugo Weaving to quote.
1) Humanity is not a virus. We're all mammals. For confirmation, examine
the front of a mother's chest.
2) Who's we?
3) I assume you're vaguely discussing the prospect of eating ourselves
out of house and home and all life ending. Rubbish. All reasonably
successful species go through this process. For example, large, young,
expanding populations are ideal homes for pathogens. There's nothing in
it for a pathogen to kill you off, really - you'll stop spreading it.
Killing you is typically a side effect from its multiplication. Lots of
people, though, means lots of possibilities for spreading, so it can
afford to be more pathogenic. Hence killing more people. Hence reducing
the population, hence making it maladaptive to kill people. This is just
one example. Don't worry about us destroying everything. We couldn't do
it if we tried. We will get knocked back by a few billion, though,
probably.
Mark Shea
Bitch, you dont need to know
the totalitarian father and the ineffectual mother seem like a metaphor about our society. You are told what
to do, but you get no emotional satisfaction in return. Many are raised this way as well.
>Wow, we like the same song. :)
>
I love bad religion.
>Valium was widely over prescribed for bored housewives in the sixties. It
>was mostly used as a sedative and for anxiety.
I know I had to look it up to spell it. most kinds of pain killers and muscle relaxes all do the same thing.
>I don't see how this song describes what would happen if people got
>political; or anything about Hothead Paisan at all. She rocks.
>Judy
>
saying how I should vote is like saying Jesus loves me it goes yayayayaya because I have heard it all before.
It is considered a good thing by stupid people but I regard it as pointless, I also perceive people that
believe in the system to be either brainwashed or benefiting from it somehow.
I hate American culture, it is void of meaning or life, its just about money and we stress and toil more than
any other country.voting in dependant would just make them do things to try and deceive you if they considered
it a problem. politics to me is pointless because I am a anarchist and an antichrist, I observe government
institutions as nothing but red tape and paper work. Most government funded institutions have so many stupid
rules it makes you go crazy, plus all our state or federal workers do half assed lousy work and don't deserve
the high pay and benefits. It is ridiculous, and people out their trying to find some meaning trying to have
fun get thrown in jails and harassed by the system. Forced into rehab when it is this same mentality that made
me rebel in the first place.
Here is an example of how fucking stupid America is. Japan had a harder work ethic than us back in the day, so
americans increased out put by like five times of what they were doing. I get the brunt of this because I have
to work real hard to keep up with inflation. laws about how I have to have insurance on my car etc. Back in
the day you could drive around drunk with no insurance and no one cared. I have to pay extremely high rates
just because I am a young male. I live in a place were minimum wage is still $ 5.45 an hour (I make $7.15), I
still have to pay the same amount as the kid in California making like $12.00 an hour working at McDonalds.
Its fucking bullshit laws and bullshit ignorance that pisses me off. Fuck America, americans are taught to
hate from a young age, we pollute more than anyone else, and we spend tons of money on bombs when people that
we robbed to make the money to have the bombs suffer while we invade to other country. I hope terrorists blow
our shit up.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>Bitch, you dont need to know wrote:
>
>> The human race is a plague a virus of this planet, and we are the cure.
>
>You lose points for quoting _the Matrix_, lose more for misquoting it,
>and gain them for picking out Hugo Weaving to quote.
>1) Humanity is not a virus. We're all mammals. For confirmation, examine
>the front of a mother's chest.
>
>2) Who's we?
modern man.
>3) I assume you're vaguely discussing the prospect of eating ourselves
>out of house and home and all life ending. Rubbish. All reasonably
>successful species go through this process. For example, large, young,
>expanding populations are ideal homes for pathogens. There's nothing in
>it for a pathogen to kill you off, really - you'll stop spreading it.
>Killing you is typically a side effect from its multiplication. Lots of
>people, though, means lots of possibilities for spreading, so it can
>afford to be more pathogenic. Hence killing more people. Hence reducing
>the population, hence making it maladaptive to kill people. This is just
>one example. Don't worry about us destroying everything. We couldn't do
>it if we tried. We will get knocked back by a few billion, though,
>probably.
>
>Mark Shea
its just an observation for those who have not considered it. I realize it may be something the human race
needs to go through etc. Although the main point I guess I would like to express is the fact we are not
individuals living for yourself, but we are sheep herding together for protection. In our confinement we are
miserable. we have a human herd that steals from the strong for the needs of the weak. Not to be mistaken for
a righteous accusation. I will say having no pity for the weak it gives you some strength back. their are many
things you can do to be better than the system, you can over come it and have the life you want, you just
can't believe there lies and you have to find your own answers. The system is actually stupid, and if you are
somewhat smart you can find ways to steal from it and not get caught. Shit you can even get good at
communication skills and people will give you what ever you want, they are that out of touch.
Bitch, you dont need to know
Politicians and that shit has no power over you unless you let it. That is what i was trying to say, but most
don't seem to understand that. Fuck em we are all going to die anyway might as well have some fun they cant do
anything to you if you don't think what you are doing is wrong.
drax
It used to be that the runner up became president. Before political parties
began nominating candidates.
drax
drax
Ummm make that "the runner up became vice-president."
insaner
wrote:
i would elaborate, but i just dont care.
:)
lrn2swim
>
> Politicians and that shit has no power over you unless you let it.
that is really an insane point of view. oh, and you are wrong.
lrn2swim
>
> Here is an example of how fucking stupid America is. Japan had a harder
work ethic than us back in the day, so
> americans increased out put by like five times of what they were doing. I
get the brunt of this because I have
> to work real hard to keep up with inflation. laws about how I have to
have insurance on my car etc. Back in
> the day you could drive around drunk with no insurance and no one cared. I
have to pay extremely high rates
> just because I am a young male. I live in a place were minimum wage is
still $ 5.45 an hour (I make $7.15), I
> still have to pay the same amount as the kid in California making like
$12.00 an hour working at McDonalds.
> Its fucking bullshit laws and bullshit ignorance that pisses me off. Fuck
America, americans are taught to
> hate from a young age, we pollute more than anyone else, and we spend tons
of money on bombs when people that
> we robbed to make the money to have the bombs suffer while we invade to
other country. I hope terrorists blow
> our shit up.
>
well, that paragraph explained everything. you are a dumbass little kid
who's pissed off at his parents and the world and complains about everything
because he doesnt have the balls to actually do anything about his
situation.
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
> > You think we are free?
relatively, yes. weren't you just saying in another post that the reason
politics is irrelevnt is that we all are responsible for our own freedom?
>here is the truth, I am not trying to insult you,
> > but if you think we are free you
I never said shit about freedom in general. i said that it was possible
the government would decide they had allowed us too much freedom with
being able to write in candidates, potentially votng for people they
hadn't sanctioned.
> >are a hypnotized slave or you are rich. Or you are still to young to know
> >what it is like to try to live on
> >your own, to be broke as fuck, and working your life away so that you can
> >sleep in a warm bed. all the while
> >all your money goes to inflated bills,taxes,and you are still not allowed to
> >act the way want.
BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH! yup. that's it! I'm a young, rich, hypnotized
slave. Guess what, i work to support myself, (to some extent) am broke
as fuck, although apparently we're sneaking into lower middle class
finally, and still can act how i want.
I love the way people make huge assumptions about what my life must be
like based on my opinions.
>This does not
> >apply to all people in the middle class of course, but it does apply to a
> >most. Capitalist democracy is the
> >best form of slavery ever conceived, voting means nothing, you hear me
> >NOTHING.
Tell that to the women who were jailed, beaten and went on starvation
strikes to get me the right to vote. Voting may not be much, but it is
one of the only voices one has within the democratic system. and sure,
just because of population, the single vote makes little diference in
the national scale, but on local elections, where shit really affects
people, each vote counts.
>Do not be lied to and deceived
> >like so many others, brainwashed, lifeless zombies. The point is not about
> >voting, the point is that the
> >totalitarian government is a pawn of big business. The media is also one of
> >their tools, and so is the lie of
> >the American dream.
sure, business owns most of the politicians. but if you do your
research, you can usually find candidates who are sincerely out for
change.
>The middle class does not even know the difference
> >between love and hate, does not
> >understand what life should be very much at all. This way of living is
> >fucking void of meaning.
>
more gross generalizations about huge classes of people and what they
know or don't know? how can either you or s/m ever learn anything about
anyone if you know everything alrady?
>
> i dont know her that well, but i think i know enough about her life to
> have had a nice laugh at this one.
>
> im guessing youre in for it here...
i wish i had more time right now. i have to get to the playground.
Hothead Paisan
yes. indvidual revolt is fine. however, for there to be social change,
that revolt has to spread.
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> A middle class intellectual is a Christian by the way, and valium is a muscle
> relaxer just in case you didn't
> know
so, wait. are all christianms middle class intellectuals, or are all
middle class intellectuals christians?
and is it christian bashing season again already?
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:50:55 -0500, Hothead Paisan <non...@bidness.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <vc69e11r0m3u2llr0...@4ax.com>,
> > "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> you like the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? turd sandwich
> >> or
> >> giant douche. the president
> >> doesn't have any power compared to the wealthy.
> >
> >riiiight. there was really no difference at all between dumb as toast,
> >in the pockets of big oil shrubya, and a man who can at least use the
> >fuckng english language.
>
>
> fuck the English language. I overstand its moronic misuse. freedom isn't free
> is fucking stupid lie.Their are
> so many of these kinds of lies everywhere you go in our lie based language.
huh? all I'm saying is i'd rather have a leader who can speak clearly.
who is at least as coherent as my kid.
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Politicians and that shit has no power over you unless you let it.
unless they jail you. it's the politicians that make the laws,
sweetheart.
> That is
> what i was trying to say, but most
> don't seem to understand that. Fuck em we are all going to die anyway might
> as well have some fun they cant do
> anything to you if you don't think what you are doing is wrong.
tell that to 30 million folks in jail for drug offenses.
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't see how this song describes what would happen if people got
> >political; or anything about Hothead Paisan at all. She rocks.
> >Judy
> >
> saying how I should vote is like saying Jesus loves me it goes yayayayaya
> because I have heard it all before.
> It is considered a good thing by stupid people but I regard it as pointless,
> I also perceive people that
> believe in the system to be either brainwashed or benefiting from it somehow.
>
It's not that i believe in the system as a whole. i think it's fully
fucked up in so many ways.
but i think believing that your vote doesn't matter is one of the most
powerful ways they have kept people from being heard. Voting is not
the be all answer, but it's the least you can do to try to be heard.
What's best, is to vote for local officials who give a shit, and then
communicate with them about what issues you care about. That's why i do
voter registration work with women in poor neighborhoods, and campaign
for candidtaes i believe in.
I'm sorry you don't believe that, and i'm sorry you think that only
stupid people think differntly from yourself. that must make it hard to
have intersting conversations. And FTR, i am not benefitting from the
system. I'm right here getting fucked by the system, much of the time.
Well, in some ways. but, I'm trying to change the system by electing
progressive, honest local politicians, who listen to people.
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
>
> no the point is, they did it in the MIDDLE of a revolution.
>
> they damn sure arent gonna get our apathetic asses mobile by making
> public education worse. i dare say thats impossible anyways.
>
>
actually, they might. it'd take a while though. they keep making public
education worse, and more people take their kids out of public schools.
The people who can't afford to send their kids to private schools or
homeschool, will be stuck with public schools. the rift between
rich/educated and poor/uneducated gets even bigger, and you have the
base for a class uprising.
not that that's what i'm hoping for.
Bitch, you dont need to know
I don't think people are stupid, they are just doing what they think is right. Human nature is to do what
you think is right. Your right in the sense of local officials maybe trying to help, but they also have their
own agenda as well. If you were to change anything it would be very little. Voting is fine vote if you want to
show how you feel that is fine. I just believe if you can change the opinions of those around you it would
cause more change. Look at the feminist movement in the sixties, that changed a lot of how society views
women.
Bitch, you dont need to know
No people are not stupid, most know what I have just stated. They just think there is nothing they can do. Or
they are completely oblivious and actually think that this is what life is supposed to be.
Yes I am a pissed off little kid, as far as not doing anything about my situation you are mistaken. Already
have, am and will continue to change my present situation.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>In article <9a3ee1t68preg41b6...@4ax.com>,
> "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A middle class intellectual is a Christian by the way, and valium is a muscle
>> relaxer just in case you didn't
>> know
>
>
>so, wait. are all christianms middle class intellectuals, or are all
>middle class intellectuals christians?
>
>and is it christian bashing season again already?
Middle class weather they are christian are not still believe in the same morals. Its the need to protect
the herd.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>In article <pn7ee1l63qsc69ih6...@4ax.com>,
> "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:15:49 -0500, Hothead Paisan <non...@bidness.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >still, it'd be a change, right? and at this point, we've gotten very
>> >used to being informed, and taking our education in our own hands. if
>> >they tried what you suggest, it may in fact spark a revolution, as i
>> >don't think people would sit back for it again.
>>
>>
>> the best way to revolt is to become who you truly are, becoming the god
>> that you are. The education that you
>> need for this will come if you want it to. You have to want it like a
>> drowning man wants air.
>
>
>
>yes. indvidual revolt is fine. however, for there to be social change,
>that revolt has to spread.
I just believe if you can change others will notice and change as well. I think you have to break some
mentally barriers though.
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:07:23 -0500, Hothead Paisan <non...@bidness.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <9a3ee1t68preg41b6...@4ax.com>,
> > "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> A middle class intellectual is a Christian by the way, and valium is a
> >> muscle
> >> relaxer just in case you didn't
> >> know
> >
> >
> >so, wait. are all christianms middle class intellectuals, or are all
> >middle class intellectuals christians?
> >
> >and is it christian bashing season again already?
>
>
> Middle class weather they are christian are not still believe in the same
> morals. Its the need to protect
> the herd.
so once i start making a little more money, i will have the same morals
as the christians next door?
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think people are stupid,
um. > It is considered a good thing by stupid people
you said that. about voting.
>they are just doing what they think is
> right. Human nature is to do what
> you think is right. Your right in the sense of local officials maybe trying
> to help, but they also have their
> own agenda as well. If you were to change anything it would be very little.
and what are you changing by not voting?
>
> Voting is fine vote if you want to
> show how you feel that is fine. I just believe if you can change the opinions
> of those around you it would
> cause more change.
Well, sure. educating people is great. but politics still plays into it,
because, well, people who are busy struggling to survive because the
social safety net dropped them, because the people who got voted in
gutted the budget, don't have the luxury of sitting around raising their
consciousness. So, by voting in people who are, say, trying to help the
poor, or at least opposing starving the poor, you enable the poor to
stop struggling quite so hard and perhaps have the liesure to raise
their consciousness.
>Look at the feminist movement in the sixties, that changed
> a lot of how society views
> women.
yeah. and the feminists voted, too. I'm not saying just voting is
enough.
oh, and be careful bringing up the feminists in here. i always get in
trouble for that.
Bitch, you dont need to know
>In article <8k9ee1988sm4crpvu...@4ax.com>,
> insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
>> > You think we are free?
>
>relatively, yes. weren't you just saying in another post that the reason
>politics is irrelevnt is that we all are responsible for our own freedom?
I was stating know matter where you are born you are free to see the world the way you want You are free to
choose thoughts and overcome what ever may be your challenge. America is only as free as we let it be, it is
our present state so I must learn how to adapt to it.
>>here is the truth, I am not trying to insult you,
>> > but if you think we are free you
>
>I never said shit about freedom in general. i said that it was possible
>the government would decide they had allowed us too much freedom with
>being able to write in candidates, potentially votng for people they
>hadn't sanctioned.
>
>> >are a hypnotized slave or you are rich. Or you are still to young to know
>> >what it is like to try to live on
>> >your own, to be broke as fuck, and working your life away so that you can
>> >sleep in a warm bed. all the while
>> >all your money goes to inflated bills,taxes,and you are still not allowed to
>> >act the way want.
>
>
>BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH! yup. that's it! I'm a young, rich, hypnotized
>slave. Guess what, i work to support myself, (to some extent) am broke
>as fuck, although apparently we're sneaking into lower middle class
>finally, and still can act how i want.
yes everyone is different and all that but that is just obvious. Also I doubt you act the way you truly want
to act, I could be wrong but you may not even know who you truly are.
>I love the way people make huge assumptions about what my life must be
>like based on my opinions.
>
>
you may be hypnotized. I know I am in certain aspects but at least I try and recognize it.
>
>
>>This does not
>> >apply to all people in the middle class of course, but it does apply to a
>> >most. Capitalist democracy is the
>> >best form of slavery ever conceived, voting means nothing, you hear me
>> >NOTHING.
>
>
>Tell that to the women who were jailed, beaten and went on starvation
>strikes to get me the right to vote. Voting may not be much, but it is
>one of the only voices one has within the democratic system. and sure,
>just because of population, the single vote makes little diference in
>the national scale, but on local elections, where shit really affects
>people, each vote counts.
>
>>Do not be lied to and deceived
>> >like so many others, brainwashed, lifeless zombies. The point is not about
>> >voting, the point is that the
>> >totalitarian government is a pawn of big business. The media is also one of
>> >their tools, and so is the lie of
>> >the American dream.
>
>
>sure, business owns most of the politicians. but if you do your
>research, you can usually find candidates who are sincerely out for
>change.
>
just like the one governor who wants medical marihuana and is kind of fighting for it. The sad thing is
congress voted against it. until the masses agree that it is an ok drug, you will never see it legal.
>>The middle class does not even know the difference
>> >between love and hate, does not
>> >understand what life should be very much at all. This way of living is
>> >fucking void of meaning.
>>
>
>
>more gross generalizations about huge classes of people and what they
>know or don't know? how can either you or s/m ever learn anything about
>anyone if you know everything alrady?
Well that's why I wrote it so I can get other input, its hard to sit there and write every single little
aspect. Also I work somewhere were I get to see a lot of people, I know how a lot of people seem to think. I
say things to get a reaction from them all the time, stating general observations. Majority are idiots, many
are some what conscious, and a few are beyond it.
>> i dont know her that well, but i think i know enough about her life to
>> have had a nice laugh at this one.
>>
>> im guessing youre in for it here...
>
>i wish i had more time right now. i have to get to the playground.
check out the greeting cards on this page.
if I knew you I would let you borrow this book. I read "to lie is human, to not get caught is divine" totally
changed my outlook, and my life. "The psychopaths bible" and "energized hypnosis" are on my top priority list.
There is a ton of good books on this page that would be worth checking out.
Hothead Paisan
"Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:05:25 -0500, Hothead Paisan <non...@bidness.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <8k9ee1988sm4crpvu...@4ax.com>,
> > insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
> >
> >> > You think we are free?
> >
> >relatively, yes. weren't you just saying in another post that the reason
> >politics is irrelevnt is that we all are responsible for our own freedom?
>
> I was stating know matter where you are born you are free to see the world
> the way you want You are free to
> choose thoughts and overcome what ever may be your challenge. America is only
> as free as we let it be, it is
> our present state so I must learn how to adapt to it.
well, sure.
>
> >
> >
> >BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH! yup. that's it! I'm a young, rich, hypnotized
> >slave. Guess what, i work to support myself, (to some extent) am broke
> >as fuck, although apparently we're sneaking into lower middle class
> >finally, and still can act how i want.
>
> yes everyone is different and all that but that is just obvious. Also I doubt
> you act the way you truly want
> to act,
why would you think that? who is stopping me from actng how i want to
act? other than my kid, who won't let me go out drinking til 4 am
because someone has to watch him. and it's not acting. i am just what i
choose to be.
> I could be wrong but you may not even know who you truly are.
you could, in fact, be wrong. I'm pretty good with who i am. I can't
imagine why you would assume otherwise. I know me.
>
> >I love the way people make huge assumptions about what my life must be
> >like based on my opinions.
> >
> >
> you may be hypnotized. I know I am in certain aspects but at least I try and
> recognize it.
I don't know. i opted out of the consumer culture so long ago, and went
through a lot of, well, interesting stuff. I've worked through as much
of the bullshit i had been fed by this culture as i could root out,
quite some time ago.
> >
> >
> >>This does not
> >> >apply to all people in the middle class of course, but it does apply to a
> >> >most. Capitalist democracy is the
> >> >best form of slavery ever conceived, voting means nothing, you hear me
> >> >NOTHING.
> >
> >
> >Tell that to the women who were jailed, beaten and went on starvation
> >strikes to get me the right to vote. Voting may not be much, but it is
> >one of the only voices one has within the democratic system. and sure,
> >just because of population, the single vote makes little diference in
> >the national scale, but on local elections, where shit really affects
> >people, each vote counts.
> >
> >
> >sure, business owns most of the politicians. but if you do your
> >research, you can usually find candidates who are sincerely out for
> >change.
> >
> just like the one governor who wants medical marihuana and is kind of
> fighting for it. The sad thing is
> congress voted against it. until the masses agree that it is an ok drug, you
> will never see it legal.
actually, the 'masses' already know that. big business, in the form of
alcohol and tobacco are the roadblock there.
>
> >
> >more gross generalizations about huge classes of people and what they
> >know or don't know? how can either you or s/m ever learn anything about
> >anyone if you know everything alrady?
> Well that's why I wrote it so I can get other input, its hard to sit there
> and write every single little
> aspect. Also I work somewhere were I get to see a lot of people, I know how a
> lot of people seem to think.
you said you work at a gas station. you're interacting with thee people
for 2 minutes. 5 tops, and you now how their head works?
>I
> say things to get a reaction from them all the time, stating general
> observations. Majority are idiots, many
> are some what conscious, and a few are beyond it.
how do you know them well enough to say that? maybe they had a bad day?
maybe they don't like making small talk with the guy at the station?
> >
> >i wish i had more time right now. i have to get to the playground.
>
>
> http://www.drhyatt.net/
>
> check out the greeting cards on this page.
>
> if I knew you I would let you borrow this book. I read "to lie is human, to
> not get caught is divine" totally
> changed my outlook, and my life. "The psychopaths bible" and "energized
> hypnosis" are on my top priority list.
> There is a ton of good books on this page that would be worth checking out.
it looks pretty interesting, anyway. i don't see anything i disagree
with right off. however, i barely have time to do any reading lately,
and am at a point, honestly, where I'm learning more from my connection
to the universe than from books.
Judy
"Hothead Paisan" <non...@bidness.com> wrote in message
news:noneya-2BA3E4....@news.charter.net...
> In article <36ege11kltg1go9lb...@4ax.com>,
> "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:07:23 -0500, Hothead Paisan <non...@bidness.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9a3ee1t68preg41b6...@4ax.com>,
>> > "Bitch, you dont need to know" <bl...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A middle class intellectual is a Christian by the way, and valium is a
>> >> muscle
>> >> relaxer just in case you didn't
>> >> know
>> >
>> >
>> >so, wait. are all christianms middle class intellectuals, or are all
>> >middle class intellectuals christians?
>> >
>> >and is it christian bashing season again already?
>>
>>
>> Middle class weather they are christian are not still believe in the
>> same
>> morals. Its the need to protect
>> the herd.
>
> so once i start making a little more money, i will have the same morals
> as the christians next door?
> --
I had the same morals all along. You will be okay.
Judy
Judy
Like I said, You rock.
Judy
Mark Shea
> drax wrote:
>>Mark Shea wrote:
>>>2) You elect a King every four years. There's only one of him. The
>>>second placed guy - despite nearly as many votes - gets nothing. The
>>>third placed guy (or woman, because you might get a female candidate
>>>placed about third) gets a kick in the teeth. And the winner gets
>>>more or less total power of whatever he likes unless the Senate and
>>>the House of Reps and the Courts are all opposed to him.
>>>
>>>Those two things, IMO, eradicate the possibility of an administration
>>>being responsible to the people they govern.
>>
>>It used to be that the runner up became president. Before political
>>parties began nominating candidates.
>
> Ummm make that "the runner up became vice-president."
I'd guess that changing something that significant would have required a
change to the constitution. Which *should* require some sort of
referendum. There are plenty of non-insane systems around the world
where two parties dominate. I still think the problems are systemic, not
political.
Mark Shea
Mark Shea
> oh, and be careful bringing up the feminists in here. i always get in
> trouble for that.
Damn straight. I'm sick of being told words such as 'foreman' are
'sexist', or even 'gendered'. And that's *totally* your personal fault.
Mark Shea
(Who's now considering career in hyperbole.)
Mark Shea
> so, wait. are all christianms middle class intellectuals, or are all
> middle class intellectuals christians?
>
> and is it christian bashing season again already?
Well, it was Christmas in July just the other day. All that imagery
stirs up those who think they understand imagery.
Mark Shea
Jimmy
>
>i don't see anything i disagree
> with right off. however, i barely have time to do any reading lately,
> and am at a point, honestly, where I'm learning more from my connection
> to the universe than from books.
An amen to that. Not that books don't have their place, but yes to what you
said.
Jimmy
Hothead Paisan
wrote:
> "Hothead Paisan" <non...@bidness.com> wrote in message
>
> > so once i start making a little more money, i will have the same morals
> > as the christians next door?
> > --
> I have been everywhere from extreem poverty to uppermiddle class and back.
> I had the same morals all along. You will be okay.
> Judy
>
>
whew, i was worried. i've nly gone from extreme poverty to moderate
poverty. I was afraid that now that we got ahead a little, i'd become a
brainwashed christian zombie.
"christian zombie vampiyahs!!"
Hothead Paisan
Mark Shea <zad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
that's vuz you're a big ol sexist pig, darlin!
G-Ride
news:36ege11kltg1go9lb...@4ax.com...
Let me wade in here for a moment just to say that that's a pretty big brush
you're painting with. Do they hand out a morals handbook for everyone in
the middle class? And what exactly constitutes the middle class in the US
these days?
And also since I'm here, it's *whether*.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga."
- Dalai Llama
Hothead Paisan
wrote:
>
> Like I said, You rock.
> Judy
>
>
thanks judy. you too, you know, i'm glad you're still around. how's the
grandkids eddycatin going?.
Hothead Paisan
wrote:
I want to make it cleqar that I'm not saying theres nothing left for me
to learn from books, but well, the best of those types of books teach
you how to keep learning beyond the books, kwim?
insaner
wrote:
not so sure of this retort either...
handing out morals books supposes that once you become middle class,
your moral change.
another pov is that all those with similar morals will eventually
reach the middle class, save a few failures.
but the actual question, as i see it, is "Does the middle class
possess a certain moral structure, and can we study it?"
id say, yes it does, and yes we can.
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
> not so sure of this retort either...
>
> handing out morals books supposes that once you become middle class,
> your moral change.
>
> another pov is that all those with similar morals will eventually
> reach the middle class, save a few failures.
>
> but the actual question, as i see it, is "Does the middle class
> possess a certain moral structure, and can we study it?"
>
> id say, yes it does, and yes we can.
but how do you define middle class? isn't it just everyone between
poverty and wealth?
insaner
<non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>In article <60aie1hm8ue8pndaa...@4ax.com>,
> insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
>>
>> not so sure of this retort either...
>>
>> handing out morals books supposes that once you become middle class,
>> your moral change.
>>
>> another pov is that all those with similar morals will eventually
>> reach the middle class, save a few failures.
>>
>> but the actual question, as i see it, is "Does the middle class
>> possess a certain moral structure, and can we study it?"
>>
>> id say, yes it does, and yes we can.
>
>
>but how do you define middle class? isn't it just everyone between
>poverty and wealth?
wikipedia supplys all-
G-Ride
> In article <60aie1hm8ue8pndaa...@4ax.com>,
> insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
> >
> > not so sure of this retort either...
> >
> > handing out morals books supposes that once you become middle class,
> > your moral change.
> >
> > another pov is that all those with similar morals will eventually
> > reach the middle class, save a few failures.
> >
> > but the actual question, as i see it, is "Does the middle class
> > possess a certain moral structure, and can we study it?"
> >
> > id say, yes it does, and yes we can.
>
>
> but how do you define middle class? isn't it just everyone between
> poverty and wealth?
That would seem to be the most logical way to look at it.
However, I think the range of people that self-identify as "middle class" is
far larger than the actual middle of the economic/social structure.
Judy
> In article <%Y_Fe.13661$Eo3.2335@trnddc08>, "Judy" <jec...@gte.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Like I said, You rock.
>> Judy
>>
>>
>
> thanks judy. you too, you know, i'm glad you're still around. how's the
> grandkids eddycatin going?.
> --
My granddaughter is learning violin and martial arts on the side, and still
riding her horse. She made a ton of friends from ballet class and martial
arts class, so the social life part is on track. We go to didjeridu camp
next weekend.
She is starting to read and I am not really pushing it. She thinks every
subject is great fun and as long as no one tells her differently, I don't
expect to have to push any learning on her.
We have a new exchange student coming tomorrow from Japan.
Tonight we are in a parade. I just heard that the newspaper is covering it
and we are getting photographed. I am just a little nervous about playing
in front of a camera. I make funny faces when I play didj; funny enough to
make other players start laughing.
I come in from gardening and check the newsgroup, to cool down, almost
everyday. As I get older, I feel less and less inclined to give opinions or
advise without being asked first. I enjoy reading your posts and I notice
that you are getting better at writing and your ideas are clearer and well
thought out.
Grandkids are yelling. I have to go.
Judy
Hothead Paisan
insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
well, that muddies it. i am in the very lowest range of economic middle
class, in that we broke 20 grand this year, but nowhere near it by any
of the other defining factors.
Hothead Paisan
"G-Ride" <gride4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> That would seem to be the most logical way to look at it.
>
> However, I think the range of people that self-identify as "middle class" is
> far larger than the actual middle of the economic/social structure.
and then there are people who, income wise, may be middle class, but in
lifestyle and self identity, are not. like me, apparently, according to
wiki.
I just can't see how finally making enough money to support our family
means that morally, i'm on the same footing as christians.
Judy
> In article <0idie1hleetj9mrp7...@4ax.com>,
> insaner <10001...@binary.us> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:30:12 -0500, Hothead Paisan
>> <non...@bidness.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >but how do you define middle class? isn't it just everyone between
>> >poverty and wealth?
>>
>>
>> wikipedia supplys all-
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class
>
> well, that muddies it. i am in the very lowest range of economic middle
> class, in that we broke 20 grand this year, but nowhere near it by any
> of the other defining factors.
> --
Judy