Patricia Kennealy (Morrison)
Space Dog
On 22 May 1996, jen2 wrote:
> I encourage everyone who considers themself to be a true Jim
> Morrison fan to find and read this book.
Very sad how Pam, who often called
> herself Jim's wife, would let him die in a bathtub while knowingly she
> slept off her own smack attack. She had been known by many to be a
> junkie and after Morrison's death, she turned to prostitution, after
> almost driving her parents to bankruptcy. I guess she never heard of
> real "work" that she had to turn to selling her body to keep up her habit.
My initial reaction was to ignore this post but after the one before this
too, I have to respond.
First off, I don't want to put down or discount Patricia Keanaly as a
source regarding Jim or the Doors, but I personally feel she has ridden
her relationship with Jim Morrison into the ground and then some. Yes,
she and Morrison did recite Wiccan Marriage Vows, but those aren't legal
number one, and number two, Morrison not only didn't abide by them, he
told hardly anyone about it and he went back to Courson, time and time
again. As for you statement about Courson's "part" in Morrison's death,
that is not only fair, considering she is dead and cannot defend herself,
but you're hinting blame on a person who was nearly as messed up as
Morrison. She did die of a heroin overdose herself about 3 years later.
For anyone that blames her for Morrison's death, realize there were plenty
of other people in his life that never did a thing either. Also realize,
it was his life and he did as he pleased.
As for your statement about true fans or whatever, some of us like to
listen to the music, collect the memorabilia and just hold a special place
in our heart for the guy who's music and poetry has touched our hearts. I
like to read info on the band but consider the stuff about Morrison to be
quite boring and trivial these days. The guy is dead and deserves some
peace (not because he's Morrison but because he's a person like the rest
of us.)
True Doors fans respect the band as a whole and not just because of
Morrison. Without them, Morrison would have been nothing. We wouldn't
even know his name. I say this not to be mean, but am sick of people with
this attitude that he made the Doors. His body and good looks made the
band popular but the music has made them last. Morrison only contributed
his quarter share with that part. Yes, he wrote many of the lyrics, but
his knowledge of music was limited. Even he wanted to escape people's
image of him as an object. He was a poet and most band lyricists are.
Undoubtedly, they always get most of the credit because that's usually
what most people care about.
If you are solely a Jim Morrison fan, than that is fine, but understand
this is called the Doors newsgroup and not alt.fan.obsessive.JimMorrison.
To some up, how is Pamela Courson's actions after Jim's death supposed to
prove that Keanly was somehow better? Stone's movie had lots of
inaccuracies in it but I never saw her as being portrayed as a saint. And
the
character in the movie was a composite of many other women as
well as Patricia. But then, anyone who believes the movie was accurate...
well... whatever. If Keanly was the one pointing out these things (I've
never and will never read her book) then that only proves one thing to
me... she's living in the past and is bitter because to take shots at a
dead woman is just mean. Don't try and come back with the whole she was
defending herself... etc... etc... because I've never seen her portrayed
in any of the books I've read as needing to defend herself. I'll respect
her book as a way to counteract all the other books about Morrison that
just further the myth about him more but to that extent only.
Tara
jen2
I've been a fan of Jim Morrison and The Doors for about 5 years
now. Though I was born 5 years after his death, his music and poetry have
inspired me countless times. (Don't misunderstand me...Krieger,
Densmore and Manczerak(forgive my spelling I have none of my books or
albums with me) all were a major part of The Doors, each giving their
best, but in the end it is the lyrics that I've fallen in love with
(most of them being written by Morrison).
For the first few years I was an obsessive fan...I collected
all of the albums and cassettes and CD's. I searched every bookstore
and library I came across for information on anything having to do with
either Morrison or The Doors. All of the books and articles I found
seemed very superficial. They didn't tell me anything about the man I
wanted so much to know.
Two years ago, by some stroke of luck, I found a book called
"Strange Days: My Life With And Without Jim Morrison". This book is
amazing. It has let me into the private life of Morrison and his wife
(yes, wife! he never legally married her or anyone else, but she is the
only one he has ever shared any kind of marriage vows or any kind of
wedding ceremony). Like many people I had believed everything that I had
ever read about Morrison and his escapades. Though some were true, the
author has discredited many and reasoned the others truthfully. I
honestly believe that this is the most accurate and truthful book ever
written about Morrison. How can it not be? Not only was it written by
someone who actually knew him, that person was also his wife. Most of
the other books and articles written are by people who have never even
met Morrison, who have just regurgitated the same old stories and
"spiced them up a bit".
the worldof Jim Morrison and his music. She mentions in her book her
role in the making of the biographical movie "The Doors" (Oliver Stone)
and also why Pamela was portrayed as a saint in the movie. Also she
discusses Pam's role in Jim's death. Very sad how Pam, who often called
slept off her own smack attack. She had been known by many to be a
junkie and after Morrison's death, she turned to prostitution, after
almost driving her parents to bankruptcy. I guess she never heard of
real "work" that she had to turn to selling her body to keep up her habit.
also if anyone has ever read this book I would be interested in hearing
your comments.
Book--> "Strange Days: My Life With and Without Jim Morrison"
Author--> Patricia Kennealy
Publisher--> Penguin Books
Copyright Date--> 1992
A midsummer day's night's dream
her long hair chains his hands
his length upon her
did the earth move?
no the galaxy shifted
Are they possessors
or just possess'd?
Vilma Thompson
jen,
i thought it was also a great book and that she does seem to tell
the truth.she probably wrote the book so people want see jim just for the
wrong things that he has done but also for his gentle,romantic side.and
just becouse the law didn't marry them doesn't mean that the ceremony
that was performed wasn't enough to say that they aren't really married.
Lo-T aka Jim Morrison
>
>
> On 22 May 1996, jen2 wrote:
>
> True Doors fans respect the band as a whole and not just because of
> Morrison. Without them, Morrison would have been nothing. We wouldn't
> even know his name. I say this not to be mean, but am sick of people with
> this attitude that he made the Doors. His body and good looks made the
>
> Tara
Damn straight.. I dont want to discredit Jim.. but it wasn't "Jim Morrison
and The Doors" or "The jim Morrison Band". You have to respect the entire
groups ability to improvise on stage as they went and play together..
Brian
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Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik
Lo-T aka Jim Morrison <loti...@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
> Damn straight.. I dont want to discredit Jim.. but it wasn't "Jim Morrison
> and The Doors" or "The jim Morrison Band". You have to respect the entire
> groups ability to improvise on stage as they went and play together..
And Jim would have been the first person to say that... and in fact did.
Which concert was it when he sent the announcer back out to "introduce us
right" after the guy had said "Jim Morrison and the Doors"?
And you thought I was gonna post something about PKM... :)
--
Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik
sus...@mail.utexas.edu
(between .sigs)
James Fox-Davis
Space Dog wrote:
>
> On 22 May 1996, jen2 wrote:
>
>
> My initial reaction was to ignore this post but after the one before this
> too, I have to respond.
> First off, I don't want to put down or discount Patricia Keanaly
Would you mind, please, learning to spell?
as a
> source regarding Jim or the Doors, but I personally feel she has ridden
> her relationship with Jim Morrison into the ground
Indeed? Then why did she for years have a career as an advertising
writer (Clio-nominated, thank you), author and editor before EVER adding
Jim's last name to hers?
and then some. Yes,
> she and Morrison did recite Wiccan Marriage Vows, but those aren't legal
There _are_ higher authorities. If Jim, as you suggest, did not take
them seriously, he's in bigger trouble than he ever was while alive.
> number one, and number two, Morrison not only didn't abide by them, he
> told hardly anyone about it and he went back to Courson, time and time
> again.
... and shortly before his death wrote a letter to Patricia indicating
his disgust and conclusion of the relationship with Pamela, and his
intention to come back to New York to be with Patricia. This will all be
coming out in a book titled "Fireheart" to be released possibly as early
as 2003, when Patricia is able to publish Jim's personal letters to her
without getting sued by the Morrison or Courson estates.
> As for you statement about Courson's "part" in Morrison's death,
> that is not only fair, considering she is dead and cannot defend herself,
So is Jim.
> but you're hinting blame on a person who was nearly as messed up as
> Morrison. She did die of a heroin overdose herself about 3 years later.
> For anyone that blames her for Morrison's death, realize there were plenty
> of other people in his life that never did a thing either. Also realize,
> it was his life and he did as he pleased.
> As for your statement about true fans or whatever, some of us like to
> listen to the music, collect the memorabilia and just hold a special place
> in our heart for the guy who's music and poetry has touched our hearts. I
> like to read info on the band but consider the stuff about Morrison to be
> quite boring and trivial these days. The guy is dead and deserves some
> peace (not because he's Morrison but because he's a person like the rest
> of us.)
> True Doors fans
. . . allow others to have their own beliefs without categorizing who
may or may not be "True" Doors fans.
respect the band as a whole and not just because of
> Morrison. Without them, Morrison would have been nothing. We wouldn't
> even know his name. I say this not to be mean, but am sick of people with
> this attitude that he made the Doors. His body and good looks made the
> band popular but the music has made them last. Morrison only contributed
> his quarter share with that part. Yes, he wrote many of the lyrics, but
> his knowledge of music was limited.
As he himself admitted.
> Even he wanted to escape people's
> image of him as an object. He was a poet and most band lyricists are.
> Undoubtedly, they always get most of the credit because that's usually
> what most people care about.
> If you are solely a Jim Morrison fan, than that is fine, but understand
> this is called the Doors newsgroup and not alt.fan.obsessive.JimMorrison.
Maybe not, but how long did the group survive after Jim's death. He
remains the soul and center of the group, even to this day.
> To some up, how is Pamela Courson's actions after Jim's death supposed to
> prove that Keanly
Still haven't learned to spell, eh?
was somehow better? Stone's movie had lots of
> inaccuracies in it but I never saw her as being portrayed as a saint. And
> the
> character in the movie was a composite of many other women as
> well as Patricia.
As Patricia knew it would be in early conversations with Oliver Stone.
But then, anyone who believes the movie was accurate...
> well... whatever. If Keanly
Ahem; that's KENNEALY.
> was the one pointing out these things (I've
> never and will never read her book)
Then how dare you position yourself to comment on something you refuse to
read? You are posturing and commenting based on an ignorance rivaling
that of Stone, talking about Jim's "motivations".
> then that only proves one thing to
> me... she's living in the past
I don't think so. She's a successful science fiction author in her own
right, and only began using Jim's names on her books at the insistence of
her publisher.
> and is bitter because to take shots at a
> dead woman is just mean. Don't try and come back with the whole she was
> defending herself... etc... etc... because I've never seen her portrayed
> in any of the books I've read as needing to defend herself.
With attacks on her like yours, you don't think she needs to defend
herself?
> I'll respect her book as a way to counteract all the other books about > Morrison that
> just further the myth about him
...perhaps to further the truth?
> more but to that extent only.
>
> Tara
Tara, it is obvious from your impassioned statements that you are indeed
a good and loyal fan of the Doors, but would you not be perhaps truer to
their legacy if you were a bit more open?
Jim Fox-Davis
James Fox-Davis
Vilma Thompson wrote:
>
[snip]
> just becouse the law didn't marry them doesn't mean that the ceremony
> that was performed wasn't enough to say that they aren't really married.
Thank you, Vilma. Well put. There was religious commitment and marital
celebration before there were laws to codify how it ought to be done.
Jim Fox-Davis
Bruce Margetson
I'm not saying anybody in particular is to blame for Jim's death (except
for Jim maybe), but why do you consider it such a crime to criticize
Pamela just because she's dead and not here to defend herself? Is there
some law saying dead people shouldn't be criticized? What about
Hitler? He's dead. Should we not criticize him because he's not here to
defend himself? I don't think so. Although Pamela wasn't at all
responsible for Jim's death, no one could call her a saint, transcending
all criticism.
Also, I see nothing wrong with people idolizing Jim Morrison. I used to
when I was younger, and there's no doubt that he was an incredibly unique,
interesting individual. Could a biography about the life of John Densmore
or any other band member be anywhere near as interesting as 'No One Here
Gets Out Alive' for example?
You seem so set in your opinions about how other's should view the Doors.
You see them your way and I see them mine.
Janet
>
> My initial reaction was to ignore this post but after the one before this
> True Doors fans respect the band as a whole and not just because of
> Morrison. Without them, Morrison would have been nothing. We wouldn't
> even know his name. I say this not to be mean, but am sick of people with
> this attitude that he made the Doors.
I disagree with just about everything you said, but especially your
comments on Patricia. Howver, I want to address one other point. Jim
Morrison would not have been "nothing" without the other band members.
He had talent and ambition and would surely have risen to prominence
without them - perhaps as a poet or novelist, perhaps with another
group as a singer. That kind of talent rarely goes unnoticed.
HALL. BENJAMIN JAMES
I HAVE'N
HALL. BENJAMIN JAMES
TARA,I'M ONLY 20 YRS OLD AND WAS BROUGHT UP WITH DOORS,AND LIKE YOU I AM
GETTING A BIT SICK OF ALL OF THE TRIVIAL INFORMATION CONCERNING JIM MORRISON.
SURE HE IS A ROCK LEGEND,BUT HE'S DEAD KNOW AND HIS TIME OF PEACE IS WELL
OVERDUE.THIS IS THE SAME WITH PAM.
I HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK WRITTEN BY PATRICIA AND DON'T REALLY PLAN TO ,FROM THE
SOUNDS OF IT IT'S TRIVIAL.THAT WOMAN HAS BEEN NO DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE
OTHER GROUPIES IN JIMS LIFE AND HER WRITTING THIS BOOK IS TESTIMENT TO THIS.
SHE'S CASHING IN,AND BY HAVING A GO AT PAMELA IS ALL FROM SOUR GRAPES.JIM
LOVED PAM AND VISA VERSA ,AND PAM WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN HIS
LIFE.
JUST STICKING UP FOR PAM!!!
BEN HALL
WESTERN AUSTRALIA