Is anyone else annoyed at Liv Tyler (nee Rundgren)
Chris Williams
I, for one, am getting quite tired of reading about Liv "Tyler"
and her "famous rock star father Steve Tyler of Areosmith".
The truth is, Bebe Buell had an affair (closer to a one night stand)
with Steve Tyler. She came back to Todd pregnant with Liv. Todd
helped raise her as his own. When Liv was 12, Todd took her to
an Aerosmith concert, and supposedly that was when she figured
out that Tyler was her "actual" father.
Tyler's involvment in Liv's life up to that point can best
be described as "sperm doner".
As a proud uncle of an adopted niece and nephew, I'm firmly of the
opinion that the parent raising a child is *far* more important than
the genetics. But in her nasty choice of the more famous Tyler
there is little doubt that Liv is her mother's daughter.
--
Chris Williams of
Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago
chr...@miso.wwa.com (his)
vic...@miso.wwa.com (hers)
Julia Anne Tawyea'
Hi! I completely agree with you.Another discusting thing is that
Liv had the cover story for "Seventeen"magazine (June 1996).In
the article,the first paragraph is (and I quote):
" When Liv Tyler was 5,she wanted to be a firefighter-that
was her idea of excitement.As if her life weren't exciting
enough.After all,she practically grew up in trendy New York
City clubs and backstage at concerts with her rocker dad,
Arosmith's Steven Tyler,and her model-turned-musician mom-
Bebe Buell."
*Liv's first sight of Steven Tyler was at the age of 14,
and did not find out the truth until she was 17 [that was
right out of Bebe's mouth when a friend of mine (who was
her photographer from 1987-1993) asked her about the situation.]
CHANT! Julia Anne Tawyea'
Julia Anne Tawyea'
Chris Williams wrote:
>
> I, for one, am getting quite tired of reading about Liv "Tyler"
> and her "famous rock star father Steve Tyler of Areosmith".
>
> The truth is, Bebe Buell had an affair (closer to a one night stand)
> with Steve Tyler. She came back to Todd pregnant with Liv. Todd
> helped raise her as his own. When Liv was 12, Todd took her to
> an Aerosmith concert, and supposedly that was when she figured
> out that Tyler was her "actual" father.
>
> Tyler's involvment in Liv's life up to that point can best
> be described as "sperm doner".
>
> As a proud uncle of an adopted niece and nephew, I'm firmly of the
> opinion that the parent raising a child is *far* more important than
> the genetics. But in her nasty choice of the more famous Tyler
> there is little doubt that Liv is her mother's daughter.
>
> --
> Chris Williams of
> Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago
> chr...@miso.wwa.com (his)
Alissa Mower Clough
Thanks for clearing up the Liv controversy. I never knew exactly how that
worked out, since the Todd mailing list wasn't about to tell me. I always
figured it was the other way around...BB tired out from being lady to
Steve, Todd (being A Sensitive Type, as well as having hands of a brain
surgeon, the mouth of a sax player, and um, a Perfect 10) took her under
his wing, and nine months later...Todd shows up with a bassinet, ready to
be Honorable....
So, who has real Family Values?
Teleny, friend of cats.
do...@ismi.net
yes, but with two qualifications 1. I did see a letter from Bebe Buell to
one of the national musics mags (shortly after they did a Liv article),
explaining very clearly how Todd raised Liv etc. And I also saw an
unedited tape of an interview with Liv where she went to great lengths to
mentioin Todd. . .the edited version that aired had all Todd mentions
deleted. Face it, "Steven Tyler's daughter" is going to carry more
weight in the press than Todd Rundgren's (who?) daughter.
Ahh, but ye faithful TR fans know da truth.
Curtis Edwards
give her a break. what a confusing childhood. not much of a mother.
Chris Williams
KBL...@prodigy.com (Curtis Edwards) writes:
>give her a break. what a confusing childhood. not much of a mother.
Not at all. The point is, Liv grew up with a set of parents, Todd and
Bebe. Todd has gone out of his way to ensure that all his children
had two parents. The "compound" of houses he had in Marin county was
one house for Michelle and himself, and another for Karen and his
children from that relationship. Given his track record, I'd say that
Todd went far beyond the call of duty in trying to ensure that Liv
had two parents. It wasn't until she found out about Tyler (and the
more marketable name) that the rift between Todd and Bebe deepened.
MORTENSEN, ROBERT
KBL...@prodigy.com (Curtis Edwards) wrote:
>give her a break. what a confusing childhood. not much of a mother.
Oh yeah, poor Liv.
Speaking of which, "I just wanna tell ya yer a lousy dad to hell with
ya". I hear Coyote Shivers' eponymous debut is crap off the blocks.
Lisa Osta
The circumstances surrounding Liv are still quite mysterious, she is really rather sweet and
innocent, on the other hand her mother Bebe really brought this whole mess up. Quit sniveling about
it. Regardless of these odd circumstances, I know Todd is still quite proud of Liv.
Lisa Osta
li...@ostavizn.com
http://www.ostavizn.com
Chris Williams
os...@best.com (Lisa Osta) writes:
>The circumstances surrounding Liv are still quite mysterious, she is
>really rather sweet and innocent, on the other hand her mother Bebe
>really brought this whole mess up. Quit sniveling about it. Regardless
>of these odd circumstances, I know Todd is still quite proud of Liv.
Sniviling? No, it's just that *every* time Liv Tyler is mentioned,
Steve "Sperm Doner" Tyler is mentioned, where Todd *could* be mentioned.
Steve Tyler doen't need the publicity, where Todd does. Just from
a journalistic standpoint, explaining the whole Tyler/Rundgren thing
is more interesting than just, yet again, mentioned "Rock Star father
Stephen Tyler of Areosmith" (aside from the obvious fact that Aerosmith's
artistic progression cannot be measured with the most sensitive
equipment, while Todd has continually reinvented himself.)
>Lisa Osta
>li...@ostavizn.com
>http://www.ostavizn.com
--
Chris Brown
In article <53d9sn$9...@miso.wwa.com>, chr...@sashimi.wwa.com (Chris
Williams) wrote:
> Sniviling? No, it's just that *every* time Liv Tyler is mentioned,
> Steve "Sperm Doner" Tyler is mentioned, where Todd *could* be mentioned.
> Steve Tyler doen't need the publicity, where Todd does.
I share the sentiment but I wonder if, perhaps, a more accurate statement
would be "Todd's fans (i.e. us) would rather see him get the publicity
than some deadbeat dad musician of questionable talent, even if the
deadbeat dad is the lead singer of an extremely popular group."
The issue of Todd's relative fame, or lack of it, has been a frequent
topic of discussion among his fans. I hear songs off of every project that
I think should be smash hits, but never are. We've all heard "Todd who?"
so often we're likely to scream if we hear it again. I think what those of
us who sometimes would like Todd's music to be more popular have to
remember is that, to a large extent, how popular his music is depends
largely on him. I don't know him and would never presume to speak for him
but I have to think that he prefers things as they are. S/A was a
commercial success. As I understand it, it still sells amazingly well for
an album thats over 20 years old. What was his response -- AWATS, an
amazing album in a lot of ways but certainly not put together with radio
airplay in mind. HOMH probably sold fairly well as it contained "Can We
Still Be Friends". It was followed by Healing. TEPTAE contained "Bang the
Drum". It was followed up by A Cappella. That pattern of following up
"radio friendly" with more personal, even experiemental projects probably
drove the record company executives to drink. It's very difficult to
market what you can't package.
I think I saw someone else here state that they admired Todd's ability to
reinvent himself with every album. I guess I look at it a little bit
differently. I look at each album as part of an on-going experiment in
finding new musical styles and techniques for the presentation of ideas
that really haven't changed that much over the years. At the core of those
ideas is the message: Care about other people and the world around you but
find, choose, and walk your own road; regardless of what others know (or
don't know), think (or don't think), or feel (or don't feel) about who you
are and what you do.
Chris Brown
clb...@mail.idt.net
Lisa Osta
Well thought out!
I agree with you. I think Todd is his own worse enemy (as far as the music business goes).
I wish he would let someone else produce him. Now that would be different! Or collaborate with some
youngblood. I'm not holding my breath though.
-snip-
>Chris Brown
>clb...@mail.idt.net
Lisa Osta
li...@ostavizn.com
http://www.ostavizn.com
Julia Anne Tawyea'
Curtis Edwards wrote:
>
> give her a break. what a confusing childhood. not much of a mother. *********************************************************
That is true. Out of the mouth of Ruth Rundgren: With BeBe and
Karen,Todd was the one who woke up for the 3am feedings,not
them.Michele is the only woman that truely cares for and wants
to be a mother to his children.Go!Michele!!!!!
Julia Anne Tawyea'
HKWIII
"...the news team would never report it....."
-O.H.
"It's amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the
credit."
-Harry Truman
Frank Lynch
Lisa Osta wrote:
>
> Well thought out!
> I agree with you. I think Todd is his own worse enemy (as far as the music business goes).
I also thought Chris' points were well-expressed. And I presume that
when you refer to TR as 'his own worst enemy' there's a bit of tongue in
cheek there: IMO, Todd knows -just- what he's doing, and it's with
volition, and he doesn't consider it detrimental by his yardstick.
Here's a thought: imagine the label execs talking to Charles Ives in a
meeting. "Look, Chuck, we LOVED it when you threw 'Turkey In The Straw'
in in your symphony. That was really great. Now, how about an entire
set of symphonic variations on Yankee Doodle? We could even get you beer
commercials, then!"
Frank
Dean Zivie
Julia Anne Tawyea' <taw...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>Chris Williams wrote:
>>
>> I, for one, am getting quite tired of reading about Liv "Tyler"
>> and her "famous rock star father Steve Tyler of Areosmith".
>>
>> The truth is, Bebe Buell had an affair (closer to a one night stand)
>> with Steve Tyler. She came back to Todd pregnant with Liv. Todd
>> helped raise her as his own. When Liv was 12, Todd took her to
>> an Aerosmith concert, and supposedly that was when she figured
>> out that Tyler was her "actual" father.
Liv has said that it was Bebe who took her to an Aerosmith show and
she knew Tyler when she was nine. She has also said that she doesn't
like her father's stage antics.
>>
>> Tyler's involvment in Liv's life up to that point can best
>> be described as "sperm doner".
>>
>> As a proud uncle of an adopted niece and nephew, I'm firmly of the
>> opinion that the parent raising a child is *far* more important than
>> the genetics. But in her nasty choice of the more famous Tyler
>> there is little doubt that Liv is her mother's daughter.
>>
>> --
>> Chris Williams of
>> Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago
>> chr...@miso.wwa.com (his)
Dean Zivie
I wrote:
>>Chris Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> I, for one, am getting quite tired of reading about Liv "Tyler"
>>> and her "famous rock star father Steve Tyler of Areosmith".
>>> The truth is, Bebe Buell had an affair (closer to a one night stand)
>>> with Steve Tyler. She came back to Todd pregnant with Liv. Todd
>>> helped raise her as his own. When Liv was 12, Todd took her to
>>> an Aerosmith concert, and supposedly that was when she figured
>>> out that Tyler was her "actual" father.
>Liv has said that it was Bebe who took her to an Aerosmith show and
>she knew Tyler when she was nine. She has also said that she doesn't
>like her father's stage antics.
>>>
>>> Tyler's involvment in Liv's life up to that point can best
>>> be described as "sperm doner".
False.
>>> As a proud uncle of an adopted niece and nephew, I'm firmly of the
>>> opinion that the parent raising a child is *far* more important than
>>> the genetics. But in her nasty choice of the more famous Tyler
>>> there is little doubt that Liv is her mother's daughter.
Your robe is open Unc. Thanks for the information, he said,
correcting himself.
www.papermag.com/magazine/tyler/
Tyler recalls an idyllic childhood of "cookouts, inner-tubing and
swimming in the lake" in
Maine, where she lived in "a big, beautiful house" with her mother,
former model and
notorious backstage diva Bebe Buell, and numerous maternal relatives.
She was raised
believing that rocker Todd Rundgren was her father, although she says
she didn't live
with him or see him everyday. I ask about the first time she remembers
meeting her real
dad. "I fell completely head over heels in love with him," she says, a
smile stretching
across her face. "I met him when I was around nine. We spent the whole
night together
singing and playing. When I left, we were both so sad and we hugged
and hugged. I
went home and put his poster on my wall. He started sending me Easter
and Christmas
presents. I had these big red lips he gave me and all these stuffed
animals that I slept
with. They were so sacred to me." Had Liv figured out yet that this
generous and
affectionate family "friend" was in fact her father? "Not then. I just
loved him so much
and I didn't know why."
When Tyler was 11, she accompanied her mother to see Aerosmith in
concert. "Guns
N' Roses was on, and there was this girl standing to the left of the
stage who looked
exactly like me, except she was a little chubbier, a little shorter
and a little younger. We
both had on spandex, T-shirts and sneakers, with really long, permed
hair. I looked at
her and then I looked over at my mom. She had tears in her eyes. We
went off to a
bench in the woods and she told me everything." Tyler pulls a nubbie
off her red
cardigan and releases a humming sigh. "That was quite a night for
everybody - my
mother, my father, my father's wife."